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" Who was who who -- much the publisher of the magazine. He guy's name is it is Robert Harrison and it was Robert Harrison. In and he started out publishing girlie magazines actually started out working for the evening graphic which was of paper in New York in the 1920s was famous for putting out. Pictures of of people in the putting the putting the hit it posing pictures and importing the heads of famous people want it. -- do that at a trial -- somebody was charged with having sex with an underage girl that put his face on it with a picture right of a young girl. Very sleazy Burma that was his name this guy's name was Robert Harrison. Guy Henry Scott you whether -- I will listen it's a pleasure to have you whether send I really enjoyed reading your book -- lot of fun again I. And I I I Saudi I read an interview when you said that you know you would that you were reading LA confidential a New York's our reference in this guy's Fred old cash. And that the private detective that was in charge of digging up dirt Hollywood. And diet and that's. I I I forgot all about Robert Harrison until idea until I read LA confidential myself but what you a lot of people are gonna know what we're talking about here with -- what what was confidential magazine what did you tell us."

" Confidential legacy was the the first really big scandal legacy in this country and dump it -- in particular. And what made it different. Was it was a scandal leg is seen -- by and large --"

" Will be if had to tell the truth is that what otherwise would get into trouble with the a libel laws."

" Well that was true that was -- com and indeed the magazine did did an amazing job Robert Pierson who was the publisher spent a lot of money. On sourcing period stories and hiring people like Prado test -- expected. Two to go well can double checked facts. Providing his -- His prostitute informants with Bruce watches the microphones embedded of them all in the service -- stand making a buck."

" Ed you know the thing is. You you don't use you forget sometimes how old sort of straight laced America was at the time men and how old you know there was I mean that. Button human nature never really changes but. These people didn't write about it like they do now I can remembers a kid I was thinking about this today's enormous McLarty. A verbal reading of drew Pearson columns like in the sixties and they don't get a reference to bourbon in by being congressman Mendel rivers. And I like my eyes almost popped out bourbon -- I think they were calling it drew Pearson was calling this congressman this committee chairman a drunk. You know again -- and you just didn't know stuff like that -- and -- confidential magazine went a lot further than math I mean they they accused well what it tells what the intent to --"

" Well kept under -- made history he was. About to appear in a movie. Major movie was -- in a major movie he was that tough guy who was -- US army unit of marine unit of the Korean war. And they reveal that he had been arrested many years before edit all male pajama party. And one of the things confidential did in some cases they came right out and set it. In other cases it's all but said it in UC wonderfully literate language. List of Scott for example -- said she was -- lesbian -- she preferred the company of baritone they. And they pointed out that her name was founded a cold cold my address book."

" You know it. They edit it again that you didn't have scanning standing in those days you did -- have by Internet tapped steps she didn't have by you don't unanimity of -- the technological advances. I mean these guys had to do real passion in the detectives. They had to do real research they had to go out and get affidavits from people right they had actually should be old documents. Out of safes."

" They know they absolutely did and and and some of those sources the -- had to take this step further they actually get to sleep with the number of people that they were later gonna write about. And there was a fantastic source named Francesco discover who described herself as the prince's. Seriously have him do Venezuelan whatever background out. --"

" Well you would think though that -- I reporters are -- what can be how to how could she get away with us after you know she she birds. -- one or two people I mean you would think people would sort of start to figure out that everybody that she was so that she was sleeping with for money was ending up in confidential magazine."

" Well I I think that was an issue and it's one reason why she reached back into the past. And that that made the magazine very dangerous for Hollywood because you know you're tab under your arrested at an all male pajama party and ten years before and you know there's no news about it. You have a new name tab under. You're in the movies and then suddenly this magazine reaches back a decade and what's the story out of nowhere."

" 1877469432218774694322. We're talking to. Henry Scott and he's written a book about call -- confident that -- shocking true story the rise and fall confidential America's most scandalous. Scandal magazine that they made they made a lot of money off despite I was trying I was trying to figure out how much they could make you know I've would be the cost like a quarter correct."

" Yes in the end in this was part of the brilliance of Bob -- business model. In the 21 since a magazine which doesn't select a lot today obviously it was much more spectrum. And reducing the magazine very cheaply produced I have I have copies of all of them and they're falling apart as we speak. The cheap paper. So it didn't cost too much to produce some magazine. So he made his maiden nice fortune millions of dollars simply off the charging people for copy. Now what's important about that was he didn't rely on advertising income so he could be held hostage by the studios."

" But he did have those silly ads in the back you have some sort things you like for a new trusses or some."

" Absolutely. But that was an important to him in terms of revenue other magazines really depended on Hollywood if you were the the local reporter variety you need to go to play you needed edge from Hollywood itself. And if you didn't play by Hollywood's rules you didn't get the average."

" So so what but -- the thing is like you said he had a he had a huge overhead view you cite one example where he sent some lawyer. Not -- cash but a lawyer to route to Europe. To just to just check out one single fact."

" Oh yes. Yet he east -- quarters -- and ninety cents to separate it certainly was and then of course he had a rather flamboyant lifestyle. This was a man who like to wear you know what white fedora and and -- coach and drive fancy car is in Esquire or Broadway -- around -- And in appear in only the best nightclubs. So what was expensive for him but he still managed to make a lot of money because -- magazine became the best selling magazine on the newsstands in the United States."

" And its one a lot of sort of offspring competitors right."

" Absolutely you know if the magazine eventually was all but put out of business -- that time it was it was really too late. Many other folks it's seen the opportunity here and it created around magazines. So Hollywood was never going to be deciding this studio is no longer have the power to control publicity about stars."

" 18774694322. If you wanna ask any questions about that confidential magazine or the Hollywood scandals of the 1950s. And the confidential magazine -- Leo one not. One magazine in the beginning that really I was really putting it. Putting it all out there for for the American people to seek. And we have the author of the book shocking true story and that's the that the sort of the the -- biography of the magazine a history of the magazine if you well. 18774694322. What's your favorite scandal that was reported by confidential."

" So precious sort of pick. -- I think the one I'd like most was the story they did about Ricky Ricardo. And you know it's Lucille Ball. Here -- rather and did here has his affair with a prostitute and I like -- history because you really pointed out what was different about confidential. Look magazine had a cover story -- little wonderful photographs. -- in Lucille Ball at their children portraying them as the the prototypical perfect Hollywood family. The very time confidential came out with a story about Ricky. Cheating on Lucy."

" Put it together like you said it happened a lot that these the example -- cited was years old."

" It was years old nevertheless. Nevertheless it had a hell of an impact. In part because Lucille Ball had reached a point in her life Rasheed was. Very insecure about her marriage and very insecure about her look so that have an impact on her personally. Ability you don't -- sometimes didn't pay attention to the little details. Like the fact that this that they -- really happen. At a point -- the two of them were separated. And you could make the argument that it wasn't quite what we've seen today."

" I didn't I didn't know this about Dick Powell and June Allyson you know I was wonder why he dumped -- for June -- myself but you know you mean she -- run and around bottom and I never forget how how could they put that in the how did they have any proof that she was running around behind."

" Well in many cases these that this sources for their stories were the people who were actually via the other party's. Responses. Immediately -- responded. At I don't know who the sources were exactly in the June Allyson story. But it was not a -- Or a star. Starlet to have an affair with someone who ended up realizing he or she could make a buck by calling confidential magazine. And sometimes these people -- confidential magazine and let their names to be used up a step that they were the source. Because they wanted to bask in the glory of being seen as someone who was having an affair with famous person. Not not unlike frankly celebrity's today."

" 1877469432. To the thing is now though you you can you can pick up this kind of stuff anywhere you know literally anywhere. And it's it it's ubiquitous and in those days though there was only this one place and that it was it was groundbreaking wasn't it."

" It it was and I think one of the things it's a different is now based. I'm you have press agency -- who don't do what they used to do an older and Hollywood which is try to keep this stuff out of oppressed. -- press agency go out and try to promote it. You have celebrity's in this Sarah who are celebrities for no discernible reason. -- Jon gosselin would not be I. Guessing -- full name. If he hadn't had been a -- outside of his marriage."

" Let's show was going pretty well well I guess wasn't a."

" Joe is doing well but the scandal is what has really gotten him a lot more publicity. And if so which interest rates scandal to day. It doesn't have the impact I think that's gamble did back in the fifties. And you could you know there was a drop."

" 18774694322. I think your caller to -- for a Henry Scott. He is the author of the new book shocking true story the rise and fall of confidential America's most scandal scandal magazine. Eileen your next with how we card Henry Scott go ahead Eileen. -- Hold -- some trouble -- our phone lines that I obviously sorry about that call back I only if you want 1877469. 43. Two to. Now tell us about this is the whole thing without the daddy Maury Calhoun he was that he was like cowboy actor back in the fifties and they they had they they have enough they they weren't what does that he was. He was sold down the river and they thought they were -- down the river but it actually worked out well form because they were trying to keep something else quiet right."

" The biggest story confidential. Ever had was history it didn't published and that was the story of rockets and the fact that he was case. And it was one of the few times confidential pull back and in what confidential was offered in exchange was the story worry Calhoun."

" That doesn't sound like a fair trade to make."

" It doesn't sound like a fair -- doesn't. And in the story of Rory Calhoun was that he had been a criminal he had engaged in some felonious. Steps early on in his life. And the interesting thing was it had a very different impact. Despite the fact that they ran a picture of worry Calhoun. A mug shot if you will taken by a police department. The audience embraced Rory Calhoun is as a tough guy and they think his popularity --"

" Again that's another big difference now you have entire web sites devoted to mug shots of famous people right I mean they had your press the press agents tell you how to smile for the mug shots you know -- angry -- the most I'm sure they work I'm sure cost them hundreds of dollars to get -- mug shot out of voted out of somewhere in Texas or wherever was."

" So absolutely. Willing to pay the money you know that's the interesting thing about that operation. Stated they unlike some other publications. State they were willing to pay the money they needed to pay to make this work."

" 18774694322. Let's where should we gonna get some calls go in this time Eileen you're next with Howie Carr and Henry Scott author of the new book about confidential magazine go ahead Eileen."

" Analogous. The I believe I lead. Okay let's try what do we try -- bond house that lets see -- let's see if later crime happens and we go to cabin and hang on there are only cab and you there. Yeah yeah okay go ahead -- It's America. -- over here. And settle for a real radio stations to go ahead cabinet."

" Went from bad in the fifties start JFK was running around like a dog bit broke a leash now what he was just going for awhile Hollywood roughshod and the other will -- the boat. Kato walked should be impossibly gay or bisexual the -- just wondered if this -- have recovered any of the Kennedy scandal or -- the family would be --"

" You -- we didn't cover the Kennedys gambled and I'm not clear why I think one of the reasons was well all the magazines get some. So exposes some politic. It's focused more on Hollywood when it came to sex and it's focused what are wrote about politicians on other sorts of scandals ties to. To the Communist Party alleged ties and that sort of thing."

" Well also I think judge Joe Kennedy was Joe Kennedy was kind of a guy who played -- and I think I'm sure Robert Harrison knew that right. Then maybe you're right you're right how many how many -- at the -- the -- the way out of a confidential was what 1954. To 1957."

" 52 there was little -- December so really 1953 in 1957."

" Yes so is -- he was a back venture basically at that point in the yes she noticed prominent actually did have a prominent yeah these are gonna sell to many public use I would that they went that they went you know they went heavy with Marilyn Monroe that's for sure those were the biggest sellers ever Marilyn Monroe right."

" Marilyn Monroe was what convinced Bob -- that Hollywood moos was where the readers where. -- he himself. Really was not interested in Hollywood he was a New York Playboy and -- to play. Where is the -- girls on Broadway store. Absolutely picked off Hollywood it's no small category right. But when he did his first big Roman -- story. And -- the circulation sore he realized Hollywood was what America it's curious."

" He had a nice cheese -- photo on the cover you'll see if you get the book that I mean I think that moves more copies of the magazine as well that now."

" Oh yeah he he was you know in any made. Famous some some cover girls liked. Bettie Page for example. And he he was fantastic event and of course before he started this magazine. He was in the girlie magazine business with magazines like trigger --"

" That's a hell that's a hell of a story about the that Joe DiMaggio and Frank Sinatra breaking into the apartment I mean that that would be huge story even today with -- I mean that tell -- what -- audience about. Goes yeah that was a big story a confidential broke."

" It was it was an amazing story Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe had already gotten divorced but Joe DiMaggio couldn't quite forget Maryland and one night is sitting at a bar. In Hollywood getting to run current Drucker and he should work that Maryland is having an affair where -- voice coach and -- house not far away. He decides he's gonna go over to that -- bust that door down and find out what's going on. The owner of the restaurant it was a friend it is -- alarm actually have good Q was he called some other bodies including Frank Sinatra. And before long had a policy of maybe six guys all determined to go over there and do what Joe wanted to keep chill --"

" Including two the most famous guys in America. Joe DiMaggio and Frank Sinatra and."

" Frank Sinatra. And some private detectives armed with big flash camera."

" So that was a good move cutting the detectives in on the head as slow as it turned out."

" So they they convince -- luxurious stay outside. And they they they ran a majority down you know -- plant planning on busting in on Maryland in bad weather voice coach. They start -- the cameras and this terrified little lady named Lawrence Ross cuts. Jumps out of prepared. Amazed to see in her bedroom one of the most famous men in America Frank Sinatra and lots of flash -- going off. Com it was a it was a scandal. The scandal that was buried for awhile until one of the detectives who had a bit of an alcohol problem and an income problem. Judge got the violence over the confidential."

" Again that would be Sega again that nowadays that would be just -- you know it everything would be on email you just forward it to somebody you know -- easier than that but this guy actually had the -- go into somebody's office and and break into the office and I open AAE. A cal lock box a cabinet. And -- and steal this I mean that's the thing I mean it was so primitive compared to use the technology that's available now for this kind of thing."

" And you know this magazine came out once every two months so even after doing that in leaking it it took awhile before on this story got out."

" It was every too much about it was every month."

" No no no he he came out what you -- amounts so he made the big fortune publishing a magazine that came out once every two months. An amazing amazing story even The Wall Street Journal wrote to front page stories about how successful distance."

" Will talk about what happened in the end that it and it it's it it's and that's a pretty amazing story choke hold on Henry will be right back with you will take some more calls if -- interest that is not confidential magazine in the scandals of the fifties the -- the scandal sheet did that be -- to everything that now exist. -- another tawdry world of gossip that we all enjoy. 1877469432. To -- our car. 1877469432218774694322. That's the toll free number of the Howard -- awareness here. Is. Henry he's got he is the author of the new book about confidential magazine the first great scandal -- in America and magazine publishing. Confidential. It's the titled his book is shocking true story horizon fall of confidential America's most scandalous scandal magazine. A -- I think what we've got our phone problems fixed Henry wanna take some calls your -- before we go on talk about the Edmund G Pat Brown and his. In his campaign cash for -- G hot. Confidential magazine out earlier. -- your next -- powered car Ed Henry Scott author of shocking true story go ahead out."

" I. How Leo just -- they have first time a long time it's always -- the -- I was a young guy reading confidential magazine mighty --"

" Uncle always got the magazine I read it like religiously."

" You probably waited till he turned his back -- all but it didn't want a young guy like you remain confidential magazine."

" I mean again always like a magazine that came out you just thought you could read that kind of magazine but one of the stories that always struck me that I remembered. What the one that dealt with Maureen O'Hara going into a movie theater resigned his arms but I."

" He's got a chapter in the book on this story now."

" And there was elation and joy -- because the guy is looking she was facing the other way AM Mangini flying across three. -- I remember this story and you know I read I think I was going. -- As you know -- a IG don't didn't change yes that this was one other of the rare mistakes confidential made and it made this mistake. In part because some. Robert -- the publisher hired an editor who didn't have his same passion for fact checking. So the pretty much everyone agrees that Maureen O'Hara. It was a bit naughty in the back -- of course commons Chinese theater in Hollywood. With a Mexican man who wish her lover. And now what happened was confidential. Specified a date when this is supposed to happen and Marino era was able to pull out of passport improve -- on in London on that date. Back got confidential when did trouble. It was difficult for her to dispute any of the rest of it because several theater -- its single."

" Yeah she did she was they were the back row and they bay while basically well you can you can figured out for yourself what they were going you know she you know -- she climbed on top of the for lover. Well they weren't that the that that was another the -- yet. Why is a movies a movie star can't go to -- hotel room were motel room can't -- can't borrow a place from somebody what what the hell. Was going on there."

" She mustered just wanted to you know experience like like the rest of that process -- what -- give it up."

" But that was -- are you talking about this is how order Rushmore he was a guy that became editor and he kind of -- indeed he just. He was a big Boozer. And -- Agassi he liked what they call goof balls in those days and he just it was a crazy guy and he was any anti Communist crusader he thought he was like you know slumming by working for confidentially -- was the best job be whatever have been and -- got the magazine into trouble by not doing enough backtracked and right."

" By not doing enough fact checking -- got himself into trouble with his boss but I you know but -- really. Competing way to -- publicity and and public attention. And any really got himself into trouble by proposing to do a story on. One person that Robert -- was not gonna -- and that was. Eleanor Roosevelt. He proposed to do restoring the simple little unlikely today but. About the fact that according they had developed a little Roosevelt was both having an affair with her black male chauffeur and was the listings. Which -- like a bit of a contradiction in terms."

" You want the daily double. He wanted to daily royalties and passes. It and -- Harris said it was kind of willing to write about it he sank. You know came from -- Jewish immigrant family that worshipped for Roosevelt's Anderson something is not gonna have."

" That he in China Russia and Rushmore got the job could buy kind of sucking up to Walter Winchell right -- at a that was what he and again it's a being of being a Broadway type up Playboy guy Harrison. He of course worship Walter Winchell. I guess I you know one of these names year old now but but they -- these guys these were the biggest names in America at the time you know."

" Worry and Andy Harrison was very smart he he did just worshipped Walter Winchell -- He manipulated ultra which he figured early on that Walter Winchell had the biggest audience in America. So."

" you rely so columnist Andy had the biggest radio show ma certainly did Sunday night's."

" Certainly did and then eventually got on television. So scarce and decided to do stories about every one who would have ended Walter Winchell. So he began attacking Walter Winchell enemies and Walter -- look that he eventually called confidential this favorite Mac. And that's -- so circulation soared as well."

" Tell us about the the two would be the hookers and how they and and how they they used to hookers to to name all of these Hollywood celebs -- been. Patronizing prostitutes."

" But they had a particular record that that they they had a relationship -- some woman named Veronica -- known as Ronnie. And also known in Hollywood is disloyal to. -- beautiful woman though little thirty around the edges. And -- Ronnie had had her problems she. She managed to get into a number of -- fights with various lovers. Which she won most of which you won most of them absolutely. But she had but stable girl she is -- prosecute but she was -- matter -- and so she became the source for a number of stories including the -- history. So so she would which actually put some on collects the money and then called confidential Clinton and tell the wall. So you know they -- the eighties the she read it out various people on the white. Probably coasters some business -- they figured out who was. To get to edit them had read it about. Good candidate minister quite a few good stories and again she was a high -- prostitute can she was armed with wrist watches with some micro -- So it was difficult for somebody to come back and say this never happens."

" I'm just reading from your run your your book here. Shocking true story luckily -- these women were gonna be tried as criminals these two prostitutes but they settle the case out of court luckily confidential confided the woman won their case without having to reveal the names of their clients. Now the magazine said Bing Crosby Bob Hope Walter pigeon Orson -- Montgomery Clift James Cagney George raft and Georgie jostle. Could rest easy."

" That's a that's a pretty a that's a pretty big guy. Catch if you get on this."

" Amazing catch and end NA parasitic quite a sense of humor is as you can tell from the way -- that was perhaps. They can all rest easy because there's simply didn't have to name them -- they just didn't."

" 18774694322. Robber at your next with how we -- Henry Scott author of the new book shocking true story about confidential magazine go ahead Robert."

" Okay I'll tell you. -- I've always been fascinated with what money -- Florida but the black -- Barrel on the enroll. Audioblog -- public -- he. Anything can organize anything complimentary adult stories at all I'll hang up and listen what your site thank you --"

" Yeah -- black Dolly it was before. The the rise of confidential right."

" The black tell -- was although. It was also -- the altar of James Ellroy the author -- thought LA confidential but really inspired makes. Broke an amazing book about the black Dahlia. So that was before that time. And and they never export to crane. Situation either. And that was after so so they came in this kind of you know middle ground. And in terms of the era but it was an interesting time for Hollywood because it was after World War II. And they they were embarrassed and Hollywood at a time -- Hollywood couldn't afford to be embarrassed people returning to television. Movie viewership was to climbing. People have discovered everything from miniature golf to bowling and they were moving to the suburbs. And -- Hollywood couldn't afford to lose any money and they were actually distributors who were used to show films. Because in the case of Ava Gardner confidential made the case that she can sorted whipped a black man semi they've issued here."

" And it's in according to you that probably wasn't even true. I probably wasn't even church. In that case but they -- they had the documents to prove what they knew what they were saying we get about two minutes left why give us the downfall of our confidential what happened."

" condemn in essence Hollywood finally had enough. And try to figure out what to do to get rid of this magazines so we went to Pat Brown who would -- attorney general. Jerry Brown and he is starting to run for governor and they -- do something. So he brought suit in California. Charging the magazine with conspiracy to commit criminal libel. Confidential engaged a brilliant lawyer and they had what I call the OJ Simpson trial of its time. Every major newspaper around the world who wrote about it on the front page every day. And confidential was in effect put out of business because people got on the latest on the stand. And they were interviewed people from confidential and required to reveal their sources."

" Woman -- Howard Rushmore right he just -- British gave away almost all the sources -- you know and Hopson Matamoros and private detectives. There were all how did they couldn't -- they couldn't -- give many more stories right."

" Couldn't give -- many more stories Rushmore had been fired from the magazine and this was his revenge. -- do what he can do to put the magazine out of business."

" And that was an amazing picture you have in the book of the end of Howard Rushmore tell us what does that happened power Rushmore."

" Well Howard mark Rushmore throughout his entire life to turn against anyone could ever gotten close to. The final person he turned against was his wife they were separated. He was silent any government to protect you kept with terror network in New York after losing his job a confidential being unemployable. And -- taxi -- later recalled hearing two gunshots I think actually three. Rushmore -- gun and killed his wife and killed himself and the daily news front -- stunning photographs which is in the books of his body and his wife's body --"

" One I was one and what you got that picture I couldn't find I would that there might my newspaper more got this weekend for -- I couldn't find it."

" Yep the New York Daily News New York's photo newspaper. And respect and it was an amazing amazing."

" Yeah it is it is amazing and this is a great book Henry Scott thanks for being with us I thank -- thank you call shocking true story it published by -- on you can get a link on our website to shocking true story about confidential magazine. It's the it's the real story of the James Ellroy -- 18774694322. How -- car."

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