Rudy Giuliani 6-13-07

" 18774694322 that's the toll free number of the Howie Carr show and joining us right now on the line -- former New York mayor. Rudy Giuliani if you want to speak to war Rudy give us -- call 877469432218774694322 thanks for being on the show today Rudy."

" back with you it's good to it's good to have you on the show again. It's the U what you -- you wish -- 12 commitments not commandments commitment we -- 12 not a effect that you know why I mention one thing images that that's some of the stuff I've heard before but this this planned that your Europe proposing I don't know how you do what exactly but the letting parents take their kids public -- pupil tax funds. Out of the out and spend it on private school -- mean that's a that that's you do tried that -- New York --"

" I did I tried to do -- city I wasn't able -- should even though I had an entire community that was supportive for the African American largely African American community. Jamaica queens of want it to be able to control the education of their own children. The got the idea that this is it's not just. It would include scholarships and vouchers but it would also include charter schools and the basic idea is to create alternatives. In areas where you have public education that's failing to create alternatives. And did give parents more choice because parents know more about the education of their children and government bureaucrats. And that any any any any suggestions of -- part of doing this is we're going to. Over the next two agreements were going to explain all of these and more detailed one at a time but we're going to ask people for their advice on how to do some of these things. That is a work in progress it's not. It's not something that we finished -- but it would include vouchers. School scholarships. And it would include charter schools an -- support for charter school I believe the only way to safe public education the areas where it's broken down is to give more choice to pair."

" Now I noticed that the first commitment here is I will keep America on offense in the terrorist war on us. But there's you don't you say -- on all the need these obviously but you don't use the I word I rack I don't see that anywhere in the 12 amid."

" Got to keep it -- profits and and and I'm a portable we also want to do is to get people to see Iraq. As part of an overall picture Iraq is not isolated. I Iraq is part of the terrorist war. And we've got to remember objects in the terrorist war on us and as we explained that as I have many times in the past. What we will explained as it precipitous retreat. From Iraq. Is part of being on defects not being an office."

" Not an issue number two we're -- and illegal immigration secure our borders identify every non citizen our -- I remember he you know he -- If you've you've done well in the debates I've agree with what you said about the illegal immigration -- you know I read the New York papers every -- I seem to recall you was being sort of Proehl. A YE a lot easier shall we say on illegal aliens that when you were the mayor."

" Well I I wasn't easy illegal illegal aliens last -- I had no it started to think about illegal aliens -- that the federal government. Did not deport any more than about 22000 people a year I had 400000 illegal immigrants sort undocumented immigrants. So the reality what I had to figure out how to deal with. They weren't going to deport them. So where was I going to deal with the EU mainly in New York and make the whole situation much much worse. What I can deal with them intelligently which is what I try to -- here I can get example -- federal government is not able to deport illegal immigrants from New York. So they were 5060000 children cubicles. That are here do you put them at school what got you of course you put of school because if you keep -- home. Who knows what that's going to happen right now how bad are things going to be three how to make practical choices like that. I would still make those choices this thing but. What I would do if I had the chance as president if and illegal immigration there's nothing good to -- out of illegal immigration we should end it. I was in the Justice Department under Ronald Reagan I did everything I could and illegal immigration I had the authority which have as president. You don't need new -- President Bush right now to end illegal immigration. If he deployed to border patrol. Still the sense what would you use the border step program the way we used to -- step program to reduce crime. So you move to border -- to the right places and then have a temple -- fight Decourt. For everybody to come into the United States from outside."

" What would be your advice for President Bush as he goes up to Capitol Hill and a flail away at this immigration that this failed immigration bill would you tell him to war. To forget about it as I."

" Let's I sort of want to -- articles the paper they wanted to Republican senators I think that's estimates say the same thing get get the get the security thing right first. And then you have the credibility to ask for everything else for the work do those parts right now that you can do build arrested offense. You could use say technological sense for the rest of the border camera equipment heat seeking equipment. Go ahead increased support petroleum already have the authorization to do that go ahead do that. Utilize a contest that -- that kind of program what to deploy them correctly by regulation create a single to ample proof ID card that everybody has to have. And promised that you'll work toward having database that has been named in -- of every single person in this country from outside the country with -- you're 18 months."

" Now I know he answered this question you are you talked about it yesterday at the press -- for Janet geeky in house that there that your fund three. And direct them but. Why we're having a Baltimore or looks like we're having a vote of the joint session of the legislature on whether or not -- put the question of -- gay marriage on the ballot next year in Massachusetts do you think the people should have a right to decide whether this game urgent messages."

" So messages I think you have to do because she. To figure court decides yes the supreme judicial court happened constitutional yes -- the yesterday's budget I think 43 vote by the way."

" I think you have to have a short minutes if they're saying if if your record as saying that matches constitution requires same sex marriage which I find very hard to believe but -- constitution would require."

" Given New York the New York court hasn't found that have a."

" Now on a church very similar constitute but any of its accord has found -- then you have to have. It -- the people to determine if you're going to amend the constitution so you preserve marriage as between being a man and a woman so. I don't think there's any choice about that would only be fair to a lot of people Massachusetts to decide it rather kind of so propose -- on the constitution"

" 18774694322 witnesses Rudy Giuliani Rudy what are you gonna go on TV in New Hampshire I mean there's a big -- in the New York Times that -- our governor Mitt Romney -- spent four million boxes and he's just firing away and there's no return return fire on."

" We're not we're not concerned about. But governor Romney or John McCain it was just concerned about our own camp and we've been on television actually evidently been on radio a couple of times we will but we're not we're not concerned about it he's he's running his campaign -- running artists and there's a long way to go. He's very comfortable about New Hampshire I think New Hampshire he's more confident you. Well there's -- February February or worry that the is that this race is going to go. Two two to the ones who have the most -- strategy and I hope that excessive could be somebody else but I hope that so I wouldn't get worried about. Somebody being ahead -- some maybe being behind you know some polls summit ahead by 1415 points. Nationally some were ahead by five or six points. Other people albeit have been head of probably will get Lisa it is ready to open what Fred Thompson what do you say -- great. I think the more people to get in the better. I think that mind I believe that my message is in the -- That will win the Republican nomination and that is a message of being strong on terror being very very strong to preserve the growth economy. I believe -- by far the most fiscally conservative candidate in the race I had the most executive experience. I've I've I've run a government. For a long time. That is of most similar to running something like the United States of America -- things like -- states of America but at least it's. It's similar to in scope and size it's the third largest government in the country. And I -- during two very difficult time. When New York was a crime capital of America and having a terrible fiscal problem and then during the attack September 11. So I look at this as these -- the things that I have to offer in running as a candidate for president and if you think somebody else's federal god bless you -- to somebody else."

" Let's let's take some calls for a Rudy Giuliani the mayor of New York and Republican candidate for president -- your first with how we card Rudy Giuliani go ahead coach."

" Yeah Ali -- ride on patio you however it right -- I think -- who have right now would terrorism that site to Democrats that they needed were dead. But you have -- we're working with other countries which Beijing ways. We're commerce not only military political and your right aren't you know what's going on you're gonna keep the --"

" I'm I'm actually glad to get noticed that it in in the 12 commitment that we make and we're going to point that out of much more detailed I'm really glad that you noticed that the part. The part of this is military intelligence it's being strong and tough but the other part of it is. Engaging people getting involved doing more commerce with them. Getting to learn the Middle East better getting them to -- us. There's a lot the can be accomplished they'll also and -- side to this that also have to be emphasized the topside of this sort side don't negate each other. Notes that basically a leader has been no there are different things you use a different circumstances. And there are a lot of opportunity for commerce and business with the Middle East."

" Thanks for the call -- Joe your next with how point guard Rudy Giuliani go ahead Joan."

" I've mr. Giuliani I don't tell you I'm five and I think you are a magnificent candidates. For Republicans presidency. I I've watched I've seen you on TV I've heard all your fumes. And I think that this country would be in in terrific shape if you were nominated and elected and I also would love to say. I think newt Gingrich as Vice President and affect --"

" You'll think. I don't -- it's up for that Jones part of Gingrich as a candidate for president or Vice President the one thing you can be sure he would shake things up. I look at a."

" He's so brilliant and your list so I'll prove. Everything you do it and you are what you've just said is magnificent --"

" Thanks for the call -- 1877 I resist that I can -- campaign organ coming -- the I think she works at city hall by the way watching what is it the other -- Let's -- Larry you're you're next with how we card Rudy Giuliani go ahead though Larry"

" Take a little issue about your statement about the broken education system Helen like what -- almonds. I'm -- to -- I see -- the teacher ball I'll I'll -- by saying god bless -- she does on important work."

" Not -- Not quite easily as you -- OK but."

" I'm I don't -- that that it a broken education system as much as it is that I want the kids are not being taught the basics. Before they get to school. A lot of kids today they are wrong but the stories I hear from my life would like six curl out air. --"

" At all that it going to be taught them discipline it's -- be -- respect. Is going to be -- the base."

" Larry what I want to do Larry if you if you shut your kids make no. In the know what they're -- what do you mean what is what are you supposed to do you want to get your kids out of that's that broken system I agree with Rudy it's broken. Go ahead."

" And if you are if you -- not in a broken system -- great -- you don't you don't need to take advantage of this usually -- kids where they are. But if you are -- broken system this gives you an option. The present at the study and you're right Larry is that you know when you say broken system if I said that I don't need to say that generally. Some places are broken. Some places artist someplace that terrific so if if if a parent dissatisfied. With the education their child is getting that everything remains exactly as it is but it we're prepared as unsatisfied the idea is to give parents more options. I think your wife is doing heroic work and being a teacher. I think it's a wonderful thing to be a teacher I just think at a we want to pay teachers more money I think we should. But it should be based on performance which should be based on if they -- a good job they get a lot of money. But not doing a good job it'll get as much as the person who's doing a good job."

" Thanks for the caller that's anathema to the teachers unions as you well."

" But you know if you don't do that if you don't make -- performance based. That you can't help but it if if if I have to play the -- at an -- to talk about after the latest dynamited everybody I'm going to get. I'm going to get deteriorating performance that's sort of a socialist system everybody get --"

" What they would say is like yeah yeah I can't you know I can't go into what class every they would -- to strike against me that's -- that's it's a lame excuse everybody goes in with a -- to strike right. But anyway Rudy Giuliani thank our enormous pleasure okay ordered him back -- OK we'll see you again very soon I held. That's Rudy Giuliani 1877469432 to you what you -- about this weekend them now. Darden"