Abigail Jones and Marissa Miley

" When I got right now is to present very intelligent hard working and base Abigail Jones admiration Miami court in the studio. Thank you for the war who witnessed phenomenal book. In this you are -- your aren't you guys would you -- it's gonna happen any and is being -- actually -- it -- the restless virgins. Then that was descriptive title of their book. It's called love sex and so violently -- prep school. This thing these this going to be this is going to be a huge best seller. They -- they come here which British -- today's show the Google and fox this is a big deal it's very well written -- Who provocative. So we cut off Marisa who -- because we do an introduction. And -- study that's out again but you're talking about your book -- how you got to write this is our surrounds. Outlook 2005 school you guys went to a great school -- again. And then it went in very during a dummies that school for -- that thing up five hockey players album had sex with with 50 year old girl in the state of Massachusetts. At 15 years old which which -- match -- While and they didn't have sexual intercourse what happened with the -- now student on oral sex on it except that's under that she's 15. She could she get into -- I think that's an accident is faster he has such that you electric players to have so -- little hockey team to Babylon 5 varsity hockey players gone just like -- it's an advertisement that's okay it's -- except except -- in history OK and you guys decided together did you both work -- for the great magazines so people -- for the great well -- magazines. -- which you work for it. Yes -- you went where did you go to commerce afternoon to. And and see you pan -- he did you did and you young woman. Abigail violent to Darman -- you didn't. And have to Dartmouth UN it university Adam pressed against these are very smart this is embarrassing. And Hewitt after each go to register I did not get -- you tell me what they'll -- Why did you write the book it --"

" Well you know Apple when you win the re read about the scandal -- moment we were absolutely shocked we looked at each other and said. Do you remember this kind of thing going on we -- in high school. At that time we weren't even a decade out of militant and it and the behavior seemed so extreme tasks we didn't remember anything -- tests and we set ourselves how much has changed in less than ten years what is it like. To be a girl and a -- school today and so that's scandal was the impetus for our buck and it set us off on our way."

" Amman with Abigail Jones a -- with his great book an action just read restless for just love sex and survival and we went to school. They just start the book to a favorite kind of come on here Friday afternoon. Gives call 18774694 street Jude -- with selling books this thing's -- linked to how we cart dot com. Which is great. Hop -- so you guys Atlantic at the time but again great magazine -- writers for the Atlantic at a time right"

" I was in turning Internet and we don't I was staff editor staff editor and you look at each other instead book deal. Well we were we're real experience and we were not thinking book -- at the time we were just really. Shocked and and curious about what was going on in school how did you go from shock -- curious to book. We started reaching out recent graduates then we started asking what their experiences like. What sort of social pressures they found out what their sexual experiences and."

" And in time you know leave let me meant more and more students from Nelson and and it just over -- became clear we wanted to follow a group of students to the 20042005 school year which is when the scandal took place -- But we want we wanted our book to be about. More than the scandal -- wanted to it's the about social life and sexuality and scenes today me is he not only did we not only want to -- what to be -- what was happening but why."

" Yeah you guys she's -- darkened teenage about -- sex and socialize watched them ports that. Typical -- don't question but what's the most surprising thing Melissa that you should and its it was Boris iPod Marisa. Chris humorous and some rooms but different which -- most in which the most surprising thing receive them writing this book about sex."

" What of them are surprising things we found was. He performance nature of absurd sexual behavior something that it just seemed to change since we were in high school all that this this group that since -- Natwest where. What we called turn of the generation exhibitionist which is that they are performing. Sexual acts from the public arena and not all students but that some students are not seem checking me different."

" And you know what when he read the buck -- you have to listeners perhaps they well they will have to shell and I promise you it. When you read it you'll meet Aaron to senior guys who planned hockey to -- just guerrilla who were not involved in this in in the scandal that they were on the team and aren't you aren't they go to parties act at a one girl's house and it to the basement parties and some young. Youngest girls come to these parties and what we found was that you know -- did they hook up in in a very casual manner a Grumman title go into the background and and hook up. And the other guys the crawl along the floor in the hallway and go watch the I'll talk about spying is this idea that these guys want to get a story. To --"

" What about what happened reception do. The fear of gates and and disease that which 15 years ten years ago was shocking everybody Edward bodyguard. And this is Milton academy this -- finest prep schools in the country. Do you nailed down where this is coming from or -- and look at this. Sexuality it's happening with these young -- you figure out why -- at all. Yes me."

" We wanted to -- not only what was happening but why it was happening where the motivations behind. At girls and guys engaging in this and it section cavaliers one way to describe it as heavily air some of that and you know. What are some of the reasons why it's in really complicated question for both girls get a guy."

" Republican -- what I eat out art -- for both girls and guys you know there's they're they're teenagers they're trying to figure it out -- sexual yet there. Many of them looking for them get a we got men what are. A many are looking for validation or they're lacking a guy they're both lacking in self confidence. These take take take one of the young girls are -- her name is Annie yeah. And you know she goes back to the same guy year after year who doesn't call -- like current -- treat her well if she goes back to him time after time. And you know she's looking for something there personalities and and then you have some of these guys -- Are looking for the story. And and and it's all about keeping up checking off something on your list. You know I've I've had oral sex act performed it and and for many of them this idea oh my god. I cannot imagine going to college virgin."

" I have to talk to rest on their authors and very tells doctors -- restless virtues of sections viable blueprint school Abigail children recently. Who have taken a very tough subject. Com -- don't get started with the -- in the Atlantic monthly which is infinitely tough -- get a job. -- his cell phone going off the okay we do -- from getting him regular grass for -- end and decided to expand. The lessons learned that they found in looking at high schools. Quite an end on an all about it's it's just sex or the or the high gear of sex or in where the hell is this comes. Is coming from home it's kind of school."

" Well certainly means that that. Timing during much these students came debates is certainly that heightens. Our culture is much more highly sexual lives than it was we weren't high school and sex is on around us. On TV it on the Internet and it's it's going on everywhere in a sex scene between 19982005 doubles. On television and is that the -- is this cable television is that part of that you think. I know yeah I mean a lot of the students that we interviewed watch sex in the city. All the time and and that was a part of there they're their common language and what they talked about 1010 and what we found out was that. We in my insistence that we need -- with an interview it. We interviewed 28 students in the class of 181 at that profiling seven of -- can't -- that. Students didn't -- their parents about. Their behavior that parents where the -- it would be students had come of age when special education at school he mentioned you know aids and as CD's they're very. Knowledgeable and well. -- well first in sort of earth can trolley condoms and protection but what they found with 8000 that they conveyed to us that they. Did not talk about the emotional repercussions emotional consequences of their sexual activity he."

" You guys are contending in the book it's was different when you -- to -- and then what happened in this 2000 not the that the rape issue but but that women. Mostly women -- you talk -- it didn't act the way we Hewitt school or it was your crowd but it gives us a different crowd."

" Right and this certainly is not about this is not what every teenagers doing good it's important to remember that and and Madeleine -- follows. Seven students at one school it's a window into teenage Aaron by what we're saying is that the pressure. The president has schools today are no different than they were let me -- them when you weren't school. There's still the pressure you know social pressures validation I'll that's still there today it's the culture and -- teenagers so sized insect -- and south. That has changed dramatically. And ECD extreme behavior in in the sex scandal mountain. That was totally need to last use in with the students that we interviewed there's. Three sons girls kissing girls in front of guys to get attention that the spying that goes on in the basement part of this you know this did it this is -- talking."

" The UN take your calls the vehicles. These are actually nervous now our regular book about section where are ready I used. Are you sure aren't you think you know hopefully I'll -- and okay rich you're only date font family car we think Richard on the -- lady and women who wrote the great book what do you think"

" and it sounds beautiful and intelligent."

" He's debris but he's he's TVY -- that -- and they Watford Atlantic where I promise you this Mark. -- we think."

" I my my well. I I see what their point is what my that's been going on for generations and generations now what I went back I'd school. It was like in the late late 80s early 80s and there was a same type of pressure that mean we never had our parents we never talk to them as a little different now yeah there -- a lot more on the Internet."

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" Now because all of the teenager onetime real and believe me they'll have a lot more I mean think about. We had had stopped like porky the movie I mean back that in -- boy you mean they like to brag about that but that's something that's never changed. Especially teenage."

" Letting the different eliminates much that I think there is a difference that's what they wrote the book when he would you guys. I mean we were not high -- 80s that oh certainly there was a market different and we -- high school. And -- France one that this aspect of performing sexual acts in front audience that I gotta tell you -- I don't -- that would. Did you -- which some of the guys that we interviewed talk about sexuality they say. That's the kind of girl like get a story out of how far can I press at block and I asked -- you and how can I have my two friends hiding in the room to watch. One of the anecdotes and a -- Talks about a -- and a guy who go to a -- have Sachs and in the backseat is another boy zipped up in a large that lesson. Could that -- just -- but could you guys are written his book Bruce. It's sad that of course -- sure. It would have been a different part of it and I think -- that they get into these did you get these interviews to do the talking to you because you're young women. Could you guys have got the same duties you think it would it it day. You know two guys our age they could've talked to these kids it would it. In a different book would have had a different you know eat it they -- perhaps connected with the kids in a different way. You know."

" Which should bring booked acts you've got this yeah this is very well done. Think how the hell did you get the guts to ask would you ask in his book and talk about something which the world with huge you know let let's just agree this is well done. Ain't that you didn't -- but all you perverts out there. This is not a picture book OK -- she's -- allowed to this is a book about culture. Sex in young kids -- a joke it's a distant clouds out there they can. -- that book this is a book about. Change what was facing today. What we -- defacing today this were Taylor's book for parents. I were attacked by a dot which I don't thank got. But if I had dar a -- in the book. And they I'm not your mind about how grapple I get the -- free net so what so I just thinking it. I think it's if it very very -- which would get this you know -- when the scandal first came out."

" The included not. Trying to answer these questions why's this happening what is motivating these kids. You know we had a feeling that that'd that'd down the line at that the book had caused some controversy carts about fact that the -- on top -- that. These issues were too important path. To -- to not -- it more -- more writing you aren't. We're lucky to have at CP -- and that's that we had two years to do on our research -- interview. All of our student had to write and edit and -- again all of our work. And you take more credit. C'mon he's absolutely nice that this is there -- labor of shared labor of love -- based on the -- label blog will be back in minute for engagement --"

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" Somebody finally discovered some rock and roll that there. -- they want to -- him. -- put to -- struggle Maine's history of the world how. 187746943221 -- 74 stitched on fourth street -- I got it at this is funny and what's the wanted to get to get to talk to very smart people. And Abigail Jones a Russian Riley who are around Milton academy graduates and then. And a smart people what you and they won't worked at Atlantic they wrote this. Very courageous very well written book called rest -- for just love sex -- viable and prep school. People there what Douglas techsters at angel attacked let's say it at that -- that you they're talking about -- right now. But the issues why this book is important to parents why you're listening audience. He probably cart dot com and get his book and learn something as you know what. We shock talk abouts we talked about it we covered look at that. And by the time the kid gets it get gets with an eighth grade -- know that she doesn't our society chicken is going to be terrible so. Is there unrestrained sexuality empowering or hurting young people and -- which when it's in your book."

" It is aggression threatened the congress and pushed it. I certainly different -- for girls and for our reply to you my hopes. You know one of the things that we learned when we -- meeting with our students and reading your book and writing -- As that. Many girls. That we Matt went wanted to treat sex and waited day you guys there typically do that is. Devoid of emotion opted to -- motion intimacy. And commitment. And that by doing that they feel that they are empowering them south shall we new book how do you justice. While an -- but we don't make any grandiose sort of statements about empowerment that we hope that by shelling. You know of the experiences young women and young -- that we can can bank."

" this story is you guys got won't -- is based on your reaction. -- a property that situation five Iraqi president academy. We're having sex with Mickey -- she was on second oral sex equal sections in the Bill Clinton we do it you asked the students we interviewed who appeared as I was different days -- the difference between sex that's what going to be president -- Is very different."

" According to that according to many of them yes in your head and you as the banks -- or here's your here's what you see in our book. In -- aspersions UC. Girls and guys many of them engaging in oral sex casually they're exchanging like I can't shapes can be for many of them. -- currency. Guys have grown to expect oral sex from girls in a random hook up and girls have come to expect the expectation. Is it. This is oral sex one way. Eight for for many of the hookups that we've learned about. It's a girl performing oral sex on a guy and in this situation you know many of these these -- one way street many it it's one way street and you know number one some of these girls don't even want reciprocate sent. Number two some of these guys don't want to reciprocate."

" Get a lot of attention -- a man in the studio and on and nothing in your book go. Did you did you get a chance in talking to these young men and women to say you two knots did you did you get a slap outlook. Did you go to weights we got choke not at all that could have not gotten. Me from the very beginning when we first -- on judgment began acclimate interview -- professional journalists that we you actually are you what you look you guys work. Dark and it too great authors Abigail Jones Emerson manual which book -- Russia's version people working -- Mark and it looked as though there's about a magazine in the world. I got the banister again while Harper's -- cartridge yes I get Atlantic's of enforcement. But you didn't judge."

" We did not and we thought that we were in a unique position as this we were 24 time we started issuing these students. And we rarely close enough to high school that we -- can relate to them but far enough away that we had perspective and and certainly we want to understand what had changed since their high school."

" What do you call it gives you usually talk about your book. Kevin you're on the date front Abigail Jones and Marisa -- great aren't as an RS zero"

" I believe it's gotten a lot worse like totally disagreed at the last caller is partly. Well javascript in -- grad -- in the district. Happening you know -- it's you know believe -- you know these you know performance out of an gonna group away you know. What happened in the classics you know and days or K problem and I kind of group. We inundated kids we expect you know sex education and squirrel but I think it's seven be an adverse effect. You know I think think think it's okay to do what they start learning about it. Yeah and that's the opposite of what it was supposed to be."

" Yes I sent feelers out these very bright authors about which which would they think -- they let us government and we ignore it. Well added as -- we talked about before that they're very familiar when it -- birth control at condoms and sex Ed classes but. What's not -- I've -- classes what's going on emotionally what the motivations for engaging in this would you just actually disagree Marisa with Kevin and in your book. You talk body eased and he didn't happen then it's happening now part of it -- insane is six education public is that suddenly found a new book. During your book not nice it's not --"

" Any you can't just blame it on sex education these kids have grown up since that date the data were born HIV aids as CDs it's all been out there you're -- education. -- you know eight and -- well you know it some of the students that we interviewed. Don't use condoms all the time. She many of them did but some don't and that that staggered and then that staggering that can't be. Unique to to dismantle I have teenagers the -- But and and where does that come from. We asked that question one of the boys in the book who does not always -- said he now that -- my classmates I know them I'm comfortable with them or. I I forgot its digital happened baseball -- Hockey stick to that yet and and what we found that. Many of our students didn't talk with their parents about what was going on play anything about anything about anything sexually are they did it was a bird and -- in the east talk wants all are about sex that classes."

" So where the kids learning about sexy and you book Morrison. Where where did you find kids went about -- sex."

" Well it in our address -- virgins we had one. You know in in sixth grade one of our girls had first experience her for sexual experiences of -- sex night. And one -- hat and and for herb -- sock. -- and the other had renowned cheek you know not. Neck knack and that was her first section."

" Failure doctor about -- six pretty -- this and restless -- been diagnosed with Kevin what do you think you -- commanding general design is. If you -- they began to drink wasn't happening back weakness we think Kevin. -- I get. Jack you're only -- Avon and Abigail Jones and -- what do you think Jack."

" I I just wonder what these ladies -- about the the impact of the Clinton Lewinsky on yeah him. It."

" No doubt that seems neat conversation in our and our society about sex and oral sex. I in -- and I mean our students came of age posts post Clinton they were our. Immersed -- it sexual culture completely different and you know they're not thinking about Clinton's sex life."

" That would lead would exchange you know exposure to. Sex in the dress in there and they release of the tapes have you know what would you find it so there's the Clinton Lewinsky thing but there's also. Tom Paris Helton and there's also DOC and TV shows and there's also the Internet access to city and the list goes on and on and so -- so you know. Okay -- Jack okay thanks Jim -- with Dave not Abigail Jones -- Marisa Reilly talked about this great book restless virgins we think Jim"

" keeping it complications -- their culture and environment. Privilege and entitlements and these kids are propped up their school amber and some -- them -- in Tokyo and borders and the idea that there appear in this school in the --"

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" 'cause they took me just say -- you know. The teachers was important to remember rest as virgins is the book it's a window into teenage life today. Sex and social pressures are not test prep school story. No teenagers immune. And did it this students in -- virgins. Offering insight into not only what teenagers are doing today but why there's such experiences run began at US there's a girl on the book named Whitney who has multiple sex partners and there's a girl about any Danny who has won. And so there rot you know -- it there's all different levels of experience."

" you do important -- point -- he -- and -- Milton academy is that -- that -- that example. Rich privileged kids like -- shelves were written appropriately put to go there that that's leading into this does this drop them off. And yet be influenced by their partner era students and in the school environment has much -- if there's anything."

" Well we think that's the stereotype of prep schools that in the in the 28 students that we interview -- they covered a range of -- it says economic backgrounds and in -- social experience says. So."

" You know -- you don't think so -- adolescents certainly the fact that 50% of the student campus the student body reporters. You know. That makes little different then at that Bennett that a public offered to Q and you got in did you did you blame him in your book in which Giuliani. The school did you go after residents are a member I don't -- that's that's -- is not about Milton academy we love -- We love snow capped an aggregate that -- wonderful teachers and -- sentence on our way fair. Academic is it pretty -- you can Dartmouth. We we absolutely adore it."

" We're neighbors -- and you know this and by the way they are no women call up show in August. These are all guys he'd noticed that can't just say in it. Where hey down which is not a majority term here they were the -- scholar opted to discuss this this kind of topic. This book versus version by Abigail Jones a recent which is going to be on. How we cart dot com Dubai is not titillating book about sex is is about this'll help yeah this'll help. Parents talked advocates and you know we realize that that conversation can be difficult and embarrassing you have to have a we both to -- I did with your parents marketed to we love came from households that where. Stressed open communication and relay -- barrier or your parents listing his -- It's true analysts and I've been an hour -- get a great Japanese do it and he's -- smart -- he's a break it this is not. These kids because your -- in place -- kids. I'm not pejorative this is tough book to Britain two years to get it and I. -- one woman's Mike. -- during the -- on Abigail Jones -- restless --"

" I don't there value. Our dad loved it -- public -- and equipment not apply yeah."

" It's a question you asked that question might. My -- shouldn't block them sometimes sometimes it. Com it's booked arrest was virgins the beginning Egypt. It -- picture is -- how would you describe the treatment and protection to great it's a very good picture that I'll have something to say. And -- yeah -- I have again. No I won't know Abigail Jones. Politicians just Marisa Marley for at least what do these three what these what these street pictures."

" That three women on the front of the cover for those of you who don't -- don't have the radio day actually at fictional. -- models -- models they're not actually people presented in restless -- because. All the students profound he looked like questions are anonymous that it looked like to question big ones won their -- like weren't at that are that girl on the front. It's my favorite seat I mean she's just looking at -- has something to say. She's yeah she's young she said they're struggling yeah I you have to writing highest quality credit as you know you can say okay. We did exactly I went -- to adolescents."

" He sure yes restless urgency sure. We are positive positive -- and marketing of -- garlic -- were running -- again Jones -- among these great authors. He's going to be New York Times best seller telling distinction restless -- Donna what do you think."

" Is not great Kia and data base to talk to -- for study here yeah -- it to you hear me. And I wanted to say that it's society that beat or acceptable. I don't think it has anything to do it it's better the other thing -- but now it just that the matter no big deal where when I went quite cool. It's a -- about pregnant. Like nobody's been trying to really knew what was Welsh Josh Dan -- went away in maybe she graduated -- she didn't. We're now it's like oh my daughter 13 -- pregnant I would clinic congratulations it's just accepted now that. So."

" Yeah you know it it it in wrestles virgins to two of the guys read and Brady day paper hockey their popular guys and and and they talk a lot about getting a story and they expect. This behavior you know that they expect oral sex from a hot when they hook up with a girl. And and it's it's just it's it's common and it's you know an addictive. -- had some into the effective you know -- girls or girls are pretty -- these days -- something like that."

" We're going to take a quick break Donna thanks for thanks very much are gonna be -- be right back. Whenever young Jones -- this restless virgins under a fund public. -- sunny funny -- a damn drum set and there. Chris -- you go back UNH where that in adherence. And I did three today I got that drumming is important 187746 point 43 Q do. How we'll be back on Mondays or recess is over sadly at Essex street in over it to no reports from noon to. 27 books. -- on Amman with Abigail Jones -- mind you Britain is not provocative. Very we're very brave well written book -- for kids love sex and survival and went. School -- and it it. In these young women. Taken two years to talk about sexuality -- met -- young men and women in nice to me GDP for a couple of years. And we're here for now or the testing is is Marisa win this -- book about."

" This and that on Tuesday August when he popular by the book he can -- at at. Meter booksellers Amazon.com mortars at borders and how we aren't well how are back kind original you can go to our web saying -- restless virgins that book dot com that's going to get and you can sign up for our. Distribution estimate can tell you that these events and the incidents will be in Boston on photography and add borders. And -- and September 20 cents at. Part of that -- Which once again WWW dot restless -- dot com he can't beat Thailand where Christopher just kinda be just -- for just a book last Israel Arafat seeking to have met him at his outcome tip."

" Yes yes the excellent and by the -- congratulations this is saying yeah it's very difficult thing to do to write like this put you out there. You're at your -- can get smacked around because -- this. To get to -- you're dressed in your asking us to a suspect it was which is important for asked not to deal he very bright this is going to yeah tempered with reality court."

" That we're really proud of it I mean it's -- shooting up really important issues that we think need to be talked about. This book takes you back to high school when you graduate he can't go back. And and for all of -- adults out there who. You are wondering what it's like to be and has -- I open up that spoke we take you back into this world we give you an honest intimate look. At the reality of teenagers."

" To address is virgins we'll talk to a large sections of Babylon approach to have a -- restore and we. What takes more calls to get bored talking about we did get a cup winning column which is exciting. Paul you're on the day fund and the great operas Abigail Jones -- Miami -- rest of -- we think --"

" Well well I think. They have some elaborate 1967 and they -- expert community have to let them peaches are going on today. We'll."

" It you know that -- that eight -- that may be celibate but here's the thing with. It's 2007 and and wrestles virgins were taking you. Back into the world of teenage life there is. Did -- the extreme nature of some of the sexual behavior among the since we interviewed. Is is very -- today and it's still going on today and what we're saying is let's talk about it and open up a conversation."

" Marisa so what the pressures so. The pressure -- Certainly for teens have not changed that'd be popular -- and the desire to -- end. That in -- virgin and if we found is that it's that something has changed at this isn't at an at. Free love. Sexual liberation that there are. Feeling the motivations of their reasons why it the the girls are hard. Engaging in some of this. Casual sexual behavior is not her freelance that it it's more compromising parts of themselves in order to get in with guys in your book precious virgins. Is there anything meaningful lasting that parents can do about the mysteries behavior. Of course what we did talk to your children ask them questions."

" You realize it's difficult it can be embarrassing we totally remember what that can be like. But it's a two way street. Adults parents coaches teachers adult mentor figures eating it. Talk to teens about -- about sex about sacks either I don't -- how do you feel you know what's going on it's a tough and teenagers also you know -- it constantly and it's not just on its not just on the adopts. Teenagers also need to you know trying I didn't see it the book and -- versions Boris -- do you. Talk about how to do that. We need the united."

" Six I'm in that what we've -- to do it presses versions was -- you. To ask a lot of questions present what's -- and and give it to the community and say okay we're not at a -- and I are not psychologists were not sociologists. Just 26 your -- and who journalists an authors who wrote the -- And we're hoping that wrestles version against parents and adults as well as teenagers we TV audience -- teenagers as well that'll give them an opportunity. She reached out and say. What's going on here I you guys congratulations on your book saying -- damage they"