Frank Keating 4-2-07

" Joining us now is a former Oklahoma governor frank Keating. And -- governor -- we appreciate your being with us and -- you're here is a as this as a surrogate I guess for a John McCain correct."

" That is correct ballot which -- now that I make former governor I have passed obscurity into oblivion if I can call you have always circuit probably breakfast. Well I just lose big light is -- yes I am as matter fact I know John -- long time I am for him I admire him greatly I think he's a true patriots. And precisely the person Cantonese that I -- it I'll be happy to respond to questions or comments."

" Okay -- will take some calls a pretty wants to talk about the general political scene you can give us a call 187746943221877469432 -- why I have to say frank. That you know these don't seem like they're the best of times for John McCain's campaign you know he's he's he's now trailing Rudy and in just about all the polls. In amber the the quarterly financial statements came out and he's he's -- He in -- rob the -- raised almost twice as much money is as as your your man. And Rudy is also way ahead of him in the money raising feel that -- why why is he not going to be these conservative events he -- he he was a no show what she packed there was another one over the weekend I know it was and I Iraq but you know we don't Jeff -- a lot and I try to -- the faithful."

" I think you have to would have faithful and I think as one of the faithful -- an economic and social conservative from day one as as a member of the Oklahoma State house and senate. 30 years ago I think you're right and and matter of fact I think care. In the future an organization like feedback ought to hear from John McCain because how are the reason I made the decision to support John McCain. It's because he's the only person in the race who has consistently since 1986. And I pro life candidate. Who has consistently been against pork. Who has consistently been the patriots a person who has brutalized and savaged. As a prisoner of war and in Vietnam and I didn't know John McCain I mean I would say George bush guy in 2000. I'm not against he's got a as a mean going back at a fund raising. Obviously met Ronnie had eight. Tremendous first week if you but he -- digit in the polls can all this money getting out of the single digit."

" Were saying you don't want to bid up in for Massachusetts would hate to see -- up as the John Connolly of the 21 century."

" well you know I think I bedrock base five person I don't have anything against him but I want somebody who is consistent and in this case it was you know -- gay marriage and four abortion rights and now against emerge against abortion rights and I've read think that you read that they have indicated -- they had a yep me and flexibility."

" Weather -- like sting and well into his."

" It has attitude about issues -- report -- may what what really greatly with McCain is that since 1986. You know he's 67 times I think it was voted against federal funding abortion twice to overturn Clinton's veto of the partial birth abortion ban harassment."

" He's also voted again governor Keating against tax cuts hasn't he voted against the bush tax cuts which of really help the economy overlap."

" You know something I think that's a very very good point and I talked about that I think for me I happen to be a supply -- I think. You cut taxes certainly -- income tax rates and you will stimulate savings and investment. The 2003 tax package or the proposed that savings interest and dividends -- it's 0%. But those list another investor class to pay no taxes those of us who work will pay 35 it was proposed 35% markovic compromise and that the 15%. I wouldn't be -- that either. But McCain's view as we have to focus on this out of control deficit we got to do that first before you start thinking about tax cuts. I -- as the supply -- only got to have a little boat. You stand McCain fine and I didn't think it was adequate it's a mistake. To interfere where I right or just right person that's right I agree but I look at these candidates I see. Well pretty is for abortion he's for gay marriage -- Wives were these four civil under all I think yes civil unions Rudy has brought us Bernie kerik you know I I just that bothers me and also as the governor problem during the -- city bombing but also -- about as it is pretty got rich on 9/11 I've -- accepted. It anything having to do with Oklahoma City was always donated. It was in the moral or source scholarship fund to help their kids lost -- 230 kids lost. There are seven kids lost one of their parents in the bombing so I mean. That's on a backboard in its case that bothered may as good a person's I think he has the flip flopping. And -- case consistently against pork. Consistently pro gay pro -- A life and consistently against they ever mounting -- old. That is an issue but I want that out as he invited me get out of South Carolina with him. And he's a solid as a rock and you know I went to bed and he was still up. And I think -- is it's 70. Certainly a grandfather as I am a gray headed guy. But I think at this stage in her life of our country I want somebody is mature as a patriot who knows what he believes and has believed it and this humble -- thing. We needed Abraham like can someone who has humility is willing to listen to somebody in John Annette green two days when I was sitting."

" Just afraid -- the Lindsey Graham. Yeah I just don't you said he needs to Ulysses willing to listen to people I'm afraid Lisa Humphries willing to listen Lindsey Graham."

" I asked you got that one thing. Power he would tell us what is the worst and I was I was present at the creation of the rifle I opened my state. It always have been consistently paid social and economic conservatives and in this race -- these top three people. John McCain humility when it next to me I think where he -- excellent point and extent that I can play a -- and analysts and we need to be present."

" It really -- off another when this weekend play as they told the government he got it got out yeah. But I mean sometimes you gotta make it Detroit can you stick around for a while her okay hold on what takes we've got four lines here. People want to talk to you so 18774694322 will take some calls for a former governor of Oklahoma frank Keating. I'm Howard -- 1877469432218774694322 three. Toll free number of the Howie -- show. But escaped and they were told you about earlier Billy Jack if it's more assessment captured in Youngstown 110 caught victor rides away okay 18774694322 joining us again is former governor frank Keating of Oklahoma he is a a partisan supporter of Senator John McCain and that's that's -- he's here. To what to discuss were discussing the race before we have full lines and before -- back Colombo governor Keating if I don't mention this -- they get the heat from my listeners later broad. You know what John McCain he was he would he would Ted Kennedy were behind this site amnesty bill in the congress the last session. And that now why now John McCain's running for present he's kind of backed away from a but the do you agree with that proposal would provide what amounts to -- he says it isn't. And the president says it isn't but it really is amnesty for millions of illegal aliens."

" I think most of us are conservatives would agree. You can't put 11 -- people in cattle cars and shipped them Guatemala or Mexico. What bothers and I'm an -- FBI agent. -- US attorney and in my past flat -- the Cust service at treasury immigration service of justice reported an -- what bothers us. Is that what happened at 86 -- you know we we got a bill that did and the size a lot of people sensing his need to keep the border open. So what you gotta do is record in this volatile Senator McCain if a passport or non got a credible ID card for every single person gets a job the United States. Then I think everyone is willing to talk about regular rising 11 knowing people absent that no you can't. They okay all of you 1190 and stick around and rocketed electric."

" But as for governor Keating that he wants if you if you call if you say regular rise 11 million people than they could start bringing in all their relatives I mean."

" that's a very good point I think. We need to address this issue family solidarity because you know you affect you -- your -- one person you have seven or eight or nine."

" And then they bring in all there -- they -- regular rise all of their relatives."

" Right those are issues that have to be resolved. In good faith and with an open mind let me by the way before capture collars let me mention that I got this fundraising -- asking I didn't answer it. You know that Ronnie was very impressive in this this quarter but his numbers are the single digits will all this money helping -- but for me changing positions on these issue raises serious problems Serbia with conservatives. Suddenly both Rudy Giuliani and John McCain were roughly in the same neighborhood in terms of fund raising. I think that's significant. I mean I'm not. Worried about a there are a lot of minds that we have a year -- and choose a candidate lost probably want to check that because another six months after that. But what Tom left -- and with. With Phil Gramm both former congressman former senator. Taking over the fundraising operation I think you'll see some impressive countries."

" I think -- ten million bucks last month that's that's you've got to say that pretty impressive that's that's above Hillary Clinton numbers."

" Oh yeah I mean they are just lot of money I took you know as a Nokia can kind of wish we had money like that there's. Eric got have a lot of money pretty have a lot of friends that."

" Oki was the -- at a critical -- I can't call you know -- have yourself a note is that our works."

" Allied now actually actually -- the governor react back in the 60s said it was a term at a Democrat ever quite agree with that. But you know its fiber they've got they get in Oklahoma as an Okie I wish we had. More that folding money but the reality is Rudy is going to be able to raise a lot of money the question is will all of these positions. The Bernie kerik the mission that you know the program in any guess pro gay marriage and pro. Abortion position have an impact what people looking for leadership I think that's why he's done well."

" I guess being an -- you haven't seen the New York Post today governor sorry she never well -- you know while Rupert is Rupert supposedly has made his peace with Hillary Clinton and that would when -- goes goes with a candidate he goes all the way. Let me -- region the headline in the first summits of the story this is the second day of the -- by the way. Judy's job with -- killer firm. I heard about Elliott said he didn't know we just region the first the Senate's the the lead. Jurist Giuliani once demonstrated surgical products for controversial medical supply company that used dogs who were later killed. In operations whose only purpose was to sell equipment to doctors. Wow."

" Carried out one of those articles that you wish everybody was that I'm glad -- I'd UNR Redick was coming right now that that's not me."

" And the picture -- hug and a dog at the same time this you know this really resonates more with the American people like governor Keating with -- birdie Carrick -- I think Iraq. Okay let's make some calls for a governor Keating Kevin you're next with Howie -- governor frank Keating go ahead Kevin"

" alleys governor governor I would love to hochberg guy like John McCain however. You know he because of his age and other things but I mean you know he's excited with the Democrats so many times I mean is campaign finance bill. Gave rise to groups like move land battle -- you know -- if he comes from Phoenix in his stance immigration I mean doesn't he realize that Phoenix is one of the worst hit states by this."

" Listen I don't disagree with -- saying I was not in paper this first cut -- immigration reform and certainly I'm not a McCain Feingold guy but let me tell it from me I'm looking for consistency. Someone who has consistently been a concerted anti pork. And pro life and McCain always has been -- suddenly I'm looking for somebody who's the hero. A man on -- on a horse you know a statue this big guy I could never have gone through what you went through in Vietnam I would recommend you. His book that I read about it way in just about a month ago faith of my fathers about his. Service and suffering for our country and yet I'm -- at the profound impact on the and number three -- like somebody who take our duty without regard whether they have art or DS to their taste good everything you said. Pressed on the -- I like somebody's cutting pork and telling the members of congress including members are part of Republicans you guys are spending too much money."

" governor you know I I know that you know you you were there at Oklahoma City and you -- the governor and you know you've talked about that but I mean don't should think Rudy Giuliani was a hero for what he did after two after nine elevenths."

" Yes see what's I don't take that away from him at all -- and I think that is the reason he has win and at -- under his."

" Thanks for the call Kevin -- you're next with how we card governor frank Keating go ahead dec"

" I I governor I mean I realize this snake pit that you've answered by a couple of we killed went well allow me to be once they like to fail on its. I will never vote for John McCain McCain Feingold. Trap decades it's it's it's just that but the immigration issue from a editor. Whose home state is so affected by the illegal alien invasion. To not do anything about it you said that we can't ship 11 million of them back well. We start right now after the -- to put down what the -- at these bills yeah we can't and will succeed."

" Well I mean I don't. I don't agree I have to say that you know you need men and women of Goodwill from all of it coming together try to resolve this. I mean people who are individuals who committed crimes. People who are going to be wards of the state. Those kinds of individuals there's no question they should not be admitted and they can't be returned but I'm -- the United States to have this this image. Of -- putting bunch of people ripping kids out of their parents' arms because the children organized it is you know are American citizens I think that other ways of."

" Another allotted me what you did changing."

" Yeah I mean I don't disagree with that Howard I'm just saying that the image of all that is awful but why is it that we conserve these. Are so upset about the illegal. Immigration invasion is because we know we're not doing anything about it and our borders or risk and I our callers correct that we have to do is now."

" There's also double there's also a double standard governor Keating I mean you know old illegal aliens you know could they they commit identity -- there there are they don't pay taxes they crowd the emergency rooms they drive without licenses in there's an -- they don't they just generally conduct themselves in manners that would get an American thrown into jail they just give -- an --"

" Well -- a lot of them are. Wonderful people decent law abiding hardworking people -- pay taxes by the way the process this little girl they are illegal I just -- Every country has to secure its borders and we have to do that we've made no effort. Successfully to do so and the thanks I gotta give McCain credit or at least he's out there trying to resolve problems instead of kicking and -- but the path for example right now energy security the absence of national states the immigration problem. All of these are province just kept on down the road for the next president obviously deficit spending. They these are huge problems Medicare Medicaid Social Security that somebody has got to. -- on the bipartisan basis. And I happen don't like someone who act more like it just like that laughed like a center that gets people's faces and say we resolve this I don't agree with George bush."

" Try to do something about Medicare and medicated noise and that the Democrats had had that no stomach for."

" I want -- I think I think you know I think President Bush is to be faulted pulled off too quickly a lot of these debates a lot of these arguments but again we've got we've got three good people running. For president at the top team now could there be others afterwards we'll -- right now I went down to to South Carolina never really knew McCain. Saw as sensitive caring person less than it was humble. And it had decided views on matters like abortion and like spending deficit sides agree. So I'm on board"

" facial called that John you're next with how -- car and governor frank Keating go ahead John."

" Ali -- going to happen -- hi John from Springfield, Massachusetts. I'm Ojinnaka request of the governor bayh I want -- wire support you and John McCain. I served with John McCain commander McCain on the USS forestall. And later analyze what I was in the -- treason army guard they activated me Saddam invaded Kuwait like the second the third. A lot of 1990 and I get sent to Oklahoma City the Oklahoma military academy. And we were trained opinions he had immediate and we were -- were treading automatic at a high. Come to find out the OT would not tell on the people about the chemical problems over there. Now the only question I have the only concern I have -- Commander McCain ran for president is why -- if Iraq gets and the couple to a Telerate. And she accepts them for Vice President he dropped out of the presidential what an agent and walk and."

" It's going to be tough for us Republicans in 2008 I think the war. The deficit the campaign finance scandals one of the reasons I think McCain pushed for some kind of campaign finance reform at least things are going to hurt us but I think people need to sit back and say. And step back and say what the country faces the -- that the most serious decade in its history. Morse -- of the civil war more so quite -- in the gulf war these are crazy people with nuclear weapons. Who is an adult who protect us. And I think. You know -- someone who's been tortured that they -- impresses me I appreciate you which had about commander -- but what impressed me. When you read this book is that here at an aggressive -- they -- right in the face -- Vietnamese captors and told what can it treat that three person."

" to -- Angola -- that -- turned -- an opportunity -- Yeah -- tortured him when you know Jane Fonda came -- every time they wanted to make a statement John McCain. Never buckled and coming back isn't credible -- I can do it day after day month after month year after year. Never buckling all -- game your country or standing here. Your co prisoners I mean this is -- I think physical and moral and metal -- but I think the country."

" Thanks for the call John Steve you're next with Howie Carr and former governor frank Keating of Oklahoma go ahead Steve."

" Our problem is -- McCain the more liberal could get them elected because you got to the Democrats now that he's getting the all of the country. Is looking for somebody that's a little bit more conservative he's -- consider them again. You know I I I appreciate it is that bottom. I don't want to president is going to side with the Democrats one day. And then the conservative in the next -- that's what John McCain has shown and you talk about that consistency he hadn't shown it's."

" Well you know respectfully disagree I think on issues anatomy the deficit spending pork. -- issues basic conservative values issues he's never ever -- That is not the case with a number the other people who are running -- in both parties for the presidency and secondly I would much rather. And as a conservative Republicans the day I. -- I would much rather have someone -- way to get mySpace and -- that the Republican figure wrought on the Democrat you're right I think what the country desperately needs. Is the best and brightest ideas and a concerted ideas slightly from both sides and of the people I've looked as is presidential candidate. John is the one that I most admire that way and the most are most respect and a guy who's cute humble and I think that's important willing to listen and -- You know and everybody else. Lot of these guys don't that they think that they created the world and it or less than anybody you don't."

" The -- is all for you know we're all due respect to you governor Keating and we Yuri Yuri an eloquent spokesman for your -- but for for conservatives. Taxes immigration the First Amendment pose a real big issues do it on our side."

" Some of those in -- were hit -- I I've got to say you know it if this campaign of John McCain's is successful and it's John McCain -- Anxious to have your advice I'd bison -- callers advise. And I can't be noisy on the right I don't think you should interfere with people's first them right to speak but the came would -- But the corruption and money the -- mosque in campaigns. -- scandal."

" A different way government decides who who gets who gets I don't I'll take the moth over mister -- government censor it yeah."

" I don't act I group that this -- and a campaign purposes day and arguments after the joint. On you know on the tax issue I happen to believe and damaged if the -- you had a heart rate does stimulate savings investment and count. McCain's view as these deficits are out of control. We we should stop. Excessive government and the first there a lot of people would agree and so I on immigration. You gotta have people coming together to figure out -- obvious stop the flow and what do you do about conscientious people working hard -- have been here for number are we can work it out as a people we've got to. And we're going to have to take some good Democrat ideas and Republican ideas hopefully Balkans."

" Certain ideas is. Thanks for the call Steve John you're next with how we car and governor frank Keating go ahead John."

" On issue -- I think John McCain at the -- candidate who wasn't 2000. And certainly ought to be specific there are a lot of moderate Republican there appreciate -- debt and deficit spending and on the strongest that. And thought it was just true stroke of leadership when he stood out. And specifically in Europe reference to Jerry Falwell and pat Robertson. Called them agents of intolerance. We're saying that god was punishing US citizens immoral behavior what a split."

" A lot but now we goes to their I assume you're gonna make the point that now he goes and speaks to one of their schools right."

" That would that would leadership governor Keating endorse social conservatives and didn't want to conservatives like that. Audited and what this -- and he races reverend Falwell go to speak at Bob Jones University. When knowing that separation of church in any. You all Republican value and is part of the foundation this country is based on -- people should you know what. --"

" Governor -- well I believe that. In the fallout case and and the Bob Jones cases as I recalled both of those individuals asked to speak to McCain and ask him to come and speak. I would've done precisely the same thing I think. On the right the last. The tolerance the intolerant American citizens all those of us. Have been elected a public positions or seek to be elected to public positions should attempt to persuade every one of art thinking. Even if we disagree with them at the outset and you know. My greatest support base in Oklahoma --"

" Like I was going to point that out I don't I don't -- Bob Jones is a big Bob Jones traditionally is not a big fan of Catholics is."

" No that I don't I'm just saying I'm saying that Howard that. My great support base on my social you know first urgent mission in the country. Banning partial birth abortion a chemist out where the southern Baptist assembly of god groups well there -- years ago not too many years -- they were Catholic couldn't. Possibly get elected and they like Oklahoma but because we talked to each other now we understand that not everybody has warned and we can't try to find -- middle."

" The dead ball was -- he was a helluva guy wasn't he really hated Catholics that -- after -- capital. I do work I yeah I know --"

" Ivan well in Oklahoma so I -- saying if if Falwell or or pat Robertson whoever may be absent need to come and I'd had a tips for them I'd -- and I take telling exactly what I believe why I believe it most of them respect we don't trust respect we agree on."

" that telling us and thanks for your time and by the way thanks for all you do that. Played out public corruption and during the Catholic Church I was -- that Ascap the keyboard all your help manage the operation."

" Thank you thanks thanks governor Keating. That's governor frank Keating I'm Sherwood and get everybody I apologize to Margaret the other 1877469432 to -- we --"

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