Lifting the Welfare City

" I don't understand this outrage -- people -- Over the -- warrants having two jobs is that less than the normal man."

" Plus jobs don't -- little lot of different jobs you know come out and now that the people elect that they work full time of the job they're elected to do."

" Generally speaking yeah true life and I never heard this before a and they -- just having one -- salary of what is -- hundred underground -- 100000 dollars I read in the -- for the for the position -- mayor of Lawrence -- little higher in the city of Boston I think this is -- racism -- ha ha ha ha -- because he is the first in the state the first Latino -- in the state correct then obviously if you have the first fourteen no matter what you care about anything --"

" Well the -- what what prompts a story what prompts the discussion. About Lawrence is that they are in any fiscal mess. They're gonna need about 35 million dollars in loans from the state and I -- from taxpayers. In order to get through the fiscal year and into next fiscally -- and a lot of people raising a hue and cry about the absence of a financial control board. Terrible just -- this."

" Just racist I hit it could well -- personally we already pay 70% of their operating costs we paid 92%. I believe it is of their education costs. -- And other states stepped in provided some assistance end up also asserted themselves and to provide some assistance if we pay 70% of their operating costs we pay 92% of their education costs that's not even talking about all the welfare money. All the other programs don't in the the federal dollars being pumped ended this section eight housing and that all this stuff. I don't understand why we keep these cities. Why not assessed this time it's called life support okay why why don't always follow what you want why don't yellow -- on a barge and push it out to see put it on a -- get rid of -- putting on a budget cuts sitting on the building healthy all of people how are hot hot. Stop but -- the united Unita is cruel illusion try to make itself sounds. No this is ridiculous I don't understand -- three -- about why do you have the the these communities. Which are totally dysfunctional all that they here's a way I view them these are vehicles through which Democrats can hire people to vote for them. So you take out you take a piece of land that is a disaster nobody wants anything to do it. You don't make it's also Phishing make it ended the taxpayers of the state pay for it. Then you fill up with people come and into the country illegally and then you fight to get them the vote as quickly as possible so they can vote for more Democrats you'll pump more money into the city so let's just cut it off."

" drop a set aside the gratuitous comment about how many illegal ought illegal nobody really knows but there're people who live there very poor people. The property values. Disastrous and have been for many many is. Meeting which raises an expensive to live there and alerts for well it could be an expensive in -- god and in other ways it's very expensive you need to -- department so the torturing of warrants which was going on pretty actively fifteen to twenty is doesn't -- You need a lot of police because."

" Why don't you guys just as you -- realize just -- all your people who live there are in our our dime to stop lighting fires. They're your employees effective -- to do what you mean you -- what first really mean by you guys don't I don't says not a Democrat I don't know -- I haven't been up there and Democrats get all Roche from urban areas yeah that's where we talked about that earlier. The reason they get all the votes from urban areas is because they are fully subsidized by the voters of Massachusetts and and the national voters feel so national always come at a large to pay people whether they're Democrats so Helen I'm gonna ask you then what is she off. Solution not know what is our -- sought a solution did they should get no more money than any other cities and towns and we should try to reduce that across the board -- the -- they getting 92%. Of their education -- coming from the state because of the property tax revenues that you get from a depressed piece of real state. And not the same idea properly and instead I received from well but when we were to go back to original time when bailout money had to start going to these cities -- one point. Many years ago they were functional places. Where there were businesses thriving shoe industry going there were a lot of jobs are -- people live that once upon a time there was shoe factories in Brockton -- thousand exactly. -- Except as places to house voters for Democrats for free okay so we pay people to live there to vote for Democrats that's the model we're now living under -- what how what do we got to cut it off."

" issue industry in the middle industries begin to -- Decades ago yes exactly and probably so going back to the -- and do this for everybody's in the fifties in the so we can do this forever I'm not sure how long we do it but I'm asking what for the specifics of the solution. Up until solution is used so armed wing -- and Lawrence has been Lawrence has not had. The fiscal disaster that we read about in the paper. Today so up until you know who in the past couple he has a stout and why should we pump more money in Lawrence is like all the delegate way cities -- they are places. To go. Where Democrats -- voters that we have to pay until then what's the point that I wouldn't say Democrats house devote as they become congregation points Todd. For very for people on the dole with a lousy it looks lousy education and lousy day most immigrants centers are they not be a stay so do we are paying people come to this country to become -- While we subsidize their poverty in this country. We'll go to you just had two things when you say we're paying people to come to this country I'm not aware of us paying anybody to come to this -- what we we say hey."

" We pay the people were living in the gateway cities so we hold up this big flag and say come to America we will support your free living. With 70% of the state -- every year -- when 90% of the education paid by the -- all kinds of federal programs to subsidize your presence. Why so is is yes usually not have enough there's people already."

" A gripe about welfare and Medicaid they're gripe if it is. -- gripe about the fact that the state when a city a town gets into some trouble financial trouble like this that the state might have an inclination to step what I'm saying it always is financed the states are are taken all the."

" A state -- permanent financial trouble that's how the government wants it. Because they keep it that way they pay for them to stay in permanent financial trouble not understandable why don't we pay 70% of our operating costs and ninety's you percent of their education."

" Because you local aid formula quite appropriately is tilted too poor communities are supposed to wealthy communities why would the state. -- provide a subsidy to Wellesley Lincoln and -- why would they do that its its."

" Believes that a two and a half percent of the local property tax value that a city a town can function. It's completely dependent upon stated and then -- has within it. The -- The tilt -- poorer communities will get a little bigger present and I think -- Celtic I think everybody understands that is and is comfortable look at what people don't understand. Is that cities like Lawrence are effectively. Pay -- getting paid to exist from state and federal tax dollars in other words they serve no purpose. Other than it is a place to invite people common before and look for -- look at I'm not arguing with you that there horrific. Places and even breeding grounds of poverty. You legitimacy. Dysfunction all of that do you actually think. That anyone in government whether it's just Democrats in your mind but anyone else -- government likes these likes to see these sets of circuit only Democrats because this what sustains not a last all their votes for Democrats nobody's there is nobody you can name the officeholder who can paint you a script. That can move these cities up to self sustaining status with active vibrant I have -- I have any inclination to struggle I have -- messages I have not heard anyone suggests that there's a problem. With that to say just keep pumping more money in -- lots of people suggest this problem that's why every."

" I'm an -- story they wanna send them another 35 million because. Because -- how does take some calls of those who loves this idea of how we fund these nobody loves the idea Democrats do -- know Jeff era WR kill more solutions I don't want land."

" They absolutely love this time that is how they buy votes the more you're subsidized something employee gonna gotta have it. Now you should be way back when a mill closed our way out -- closest somethin'. People couldn't live so they had to move elsewhere to make money now one of -- closest biggest gonna hold my hand out. And we get but it caught dead cell phone if food there apartment. With a or accomplished the car and the cellphone to."

" I -- Jeff Jeff you'd you'd agree with this principle would you not done all politics is low."

" Do you have a particular how local would take emotion and lot of welfare talks we took away from the Canadian probably in the state so don't want to see them anymore you know what she's doing the welfare line. -- and she you're gonna need check once a week now it's a credit card -- my picture on it welcome."

" Jeff you're radio listener and you know you -- join you in the rant about the dysfunction. In the miss direction of wealth this stuff we're not arguing about that maybe it should go back to local citizen dot it would still you'd still have the same problem we don't want Lawrence -- We have more Lawrence then. Get the funds to provide some minimal level."

" People got a -- well more strong and we got enough it did and whether Joe."

" All of Jeff stay limit and one of the porous communities in -- in this state. We would they moved to wells way you would confess I use your existence at some point becomes a permanent. Predictor of the outcome which -- that I guarantee is that we will never and the poverty issues because people are being paid to -- in -- which is why welfare has been put on a timely and this is -- and -- and then -- welfare we did in Israel -- to your -- that's one tiny -- that's -- know that intellectual -- on -- you understand what I'm saying his stroke deficit this -- I just like welfare -- this -- it is not called welfare but -- pay 70% of the cost of living. In Lawrence are we pay 90% of operating in the schools that's not even counting all the other programs that help put people or -- do you have a plan that would reenergize. Our kind. Stock 5% per year the money we send there would do with how you like that how is that gonna revitalize the local economy if you and I had a business -- be revitalized in Jillian but until you stop. The influx of new people were being paid to live there to vote for Democrats we've got to break that business model. Steve from a larger NWR give it more actually you know."

" I I have -- one on purpose so yeah. The 100% of what you like a large enough. When I was a -- back in the early seventies and it would look beautiful but he could be the milk or just but I just closed the problem that is Kurdish you're absolutely right chart. We had all these -- introspection they'd probably they don't share -- they lit the place adult you know no one Olympia. Until we jury and cultural are pathetic it's gonna be identity."

" There there are some bright spots and those bright spots are government money being funneled in from the state and from the feds. -- you -- more credibility than -- because you live this visited I've been to bishops have been -- hundred places up the F let me ask your question. You -- until we re industrialized Lawrence is gonna continue to be a hell -- there's an open question for UN Todd. Walk me through the re industrialization. Who's coming to Lawrence and I'll throw in a couple bought who's coming to -- then nobody polio go to our kids here."

" And -- coming you don't want to do what I want to block it because we -- like jobs over the -- not."

" There you go that's a formula Democrats are operating under. Jen you're next on WRQ want to look at like that NAFTA did and -- to proposals and -- the free trade proposals. -- bedrock principles of the Republican. Party. The Republican prodding. Don't try to distract the cops are hot dog -- agendas Shas eleven you know it's gonna is -- and -- Should I I would love to see -- didn't drive -- by analyzing -- leaves Pittsfield used to be a three shift town thousands of these tabloid round exactly -- exact thousands -- so why do you pay to keep the ship going that nobody wants to take a ride on well that's a good question -- your next NW RJ what's going on."

" Okay -- right out -- back garnered the schools are amassed so why alien forty Megan's of people are we -- it doesn't make any."

" Because Democrats need somebody to vote for them if you eliminate cities Democrats get no -- immigrant can -- it illegal immigrants and I think that's Jim's point. Illegal immigrants don't vote they content of course they do that's an artist or when he -- why does a voter fraud original."

" The Democrat party you know that everybody talks about illegal re going and you millions of illegal alt Powell and corn ought. People -- Like like -- tuning the -- what is she doing here why you hear it loud loud squeal little."

" A great -- That's but that's great but the answer that question Jan I think his obvious to everybody that if you allow people to come into the country whether legally or illegally who were unable to sustain themselves and they end up in public housing who they got -- vote for they're gonna vote for the people who say all we all rules on public housing. Everybody should be welcome you're always sister do you think there should be guidelines for how we run. Pay the admission into the country in the admission into the house and Mike your next atomic time high."

" More guys you know I ever -- solution for the whole problem green solution wall green blue they know. I do not. We need do is expand the park system in Massachusetts. And just. Relocate everybody -- it will split the illegals will send them all in a large animal relocate all the other section eight -- and those. Kind of fifteen actual homeowners that are paying mortgages. -- buy -- rather than what was I think you'll be -- not -- countdown have a great park a little -- game -- some might get --"

" I like the idea of having to -- there like as Jurassic Park in Lawrence it's good we have dinosaurs. Do you think. There's a lot of potential in my site and otherwise known as demographics that's very red because that's a good point there are Democrats of course Deval Patrick got elected governor again. A tank drive BP gasoline with invigorate it cleans vital engine parts to restore Marlins lost to a dirty engine check out BP invigorate dot com for more information. For more news and information go to wrko.com. PM succeeding W Arcadia."

" So the mirror and warrants to where she jobs 660000. Dollars a year. Is looking for 35 million dollars bail out the city that already."

" Is subsidizes -- 70% of its operating expenses in 92% of its education costs -- actually is an interesting political dynamic up -- locally this seems to be some resistance and of the globe this decide. Describes. DC leaders in this include the may arrives as well as the City Council as divided -- duly elected say hey wait a minute. We're capable of fixing this ourselves give us a chance to address this before we come running in in a point the state control board and emergency oversee -- like others are saying. You know the other side of the argument does it look with flat out busted in -- deluding ourselves. If we think we'll get -- can get through this without some type a state assistance on a temporary basis alone basis is the way its present why would the legislature be moving ahead with something that it does not even million community -- on India well I think the the Patrick administration the governor has concluded that they are not gonna make it unless there is some strict. Outside oversight over the -- local decisions I think what he's concluded is these are his voters this is his base. And he's got to send them the money to make sure they turn out for him and that they're happy with him. And he can't afford to (%expletive) off about the only people vote for Democrats anymore and that is of people being fully subsidize -- buy them in their daily life hasn't to honestly I'll I'll I'll concede there political factors in virtually every decision I don't know that anyone sees political mileage a political gain here. As you just giving money is it was an error in this is an accident happening right in front of your rise in people well understandably. Angry about it knockoff video switch for lights up 617. 2666868. Nobody likes the idea of state money going being poured down a hole that seems to have -- but that's -- side you have by reckless federal -- is just slightly bigger and -- cycles around a couple years -- Springfield but the Springfield situation is now restored in the -- they still -- 70% of their operating funds from the state that's 90% of their education -- Lindsay that's gonna be the case until somebody figures out it was Steve in the last segment and -- calls from a -- guy who said. Rita hit until the city is re industrialized Springfield. They have the robbery and false -- Springfield was a bustling hive of industrial. Production losses job always just just a New Bedford Fall River all of us say like I think exempts those are two great points that the textiles and Fall River the New Bedford fishing industry all the money very very -- title thank the people left the -- give it desperate to given that these that's a permanent situation they're never gonna be re industrialists are -- if there's a likely. -- on -- skeptic I don't think so what's -- stuff for the sake of argument along these cities you'll never be what they were they once -- we need a plan for winding down the burden knowing. What is the point of having cities that are permanent. A blue lights and permanent burdens on the state and on the federal government."

" Well because then this is we get into the tedious nature of governing as opposed to the poetry of campaigning. What do you do with 15000. People very poor people I'll just that just throw about the number Lawrence might have more than that what do you do with 50000. Very cool people they don't have options if something happens to me and daughter ready you're -- you and I have option stuff we can do a lot of things were pretty good on our feet with Philly I."

" I was so concerned with the ones who were there are already except the ones are there illegally to do first is you have aggressive. Programs to get the ones out of the countryside here we are legal side I come on board with the second and so far you make sure nobody know who would it moves in on any subsidies you freeze the subsidies or whatever leveler and I'd be happy -- okay that we can face at least we could say over the course of the next generation -- Cho -- we're gonna unwind these cities the only people -- over there. Are ones who love them so much when they drive through and have the money to pay the rent out get the car -- that so no one knew subsidies normal right now a section -- for example sure because what you're doing is you're hiring people to go live in a place so that the state can subsidize the schools and and the fire and then police and all that --"

" I don't know that -- than any growth in the section eight program have all usually once somebody moves out they give up the certificate and sometimes it's it's this attribute is attached to the property and sometimes you -- sexual status or shrinking program that rising out I'm I'm just not sure that -- been any growth -- was have been bringing new people -- People move out. If the certificate is attached to the profitability you have a fifteen unit apartment. In -- might be 35 of those apartments a section eight it's attached to the property you the developers have the benefit of that and you can provide is subsidized rent to wave pool family."

" 617266. Exceeds 68. Do you all agree with Tom that it's wonderful having these cities this -- us we're right denies she's an asset -- does say that and that's your delegates are not hot -- your guy you wouldn't really should find a way to stop subsidizing these -- the only motivation I conceive for permanent subsidy. Cover blighted urban areas. Is because they're all vote they all vote for Democrats and by the way everybody on Beacon Hill is a Democrat John you're on WRQ good morning."

" There does. The money John L I assume. I wrote -- I've been -- raised grew up with the war all of my wife a patrol a couple of years ago okay now benefit you well. Sprayed on a couple of loose and it's all right harming nobody warned you haven't done to warrant an agent because bishop -- business. Exclusive -- 9/11 pro war crimes."

" I know there's a new restaurant in the general vicinity -- forget the name of it and a beautiful --"

" That's why is ever actually got -- respect and love and trust very long unless I'm not. Why are you -- yeah good want to begin my wife don't work there hospital. All right here -- they -- they just ruled they want to not know they're gonna put a Burger King. -- Biden might well I yes there is no -- really important Lawrence. It's certainly aren't there are illegal are there illegals living Lawrence we look at what people want -- Well what our military might be a little controversial case. We have it extremely large Hispanic population in law. RA yeah. They're pretty much split down the middle. 50% of non comparable quarter we don't they are American. Citizen that's correct. See -- Ralph. Mostly by large."

" I didn't know it came from the Dominican Republic did you not commonly do legally Dick Armey whip Dick green card in the visas and everything else. Now we have report -- In the Dominican population of people overstayed their visa but it's not."

" That bad it's not like in other communities close to you guys well you have good margin what the Brazilians that -- that. But it's not that's probably enlarged -- I -- we know why hadn't struck I've done business with."

" It doesn't change the nature of any in my arguments it's circumstantial whether they're legal or illegal the point is. It's crazy to have a policy is a nation where we allow people come in who we know we're gonna be a burden. Whether they're coming in legally or illegally we should be cabin people -- men who were gonna be vibrant functional members and -- everybody -- lassie come norm are."

" I should not even be in dispute that that should be I'll -- all in the fact that John office kind words about the dominicans in the fact that he's worked productively with them. And then generally nice people it does not take away from the fact the fact that he stated to lust into our right answer that is. Come from the Dominican Republic they have green pads and then they -- stay -- that should not. Be allowed to happen and I'm not quite sure whether the whether he had an an additional thought to add whether somebody else can help me finish this particular point. When you hear on agreeing cut -- you eligible for subsidized housing -- eligible for off welfare food stamps and all the other things. That infuriate people people of the -- the American people have always been very generous. 28 point they wanted to be temporary any family can fallen to hard times they don't want to become a lifestyle."

" And that's my point these cities are permanent they are permanent subsidies. To those who were -- and they keep inviting new people into the country or poor Tony you're on WRQ Thomas -- here good morning Jim."

" Detroit job on Tony what do these cities all have in common frog stands full warranty Westerfield. They're run by Democrats -- and say yeah of the world yeah well that's that's that's the problem and also -- you're talking about you know we. Bait and they can't be -- another dead -- I would property RN not a whole -- for -- in the early eighties. -- people would come from Cambodia they would go to California. And from California. It would go right to -- Why isn't. Well that would gut -- that can spark brought a lot of them lot of their credit they came. And I'm telling you they have the that they were placed on welfare. It really got it wants so are you can't play welfare well. It is a problem in itself. Because you're you're giving people. Free money. Do we -- realized I would go."

" an entire cities the cities as they construct our welfare so we are using the term welfare isolates it to a specific program. But we're talking about the whole city is a subsidy."

" Well what what happened this -- there are over Bartlett with government regulations. --"

" We'll wait Mattel to tell me what regulations drove out the textile industry and shoot in the business is -- because it and they are."

" You what do you think you queue jumping the textile industry just what because they'll build profitable there was that there were able to make money. You know all of Bert and got a current regulations the date they went down welfare of the -- labor -- after activate they could mean."

" I'll concede concede why can't I'll concede the point -- people lay about if there was a regulation that changed the operating dynamic of a business that might be that you know not gonna be able -- cyanide into the Merrimack rev up but that's true all across the country yeah -- on the cyanide in China and the Chinese are happy with -- Sharon your -- and WRKO --"

" the morning how are you -- Sharon I did slip that real hot topic yes I have the a couple of points in the press when it. I don't at a very convenient and they'll be offended but if that democratic contender has no relationship between entitlement and the carrot they could that -- aren't illegal. And they pretend that there's no logical thought and narrative that it acts at."

" What they have to pretend because this is that the essential building block of their business model. As a political party."

" I I totally great -- someone -- wouldn't it which is not much better than you weren't. My daughter had to go to a private school because the school that she would be stuck with. Had such. If it all the horrible horrible school it percent of it -- there are at -- below property. The teacher and don't have any control of the ticket. And improper pay my taxes I have to pay extra -- I -- a private school up at the chance to get a good education. And -- you know I -- Sorry I have to tell quickly that it that I -- ticket taxes. She explained to me that the folks who learned she got Patrick or. She doesn't spend time with the people can't play -- go in the Dominican Republic and ridiculous they command. They get how it saying they go on welfare -- sexually. And they -- that earned income tax credit to get that money back. And they put a bullet in your address. Why home for the Dominican Republic. Any other exploited de L didn't quite back here once it's like he had a connection the paperwork out of the water and any kind of look at how to connect unaudited and are people who live here a big -- the back of the list because the putting illegal took a catalyst -- and -- If he wanted to start it again it bring me back to attract point how convenient for Democrats to pretend that is no relationship between the -- That peace of parliament back in trying to build a temple had been."

" You're suggesting Sharon that the basically there's a poverty industry that's grown up around all these programs that funnel money into the urinary Hillary had to dispute a lot of what Sharon said she's actually on to something here and Democrats all Democrats should be listening to good news is that there -- some Democrats who have been listening and acting on it for awhile -- for example like David to -- who represented -- are some pot of Indo us it was that kind of a split community. I almost -- down district REI guess I would describe. And is he is this a family business that he's familiar with how to run a private business. It's been involved and -- many many as he understands all this stuff and works to change it so that twelve well there's time element and a whole host of other things. But Sharon just give us a laundry list of things that should be to the ordinary sensible person."

" In tolerant while they are now totally. You aren't -- once people become more aware of and and that's why it's important we have this conversation about frontpage right organization in the globe today Lawrence looking for bail while we're already bailing them out they wanna supplemental bail out it sounds very familiar doesn't it Tom inside 680 WRKO."

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