John E. Sununu 6-27-07

" 1877469432 to death toll free number of what car showed joining us now on the line is US senator John Sununu of New Hampshire he's a Republican unity voted basically to kill the this year amnesty bill yesterday in the Senate. Senator Sununu thank you for your vote."

" Well you're very welcome Ali -- to be with in good to hear your voice and start -- not at this Phoenix park hotel. Side of our last meeting."

" That's it's one of those things senator Sununu but you know -- again I'm alleged that the right thing it's what's going to happen tomorrow or is is that is the vote going to still take place tomorrow you thank."

" Oh yes made the them. And that's senator -- filed a series of cloture motions. Which he was forced to do because opponents of the bill. -- weren't going to make it easy for this to move forward. And those basically locked in votes one we have -- that I voted no on. One will have tomorrow which closes debate on the overall bill. And then 30 hours after that -- have the final passage but if it gets close closure on the final bill tomorrow morning. And let's face it final passage is sort of a moot point tomorrow morning's the key vote that the first cloture to get on the bail cut 64 votes I did I already exists it's just it's going to get less than 64. I am I can't tell you how many it's going to get but it it 64 with a high watermark."

" If you -- that man. How would you best."

" Well here's the deal people -- reporters around in no way here in the hallways it's. It when it comes to a close vote they say well you know what you think -- terror do you have the votes to win. There's no value in telling anyone where you think the votes are present only helps the people that are against him. So I mean how ice that is much as I want to say because and so talking about my colleagues here. But I think 64 is a high watermark. Aaron's number of people that voted for cloture to get on the bill. That are not going to vote for cloture to complete the and so edgy you know you point out he can get five people to switch it it and the bill will stop."

" But on the other hand whether anybody whether he squishy votes on the among the 35 review I mean could could you hot potato -- lose votes that was what I'm saying in the community hospital so I -- seven you might actually -- seven votes."

" Anything is possible but I think you're much less likely to -- votes go the other. Because there is voting no. On the first procedure what is a vote to say you know it's not even appropriate that we move back to this deal. Those were people that didn't even want to move back for the bill because they believe we already had one fearful debate."

" I've been I've been reading the -- the running commentary just as as it comes across the wires and senator demand is saying that this that this bill is being treated in a way that no bill has ever been treated in the Senate before the all sorts of rules are being thrown to the wind here."

" Well it's certainly getting some -- I'm usual treatment. No one's breaking the rules the most unusual thing is and ordered to. Control the amendments that are offered senator Reid offered one large what's called -- substitute amendment. Yes and then click here restless Dick clay pigeon and then used the procedure to divide the question which candidates in the rules. It's used once in a great while. It was -- despite Tom Coburn. To slow down work on -- ought to big appropriation bill I was spending too much money and I supported Tom when he he used the rule to do just that to to move more slowly out big spending bill and this time greeted using it -- two -- control the debate more effectively it's unusual. But but people have had the opportunity it's certainly when it first came around offer amendments. And it is unfortunate that more people don't get a chance to offer amendments this time."

" Do you want you you served in the house before you were elected to the Senate. Is is there are a is there any likelihood the house would pass this bill if if it gets out tomorrow."

" I can't imagine it again -- this -- goes in front of the house there are probably 35 or 40 Democrats will not vote for it. Because there it this is who's the next section built ballot fifth period from eight a district that's relatively conservative -- 405060. Democrats from conservative districts. And there are a lot of argument on such basic for the hard left there are a lot of people that won't vote for this bill because its Caesars it's it's not fun illegal immigrants. And -- probably 15 or 20 Republicans that will vote Ford the point is they don't have the votes for this bill on the house if you move it to the right. Then -- Democrats you move move it to the last used Democrats can't report."

" So watchers say what you're basically telling me is even if we lose tomorrow we shouldn't think it's the end of the world."

" All its weaponry yes that's correct and it's certainly not the end of the road for this legislation it's. It's going to be very very tough chat obstacle to obstacle to overcome an -- frankly I think -- policy is hoping that it has its -- and."

" Now what should our our listeners in New Hampshire and Maine do considering their -- their three Republican senators who was voted the opposite way from you should do would you recommend that they that they keep calling is it is there a chance they can change some minds here."

" Well I hope we have -- any member of congress and certainly the senators from New England. We've all. Receive a lot of phone calls I think we all of the members have a pretty good sense of where. The public is on this issue and it I would never discourage anyone from letting their voice be heard. Write a letter sent an email make a phone call but who. There have been a lot of calls and communication may some of it's been very constructive vision might imagine being. Taking phone calls as she did some some phone calls a more constructive and other but every once or should be."

" I think that you the union leader was suggesting that probably some of our phone calls were not as as helpful as as others today that's the impression I got the story body."

" Anyone from New Hampshire should always feel the -- freed infield the rate in the privileged that you know. Call our office and and make sure that that they way yet."

" Okay let's make some calls for senator Sununu about this about this legislation so the voters tomorrow morning that."

" Yes side tickets that."

" Than 30 John you're next with Howie -- and senator John Sununu from New Hampshire go ahead John."

" Yes for myself and I want to graduate to understand that thank you very much. I want to know like you get just clicks on the reform it and I also want to know what you think I've had this on the is that -- possibility that the Republicans taking back these state legislature this year."

" Well I I certainly thinks so look at it at this state level as it at the federal level. Well we've seen a change in control from Republicans the Democrats and out of the box in both cases. The the legislatures have passed higher taxes higher spending again to try to micromanage individual behavior whether it's you know bans on smoking or seatbelts or helmets or prohibitions on releasing helium balloons which -- has represented is elite eight its -- the idea."

" The government firecrackers."

" It is the idea that the government should manage personal behavior I don't think that's what -- it. Freedom minded people in New Hampshire signed up I think that's what people at the federal level they were getting with the democratic congress so I think that the they chances. Returning Republicans were more focused on limited government and lower taxes it took power at this state level as -- us"

" I -- is now. I was wondering what percentage of Carl you've received that as far against that."

" I -- edit it conservatively guess its then 8020 -- 100 against the legislation. Do you think that's at saint Patrick called the other senators have been getting idea. Idea -- I don't think it's certainly in New England it in different parts of the country might very if you went down to the paid a southern states or western states there might be some variation I think in New England at least in terms of the phone calls and emails that's that's pretty consistent."

" Thank you Ruthie okay senator senator Judd -- stun number yes 20222433 to four."

" And then my phone number -- two to four. At two weeks for one."

" I'm good share of the little -- good the he'll appreciate that senator I'm sure Jim your bags with a -- cards senator John Sununu go ahead Jim."

" All -- and senator Sununu an afternoon. I called this a bit out of politics supporters are yours senator problem here in New Hampshire is the Republican Party. In your colleagues specifically is going along at helping the Democrats have disembarked in art. He's quite frankly. So my thought is that we need to complete. He construction of the Republican Party and get rid of everybody -- they're like yeah that have been at their July it you don't understand."

" What do you want the cost the Democrats does not on the screen with my my position on this legislation. Sanders who operate that's no answer better then the Republican Party -- look I got."

" On this legislation I certainly don't think that's the case. On not a way to look at this small businesses taxes and regulations for small businesses that provide most of the jobs in health care in New Hampshire I don't think that's the case. When it comes to big spending which is the biggest killer when it comes to deficits I don't think that's the case you know I think people in New Hampshire want someone who's. Commonsense fiscal conservative doesn't want government to micromanage people's lives. And and certainly not a bill like best recognizes that if you have 12 million people in the country illegally. You don't announce to them that they can also stay. Indefinitely because that's sends the wrong signal to people in the future that might break the -- so. Look on those issues I I would have to disagree I think there were represent reflect the estate values pretty well."

" Thanks Jim David you're next with how we -- and senator Johnson who go ahead David"

" are you it is member of the I'm curious how. You said that it -- unity. That that split how can -- panel just our international calls we've been receive life right and that and massacred their rampage that help people feel that make that -- expect that all the Balkans somebody. Justify not -- constituency and and voting. Entirely opposite as a member of the Senate I think there to represent and and doing so doing not exact purpose."

" Well I can't answer for other members of the Senate or members of the house -- we all. Stand up for a basic set of principles -- it but we'll -- galleries."

" Where were poor -- here senators don't want to break it couldn't tell exactly the the music is the heads up senators and Lou thanks for being aware of this we are right and you're always welcome back him mentally"