Charter Schools

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" let's talk about Charter Schools because there's a piece of legislation being. Consider right now there's a vote on -- today. Well Jim stooges that guy you'd -- against designed to lift the cap on Charter Schools as we all know away if you listen to this radio show on a regular basis you know that. Democrats and have been fighting good schools for a long time in the former Charter Schools -- The way you create good schools in a sting all -- country in which Roosevelt union is bald joke flare ready fitter and I Democrat itself would not Democrat cannot. But Democrats are -- I'll let you guys are dinosaurs from another hour I know you league with a RFK I'm talkin' president -- I'm talkin' present tense Erica Democrats are against good schools become the partnership with teachers unions but. The Obama administration. Is trying to force the state of Massachusetts and other states in the country with a bribe of some good money. To stop blocking good education in the state of Massachusetts this has miraculously -- How many know after sixteen years of blocking good schools to change his mind and even Deval Patrick who's been. Do -- try to be nice about Charter Schools while working behind the scenes to make sure they can't succeed. They've gotten him change his tune and now there's a big -- will perform legislation ready to pass Jim Sturgis. Here and a pioneer institute I jumped. Good to see this area again you pioneers a think tank that studies on these things and I tell us about this legislation and how. The evil ones are working behind the scenes to make that thing that looks like it's supposed to allow more Charter Schools to take place. They're really trying to ruin the whole deal. But it's a it's a big test it's a huge test for the state for the leaders I think I mean it's a it's a test of we can improve work we've -- passed some networks. It's a civil rights. Question do we actually find a voice on civil rights. Pass to the generation did so much in the 196 know why are you saying that because I hear liberal saying listen I mean there are some liberals I have to be fair here. There are some Democrats who were so infuriated with how Democrats destroy education. That they're fighting to change it and those people say this is the civil rights issue of the 21 century and awards coverage -- clarity who you met more very impressed trying to got a new -- you know clarity to. As what really one of the -- lots on this issue I've heard him described in very passionate eloquent terms. That this is the civil rights issue with a -- assists but that's that's saying is slogan which is a good slogan is a confession. That that education system as it stands is an anti minority. Position and what we need to do is change and in order to try to help minorities recover from what Democrats have been doing to them. So let's break it down a find out what those issues are really all about why isn't so rights issue of the 21 century by the way and expense."

" We do civil rights issue for the 21 century and was one for the twentieth century is well we just in realize -- backed and look you've got inner city kids who are in failing schools who by and large you -- Charter Schools that are the one. Vehicle that is been proven to address achievement gaps why not use it. That's what comes down to a nutshell. Charter Schools is lots of evidence they work booked the last time the other Newsweek decided -- lead to determine the top 100."

" US high schools. To any Massachusetts Charter Schools -- fullest and we'll do first of all -- Massachusetts schools Michael us. Who masters the school's three. Three Massachusetts schools made the top what high schools in America be a tough 100 in all three want her. -- word Charter Schools. No words if it weren't for Charter Schools Massachusetts would get a zero. In the top one generating a high schools in America and think about where to of those schools were from Malden. In Boston now. And that's there'll scoring Weston and -- leader also outscored Boston got a good Boston Latin school and a half so is this a legitimate rating I mean they're not fixing it for the Charter Schools are --"

" We have different ratings across the country looked -- one that -- something called the new school new leaders for new schools in Washington John -- a former Clinton -- But runs and he chose a -- Tony Charter Schools in the country six of them -- for masters 30% really of 2% return schools we have. Look I think the people talk about -- schools -- will try to schools across the country have been just a little bit better then. The district schools affect the matters Massachusetts has -- right. Education is a state and local matters large and we have the right things on policy here and we got really great schools when they're not good we are courageous we close them. Have been really really good in the reason why the civil rights issue. Is that we know that this is the way that we can actually address 27000. More inner city kids we could give -- great educations and to question whether we wanna do. For the we don't wanna do."

" A witness the resistance. Come from because you can you cite some compelling statistics but statistics can be presented to serve any particular goal at what is the resistance where does that come from and what does it boil down to."

" We'll turn to schools have had that magic ability of drawing together management and labor against the superintendent mainly urban superintendents and the teachers unions in the teachers unions has been putting out a bunch of different things talking about. There's a lot of attrition Charter Schools. That don't go ahead and they don't actually go and say well in the district schools too much higher they don't actually mention the fact that when there's attrition and Charter Schools. You should expect some because there's choice schools mean. Patricia means mobility means that people move around. The end of the fact the matter is when charter school kids move back into district schools in the choose to do that truck. 10% -- drop out in Boston 35% of the kids who drew a trite enough in the district schools. They drop up 35 versus ten. When the kids go out to leave from chart is to go back into the district schools. Almost to a person if passed the impasse what they wanna social promotion because they know that it's not to -- impasse in the Charter Schools they know it's on top of that. And AP course the college level course and might fail in a specific grade. Even if they passed and test it's a matter of excelling and that's been the goal from day one that what worries me about the -- thought this would be debated today. Is that normally it might raise the cap but has so many poison pills that are there are not in line with the main goal which is academic excellence. That not only will raise the cap -- but it won't work."

" So the idea is on the surface it looks like movement towards allowing more Charter Schools but what they package in there. Is -- are some measures that would destroy Charter Schools or. He. Hurt their ability to continue to succeed the way they are -- you can get rid of the -- long term they become irrelevant because they won't be that much about her anymore deterrent to so but how is this playing out who are the people who are pushing poison pills -- what are --"

" ups in the -- teachers association the ones have been pushing the talking points on quote and quote attrition new ones who've been pushing the talking points on well charters don't have as many special needs kids. Don't have as many English language learners. Fact of the matter is if you take a look at. Quota would disadvantaged students students who need an out. Who need a better education right now in the inner cities it's folks not only who have special needs now and of English language to language should it issues. But also minorities African Americans and Hispanics as well as low income folks in Charter Schools have many many more. Of those kids we have for example 50% of their. This student population Charter Schools is either African American or Hispanic. Against 22%. In the district schools. If you take a look at low income 44% in Charter Schools you."

" Chuck and averaged -- schools around the state which on sending districts sending district so in the specific districts that have Charter Schools. Even though they're being attacked for not serving minorities not serving -- the Charter Schools are serving more minorities more poor kids -- in the thing to."

" 2.0 is that this is the summit I -- personally frankly. English language learners and special needs are categories determined by adults in the system there are incentives financial incentives why they would actually determine that. We have a higher number higher percentage of special needs kids -- across the are urged the United States. My daughter my what's Japanese fight I moved to. From Boston to Brookline when they go to school -- it's likely Republican charter school subsequent really kind of roll -- that. My first daughters born in Japan every single year that I've looked she's back categorized as an English language learner she speaks better than us folks."

" We elect yet to -- I -- back and say no she's done English language learned but I industry in the incentive there. In the incentive -- financial and all the -- section -- deliberately -- either that -- to bureaucratic issue because she was born in Japan therefore every -- the -- bureaucrats -- got to -- to -- he marries a Japanese woman just so we can put himself in the middle of this debate at least somebody -- I have that was -- don't play out that is quite a very personal that is absolutely that's that's that's a commitment to pull out from -- do you look -- to be the quarterback. For the charter school legislation in the Senate who's gonna go to guy or gal who gets it and we'll fight the fight."

" I think you're 03 people. Two people we know. Senator O'Leary has been great on this okay from the -- anonymously but islands -- senator Jack Hart has been -- tremendous on this issue -- Jack got India to South Boston via the question is where does this and presence heartland sure. And so far she seems to be very supportive of the legislation -- I'm not sure she knows everything -- Okay I can -- she would because she's been very very small and other issues okay right so have we gone through the poison pills in this -- supposed to be helping Charter Schools what will it do. Can use the quick because I have to list up with the sort of the bad things but things and it none order of importance but some first one is you cannot you cannot have a private operator know to set a school in Springfield one of the best urban high schools in the the state is Wilson nation you could have another one of those in their looking they wanted to change the -- take the -- operators have an art department operator some of the best operators in the country. We they -- but there are great operators and -- I would just -- the left of operatives who if we lift the cap would wanna commend him while this mess that is one of the motivations he got a little in line -- operate charter school -- almost like the do you rate of auto insurance he started to get more companies commit the other tech caps off a restrictions -- official. Artificial restrictions -- sadness involved in any of these top three Charter Schools that you mentioned they were not. But when they are right up there they're -- they're tremendously I mean that there is the secretary of education when he was in the policy world before he named the top eight urban high schools in Massachusetts they were up there and -- okay."

" You know there are so then did generally -- a practice as an operate out. As as -- the management teams this this scene is competent."

" Almost all minority almost all of a low income -- almost all go to college and succeed there they have an -- they have charm school right now in Brockton. They -- charter school in Springfield and they'll probably okay and they want to expand -- was killed okay -- with us from the pioneer institute talking about big -- legislation could be voted on today on Charter Schools. Can on the surface it's purpose is supposed to be to expand Charter Schools in the state of Massachusetts. The opponents of Charter Schools are taking the opportunity to try to ruin charters as an option so by the that's point one what are the other. Ways -- their poison pills in this legislation."

" A couple things one is again there's a quota for the number -- 2% as a special needs kids who have to be in. Charter Schools as well as English language learners. The governor's bill. And I think what we should do is to go back to as the governor's bill yeah sort of causes very well crafted said look you've got to market much more effectively to these population I completely agree and why."

" What and why isn't it good when you have a fail old structure that's what public schools are now is a miserably failed structure of education. Part of the failure is. Having special needs kids in the classroom with -- everybody else that's part of the struggle of educating today. Why would you say if you got an experimental alternative. That's working and if they happen to -- they happen to include special needs but if they did it without special needs why is that still a good alternative."

" For a couple reasons Charter Schools have proven to be really good and innovation in their for the could address some of those issues. Some of the anecdotal evidence seems to point the charters teach kids who -- English language learners categorized as -- And they take them in mainstream them. I'd love to choose to give -- so for that reason that reason alone. I'd like to see them get into that business so you think it would undermine the special needs industry. Can prove that those kids are much more magical ball than special needs industry would would want you to believe but I believe strongly there's a portion of specially it's not all by any stretch but. Looking -- tech schools have been to -- success story they have 30% of students at a special needs they essentially function like Charter Schools. Parents choose them -- diminished at the school. And we do well the Bloomberg story on MCAS is a very impressive surely the sound. It's really it's really -- so I wanna see different models get into that line of business if you will but I don't think you should set quotas because it undermines the lottery mean. Lotteries fair there -- concede it is heartbreaking to see if you see parents who walk in and two worlds collapse on the we're really also about one -- know when then number when their son -- daughter cannot -- absolutely because they have so much faith hope and aspiration put into you know. And I think children won the lottery system the fairness of perception of fairness around that another one is -- They're trying to say that Charter Schools if a student moves from a charter school back to a district school that. The charter school has to back -- essentially that that to slot. In that same year so the kid -- in the eleventh pretty good they have to factual slot have to go grab some -- off the street and -- and good returners and eleventh -- eleventh grade and eleventh -- the problem is trying to schools don't work like that Charter Schools -- a cultural actually unique culture and they need time with the kids -- of the -- so what we would -- okay -- but -- the first -- operation that charter school. Sorry it's already hard to --"

" So you get the student at the beginning they are absolutely their site process yup. Death to give you would be a ghost chance of actually turnaround that could -- Jim I've heard -- the criticism for many many years now that the store the successes in this the the the positive stars coming out of jobs schools. He's not replica ball. -- somehow rather the Charter Schools have failed to kind of publish and transmit best practices. That that's then might be applicable in the broken schools of a particular just a -- respond to that. Best practices challenge."

" Sure I think the Charter Schools have done a lot of I'll reach you need two to tango. There are examples of superintendent I will not name them on the air who've actually send letters to their employees saying do not. Work with a school. So it takes two to tango. The other thing I'd say is this the commissioner has put together a group trying to find a way to disseminate those best practice and frankly -- passed -- with the third party to do it to be effective I think that the commission comes and says. Look you try to folks in new district folks -- to put your room amid banging heads together until you can talk. That's a way to do the charters just can't come as a unique school and say to the big district. You gotta do a guy so that's no way to get run on board."

" Well especially since there's resistance there this political resistance I -- can't say teachers unions want to destroy Charter Schools they're for the Democratic Party does. Because Charter Schools work and Charter Schools work because they break outside of the normal paradigm which means teachers work for different pay scales they work for a different lengths of day or. Schedules across the year and then there's a huge war going on and I I I just think the people Massachusetts have to get tuned in. Especially today with this folk -- pressure your state -- every time you see them. On why you support Charter Schools and why they have to be given their ability to do more business not last. 6172666. Seats succeed your question on charters for Jim Sturgis from the pioneer institute. He is an expert on this and he can tell you about all the all the all the ins and outs of this legislation its common touch 680 WRKO."

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" Cascading in those like eastern windows and I guest is Jim stooges from Heidi reinstitute -- think tank does what they do a lot of work in and around education and specifically. John schools charter school legislation pending today. Will be taken up in the state senate. After they deliberate on that and vote on -- it'll go over to the house and we'll have a conference of of some sort over the next couple of days couple months couple weeks whatever might be -- televising those conferences. Televising do you hunt for -- you're all not a whole -- they -- her final -- very much opposed to televise -- unpopular and asked if you don't. If you could basically don't want -- the theatrics that go with -- it's ridiculous -- when I have six reasonably well informed adults sitting there trying to make. Good to me about how do we know -- that's happening today is -- transparency -- unity transparency during the sausage making process."

" You don't Heidi you know a third fret not -- is throwing crap off the floor and -- and the sauce at his house when the bill comes out that's when you need to transparency that's when Shuster just comes forward and says. Hey they either blue looked -- while this is good work. -- trouble is once -- bill's gone to the stage where a conference committee -- then it's pretty much a short of being passed is it not died and you have for the most touch so you wanna see right when they're -- what they're putting it took what the tree for his idea but now Jim Sturgis is knows more about Charter Schools Charlie and anybody in the state and he's here advocating for -- questions. 6172666868. Big legislation being considered say that supposedly would reform. To enhance the ability of the Charter Schools to flourish in the state. It's a fight against the Democrats who were resisting good education in the state of Massachusetts. But at the same time. There are injecting. That I amendments I assume these are little pieces of legislation. That are designed do away with Charter Schools over a long term have to watch these people all the time. That's why Jim is here. 6172666860. Eric you're NW RQ good morning."

" Hey good morning guys -- there aren't totally footage shot at school I have a seven I have an eight year old child to kids."

" On and now I clash at school all the time. As -- that that -- way out. It was not about this Billy good education was more -- learning how to read maps client saw the other stuff. My older child. Had to learn the basics of map and all the other stuff yeah. And the -- superintendent quit he told us that well we can't do that because we don't want hurt her feelings even know what she gets the cap. AG get ten automatic bid -- it because because then may oh you should be happy what got."

" What what do people do what she got right."

" Do US god she's gonna feel she got a high school diploma. There -- not having learned what she needed to graduate from high school."

" Well that's why I do Wallach public this school like -- you what courage that child. I mean that the better do about it gauge that you actually were -- education when you were a kid."

" Well every met -- actually -- once upon a time by education did have some validity in some meaning to it. And I also remember what what was the motivate -- motivated when we did education reform. Too many people according to Tom Birmingham mark Roosevelt and others graduated with essentially a meaningless piece of paper was a Massachusetts high school diploma. It was essentially meaningless particularly. To the employer community who said. While these kids is supposedly high school grads they kind of add. They cannot spell they can read they can write what the hell's the meeting and so finally we got serious about it and did something but is obviously much more to be done."

" Yeah I mean look Eric here the decision is taken a real stride in the right direction last sixteen years in terms of all the stuff there is a curriculum to the state sets its really strong on math and English and science and history. There's been a little bit weakening over the last couple years were not happy about that but blew by and large we have the best. -- that a curriculum standards and in the country. The question for you is to go back to the superintendent you're talking to and say. How does our local curriculum lineup without."

" You -- and how do you -- then in the Newsweek numbers a hundred of the best high schools in the country rated by Newsweek. Three of them are Massachusetts high schools and those three are Charter Schools so in other words. None of our high school kids in the regular public school system. Are achieving an appropriate level I thought Massachusetts is doing great compared to the rest of the country how do you jibe those contradictions."

" We are the chart is doing an even better job and the fact of the matter is having control at the school level. Means that when you're really clear goals in the goals the Charter Schools are pretty clear it's basic excellence in math and science and English and history. You can get it done when you have a lethargic. And sometimes hard to manage bureaucracy have to move everybody in the right direction it takes a lot longer and a mushy -- me get -- so. To -- point cut. Yet -- do a better."

" Yeah I'm just separate from our Charter Schools I would have expected to Massachusetts high schools to make -- 200 best and sometimes it depends upon the fact is that going to a particular -- so for example and I think it's. NAEP RI MEPs have that then that's a national standard -- Massachusetts students always score at the top fourth grade grade math in English which I think was swept now the last three is a -- and and Mitt Romney continues and -- Deval Patrick. It's an astounding a -- to reprogram the computers that -- on. Hot hot hot hot that would be and inside trek but I've -- than anybody thought of that Sharon Massachusetts -- to do well but. Never rainy time -- place for complacency and I think that's a lot of what the pioneer messages sent. Folks like -- senate spot -- clarity and others as a matchup especially political complacency Sharon your NW RKO Jim Sturgis here and the pioneer institute."

" I I don't I figured calling -- aren't writing it not work but my daughter -- and the article in all it. Okay so I've had a experience but it's thought it would impact."

" During -- years was this Sharon."

" Obviously now right freshmen as Hewitt they -- from kindergarten is great that it. Okay. The the experience he had Airways -- and I'm her academics in terms of the match it was very very strong. I come from a family of public school educated my what I'm principle is that my mother isn't he there. In so I'm I'm looking at about all right now true I think what. The argument -- not in byte count okay because the choice issue -- a lot of bad things going back and forth because it those are. My daughter and I hate right I went out on paper are about right. By believing what you don't need -- elite eight all around but. Some of the things that started well does not require a lot of money simple things like uniform. Simple things like it but when -- that public schools yet it."

" that's a good point I wanted to -- Jim along those lines Sharon how many 75 million dollar high schools. Have been built for charters. To it to be the top schools in the state mean it just doesn't happen looked peeved when when service built at school in Springfield -- do a fraction of the cost -- I believe it was fourteen million dollars. For a school that serves 1200 kids a comparable school was built by the district. And with something on the -- 35 million dollar -- do a better faster cheaper I agree with all that but I think look Sharon thank you for your call for a second thing is. We all make choices you made some choices I mean chosen by moving out of Boston I don't think some people actually have the ability to move out of Boston. Some folks don't have the Charter Schools appear disposal. Yes uniforms yes discipline and you go one of the best charter school and one of the best should say it all just keep one of the best schools. For teaching civics that school is actually fantastically teach history to -- the founding. All that stuff is really important have really strong citizens especially citizens who are immigrants who can really participate in the public thing Jim does a virtually every."

" But charter school take advantage of the opportunities to do longer school day EU and longer school year there any that pattern themselves. After the public monologue to all of them say. That's not enough for our students we're gonna go the other way."

" The -- definitely people do longer. They also do it differently some schools kind of blow up if you will the class size and debate and we'll have larger survey classes but then the little -- have. Much more almost hands on one teacher. Three students much more tutoring because they know that in the homes of these children often there's not a -- had any kind of education to speak up."

" So they have to actually this is how they they break of that that mythology. From from the unions about how you can educate kids who come from bad homes he can if you try. -- in Charter Schools they try and they succeed in in in -- miraculously small periods of time they take kids who were failing or members of gangs who were really. In the worst kind of scenario in terms of their profile they turn them into suburban type kids. In terms of their achievement in school it's really it's a wonderful thing to say. My -- WRQ Jim -- good morning. --"

" I write yours might you run the -- go ahead all right -- bomb. Right I luckily I was able them a lot of off because I had avoid stuff but I do want you know -- want them out these education extra. But my work but like it'll ever brought them here they were paper I'll be very hard pressed to put my child -- a charter school even though academics might be a little more are superior. Because of all my boy Bradley. And I. I want the most port street I want some you know to do to do the sports betting that I guess what I I don't speed -- charters school. Not at all except for some moderately self Bob that I felt that but -- put together but."

" a Charter Schools have the ability to cross over and UB parts a sports teams are now it's not a very friendly reception Mike thanks for your question I think looking comes down to the truth the simple fact that. I would never say to the Charter Schools -- the end all be ol' dumb enough to work for you if you actually put a premium on athletics. Dare there. To provide a safety -- for kids who want absolute academic excellence that's a priority. The end they just don't have the means and in the fact the matters Charter Schools get something on the order of 9400 dollars. A year. Per student in the district schools that are sending this to students to those Charter Schools get about thirteen 1400 -- so there's that extra money there to provide for sports -- and they also get school building assistance which is a different fund that comes over the treasurer's office. Four buildings and Charter Schools get about 890 dollars but you -- I don't suppose then that we can pass to do it nobody's tried making a jock academy. Nobody's tried to do that the because I like -- me."

" the other extracurricular stuff that would be familiar with drama bands. School newspaper -- schools same thing a little bit of a differential they between the ordinary public school and a child to school. It depends on the charter Tom if there are some that actually put a premium on a conservatory left for until puts a premium on it on music. So if you really want add an academic excellence plus. Plus music shouldn't go there and there are some that focus on theater. But the fact that matters we had more of them we built -- address some of these issues that we don't have an awful. 617266. Succeeds succeed Noel are Noelle you're NW RQ I know."

" Good morning good morning. Yes -- just one. Give my experience what Charter Schools which are not recorded before. Problem I love Charter Schools might sort of been the -- quote from middle school and chilly and high school right now. And what that -- charter school that. I want my -- when they had Saturday class. Because they're very begin mass and chew chew gum problems at the -- And anesthetic class side decorum in middle school and she end up gradually then top of the class. And in high school and also they have work longer days each student -- widow from college college student comes -- and -- little all the kids. And right now is a program. That was provided. -- would Harvard Harvard university's associate in the summertime you go to Harvard University. She's big on campus all week you know where you Lou I do it often."

" So obviously you see this is a unique opportunity for your daughter to break through the traditional. The socioeconomic barriers and have access to a future first -- than usual --"

" Yes what she went from having problems and map. So -- class and right now I guess say economic university wish goes to in this somewhat true hole high school him. They've paid out 200 dollars a week diva oh laptop and just stay on campus brought the week or weekend in the problem. And -- she'll also get college credit."

" All right so there you -- there's a great example of the wonderful future of the Charter Schools can provide that the democratic establishment in the state of Massachusetts so fights to destroy. And Jim surges here from pioneer institute reminding us about this legislation today is there any action people who were motivated can take to influence you think the vote today."

" website that we set up where people considered letters to their legislators. I would urge you of the pioneer YouTube website -- to dot org. You can go there and don't click on this or for the letter you can. Change it up as much you want it's important to meet your voice heard Knowles voice is important I've good daughters. Legislators will understand that. They have kids too. So those sorts of heartfelt letters will matter a lot."

" How much of the of the citizen power structure state reps and senators. I I hear a lot anecdotally people sending their kids -- Charter Schools who were part of the power structure of the state. Is is that accurate my perception I don't know is the truth I don't know. How well we you've heard do you hear a lot of them."

" Well clearly we hear about some poster in the Boston mayoral race about some folks are giving it to -- to schools and also think. But I I honestly don't know frankly it's not something it may -- to better and would be -- to take but frankly we just go out and say look it works out and the fact that matters to your kids you have people like Noll who are the face of the next civil rights discussion. In the question is do we give folks in the inner city and ability to succeed economically. And to become leaders or do we not. So we can talk all the talk we wanna do but we don't do education we don't do it."

" Jim surges pioneer and Susie thank you for being here today could be your vote on this legislation. If you wanna call up your legislator it's not a bad data do it and harass them a little bit about making sure they get rid of the poison pills in the legislation. And make sure they support the expansion of Charter Schools and state of Massachusetts and you do that letter thing pioneer institute dot org. Coming up we've got our business they were talk about General Motors CEO Steve -- owners General Motors certain payback the money."

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