Donald Cresitello

" Boy there's some interesting news on the immigration front -- all seems to be cluster around New Jersey. Not that anybody I think would reasonably anticipate New Jersey being in the a battleground in the forefront of immigration issues she think of Texas California Arizona New Mexico those of the four states that I -- primarily think of when I think of Israelis of the concentrated challenge that we face as a country with immigration every state of course has its own issues its own challenges we here in Massachusetts have around and you know everybody is that different people have the different dynamic different way of approaching it in New Jersey the Iraq some -- is who were really getting out onto the front lines in considering the deputized station that's how how I'll refer to it of the local police. In two kind of homeland security and an end immigration issues we're joined on the phone by AMA had Donald. -- tell he's the mayor -- Morris town. New Jersey apparently in living and got if you will love may is down -- New Jersey who was thinking. A different ways they might utilized -- grown local enforcement -- our enforcement teams. In the fight to bring some coherence to this issue mr. mayor thank you for joining us here in Boston on parents forum."

" Good morning thanks for the opportunity to. -- look sick of people where this issue in this particular program."

" You know mr. mayor ray -- we were trying to reach out to get you on the foreign I'm delighted you were able to join us many of us think the front lines on immigration issues are really. Texas Arizona New Mexico and California but clearly. You know -- a guy with some serious responsibilities down there in New Jersey the implication of immigration issues probably affects. Almost everything -- the the arrests employment issues health care issues that you'd be in the midst of tell us that tell us what you -- experience has been in what it is specifically trying to do with the federal government."

" Well like many towns in America are facing the same problems. The -- sound is no exception we have about 1500. Illegal many of them moved out there on the street Bernard -- seeking employment which by the way -- a federal crime under the immigration statutes they cannot. I have to be employed bark at anybody asked them to be employed than people think it's not a criminal offense that it has but. You know I've attempted to deal with the bomber at a local level since. The border they're not secured then apparently the federal government choose not to act and we have applied for program known as to release strategy of homeland security. And and that program would permit local Police Department. Become deputized immigration all the years in the main. Ross is to deal with both felonies. Criminal activity such as they're notorious gang MS 13 prostitution money laundering in Taiwan and those kind of crimes. Or are creeping into small town like Mark."

" Mick -- mr. mayor I'm curious about two on two fronts first. The reaction thus far from the federal officials to -- of applied for this consideration under 287 G for that type a special status for you off local -- our enforcement personnel and two I'm interested enough political. Reaction and in if has been any you know pushed back to you from Democrats Republicans are anybody else federal federal government responsive and the local political response."

" the federal government response the meaning Homeland Security golf has been positive although they believe. Well of course those little difficulty when they that I needed flying county jail -- would accept the prisoners that we work too well are we don't expect to have many thought that meant that I got -- local. Caddick Alan and I asked them to participate in at least seven -- We believe that they will because Homeland Security that I replaced the even how to hold illegal -- that. But what they've been supportive although we don't there's some high level pressure by elected official. You are not known to me but obviously would you know that's going to happen. On the local level where there's been overwhelming support like people that are both Liberal Democrats conservative Republicans -- the average citizen. Keep thanking -- mayor police keep carrying on the fight we need to send a message to Washington. We need to deal with this problem and and but at this state level of course the governor were supposed to march down entry into the program and I -- governors and most governor transit authority you have your own fate labor laws that you could be enforced saying. The -- just having your Labor Department check work site which you have a right to do I -- majority does and you don't need any federal. Status to do that what you can't profile child. A Labor Department have a right to enter any works right most states. And find out who you are -- he worked for and they go to their role is as if they're paying they're required disability and unemployment insurance co worker compensation insurance. Paying post they'd have those laws so I talent all the governors. In this country to start doing their job."

" You know it's interesting because I hear a lot from the construction trades particularly the union trades. Very frustrated with what they say the irritability that legitimately compete on a level playing field because of the failure to pay the provide these the county the unemployment the workers -- everything else that you mentioned. A lot of those -- unions would be supportive of somebody like governor Corzine. And it cause I stick in the position given you odd timing given other may as I had time if I hear correctly."

" Well you know he got in the newspaper come out against program I'm not sure he understands that it not -- to have to -- Stadium -- and having women complain to meet both appeal winner and other women about comments he made them but. These workers were working in unsafe conditions that they don't understand English they don't understand our federal laws that you can't put a trench 60 he and they're subjected to working conditions. That they wouldn't be bought their employers we're also working under an all cash economy should not think state income tax where being divided -- revenue. While -- security system appointments so that and so on but again we can deal with low level of governors. Which starts doing their jobs that they hire more. A labor inspectors. They would reap the benefits in millions and millions and millions of dollars coming into this from the they get depleted because these workers who were taking other people's jobs are not contributing but -- unemployment system."

" A complete -- it's a complete underground economy."

" It's not I think the governor can't hide anymore because well -- they're now out their strength isn't just George Bush as president problem I think usually. I was spoke -- spoke to a a great they're great but it also can we can -- at the local level at least they. There -- 287 G Eric got to sheriff's officer in every municipality and by the way there are no problems. That training in 270 programs so again the old government -- allocate resources are that you'll be found at the local level."

" Mr. may -- you mentioned that you're receiving comments from all across the political spectrum conservative Republicans which would be fairly predictable. Liberal Democrats which I think would take some people by surprise. And I want to make sure right clarifies for a listening audience appear in Boston on -- succeeding WRK -- you're a Democrat is self is that correct."

" I am I have about something out -- like to clarify I believe that the country needs to immediately issue would document. That legitimizes the people that are in this country but that is not amnesty that is not a path to citizenship is simply a registration. Of those individuals that are here. And then along with that. Strong panel these double 100000 dollars in client for anybody who hired somebody who doesn't have a permit so we can stop this well every night. Six to 10000 people of course in our border into the country and if we act. A restriction program. We would weed out the criminals we would legitimize those people have been airport but we could be strong enforcement. In the future and I think the Americans are prepared to accept some of these people that are here but they don't want -- all and the lack of participation by. By paying into the system. And and being responsible for their share in notwithstanding all the money back to the South America Central America met -- and wherever else."

" You know mr. -- it's really astonishing the numbers that you just mentioned six to 10000 folks you know coming in by hook or by crook you know every night Ahronot daily Vienna daily basis one where another. Do you think of it at week's end -- months ended years in the implication of that for the country. No wonder it is just such political frustration and anger being directed at folks like George Bush and John McCain some of their ideas a tenable but I think most people fallen TR category whether they're Republican or Democrats I think most of them say. One can we get I handled through some type -- registration database on. Who was he who they -- where they add that at some handle that we can we could sour and on that an -- by the way can we finally secure that DM boarded down -- so these numbers don't continue to flow we end. On in in such real and in those -- astounding numbers were an easing of -- let's take yellow figure of 6000. At week's end. You've got 40000 more people here in the United States of America who really don't have you know a link to the culture the economy the society in any way they're trying to find their way out of economic desperation -- the create all sorts of problems with guys like you who have the responsibility of leading the city."

" Well that's true I think a recent poll maturity while 40% of people said they would accept. Legalization -- people letter here but they also want strict -- sportsmen so in the future doesn't continue and legalization but not mean citizenship. I think they want what these people punished through falling. And then by saying well you're here but you can't become a citizen at this pint of we will -- continue to work that we will that you contribute certainly the country in the economy has become addicted. That is cheap labor that's not fair to the labor -- does not -- other contractors who are following the world by the way I've been union contractor. For 40 years you don't know. And that -- an elected official with 3040 years. So we need to act but we can act at a local level George Bush. The president Drew an executive order could make it easier for people -- force immigration law if you water till I got. All understand other than this is another form of slavery. Where big business and all the businesses are taking advantage cheap labor force in the work unsafe conditions. Would not benefit and it isn't and it's. It's legal right now what it shouldn't be these --"

" I was going to say it's it's tremendously exploits paid of economically vulnerable people I'm not making any excuses for how they got here anything else. But this so vulnerable and it's. Off its horrific. In terms of its exploitation with talking of the my mayor of Morristown New Jersey -- Donald crescent cello who's filed with the -- Department of Homeland Security an application to deputized his local -- enforcement folks in -- fight to begin to enforce against illegal immigration he can't mr. -- let's let us take a call from Cambridge, Massachusetts Stephen Iran via what may yet Don -- Donald -- cello of Morristown new juicy. Good morning --"

" More I ordered to them at the M -- make a comment in an -- the the programs he's trying to do I think there -- noble in the sense that it has some kind of -- provides some kind of control. At the same time. Basically what you adorning its softening the blow when you start registering people that's just a a partial acceptance of the legality one of the mayor's I think enough in Hartford connect new New Haven, Connecticut. Just allow them to have identification cards -- basically all you're doing your light indeed at the impact could be them being equal to the point where it's more acceptable why not take take that same program in just have it's strictly toward the employer. Any employer found hiring illegal immigrants for whatever reason whether they provided documentation that they. They thought was real they thought wasn't real. They're buying heavily the second offense the company is cities just like they -- with drug runners. When drug runner his character to a with a drug in his car they -- his vehicle. To say well"

" they are correct. -- obsolete correct and that's what I am. Advocating like that you have to recognize some of the people in the country for 15 years have children and their children now -- children. Even under a program a strict labor force and most people would just not going to lead this country -- On -- it's not realistic to think that. Weakened by drying up the money supply that everybody's going to go all that's not going to happen yet from people will go back to their. There -- countries that younger groups but -- of people would have been in the country. With that in 20 years there here. Illegally and those of particular people at this point basically are what are not legal American citizens most of them are legal citizen and out there registration program ought to about it Bob what art for I'm related it would be a federal. Our program that require the following that require documentation that they require learning English. And does not permit citizenship at the punishment but did he got to get a handle around it. And you have to be realistic -- it is not going to drive people -- and besides what. Our economy has become addicted to the labor and -- our labor shortages."

" They're our Kelly no question I think mr. -- right there -- roles here. Stephen I mean it's a good call because if for no other reason it highlights the complexity of this it's not as black and -- a simple as some people would make it seem. But I do think mr. may you've nailed it with three guide to secure the border first. And if Washington continues to be politically unable to get here. The in my engineer -- around this at some point local leaders such as yourself to have to step up and provide some coherence. To what is have right now it's a shambles south the F and in and good people again and -- that just yet and taken to the cleanest let's go to John in hopkinton a Johnny up next. -- parents forum with mayor Don crescent -- of Morristown New Jersey."

" All right John I'm here on channel. You know I -- think you got some great ideas for leadership of the state level and I think there was some pretty good solution. I want to -- say what you come is that you know. The problems of illegal labor go way beyond just upsetting some labor unions. And that there's -- downtrodden class are American citizens. They're being stepped on -- illegal immigrants. Currently if you look at that -- which includes people that this stable single mothers and make trying to reenter society like school dropouts. In duplicate have -- curb. They don't have a voice and they would take those jobs -- at higher wages that are paid by arms. That -- unemployment and workmen's comp they would take them which you know what they don't have a voice so where is congressman delahunt. And trying to McGovern. And even our senators Kerry Kennedy to speak up for underclassmen are considered and where progressive and Liberal Democrats they should be championed their cause not jumping on the illegal immigration good or bad."

" Yeah I -- and the same with the -- they would hold true for her Vienna for the may have down there with a governor governor Jon Corzine who was a member of the US senate now the governor. You would think those those constituencies of those segments about population that you mention people trying to reintegrate from prison single moms high school dropouts in the other. Categories yes somebody has to be looking out for them and making sure they have opportunities as well and then not just kick to the period because they because somebody else will be exploited even more grievously you know I -- immigrant community mr. -- is that some of the commentary that you received from the Liberal Democrats who have been expressing their appreciation -- and."

" Actually the coral the caller is right on point I can tell you about an individual came out of prison and who was working for a contractor it's turned out the contractor was from Guatemala. The individual was injured in an automobile accident there was no in short on the vehicle was in short of car commercial vehicle now so and and the -- in Guatemala is an illegal. The company is illegal yet he's run around with a truck with with. Residential plate it's not commercial plates no problem it is so far reaching now it's out of control. And we need to take the control on the local level again. Kuwaitis -- NG is that federal. -- a program that is a legitimate program 75 agencies that now apply to 87 G I think -- Part of that reason because we're getting national attention making -- where it and it and it can help but it's still not the solution the solution it's. We need to do have what -- you know governor or start imports in the labor laws in their state."

" You know -- again we're talking -- Morristown may have Morristown New Jersey that is may have Donald -- to tell he is a Democrat. He has taken some very strong steps to try to address the frustrations around illegal immigration particularly in the aftermath of the federal government's inability to reach a political consensus and conclusion on this mister may have been great to give us so much time keep us posted as you go forward on this. Would be keen Tia. If and when you hear back from the federal government as to whether they give you the blessing of a sanction a move forward."

" Thank you for bringing that program to the attention of the a lot of the bastions."

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