Saturday's Alright For Healthcare

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" Good but we are at one half the usual dynamic duo Tom Coburn hit hard -- for everything away on vacation. For another couple of days to be back with us meet this week so much to talk about veterans day and we'll have some special guests during the course of the show today. New information. Continued development of the story -- about the shooting down of Fort Hood 10% unemployment Steve's site -- by the way is back on vacation so we'll do our usual Steve sized segment but healthcare is -- topical gonna get right to the lines lots of people. Calling in on this one at 6172666868. Let's be let's let me be very quickly before we get to work through the calls this you'll have tax increases and it has tax increases in -- increased fees. Limitations on health savings accounts which I think of one of the best innovations we've had in many many years no limitations imposed on those health savings accounts. Also to penalties and by the way. It extends coverage for families up to 400%. Of poverty. If that sounds a little head scratching dealer reported in terms that you can understand. Let's say an income of 88000. -- for family for that is not what I call poverty. And yet. People will be eligible for coverage. Under this under this plan that was passed in the house by a razor thin margin of 220 to 215 in a very rare Saturday session. Let's go to -- she's been all the for a while -- and good morning and welcome."

" Who was 6% that's not gonna be --"

" Well let's see how. That's a good question they have they say this will extend coverage to 36 million I don't know -- that anybody has an accurate headcount on this by the way. I think once."

" the government not expedite the population could then got in involved yet I don't get it but anyway in the arteries are answered that. I understand it. They don't make me I sharp like dark outside of -- unstoppable -- and then they gonna get -- right back at it it drug -- that I."

" Yeah when you get that you might get hacked it depends on what final version passes you might get some tax credits to assist you in the payment you premiums depending upon your income. Subsidies he -- tax credits are allegedly going to be provided. In order of to give people the wherewithal to make this happen."

" Yeah asking me I'm already monthly income what I oh I am right -- lie yeah it isn't going to happen and I got to give people in jail I can't come up for. 500 bought Wal-Mart. And then wait till the end you know -- door."

" Yeah and you know that this gonna impose a an obligation on employers -- self employed -- they don't -- imposed obligation on employers. Either provide health insurance to their employees or pay a penalty. I don't have to tell you Jim what's going on out there who who with the economy. And the notion of tax increases penalties fees. Other responsibilities being added on to people are already struggling to try to make meet payroll. And run run a legitimate business a going to be very very difficult time."

" You gonna do -- little battery mullah -- one person's self employed -- probably you can accompany it I mean."

" Yeah well the idea we knew you run the risk of being defined if in fact a lot of about it I think it's two and a half percent of you even come. Although then they would say chief Jim we're gonna provide you with a subsidy pandora tax credit so that it's not all coming out of your pocket. It's how to let me ask you this Jamie for -- go how do you do your health care right now."

" I don't look right through any of what if they. I have LAPD the -- but a lot of crap. She liked what I the thought that I pay yeah I got 120 dollars not extravagant yeah well it's gonna be go at it."

" Yeah I -- now well I mean. That's I I I think what you do actually is probably a the healthiest way to approach it right now not healthy in in terms of your health. But in terms of finances go work out and Iran over the documents say. You don't have to go through any paperwork with me give you cash right on the barrel that whenever I show up."

" But they can't do that anymore right."

" You won't be able -- you won't be able to you're gonna have to demonstrate proof of coverage to appreciate the call how -- don't be afraid to -- senator by the -- 6172666868. Let's go to Bob hey Bob good morning and welcome here on the what Tom Finneran."

" Good morning Tom -- read a book I'd like to recommend Jim have you read it already. Biography of Louis Brandeis."

" Oh I have not read it I've heard about it Bob Sheridan from SP ally is a huge admirer of justice Brandeis. Here's a local guy as you know obviously."

" If she was released from Louisville Kentucky but most of his life and message or yeah that's right well but the tight end Tom is well you mentioned the guy who has PL like. -- the pretty much the father of save expect our life insurance that now."

" He certainly is whenever I'm in a teasing move on call up Bob Sheridan and say it's tied for the lead to imagine you. As the second Louis Brandeis that and he -- to kick out of it. I -- the affiliation and ask the allies has with justice Brandeis is is really. But it's significant in its impressive."

" Now he is attorney and Tom Tom gave you know he had a certain amount of disdain for big -- no question about that is known as a progressive at the time. Very much so an early with Barbara Colette from what kind of up however. Savings bank life insurance was not a government program and is not."

" There was a prize eggs and that is a great point I'm so glad you made the call and in the -- and it was a private sector response. -- to what they -- is the opportunities. Created in the marketplace. By big business that had been you know that that just suffered from all the classic in deficiencies in bureaucracy. Bureaucracies. We associate with anything. That encourage big."

" Exactly and Tom he had an equal amount of disdain for big cut government of the different victors because that's that's the curious part about it you would definitely be against this stuff. This helped get bill. Albert quickly -- go to our quick question for you that we -- know this is at 1909 page still. I won't -- drafted it."

" A variety of people but basically to -- the staff had to have probably two or three different committees. The health care committee the finance committee would be involved and at the insurance committees would be involved -- that. And it would be staffers working at the direction of you know congressman so and so on such and such so you know in and they include those staff people I don't I'm not an automatic anti government. Crusader. They're very smart people very well educated but you know for the most but they're following a political course -- you know policy judgment that is infused an informed by zero by their politics and a lot of this has been. Very well left of center as you can imagine 6172666868. Richard is next Richard thanks for Colin thanks -- on your patient guy."

" Thought -- this Dario what I have to look budgets are -- AARP. -- to -- day. What are they think I have the quake -- hit it big big epic data -- sculpture that."

" Well I suppose it depends on how sustain the anger is within their membership and how well informed the members AARP will. Begin an informational campaign with email blasts and literature and correspondence to the members suggesting that there endorsement was. Favorable to the end the arrange to woods themselves and into the gym members and they'll dress it up in their own language in the -- I might you know you and I might call a propaganda. It will be up to the recipients. To see you know to reconcile. That propaganda with the Rome. Information you know -- other recipients for the most proud listening to this show they -- reading the papers are they well informed or they just gonna except. What I call the propaganda. At face value would say oh gee this is a great deal I mean AARP runs a very very big health program itself they are and ensure. That's one of the benefits that they that they provide and I'll put quotes around that word benefits -- Richard time but I."

" yeah I just get under yeah."

" First of all why they would do not like this and it did."

" What barely missed that that there are like the senior who are not stupid about it at 400 billion dollar bought it out yeah I'll I'll want to vote out of."

" to me in the connection is breaking up Richard so we'll let you go but did that to me is a great great question. If you're gonna squeeze 400 -- may be 500 billion dollars out of a Medicare program that is already notorious. Notorious for short changing -- provide as. How does that help or improve the quality. Of coverage that time and attention you're going to get as a senior citizen. But you know when you have how could AARP get to that point to make that decision there's a simple rule for all the money. The fall all the money they probably had -- reached a conclusion internally after analysis that passage of this bill. We'll be better for them and it's not beyond the pale. That they may see risks in they they may -- risks to their business operation coming from congress if they did not get on board. I could ask and I think we could ask the same question about the AMA -- American Medical Association. How does a group that reports to represent the interests of doctors. A sign up and yet they did. I know any number of doctors are -- one just last week. A dentist I was talking to last week who said. -- don't tell me out of this thing this is absolutely ridiculous it's gonna hurt me my family my practice that I work. So hot foreigners -- very successful guy. Nobody should begrudge him a success it came to the America through what I call traditional. American values hot work sacrifice and -- And finally it is they have finally there's a return on that -- 6172666860. At the topic is health care. Passed in a rare Saturday and 220. To a 215. Let's go to Jeff good morning Jeff Brian Iwuh Tom Finneran."

" Good morning Tom understood -- what that caller just said. You don't but what if Obama and Obama did say that he wants to cut short of 500 billion dollars of fraud out of this system. You know if and it's an official wants to cut out fraud therefore he already knows about the fraud get rid of the fraud or get out of office we'll get a respite. If we knew a budget -- didn't wanna hear what do we can get rid of all these bank -- east and then we're gonna start this program. No the it would have --"

" You stop the background I mean it it it is frustrating beyond words as an -- you know they say 400 billion in savings because of waste fraud abuse and you say. Can we stop could we have stopped that five years ago so would have -- average -- Piled up in the C."

" This -- it punish kids for. It and it's just sits at W. And -- everything the government does. Eventually -- start so subsidized. The train the post office everything is subsidized in the civil Medicare works so Medicaid works no it doesn't and I -- fair market value note to compete -- said -- that it."

" City grows over time -- the so he grows and grows over time. And it puts and it puts unfair competitive pressure is on private sort of people who don't have those crutches to -- not."

" Yeah and let's not forget no one key that I want -- to repeat this and such Adobe -- from wherever he is. Yeah I'm not gonna have to be in the system meaning congress the president not this staffers and if it's not good enough for them why isn't good enough for us. Thank you --"

" Okay Jeff thanks for the call you know -- again here he is a curious one now he has his challenge for all of us to try to figure out how this one works in the bill. In terms of the financing of the bill I believe it's a 21. Imposed on the manufacturers. Of medical. Devices. So medical devices would be some of the surgical equipment that's so thin that is just phenomenal beyond words. MRI cat -- also it's a catheter issues stands. Hip replacements knee replacements those of those who were called medical. Devices congress have been he paid 2.3 billion dollar. Amen to surcharge of some sort on those. On those devices how is how is that the that cost is not then passed through. The other maker of the -- that's been no. Or are -- that might alleviate some type of pressure that I have on my brain or something that allows my how to function at a greater capacity. And say you've been judging -- now all -- government is going to oppose this. This -- upon you it's gonna be X plus the fee is a -- I mean do people actually think that somehow or -- the medical device manufacturers. Are just gonna absorb this cost. That is -- that is just beyond beyond words and in terms of its. In terms of its absurdity 6172666868. Is the number with taking your calls on the health care legislation let's go right to Bob Bob good morning -- next. What -- parent conference for a main M 680 WRKO."

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" And relatively congressional office building and I wanted to prove my congresswoman. I'm of course you typically do or not people's business. But I love the question what that you put staff and the question why are they are glad I'm not -- mathematically challenged because. Hey did you know how do you cut -- I had twenty billion added fourteen million people -- just -- and Doritos the quality of care."

" Well you know and and again these are this that this is what I mean engaging in no wishful thinking. Illusion as well as delusion -- glad you went -- glad he asked the questions. At some point somebody's going to be forced to answer them a problem for many of us is that. The answers to these questions and they really unanswerable because you can't do what has been described UConn and thirty to forty million people to help ensure trolls squeeze Medicare by four to 500 billion dollars impose taxes fees penalties levees. In the rest and everybody else with no one hurting the economy and who driving down the quality and the the timeliness. Of the health care that we presently receive. I -- as sympathetic as any person on the planet. To the plight of people who find themselves without health insurance but you don't have to do a radical. Transformation. All of the health care system in order to begin to address some of those things you just don't have to do so Bob I appreciate the call more importantly I appreciate the fact that it's at that time to. Get done is DC to raise those questions. 6172666860. We are broadcasting live from the demo. Lounge in the seaport hotel. And honoring veterans day yeah where did two with two days early from the official date. But we're proud of a celebration down here for -- some extraordinary people will be doing pots of -- recognizing certain folks during the course of the day -- let's go right to do and in his next Canadian welcome -- running out."

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" I'm MySpace users everybody's talking about these 39 Democrats with -- this court. Do much if there was so much -- why -- both block well it starts to wait until almost all worked what -- eighteen --"

" Well you don't know what what the dynamic -- and I don't mean to you know get on my soapbox here on behalf of speaker Pelosi but the bill evolves. Literally while the debate is going on so a lot there was a lot of controversy around immigration there was a lot of controversy around abortion questions and abortion coverage. And there were more than 39 Democrats who would indicate -- don't count on us. If certain languages not added to address these abortion indoor car immigration controversy so. They try to do it there's there's there really trying to walk a fine line in balance at. Without losing additional support they try to respond so the 39 I think I have to think this stint. I have to think that they had indicated to speaker Pelosi. I don't count on us even under the best of circumstances we wanna encourage you to make changes to this bill that we find unacceptable but even then. We are probably gonna take a walk on you madam speaker we're going to be recorded in opposition to this bill healthcare has passed the United States congress and a rare Saturday vote. Very close budget and now goes to the Senate with taking your calls on it at 617. 2666868. Tom Finneran from WRKO affecting you in a moment on AM 68 WRKO."

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" Yes anytime I heard still on vacation I. Look at haven't one day lead to another to another -- election be back with us on Wednesday. It's you and -- flying solo about the seaport hotel from a to have broadcasting live from the camel -- lounge. Little later in the show we'll have a guest general Joseph -- fed is a local -- BC -- as a matter of fact the -- I think he probably try to get into labs -- Gonna make it another animal nonetheless went to BCI and it's really been an extraordinary leader and our armed forces. Will be targeted general Joseph done for a little bit later in the show right now have a however we have talking to you about health care. Past the US congress in a rare Saturday session -- 120. To 250 we're gonna go right to the calls. -- opinion on this set 6172666868. Before we do that let me connect three quick -- less than sixty seconds. Unemployment figures hit 10%. On Friday that was the that's the official report I think most people know if the official report is that bad. It's significantly high in many regions of the country significantly. Higher. Then 10%. He is Mitch McConnell he is the Republican leader senator out of Texas describing what is gonna happen in the Senate. Quote assumed senate Democrats will propose the own version of health -- we don't know how big it will be or how expensive. But we do know with certainty that will mean higher premiums. Higher taxes. And massive cuts to Medicare to create even more. Government programs that's not reform. And quote maybe even more relevant than Mitch McConnell. Listen what Joe Lieberman just Joe Lieberman says specifically when he talks about the public plan the public option. He calls -- an entitlement. That is quote probably being advocated by some people who really want a total league government controlled. Single Payer system. If you look back at discussions about health here in previous years he's never been anything like this this has now become a litmus test. In I think it is unnecessary. So speaks Joe Lieberman. Former democratic. Candidate former vice president now what seems a little bit more personally approved politically comfortable as an independent. We again broadcasting live from the seaport hotel let's go right to the calls Mike thanks for column thanks for -- on Iran EO Tom Finneran."

" Good morning -- big good topic at hand and what I wonder about here is the Civil Disobedience does that work. -- can we -- step if if this thing passes. I can do the whole thing unconstitutional. That's much like my fundamental objection it is unconstitutional. If you can read you know Madison. He says you know that the power of Oprah government are enumerated. Infection and a and this certainly isn't in there."

" it's not specifically enumerate it to the federal government's it's left of the states and curiously enough Massachusetts as you know a few years back. That has moved in this direction itself. They used to be they used to be incensed out of Washington and I don't know if it's completely dormant or indeed dead. They used to be a sense in Washington that hey we can let the fifty states to their own devices we have fifty social laboratories -- we can look at those laboratories and decide what if anything. Makes cents on the now."

" Hey hey hey can't you remember back in the -- police told you to get -- the street you during -- just sit there and have to drag you away you know that's that's passive resistance DoubleClick obedient. What I want Catholic country doesn't -- how can we don't by telephone jail."

" well I mean I don't I don't way to go Michael Mike I think Iraq I mean you are around to something I wondered the American people have it in -- that's what. To do that anymore you know for civil rights it was it's it was an emotional cause it was a spiritual cause."

" With a tired of the declaration of independence put himself up against yeah when they -- that they're there of their lives their fortune minerals yeah most of the lost all that well yeah for high struck the dog's name your name I don't do it welfare right now how do what I won't buy this insurance yeah I'll get off all insurance. You can throw me in jail take away my house okay because -- that's determined. This -- this fascism and communism wherever you wanna call it good you might you might and one of the people call energy pledge. That -- it right here. I've had to -- these people."

" Good stuff good good good good field mice fed is that is pretty forceful that is for the voice of real American speaking up and familiar with the history familiar with constitutional principles and just saying hey not in my name and don't count on -- not gonna GM this down my throat. No way of the world on the self sufficient responsible individual and I know they don't need a nanny state to tell me how to live what to do. 617266686839. Republicans and I'm sorry 39 Democrats. Voted against the speaker Pelosi on this created a razor thin margin really just a shift of three votes would have put this some would doom this thing. Presidential bomber of the months and months and months of speech of trying to rhetoric and lobbying and the like as well as speaker Pelosi. Were able to finally do it but it's now November it's certainly not August and of course it was so President Obama who set the initial deadline of wanting this bill. On his desk by artist you remember that you remember that demand do you remember that insistence. That was before. Any of the town meetings happen and it may be President Obama was had had a good a sense of both political raid out political perception. Probably gonna get it and a decent ideas that if in fact that he can both members of congress went home to town meetings. That they would meet a restless. A bunch of constituents well wrestlers would be the most diplomatic -- I could use there was a lot of thought a lot of fire a lot of energy in those town halls a lot of information back and forth and so. That is made the road to help. Let's get right to the calls David is Colin David thanks for -- thanks for Obama."

" I sort of say. If you wanted to know why ARP. And T shirt company. And did some of these other groups the AMA oil -- what is I -- you read. Obama -- it's what the bright boy is. Is that Dick Morris and Eileen became an editorial -- next dot com green candidate really details of the pride it's unbelievable."

" Do you meet David give us that one again because -- want Clark C Barrick back at the studio to make sure we do any a link up on our website."

" Okay want to do what do what you want total."

" It will like it Morrison had just give us the site. Yet that -- during hot news next dot com did you get there."

" Or Obama care endorsement what the bribe what is couldn't stop on the upper right and up. He apparently he PA MA is really just an insurance company how they don't care about their members of you can't really switched to com. What candidate and here I. American he use an associate. As Americans -- being -- dot org they don't care about rescinded the way to connect to cut Medicare. I'm scared that now I just turned sixty Arabs did know what I'm not -- five they're getting tummy well you know you're too old had a great life have been educated --"

" You know David it's instructive. The lessons. That in the experiences we see first hand in systems that have moved in this direction. Canada or in the UK for the most thought. In the public. What all the public is generally acceptance of the idea. Of government being involved. There's a growing for frustration and then his insistence that they move toward more toward the American model. While here in the United States of America apparently. Apparently was going to be instructed to move. In the direction of their model like me if I could figure it out for you I would other than you hear the exasperation in my voice appreciate the call 617. 2666860. Will make sure court against that link up on the site so you can read about that because that's -- that's important. Let's go to Tony Tony is next hey Tony good morning and welcome."

" Good morning Tom -- A two point number one. I haven't heard the first bullet she hit it is struck is striving to -- whole thing because they're not."

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" The Big -- and healthcare policy. No but the question -- never asked what could choose who. The -- Obama to insurance company. Did did did -- what it what they call it. What do they call that now he would put option public you should you showed a public option Mikey the issue."

" crucial blue cross blue shield because if you could if you're ready to limits on which you can Sudanese government. If nobody branch put that question up there."

" The you know that's a that that is a good question and I suppose it's buried somewhere in the very very dense fine print."

" Buried literally buried -- is problematic terror dig into the worst Dolores went along -- The trot our all of the warlords go along -- because of their best interest."

" And and the crazy thing about it's really this -- of people who think Obama care is great if."

" Is this -- Universal. Socialized medicine when that idea evidently. It works so well made an outcome they all have port --"

" Because split trying to get tickets they dig debt healthcare they're people I don't think about it."

" Yeah I mean it they have they'd literally do have this is with the -- phrase death panels that Sarah Palin concocted and was widely ridiculed fought. This is with a notion of death panels actually begins to take full form and shape this rationing in the UK it is no question. There's absolutely no question about it if you come down with certain forms of cancer. Or hot disease or any of the other ailments that we associate with. All the rage in a -- out over a certain age forget it CEO -- and they just say gee we don't do it it's not enough budget. I've always been astounded at the notion and there are pictures that go with that -- doctors and nurses going on strike can you imagine approaching mass general hospital. Brigham and women's or any the other great hospitals that we have here in Boston in this picket line of doctors and nurses -- front that you go win. Which year with -- you're sick daughter or your Braylon failing parents or your spouse or some like that. And you cross the picket line because of this crumpled health care providers and that's actually the experience in Canada or in the UK. Astounding to me 6172666868. Let's go to Robert Robert you are next with Tom Finneran welcome."

" Good morning has -- I would just like to make this point there are actually. Fourth branch as when it comes to the terms of checks and balances says the executives. There's still a judicial as the legislative. And NetSuite of people. Anywhere watching and I want to watch what that last car couple Carlos and broke -- I -- double by any state from the government when it's forced unleashed. -- quoted GL I won't give up my life. This is really target -- chip cookie you pal cookie Barack tried to get edited on Friday morning are. George W. Bush pushed it Democrats are little children at the time that attack was gonna."

" Okay think we might have a connection their run it but -- is also pledging Civil Disobedience. A couple of more than more than a couple of citizens -- quite worked up about this bill. And thinking that this is unconstitutional. And so infuriating that they're just not gonna play along. Don't count us in is basically what this and we'll take a short break and be back to your calls -- Tom Finneran broadcasting live from the seaport. 6172666868. Back do you -- moment on AM 680 WRK off."

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