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" At least a week now where is that guy from up -- going to be on. Well now's the time Bruce Friedrich from the people for the ethical treatment of animals. And we've given him in the past -- is the art T shirt that says people. Eating tasty animals. And Bruce thanks for being with us here of how we car sure if you wanna join us the number is 87746943220. It I'm doing very well I'm already looking forward to mighty Mike might yet Turkey dinner mighty. I go I go to this place there's a big buffet I'm gonna have have lobster tails. -- those are my appetizers and a switch over to awfully mignon and maybe a small piece that Turkey. Just for traditions say -- and perhaps some -- and -- as well."

" All corpses all the time."

" That's right it's the best. People eating tasty animals that's -- Ramallah about."

" I do love that shirt thank you very much and again. So getting a little worn out that I could use another one."

" You would like a new one L or access all. It. LOK we'll get your shirt. Okay -- is solar Bruce do you wanna make your -- now by the way we're doing our poll question today on the on the show is. Will you be eating tofu Turkey or real meat. I'm surprised it's a mere 985%. That say that there will be eating real meat -- going to tell Bruce that he's running he's he's a -- Colin -- you write every year which is your hunting column which is coming -- will be out on Sunday Bruce."

" Player like a lot of your columns tallied again that is the personal favorite question."

" Thank you thank you it's been a it's been another tragic years remember rods in the woods. As always as soon as you know. They're not as many Nimrod but there seem to still be a lot of drinking accidents every year. And I'll be chronicling them from across the country -- on Sunday in the Harold. But in Europe but anyway Bruce what do you wanna make a pitch in the you can take some grief for people who love who love to eat meat okay when."

" Yeah and people who wanted to explore the dark underside there's really good new book -- is that. Doesn't go all the way to get say go vegetarian also that's certainly one of the messages in the book one of the options but it certainly. It certainly will turn a lot of people off of that traditional Turkey and -- And other factory farmed -- author. Everything has eliminated and extremely loud and incredibly close to Jonathan's step front four. -- that they that you fulfill abroad. He's oftentimes compared to a -- a brand new book that just came out this month. Called eating animals. That's getting a lot of accolades that been well reviewed in the last cup."

" So -- goodbye Columbus he's written goodbye porterhouse steak."

" Not -- that's nice about -- lot -- that but. And it basically. It'll on factory farms most people have no idea they don't have the legal protection that dog and cat task. And every moment of their lives is categorized by on mitigated -- In Turkey now grow about eight times as quickly as they did fifty years ago but their lungs their hearts and their limbs haven't kept up. Which means there's suffering just every single week it's about 2% -- losses."

" I'm I'm sure you saw the story in The Washington Times today that said that that now people are demanding heritage turkeys. So yeah and instead they cost twelve dollars a pound instead of a buck a pound."

" Yes there are people who insist on eating Turkey who insist on eating animal corpses and taking animal blood or a celebration. That is certainly -- and -- animals actually do lead in life that. It's not so excruciatingly bad they're not growing at the -- that I was just mentioning their -- buses or not it's great. And I can breed naturally every single butterball Turkey every single one of them 99%. Turkeys or factory farmed. They can't even breed naturally that the sort of the Washington Post called them Franken Turkey's."

" Yes. They have a lot of white meat and that's what we're looking for as good Americans before we watch the football game --"

" Well if you were watching media football game that that without the carnage to thank them."

" Well listen I just got back from Italy. I would that he -- a trip with a group all conservative -- dot com. And we were Tuscany and went out for meal one night and you know what you know what I had. I don't pasta with wild -- sauce."

" pretty wild boar into a thought they would that's that different from great."

" All it was delicious I wouldn't you we're just saying you know farm fed pork I thought you'd be impressed the wild -- this was all this to someone went out into the woods in Tuscany and shot this thing in the brought it back and that we had a for banner."

" Meant that that wasn't that wasn't an ethical -- and your part -- it didn't sound like it sounds like it was that was what was on the menu but."

" There was I would like it -- that. Could add somethin' else am I gonna I gonna had some some -- fish from the minute some fresh fish from the Mediterranean I could I had some mob veto."

" wild horse thought is definitely better than the dealer at the gap where the freshman Mediterranean that. If you could also have chosen to make that minute every time we sit and -- make a decision do we wanna support cruelty to animals. That is worse than anything that any of us including you how we would do personally. On -- we wanna make a choice that actually aligns with our values as most people. We don't want to split animal spirits personally we don't even wanna watch it or think about it. And I consider Hamas the money question what to think about it worked and other people to do these interesting animal."

" I asked I asked different questions that you I asked the question one I sit down to eat one wanna eat something that is gonna taste good. And fill me up or to -- wanna eat some. Some rabbit food. But I don't mind as -- side of but I certainly don't wanna -- as my main course because I'm gonna be hungry in about forget thirty minutes them to be hungry in fifteen minutes."

" Maybe -- they've been right. Grains they're an awful lot of things they can fill you up without causing you to pay other people in the sort of contract killing contract --"

" A truck killing."

" Well let's put it did the media and other people to do things that you probably would not do yourself. One of the great things about -- and there's every aspect of them -- no inherent moral qualms that. Raising animals for food the vast majority of your listeners on a shot that -- except these animals to the toes of BC and animals that would want to these animals. In their own excrement for their entire lives -- breed them that they."

" They might wanna go out hunting to -- to get some they might wish that cross -- were legal so that they can bring him down quicker than a gunshot Arab or regular bow and arrow."

" Minutes for people who wanna go hunting -- with a camera go -- with some binoculars rather than going I think what the lethal -- although I will give view that that. If you're killing the animals yourself that is less morally objectionable. And --"

" So it is certified and if I hit kill the wild -- in the taken it to the restaurant that would have been better. The role model."

" Whether and it it so why is it the Wyoming animals -- actually led a life worth living up. And I would still take issue with whether you actually."

" How do you know if there was a life worth living. I got the feeling that I get the feeling that that was added that was they had death by hunter a suicide by hunter that wild boar was tired of life."

" I I think that the well where would probably disagree but of course neither of us -- well or two against."

" That's what I'm saying Ambrose c'mon why did you send satellites worth living you don't know you know what in my life is worth living level all the wild -- in Tuscany."

" Well I do know that animals on factory farm whether there pigs or chickens or turkeys or cap I can tell you that most of us. When we look at how those animals live and we look at other animals -- It's horrifying and about half the support it and at Peta were encouraging people would have a compassionate Thanksgiving. That doesn't cause animals to -- a new Thanksgiving tradition that allowed the Turkey to get bank is well."

" You know what I do you know what I like to do Obama have an extra lobster tail you've convinced me today because you know rival natural lobster tail that's one less adult lobster. That is down there in the brainy DP eating the baby lobsters is they had child and and you do know I've mentioned this before I U I you're very familiar with that. The greatest predator of young lobsters is older lobsters."

" and unfortunate -- the older lobsters they've already done their damage not stopping them. From even like to definitely mineralized --"

" There's those 0%. Recidivism rate among needing attention and no lobster tails."

" very creative argument out."

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" Agent I it's high calorie. But RI wanna commend you for coming on the hour show every year I know you have to put up with them. I really brag on you wanna and I appreciate it I wanna LA you know that. We actually don't support factory farming anymore -- we -- how many animals for food and I know that. Not like he'll attempt the heated up it non non -- product we are meat -- we do enjoy me but we -- I don't wanna support the factory farming. Method we -- our animals very humanely and we appreciate their -- and and what I want to honor that by not treating them -- before they act we backed up by some. I'm gonna that I hypocrite but."

" They did that would cut down on the number of animal source slaughtered astronomically. That they think most people would one actually killed animals themselves but. I'm there is some integrity and that was what integrity and paying other people to do -- or you."

" what are you having for dinner. A prayer of Thanksgiving Thanksgiving."

" We're still having the traditional Turkey. That here we raised our pounds -- they'd found -- radar chickens -- is well. And them that not only is the quality better but we don't really have to worry about those maps we call from eat that food products we -- animals are treated cruelly. We know they would like humanely and very quickly apparent that that we're getting a bit odd backs so -- the women fortunately crap we have the hastily and an ability to do you."

" Still it is to Turkey that you're gonna eat still walking around tonight. He not know not okay what was his name. That we gave up naming the wrong I don't know how I was gonna say good -- to a an -- and all. --"

" They're very few listeners who leave their dog -- cat -- it morally speaking it's less objectionable to eat your dog and cat. That is the -- somebody else to and -- abuse and animals --"

" How do you expect. How could you expect to appeal to the mainstream of the US by saying stuff like that -- But it's less objectionable feature dog Dennis -- Turkey."

" And -- I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with a morally morally -- and or intellectually -- actually respond to that."

" I like my dog I don't care about the Turkey except for eating how's that."

" cabinet -- best sentimentality direct and that's that's not it. In reality. Well it's a reality that a process sentimentality and I think that once people start thinking about the fact that I mean -- that's just an example turkeys chickens pigs. They're -- smarter than -- think."

" You you win this argument every -- Jeb -- do you agree with that I he would raise chickens and I disagree totally with that chickens are about the dumbest things I've ever seen."

" Animal what do you do. They they actually they have a certain level of intelligence and royalty I -- Iowa what do I do dogs. My response is very good argument would be that. Any month and a more debt it really is regardless what you do at a carcass afterward quite frankly I mean well obviously I agree with a downgrade if I was angry enough then my dog. I had issue I -- actually I got I mean I love my dog but. In -- greater braille -- I like believe any animals but I still think we have a responsibility to be good Steward the animals. And be respectful honest and responsible for their sacrifice and that includes their air before they died. --"

" And on the issue animal intelligence that we don't animal behavior -- the people actually studied that stuff based say. They chickens are smarter than there -- no he didn't argue it -- your cat you know they had individuality and intelligence. If you work to get to know chickens or turkeys or other animals. Take them into your comment one about the personalities you -- in fact in some capacity third or fourth thought that it."

" Better Europa and I -- might like chickens were my own chickens at. Parents aren't they can easily thrown eggs. How smart is that. That's -- that's not only helps us I think. And I'm really -- what are all these turkeys -- about the the turkeys that they go they get lost out in the rain in the they just go up they put their heads up. Then they had drowned because they don't they're they're not smart enough to closed they're damn mouths. You tell me how -- that is all right bill that are happening you know at. -- wives -- we know a lot Edinburgh and I've -- fail."

" that they would all ground say Spdif prearranged turkeys but heritage turkeys. Is that all around every time it rains they are outdoors if it -- none of them around the that's just a minute it's the method affiliate kind of funny to say. But it's not true and the people whose steady animals say that chickens Turkey and Turkey's then you know take as well actually. Are smarter than dogs and cats they have a capacity or thought they can delay gratification -- can actually reflect. On what they do when don't know chicken -- individuals that you're taking the life of an individual when you choose to eat their."

" Orton I had some diets and chicken -- that's touching -- chicken nuggets tonight from a Chinese restaurant they were delicious thanks for the call -- your next with Howie -- and Bruce Friedrich go ahead Walt."

" And I -- our guys -- elevate. I went -- you -- I was in my job acutely aware of it. Because -- because of the animal activists in this state."

" What are they don't Leo great to okay. All Y two -- yes Bruce this guy worked -- a one of the Greyhound racetracks. Yeah I was on the ballot last year and all the all the wonderful moon bats decided to was shut down the industry and put two or 3000 people out of work. And now -- now the dogs are gonna be moved improbably a lot of we're going to be put down in Walton a couple of thousand other people don't have jobs anymore."

" Well what they decided to do would use our democracy. And to alert people Tibet suffering that you don't see behind Greyhound -- And once people learned about this -- in the breeding in the way that the animals are treated base that I don't I want no part of."

" I'll tell you shot while you're suffering are you gonna suffer because you lose your job. Auto market area firstly yes and so what do you tell walkie suffered too Bruce you can talk the enemies of volume and big."

" Well I have absolutely also like amending that you know we we don't use the argument that. Certain industries employ people and consequently they're all good or all bad. You look at what's actually happening behind the scenes in the industry. And what we found out what the majority Massachusetts voters agree -- is that there's too much but I'm for these animals to continue to industry. And at what you know and we have the capitalist economy people need to find other things to."

" This is -- that is doing all right. That kind of old wives' tale Bruce that that that the grey hounds are being mistreated I think the grey -- are being treat a lot better than they were few years ago."

" In whether they're being treated better or worse than they were few years ago there's still a tremendous amount of suffering in the briefing that's done for great I'm great thanks. It supports cruelty to animals and -- say it's cruelty to dogs and consequently there's that an awful lot of sympathy for getting rid of the industry thank goodness."

" Walt what do you think what's your response."

" Well because LA is at the racing industry -- goes by we're training for stories we're beating a little curious -- that but it must be it their separate title. And now they just both satellites are all right so that would come out of Washington that they would definitely I call. -- there's an article on web site play. Called bleacher report back on the -- in -- though it. It would make an issue because they. College mascot. Dog food -- seven at a Georgia. Has the latest week but -- heart attack in desert. -- it out about these animals is best Catholic college football. "

" Oh my god yeah. This is just that's ridiculous that we talked about the fighting -- enough North -- the University of North Dakota wants to get rid of them gets sued. Guess threw for just who filed suit to keep the fighting -- I think you know the answer Bruce by the by your laughter the fighting so themselves. Filed a lawsuit did to forced the university to keep the name they say if we're not insult and why do you care. What what's wrong what's called the Georgia Bulldogs."

" I don't have an objection to the Georgia Bulldogs."

" Okay thanks for the call Walt 18774694322. Many here next with Howie Carr and Bruce Friedrich go ahead Manny."

" how Oreo Mario. We're gonna I -- nice Turkey that's good air there are so lobster. But this year than -- thing is -- rhetoric you Lawrence. Deep fried Turkey oh yes. Oh my god I had it two weeks ago -- oh yeah it's coming -- don't know I don't care what anybody that about the Turkey all okay go to cows though the lobsters. What ever leave first then second. That's my --"

" first spend not at all right Redman. Well anyway it'll -- the conversation we were having earlier that's between -- and the dog everybody choose view it between your child and a dog everybody chooses their child. In this case did you know I want a momentary -- preference. Innocent some sort of used to -- pleasure that doesn't last very long and oftentimes makes you second that meant helping in short order I'm I'm gonna trade and animal suffering in life against that."

" The negative random -- and -- the animal advocates are worried more. Bruce the animal wouldn't exist how many turkeys would there be info if the way for wasn't for Thanksgiving. And the the American poultry industry."

" We slaughter about 300 million turkeys every single year and they are a far cry from the Turkey having -- just fifty years ago. In the genocide is complete. Against. Sort of the heritage bird that's on. -- 100000 per year up against 300 million of these back respond birds that they're very little resemblance to the heritage bird."

" That's right they have more meat. It's easier to cook."

" Well that's true up army a lot more fat and it's that it's -- sick. Unhealthy. Disease ridden Byrd -- people accused."

" Other than that though you're gonna really enjoy Thanksgiving -- rest."

" Well I will enjoy Thanksgiving I I enjoyed Thanksgiving every year I think that giving banks taking stock of one flight figuring out which -- gonna do into the new year. All of that is great you can do it without via the corpse of the center of the table."

" more fun though with the course and especially after you've had a few lobster tails another thought about you know. I'm I'm helping to I am helping to what the end I'm keeping the lobster men in business so they can round up more large lobsters to prevent the slaughter of more of those little tiny baby to lobsters that was so -- so lovable."

" Sadly it isn't that -- That's what you say. Well I'm -- that's what. I would guess the science I'm certainly don't put into intuition indicate they've already done whatever it is they're gonna do before there ripped out of there."

" Clams have personalities Bruce last question to clams have personalities."

" I don't know I'm eloquent -- and it says it is why not give them the benefit of the doubt. You don't need to keep them."

" So why would be -- love fried clams. Well and it -- love raw clams I love clam chowder and clam cakes and -- thirds."

" Well hopefully what we enjoy it's not -- beyond the end dolls. Our morality or we're gonna end up back in the jungle pretty --"

" Bruce thanks hold on give your address to the person who answers the phone Wilson joined new -- at T sure at large okay. Are. -- happy Thanksgiving. Happy Turkey today. 18774694322. On our car."