Pat Kennedy

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" If only had been an irresponsible -- your future William you know you're limiting our upside -- been -- absolutely I'm I'm not I would talk about Patrick Kennedy the congressman from our island I know it's hard to believe but he still is a congressman. They have a similar. Kennedy lost in Rhode Island is as has afflicted Massachusetts for the last fifty years. And and he gets a pass on being inept on being an attic done. Vienna on appealing on every level and I'm being a bad Catholic but now the Catholic Church down there. Is. I I was from Matt yeah I'm looking for nice way to say bitch slap Madonna Heidi. Collins where they're going to set -- no."

" No there really is and you come up with a better -- an idea of a better vocabulary that's just the modern vernacular for pushing back in this day and this was prompted at least as I've followed the you know up. The flow of events in this was prompted by Patrick Kennedy himself it's very very silly move on has brought. For somebody whose positions. Growth at least in and around abortion issue so I'm very much directly at odds with the teaching and the doctrine of the church. He's data to complain that the church's position on the health care bill as it relates to the abortion provisions. That he he was seen was how romping around was all upset because the church calls itself pro life but they weren't supporting the health care bill at least as Patrick Kennedy -- health care bill. So he was putting himself I think in the position of describing what pro life. And what's not another bishop down there and I applaud this -- the bishop down there and other metal fish like -- yeah I'd like to meet them they named a bridge after army should know that did yeah I know. The -- I'd like to meet him because the bishop pushed back end said basically I don't need a -- from Patrick Kennedy or anybody else on what it needs to be Catholic and by the way congressman Kennedy -- position on abortion is a disgrace. And that deal you should probably. -- this was all private correspondence that apparently Kennedy is felt they don't obliged are comfortable with talking about aspects of -- who has begun to reveal what they've been private -- Communications here. The bishops said and by the way you should probably. Considered not presenting yourself. For communion which is one of the great sacraments. Of the Catholic faith. This is the two the chief to be in good standing to be worthy of communion right -- you you're not supposed to be in the state of sand. Both cardinal -- And you're not supposed to be and deliberate opposition to these specific teachings. Of the church okay so Patrick canyon is a big big thing I mean it's us it's a sacrament of the trip."

" What's interesting is -- Patrick has revealed that he was told by the church not to take the communion it was he who revealed it to the Providence journal newspaper correct and -- turns out according to Tobin. That this -- communicated in a letter that was sent a couple years ago thousand said the so. It's a little weird that the whole thing but everything having to do with Patrick Kennedy is. The question is from my mind what's going on politically to have things changed that much it seems to me Patrick Kennedy is making the calculation that. He's closer to where most Catholics are which is most Catholics ignore the teachings of the church. And they go there -- for the cultural connection they feel to it but pay no attention to what the values of the church are I."

" I tend to agree with you that Patrick Kennedy has made a calculation may be he's in no position of polls -- rubble. Insight and data that indicate that even Catholics regular practicing Catholics are not in particular conformity with a lot of the instruction of the church. One thinks of the issues I'm sure Patrick Kennedy I don't know this but I'm just got to speculate allowed in Penn state of as a as a projection. I'm sure that Patrick Kennedy is in favor of gay marriage. The church is obviously a polished -- we know Patrick Kennedy is in favor of abortion and we know the church's definitively. Explosively. Opposed to a okay so so -- those two issues right death. This president that there's enough ground there's enough ammunition on both sides to have friction but Kennedy picked this fight he was the one who scolded the church -- for not being supporter of of his version of the ultra -- a trillion of the lefty Democrats version of health care reform. Which normally. Was silent and therefore would have allowed the subsidy of abortion taxpayer subsidy of abortion. Which also provided no conscience clause so if you're Catholic doctor on nearest you would be old Bly aged. To prince who for our audio port -- our procedure that you find. Not just morally abhorrent but it's intrinsically. Evil according to your faith it is that taking of a human life. This is an after a judge -- jury evidence conviction it's none of have to none of those things this is the taking of an innocent human life according to the Catholic church and the calf."

" Position really is no different than Martha Coakley is position it seems to me which is you put the abortion issue ahead of the U with the rest of the health -- So -- equals. And on an ethical level you're welcome to the political argument been very consistent by the way and what you would probably describe as very liberal on health -- but for this abortion thing they think universal coverage if they probably would embrace single pay here. Or some of the -- on the Catholic -- is what you would describe politically -- are -- on on on -- yeah but when it comes to abortion they say hey wait a minute we don't wanna be proud of this we -- we think it's in the wrong direction for the country to go in from a spiritual and moral. A position to our let's get some calls in the 6172666. Seats exe what do you think of what Patrick is doing here and what the Catholic churches doing Jeff you're on WRQ good morning."

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" Jeff I thought you over the weekend I thought it Jeff from Salem might -- new -- all like good guys have regular caller I want you feel guilty I want and I wasn't feeling guilty I wanted to make sure that I said to them on my behalf Don happy Thanksgiving to all of them they're great putts at the show you wanna -- circling around and -- I wanna talk to Jeff -- this is --"

" all operated that I I don't know a lot of people would argue that -- but. I'm. I added I would -- come not Catholic I went to confirmation -- this from my nephew. And this is actually brought up at the end of the service. And then what are the priest had mentioned this and not one of our. All of our senators voted for this bill and it had beaten go to -- abortion. That they had for the payment of abortion. You know did you see me get this thing I'm what's called a bit this sort club all whatever you wanna call it. It's we are rules you wanna go buy them. You're not in the -- you can you can come into the house you can call yourself one if you want but when I don't recognize that and it seems to me isn't it hate it not a Catholic I'm sorry if you'll -- wall -- our."

" But if he's not a Catholic what do you say to Rhode Island and Massachusetts two of the most Catholic states in the country. Where most people all disagree a lot -- Catholic teachings."

" You know what I call -- guilty and ladies and no shame. They don't wanna go by the rules they wanted to do or do they say not what they do we don't watch it and drive a big truck we're gonna have a --"

" America channel and a lot of people how to fix a lot of people in politics one of both way stimulant and not a lot of both well I -- and I -- is the age of affluent -- what they wanna know as a Catholic have seen this myself -- that the probably the greatest deviation from the teaching food on the principles of the churches on birth control. So most Catholics say."

" It was also an issue right it can be tied to look for good thing a guy get this thing in the name of religion and all these terrorists that's where that's -- done something in the neighborhood their religion. You know that he's not doing something in the name of his religion he's collected as a Catholic -- what he doesn't believe in what they say. You don't know what what they blew the whistle -- the problem by the give Republicans go be a Protestant congregation walks anything but he's not part of the club towel."

" Yup yup but I got to -- your right to self described as -- is it I think Jeff has good point. -- This is -- possible of the inch correction of the church in these agreed principles right -- which you are we understand arrests but is it fair to do that to Patrick Kennedy if you're letting basically the operating. Values of the -- we let people cherry -- or rallies they don't have to -- RH -- is dale win Patrick Kennedy initiates the fight -- the Catholic Church hierarchy. You cause you -- pro life -- are opposed to this healthcare -- now they did -- the have been silent are relatively silent -- relatively accommodating to go the -- and they try to have a conversation -- private they have they financially I'm actually links and they say back to Kennedy hey wait a minute now. Yeah yeah last MIP Kennedy might profess to be Catholic but we're not taken a lecture from you -- pro life. We disagree with you position we've instructed you on that we've hoped and prayed the conversion on that we hope you see the light from a Catholic perspective you -- but don't give Russia is still a little congressman's election you -- Mike you're on WRK -- what do you think about this."

" Good morning guys you mourn -- pressure questioner tried you might understand or are coming from more than armed. You know I'm that's usually that is the tough but I just ignored sound military front absolute and -- took the Jewish."

" as they happen to like him at you know I get so over the Roman Catholic Church a global Watertown I mean. Most of my friends -- Irish Italian Armenian and you know again going that -- most of the people Roman Catholic. And I wonder again I've got three grown daughters two grandchildren third on the way. And I'm very grateful for what I was given the you know always thank the Catholic Church for those the sacred like what I'm trying to say is. Do why have the right as far as. This there's this issue you're talking about. My main concern -- three daughters and like my family in -- god forbid. Something happened to them I mean what's the worst case scenario rape. I want them to be able to make up their own minds to why have the right. I'm not -- look okay. -- why you have the right. To have an opinion other then might sit that employed family on an issue like this I can understand what the church is coming from that part of it -- you understand one thing."

" You're saying you have no right to have an opinion on the abortion issue."

" I have an opinion for might fairly."

" How about the politics -- we -- and as if you were -- Mike is that the question if you're Catholic now just is that guy he sent."

" I'm I'm not Catholic you know again I'm I'm trying to look at our from a -- point of view things like gay marriage things like abortion. OK I can understand why people get upset okay. But I am not Catholic so do -- have a right. To put my two cents in other than for my own family okay. On an issue like this."

" All the church this is the intrusion of religion. Separation of church and state that is complete and utter tripe. That is nonsense the Catholic Church has is a much a right to jump into the political arena and speak about its values and its principles as any other personal -- you know I thought we may have the same right to the Bank of America for -- museum -- all the news coverage they they do some kind of headline on this story about church and state. There is there's trying to be cute but they're also conjuring up image jury. That has to do with constitutional separations and nothing to do with this conversation. Today good morning your WRK out."

" I know I do. And it can be -- every morning and just like to make a point in this. I have two daughters who have won -- away. I am out -- also on the big and heavy guys because other view they have to -- They took god out of the schools. And it took god have a out of everything it's not the church -- that teach you bet it's the Bible so I look at bacon we from the Bible the Bible as. So what they can get as god out of everything that's why it would take a look at the country -- look at the left there weren't. And even that John Paul the second says. You know a country that -- if you don't get it then it's a country without hope so that -- just like to make at this point."

" Courage and thank you for that point -- I think -- them and grew to prejudge it different god god was not removed from the church this is a fallacy. Would they switched gods they switch over to the got to liberalism the god of gay rights than god of abortion in the god of of diverse city they made up their own new set of rules anyway whose day not the Catholic Church all the liberals -- Catholic the Catholic Church has gone along whether they sat silently connect -- the Catholic Church has been liberal for many many years for generations. For generations that. -- particularly with the missionary work in South America and after in the like. They see what the ruling class has -- down near the ruling classes have done them if a mini miniature generations India there -- Paul to buy -- and so again politically on the economics they would baby comfortably left the Senate but they remain comfortably right of senate on these issues of -- they want to you can evolution and I both together they can't coexist because if you with the liberals on deconstructing the values of the country. For economic reasons. Then you're with them for all the other deconstruction that there engage in the Hollywood deconstruction the mainstream media deconstruction. And the destruction of our schools in the removal all teaching of common sense and values in the school so now the Catholic Church is complicit in the destruction of America and suddenly is there as they're synching. Right down under the water drought there and they're calling out Patrick Kennedy who realizes that there -- time is over. And the time of valueless society which year presents. Guess what. He's in charge now you'll see Tobin. Making Boston smarter. Talk we are should shut everybody off from community and make them establish. Those somehow that there are on the right side of this thing."

" Exactly what what code they should do these do these Walters cal and does more good Democratic Party Belichick talked promote early triple. -- right polite person. It marked at least in the -- cooperate nobody else are given credit. The fact that -- start. At the end of the day you -- you can subscribe to the us Democratic Party elliptical joint Cipro great deal late term abortion. In every triangle. You get our usual abortion. As their platform to give the money so we I was GOP is -- in my opinion."

" Time mayor is worse because you provide cover for them what are how to provide cover a feisty and open save my party. Is wrong I cannot believe that way he -- the party that's always been -- always well below the party rules I looked at the rules and said he -- rules don't have any effect on me and by the way I mean I can I can -- discuss a from a capital point of view. I can also -- approaches to discuss it from just a huge -- fight if I get what is a member of the dock if I was a senator Byrd and I never left the client -- and I -- I just wanna change your from within that would be an acceptable argument to well there are some things that are important exactly as there are with the Democratic Party. And yet you -- in on those things that I found aboard I would not vote with these exactly so a lot so it's senator -- the only one like this Joe the new show is just a matter his retirement so it's senator Byrd had stayed in the -- And said look I disavow those positions that I find a foreign I've but I wanna change the -- from what I've. I think it is great go to our country there's a little bit different the Klan was based upon a sense of the world that said whites disappear am glad actually -- the Democratic Party I was -- and a sense of the world that America's bad and they need to try to destroy its constitution. Florida stories like years."