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" Breaks -- meant -- Numerous challenges in my stayed up give -- my -- hometown of bought. It starts setting -- change the state could be targeting terrorists to help pay for the Big Dig. Tolls on the mass -- set to go up in January."

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" Part about the standing headline here in the Boston Herald ex judge nets pension paid day loophole options. Near yearly benefits by 20 -- A retired judge an -- Paul has cashed in on of the administrative loophole allowing him to collect the second pension. But Bruce is in you'll retirement pay by more than 20000 dollars a -- the -- Thaddeus what's -- who was a Salem city councilor state auditor of state representative there. Had originally cashed out of the state pension system after officials -- judges from collecting -- pensions. But it was changed the rule was changed. Which -- was appointed to the to the bench by it -- they want to to war. We wanted to open up the auditors job for John -- who was chairman ways and means brother David Finnegan. And it's just next year. Political trivia at this point but Ed king was the governor and he he didn't he didn't. Here who -- which co once he gets up there he says. Edit gives me great pleasure pleasure to a point my dear friend. Thaddeus cause ago. Does of course that's not spelled be used CZK ago. So I didn't he knew so well he couldn't pronounce his name it's it's pronounced watch crawl. Course this is that king the governor who Martin Marvin Hagler. He at king was giving them some kind of award because he's from that was the middleweight champion stuff. And he says here you know it's my plea at a weird you know weird Boston East Boston accent it game. He said did you know it now gives me great pleasure present this award to the man we call. Marvelous Melvin. Marvelous Melvin senate kinda Kennedy and Senator Kennedy. And Thaddeus buzz ago via their all there 1877469432218774694322. Another standing headline. So this story broke yesterday morning guess VW didn't really deal with a very much it's. It's my kind of story though you knew I was gonna be aware that state mulls how big a -- today. They're gonna raise the polls again on the Mass Turnpike. Massachusetts turnpike authority officials acknowledged yesterday that they are reviewing whether toll increases scheduled for January will be adequate to cover expenses that the financially strapped agency. How the -- in the Massachusetts turnpike authority -- financially strapped agency."

" Want to know how it can be because it's not paying just for the Massachusetts turnpike. It's paying for the big -- Well why again that comes the recurring question mister speaker. Why are the people from west of the city paying to improve the -- of people from the south of the city."

" Under a plan approved in the late 1990 -- holes are tentatively scheduled to rise on January 1 from one dollar to 125 at the Alston western toll booths -- from three dollars to 375 -- the Ted Williams and some McDonald's. To help cover the one point four billion in big big debt. Going to be more than that big big debt. But as of now the exact amount of the toll increase has to fulfill these bond obligations has not yet been determined turnpike spokesman Matt Daniels said in a statement. So what they're saying is that they're probably going to have that Jack up the polls from a block to a buck 50. A box to a buck 50 so that's that that sold you go when both ways that it that took up -- A day that's an extra five bucks a week that's an extra 260 bucks. A year if you used if you use one if you want if you also if -- if you use if you use Weston. And Alston -- boasts of -- threw the ball problem that you're going to be paying an extra 500 plus dollars a year is this fair 18774694322 again. There are no polls on the on the southeast expressway there are no tolls on the South Shore. Why is that they're the ones who work allegedly benefiting from the big -- Although I don't think there really are benefiting from the big big because its its its a disaster 18774694322 should should the polls be raised again should teach the people in the west. In metro west in Worcester county. In the in the the Springfield area should they have to pay. More money for a world that most of them including the people who live in the in the Indian or western suburbs. Never use your very seldom use 18774694322 and of course that night it was this some of the the reasons that there there are -- running out of money. They the fast lane discount programs. And again I believe in the past when discounts are -- get a if you give a charge people unfairly at least give them a bit of a break. The discount which began in 2002 had been funded with proceeds from the sale of a parcel of turnpike only and that all -- That's the Harvard. --"

" They sure -- old. The all stood polo boots the harbor. Harvard owns that land they got it for 75 million bucks. That's -- that's like you know point that's like selling off your back yard to to take a trip to oral book. We didn't make any sense it was -- it -- never -- sold -- in the first place oppression of Harvard the authority is also facing 244 million in unfunded healthcare cost which required workers."

" You know all the relatives of us state representatives and state senators and governors counselors. And western city councilors and Boston city councilors. In Holyoke city councilors and Springfield city councilors 1877"

" 4694322 Mary -- c'mon she's from she's from metro west she's one of the members are -- appointee to the turnpike board. She said she would offer plan this is -- when it comes before -- board. To shift the burden of higher than anticipated toll increased the commercial traffic in the drivers who use the tunnels. Which she (%expletive) she said would spare drivers from the central and western parts of the state. Quote my fundamental belief is that the central and western drivers are paying unfairly for the Big Dig in for this to go up only makes the inequity greater cotton said very true. Joining us now on the line is -- host Leo former board member of the Massachusetts turnpike authority and a former candidate for governor. -- what it what do you think of -- I mean this this is W predicted obviously."

" And aptly but I I I do want to pay that I've voted against that but need five million dollar they'll or because it was a giveaway and everybody was against the you know the -- the -- plot to everybody just you know we we you know your. You're are you -- while -- Latin acrid at what India else."

" I don't it would with -- bubbles -- Mitt -- are on the same site of an issue you gotta figure it's pretty much of a no brainer isn't it"

" it was a no brainer but the public or don't want to let the opposite happened but I voted to put the because -- in. A that we predicted the you told."

" Oh I favor of the told discounts are totally I mean there's the it's it's so -- and I'm just look at you they always say he got a better ride if you're on the pike. Well you know you know where the offices for the radio station here -- Republican out of the westbound lanes it's it's it's still bumper to bumper to almost 630."

" Well you know how we could expect my idea it's. Tolls one way and not both ways -- statements I'm coming up -- but they wouldn't do that."

" You could lay off would have for the toll --"

" It's cheap wouldn't that be let you know that they don't have to rate that the old like its pocket but it paid. Squandered money -- let you know what they it was a two what it 50 million bucks we went away. For our preventative maintenance on the on the turnpike about what they it would of the contingent on for the Big -- that went from like the hundred in 900 million but how we -- so much money coming through that thing suggest you know. Of course no -- seeing any of the financially what the audit that. -- what the the the airport authority. It is -- on inside his group well I'd Jim -- in his role in the yet recommending. At a total increase its gonna are equipped what that was represented in the on the."

" I -- no it you know it's not like this is you know the keeping up with -- inflation immediately always jacket up so much you know -- we used to be a quarter than what day it was 50 cents that are -- goes well it's gonna go from a box to a buck 58. And we -- that's ten bucks a -- if you go through if you go through while -- way to -- Wall -- and -- that you know."

" I've 120 dollars a year. In that you know you can't write that opt out you know regular guide the student that the nurse -- map of the -- the road you'll have to decide used it. It right are that statement and it is for the pretty well and then baked it yet -- the issue that you know of that. That the 19 billion dollars but all over the next 19 years. They're they're they're never going to change the way they operate -- never going to change the way that they do get. So it more the bank just if you don't -- after the -- unfortunately you know you -- not very well represented their budget."

" I don't know I know I I'd I'd said that a million times I mean they're they're you know what they could they care about you know why's that did the pledge of allegiance which they're against gay marriage which they're four. They the the the -- but polls that are that are battery. Their constituents are likely a distant afterthought for most of those people and it's it's so frustrating they got no help."

" That would cap clout if they if they stood together. And they did what was right for their constituents -- whatever reason they want to look at the white and -- chairman outfit that lay out. People thought what he fought in Vietnam north."

" And for what he's from Winthrop and he and we're Christie's talking about is if you live in the north and -- right East Boston. You get that you get a told -- only play for pay 40%. Don't delete that's even get a for his own constituency that the -- were present for what 20 -- It you want to stick around -- hold will take some calls here with the the latest poll increased that's being proposed talk about standing headlines. Pike pole increase may get steeper planned hike won't cover debt to official site 1877469432 to bow our."

" He 18774694322187746 -- refuse to. You always have that new payroll. For the Massachusetts turnpike post. Find out hack the website at Boston Herald dot com. Christie at the MA go back and -- right or Friday column and just point out again all the people all the state reps who got -- relevance in how much their pay is gone up to now mean this it that basically they have -- they bought off all the wraps. Whose whose kids whose constituents are being screwed by these higher -- by giving giving all their relatives hack jobs is toll collectors."

" Why why do it though it is all in Florida an uproar on this thing it's that you know if it -- they're wrapped with just look at the fact that. All of these -- though all of these problems in the tunnels in the -- and fixing at the fixing that these are expected this -- that indeed -- in the pot the -- that. None of that. I lot. Is that turnpike responsibility it alt map but it take in the money out of the turnpike I bet leading it to death. And and that's why looking to double yet."

" I like that's why like what you put you. -- because you're right it's only like it's only 20 to 25% of the people were getting stocked with this. And by the way I assume that the Tobin bridge tolls will be going up again yet again in the in the near future that's not that that's -- the Mass Turnpike that's the mass port authority and you know maybe they'll say it may be -- some day soon they'll they'll have control of the of the bridges well but that'll make any difference the polls shall keep going up by an -- by an opt out up."

" But it really that that that the whole thing yet all of -- make but that -- optimistic that it happened on NAFTA the the contract -- But the money going to commodity top spot in its."

" It looked after the Apollo actually meant that the -- but gonna get a thousand dollar five out of this a thousand bucks that was big money when they passed that law in 1870."

" it's it's devastated this old what -- know what I know what everybody knows that but well might not that it'll probably more than 50 cents the increase which --"

" No more than 50 cents. I more than 50 cents because it's supposed to be quarter wildly back but the practice that back at 99 the seven yes. So -- like that is."

" Looking more certainly but what are they just felt that they -- the bulk of these service again with what -- today in in in our rights at all they could probably you know -- you know 208 -- 90 million bucks. Put that in them at an account in bad you know why don't."

" They sell the turnpike itself."

" What's wrong with it because. -- somebody's going to lose the job."

" Not at all because then hold well at never -- that -- you know -- you know it's a private operator will command and it's yeah. --"

" I would rather you know what I would rather pay you money 22 toll takers that I don't recognize their faces because they look like people like see up on at the state house then the way it is now."

" I don't that's that's why did accurate it's with point guard -- miles go ahead dec."

" I -- anyhow I would call production about to shop but I haven't been told here but just a little period that. If you personally now. And at about about trying to make -- but. You complain all the time about how you get idiotic politicians representing -- got to his -- that I think at one time we should've bought like any of them have to but. Google does a lot of good things about -- so that you -- now we always got a -- it is because the -- with such there. It has improved but again we commuter -- coming down here made the property guys swap out the the -- afflicted but. The you I have to lab because you costly complain about but you don't do that but I you could -- Well expensive -- the PP which they caught with both the political right."

" don't hear right now. But deck you know you would meet you think both for the overrides I don't know how to go for. That foolish -- population I -- whatever as a Republican running right now -- vote for but you know George field we can't win anymore that the district went for being it was a Republican House district. Four since the civil war. And it's got it now it's all how it's totally Democrats I don't because the mood -- moved the people we trust funds moved in the rich --"

" I know but the -- problem right yeah how what you -- buttress these optical at that if thank you."

" yeah all right hopefully but don't believe how much money I have that I don't have a mountain bike. He's bags -- 1877 dollars 4322. -- rather. I'd rather have a place in Florida the -- spend that kind of dial it. I don't that Larijani but I have -- I -- that poison Florida about a -- Europe classical facet of what that money. Jodi -- next with -- car and -- my house go ahead Judy."

" Hi how. And I thought I guess you know you gotta read -- book about the Big Dig and I want to answer -- question yeah most of us good. No I've read I read up up up around me on its -- and I'm I'm street's older Macs. And that pretty much accept everything you're saying and those people that don't believe thing but I do. As I've lived here my whole life and I'm pretty setup of situation. And I don't know like I guess what I can say -- is that -- don't want to he would hold -- everybody. In the suburbs it held condemn the -- with the Miami and they don't want to papering and you know."

" Big bodied people in Framingham and go I don't know -- and the big money people for -- People private from west of Boston all the time that get stuck with these -- it's not just it's not just you don't mind me in my neighbors that are -- one act."

" Right why don't want real estate taxes right so it's somewhat agreement about that they can't -- on you know now can. We're -- us. Well now I don't -- Sarah Collins what I am saying by I don't know what the answer is answer might be and -- everybody in the state house at that point I mean I don't know."

" That mechanism exists but they they could be thrown out of office in the into -- but -- you were aghast aghast we've talked about this before. It costs what 30 cents out of every dollar took that's collected at the polls close to collect right. Get right to collect the polls are more than that okay how much does it cost that to collect eight. -- dollars worth of gasoline tax. Now it so wouldn't it be a better deal and then there's the equity -- I hate to raise the F word fairness. But there is the equity issue here if if every everybody is going to have to take a hit. It should everybody have to take it yet for this disastrous fiasco known as the big day."

" Well but believe me it don't -- with the gas tax commitment did -- spent on it by the stroke of a and no voter neat thing back in 2000 people two very but the death tax affects everybody so everybody would become -- down on the this way it's just metro west. And the yet you know up short in you know okay at about and -- that the feeling up -- it you know it'll be interesting. We should -- we should go to a couple of these every six --"

" Oh I love I love that the I just Atlanta but what about the paper have -- have their habit that they said don't worry folks. We're going to have some eggs before we raise that told -- that -- of what was the last time they had hearings that -- we -- the hearings and what can raise the polls because people are angry about it after hearing the people -- we don't need to act."

" Let that happen and -- the 2001 -- that would not going to do what we want to but -- at the people at all. That we don't work into it how active that it. I get but it one thing. That they entering in Winthrop -- in August of 2000 it was part of the of the year at a -- 97. With 75% humidity -- 88. Scheduled it in a -- memorial auditorium at no air conditioning --"

" They always do what they always do on a weekday to write a week then. Aren't you gotta -- yet because you're gonna get a lot of people really turning out on a weekday of the summer right when it's really hot it's --"

" we need the equipment to bring in -- the air conditioners that. -- where you'd like more in the but that's what they did without telling anybody. And it was just -- the joke but you know we vote against that I would and we fought the good battle but right now this thing is -- out of control."

" Now it is it's been you know what it's been out of control for so long I mean this is not the nobody just days it really is it's it's infuriating that that. That none of the people in the in metro west or Worcester county year or or or west -- kid can do anything about it or and the fact that they've been bought off thanks for the call Judy we'll take one more call for -- the elect Christie go we'll take a break. -- Kevin you're next with how -- my house go ahead Kevin."

" I Ali. We don't need the door open and the actual wing -- predict we would Traficant now but that was done at least that I would topic -- well."

" and Kevin and we and we paid for it and we spoke at the polls. And the -- and it gets dealt it's still bump party it's it's 643 and it's still bumper to bumper out there and Brighton on the there's be there's an advantage to maybe there was ten years ago but there's no advantage to driving the turnpike anymore."

" exit polls won weight not both ways that it will be lobby -- a lot of law a lot of he. It's the -- that's that's the domino effect that the really you know the meaning the moving people not knowing which -- that they're written is in my back plane attached at the whatever. -- that's what causes at all but they don't --"

" I gave I gave a toll taker budget nichols' -- on the Kristi ago as a lack. I was speed -- Vietnamese used he was yelling at me. I'm what happened that a customer is always right. -- 18774694322 with a one more call for Christina ago Paul -- next with -- guard -- my ball."

" I don't -- I've brought like the question what did you -- not a Big Dig right yet someone to arm problems after the golf course yeah."

" Q and -- get -- you know. -- I don't know I don't know what you paid for it to be shipped to Melrose where a lot of it was who has a factor but the people it in. I don't know -- it's right -- all of the I wish I could tell it -- while but I but again it went up. Mike and I went up that the pay these people and they they -- the -- out of the ache in in -- to bill that golf course right. The -- at the big dictate them to take it. Here's -- all of that and they paid to take the last I'd Guerrero didn't is such a great job players in Melrose."

" Yeah he would have been a great with Tenet governor through its its a shame that ticket never came together swift. Christy thanks for being way out that's -- miles flare up former board member of the Massachusetts turnpike authority with a few more calls we come back 18774694322."

" Yeah 187746943 victory tonight -- power and Christi make sure that the Republicans lost between you wouldn't -- Buffy didn't have a chance. So live with the results of the Irish and Italian mafia is running now."

" She chooses to as the so socialist Soviet puppet state. So it's my fault. I'll blame Christi don't blame me for Massachusetts being run as a socialist Soviet puppet state how would that be about how to be a puppet state I mean it can be a socialist state but I -- be a Soviet puppet -- when there is no Soviet Union 18774694322 Mike you're next with how we cargo ahead Mike."

" But right now I'd probably -- What should not rule out calling areas because of all the Interpol Arctic kid growing up it's over with all the brick -- that that -- freak not welcome Chelsea. I know alot but now as -- I've -- ice so well would you could have put out particular whether any hot. And I still pain free box -- old one way. And the -- expect that it is it's our. I beat it -- they want more money to build more Bridget so that they give but the of the bridges -- ballpark like support Bridget that Ukraine remains caught in the what was off on the -- coming."

" But you know Mike here's the thing you know you that three -- sure pay and I mean how much of it really goes to the maintenance of the bridge and how much goes to hear the weeks in the in the Ted Williams tunnel and the tip -- lot tunnel which you probably very seldom you -- that's the thing that's what's so frustrating for if you live on the near north shore like you do -- metro west like I do."

" Yeah I I I -- master Osama life and that's Tom Pristina are you at all. And I moved in the interest two years ago yeah up there what a difference what a difference you know your --"

" but I know they're you know they tried to Jack up the polls in New Hampshire to but the the thing is there's a resistance in New Hampshire and -- led by people who have clout -- you know and and sometimes I think it probably New Hampshire they can stop at all inquiries. I mean around here you can't because every everything is everything's bought and paid for including the toll takers because they're all related to the that the that the legislators. Thanks for the call Mike 18774694322 Bernie you're next with how we cargo ahead Bernie."

" I in check -- bought at the oh I think -- But I -- Whether it. I paid a Mac so no motorists stopped western. At all if -- going away oh now you'd get up and you pay what you would have paid if you. Not -- Barrett that you get off. Take one stop you know your right your right to stop to pay whatever you would have paid at the ticket -- but they don't know wary -- on."

" Well I guess and what it would mean something if you in Framingham date and you went to like EG four. Right but if you get on the west -- yeah you're right you don't need it."

" No motorists at stopping -- green house gases. That could be prepare."

" That's very good Bernie I've been through I've been through their only about ten million lines that never occurred to me I'm impressed you've got well. But they don't -- save some time the next time Michael the western man let's."

" So how you gonna get to implement it."

" Public going to get what implement I'd just like you know I. I just like to tear down I'd like to -- my perfect world I want to hear it on the toll booths in put the gas tax on this the the gas tax is the only thing I want to -- is the only one increased. Just -- not because I want to increase the gas tax but I don't think it's fair that the you know when needed 25% of the population has the pick up the take up for the whole state."

" My point you can carry on the weapons sold out -- yeah like it's elect a low tech -- That would."

" But the going to be some layoffs of some people were related to stay representatives thanks for the call Bernie 18774694322. He's actually -- you know want to go out to what that would Tina my youngest daughter was in camp in the -- I didn't I didn't need to pick up the the the ticket I didn't. Get off disco straight through go to exit five I lost the ticket I don't have a ticket give me the masks the max's it was a buck 70 that's why what -- paid anyway. -- your next with -- cargo ahead --"

" How -- ally failed at my breath that 68 and an art in this state and I understand patriots as the name of the game. Yes but technically at a different situation now. But alas is -- bill well a million and a governor that Robin Miller had a governor now we have Patrick is a million dollars in --"

" It millions in that yes I figure it out 31000 is is monthly nut from a just on the houses."

" And the first. We give up their basic a lot of job of the -- to sign a confidentiality agreement. Right that's scares me."

" Well I don't worry John don't worry about it too much -- you know anyone can sign a confidentiality agreement but that doesn't mean that they can't. Email me whatever the hell they want to send it to me snail mail or send it to anybody else this there's still. There's still Claudia leaks out -- John -- war thanks for the call John John your next with how we cargo ahead John."

" As JD in Vermont I don't. Hey I have a -- if I could gain a lot and I see a lot of people work the ski areas. Have their name back and that tells where they're from yeah. I think India great idea for all toll takers to have listed under the name bats -- they're related."

" So wants to -- a it's like they have the they have the road cleanups are sponsored by right. So true yeah it's that poll taker sponsored by representative for a solo sponsored by senator Patrick Sally. Genetics idea we've got some good ideas -- late in the show it's John another job very quickly John. Yet and."

" I'll let -- take care. But the hope is that. Others have been nickel now that they did they got the articles was like 20 years -- I mean he's here as -- eight thank god that kid that got that Nichols he's not becoming. 20 years old -- he's already learned this agreement with customers. Forgiving him. Legal tender. Or point yes that's terrible that for that there has it been legal no I did I -- Again I'm going to spend on about spit on my own opinion so now -- car."