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" Go get another -- to out of -- little bit of rain out there -- says is gonna get better there over the next few days so that is Finneran is forecast. -- solely responsible tried out his FaceBook page ha ha ha ha ha ha don't spend a lot of time you wanted you'll be able to fill the I won't go to -- except Todd paid gets say that's good day there's a one that's affluent and pitch on our WRK dot com page -- talk a little health care because as you know. The Senate has now embraced at least for the time being Harry Reid says he wants the public option in the bill so while we're now moving ahead with this thing were going to endure very exciting period of time because I think -- Harry Reid doesn't even know what's gonna happen no --"

" It does seem to be wild and woolly time Olympia Snowe has a jump ship -- now that he has insisted on inclusion of a public option Joe Lieberman says don't count on me. Yeah I have to think that there -- a couple of other moderate Democrats. Ben Nelson Nelson is on -- what Andrew isn't on board may be by. How about blanch Lincoln dollar Arlington on I'm sure there's some big big questions and elect a guy who spent a lot of time to give credit where credit is due -- act. He comes in here and it looks like -- know a you know version of the encyclopedia Britannica or and he tells us that's the abbreviated version of the 1500 page bill so -- curvature of the spine from organized around and he knows this stuff."

" Build it back welcome to WRKO. What -- good thanks Scott I Tom nice to see you both villas gonna take over the Senate seat there will be vacant -- from former congressman John -- on the north shore not a -- dice is senate Egypt. FF FF yeah why are you in that race loudly -- but Scott -- a tremendous sense there's not a good candidate now obsolete but -- we see those Democrats Seattle nervous. Maybe you could run on the democratic ticket anyway good practice here. Because. A couple months ago he did his own town hall meeting up on the north shore because. Tierney wouldn't have one. And it was an amazing event I attended and in your knowledge bill was so shocking I don't quite understand how you can know so much about something that. Nobody wants you don't know anything about this and when is so complex but. You look good handle on this stuff so -- tell us what's gone wrong with the public option as you see it in your sense of -- what's going on politically now."

" Well I mean right now I think which is CN is. Exactly that it's all politics it's it's they've kind of lost the focus on what the real intent here of trying to reform. The health care. In the health insurance are rules which is really what it's about you know what started out supposed to be health care reform but. They've since tried to turn it into health insurance reform and when people really dig into it. What they realizes that the focus and move the in the direction was off. -- and when the Democrats themselves out of the blue dog Democrats really realize what was going on and they put the brakes on it. It's resulted in a real political football. How best and now not only. Get some type -- reform through but to do -- in a way that saves face for those that tried to over reach in the very beginning I think that's what's really going on right now -- why you why the continue to overreach on the public option why would you back off on that having realized at that created a firestorm well because I think it's an ideology the people that tried to push it in the first place sincerely believe that the public option is the way to go. And what what I think has happened is they've run into so many obstacles with people that say wait a minute let's really think about whether we can afford this plan at this point in time. And whether it's the way to go when you talk about. Affecting 16% of the national economy. And so when the real debate started which is what all legislation should be issue should be a real true honest debate make sure that every single interest. Is covered and make sure the you do things in a responsible way. It resulted in a lot of political wrangling that's the best way to do it's I think that there's still pushing it because. The liberals who really believe in the public option and really believe in single Payer and really believe the government should take over health care. Basically wanna get their foot in the door anyway they can."

" There's there's no way we -- bill this is their moment they see a president who agrees with him he's he's just specifically said an early times I'm for single Payer. So he'll find ways to get the -- even if it's in directly in a little bit more slowly than they would like. And they look at comes the most comfortable majorities democratic majorities in the house and in the Senate they say. If not now win so they want a portion of that base is very very active and very skillful they're very aggressive."

" I don't get the public option in -- if you're looking at this non politically just looking at it sincerely. I don't understand what the public option does other than provide the stealth opportunity. To create a single Payer model did all this rhetoric they use about how are creates competition. And it's gonna force the the evil insurance companies to lower their prices that could only happen if the public option is running a little bit cheaper than the private insurers -- with thank. A creating a competitive atmosphere that would. -- allow them to drive down their costs a little bit and stay competitive without driving them out of business but I don't see how that can happen. If if it's gonna be a government endorsed health plan. Would government subsidized with reduce costs so that it can drive down costs and insurance that's gonna drive people lot of insurance businesses and it swaps."

" Molina and I think this is where there's a philosophical difference the the people that are pushing for the public option have no faith. In the free market system to do the job right but then they're lying about what they're saying but I think the very hypocritical with what they're doing you know on the one handy they say on the outside we want competition but. The truth of the matter is that the whole purpose of a single Payer or public options. Is to let the government step in and the guys who are pretending or want to let their constituents believe that they are doing the public good. They wanna control it by forms of price controls. And deciding exactly what doctors and so forth should be able to receive them by doing that that's their way of controlling competition in other words. What they'll do is they will say to a doctor look we know you need to make a hundred bucks. But we're only gonna pay you 47 cents on the dollar because we want a forced these insurance companies to drop their rates. And so it's a way of using price controls. And a forced government. Lower cost program to try to force the free market down instead of letting it happen natural."

" Bill I'm sure you looked at -- heard at least some of the not financing proposals how would the government pay for this big big expansion. And the president and others say with about 400 billion dollars in Medicaid Medicare. Savings they can ring that out of Medicare and waste fraud abuse do you buy that in if you don't. Tell us what you know tell us what you think is the you know the the what are the fictions in that state."

" Well there's so many governments not even funny that the very first thing you need to understand is that Medicare and Medicaid both being government programs that are very popular. And very entrenched in our society now. They tend to be footballs that the politicians used to be very careful not to sound like there -- affecting them and a bad way. So -- remember politicians only spending the congress only spends about eighty active days in session so they wanna be able to say we're doing good things. In fact. If you look at it there is no question in there that there is there are hundreds are tens at least tens of billions of dollars worth of fraud going on those programs every single day. Now an honest politician would say we really have to go attack that period and and to re not a blanket has some new program right I mean if if if the program is going bankrupt as it is. The first thing you should do -- look at the program seriously and take the fraud and waste out of it period and save the money. Saving money from a program that is that where the money's being wasted is not. It's not cost -- that's not a way to fund a new program it's a way to stop -- current program from going bankrupt. So when they say what we're gonna do first of all is saved. 400 billion dollars from a program that's not a way to fund a new program that's a way to make it current probe try and they can't just may make it sustainable down sixty minutes that a pretty extensive. A bit of programming on -- Sunday night. And they talked about southern Florida for example is becoming the epicenter of Medicare fraud but it's -- in every single."

" That was a great report I was thinking of going into the Medicare fraud business after they outline how easy it is and how profitable than you and I could do prosthetic device -- very welcomed by the federal government if you wanna ripoff Medicare apparently this it's sixty billion dollars a year and in fraud it's it's shocking stuff anyway bill would back his series a candidate for congress we're talking about healthcare if you have questions about this plan. Or wanna comment on where the thank you should go through and activists call 617. 2666860. -- good morning your NW RKO bill --"

" Very good morning guys and hey good -- go thanks to. I've tried you know you're just kind of pondering how they can't mention how competition and -- price where does that makes sense. It doesn't make sense it is beyond the political tactic it's -- During Obama's campaign very good mark Logan brought out how August he used to be sol and -- tactics. And what they do they use language. All of the competition. You know he's using -- conservative black resentment estate -- and bring competition when it really is it just allied with the it's a political tactic -- it doesn't make sense because it's not real."

" Well the other thing they do say if they argue the other side of a you know they say on the one hand we're gonna save you all kinds of money. Because we're gonna drive down costs and then they say they were arguing this this weekend Nancy Weiner the congressman from New York with -- All this is gonna be is a tiny sliver of the population is gonna be on the public option -- impact and that's why everybody saw an arm."

" That is an absurd statement because as soon as you offer a lower -- come a comparable. And lower priced product which the government is gonna be able to do one because they won't have the administrative costs why because apparently they don't take seriously any of the Medicare fraud. That is going not where if you and I ran on a private company private health insurance company built. We're gonna be making sure that the claims a legitimate claim to be fully paid up right for Iraq so our admin costs have been a lot. -- we're gonna have to pay a return on investment to the people are investors who. Put us in business. Government is not gonna have those requirements and the F fall. Hundreds of millions in my opinion many millions may be -- at that way. Many millions people would eventually migrate to the government plan because the built in competitive advantages for themselves that nobody else has an opportunity."

" To gain BI and it's unbelievable and it's only that but on the government side and it about four years ago Duke University did a study. Which I've gone over with some detail about the effectiveness. Or lack of effectiveness of the way the government bureaucracy runs its business show. And when they when they analyze all regulations they put in place across the board on health care they. The total cost comes out to some like 330 billion dollars at least those with the numbers as of 2002 -- three which every year they studied. And when they really went through to look at the effectiveness of the holes. There were approximately 170 billion dollars worth the benefit generated from that 300 some odd billion dollars with outlets show so they essentially you know there -- a lot of a lot of indications and 170 billion of that is essentially wasted money now but now. Businesses can't afford to do that if they wanna stay in business because. You know they have to compete against the -- sure they had to drive bottom line this what does a what the reality to a private business that doesn't."

" Exist one another -- point about the about the costs that I thought was very interest -- Robert Samuelson who writes about economic issues for a I think it's a Wall Street Journal with syndicates have he had in his new call -- talking about this mythology about. Medicare and how efficient it is that it's only 3% its operating expenses but. The average cost of us 65 year old girl over for insurance is ten grand a year whereas the average cost for younger persons for brandy -- So automatically that's skews their percentage down makes them look like there. Brilliant savers when the actual difference in dollars as it was not so huge -- like some dog -- real good cause well we have bill let's take them out this 6172666868. Billion Iran they would build Dudek Todd -- me Tom Finneran."

" Good morning gentlemen welcome. Either have a few common sense questions that are no Democrat can be able to answer. More on the air base there already aware of 400 billion dollars affordable -- to Medicare. Why have they already doing something about that. There -- you. The way yet there is a public option to create one more option. If you remove the regulations. That would allow -- to buy insurance across state lines. Now all the Chinese have over eight under option. Now common sense to me feel as if -- is -- company is completely a bit -- That's a lot more competition. Then adding one more our company going to be a bit past governor catcher just well we're able to buy. Assurance from topic here in Missouri but yet I can't do that myself I'm. They don't think that's a better option that public option best failed public charter and Hawaii will -- elect Kevin launch went bankrupt."

" Great question bill let's get bill lewd -- response to a thank you for the call he had just real quickly on the why are they going after the fraud issue that that's an absolute mystery you know that's -- it's a political issue to say we're gonna do good things and they they forget about what they've done in the past attended just ignore it. On the on the competition this year absolutely right and it's it's funny because as. As the Republicans and people with common sense say we need competition let's open up across state lines I have yet to hear anybody. Give a reason not to allow and I'll tell you the current congressman that. Then I'm gonna displays his argument is so and it makes no sense it is. That states. Individual states have worked hard. To decide what they want their inhabitants to have and so we don't want people in Massachusetts. Who the state has decided need to have the Massachusetts mandates. Be able to go to Missouri and get the Missouri mandates because it it kinda defeats what Massachusetts all want to know but that is a legitimate argument in the you have fifty different systems right now so wouldn't it be difficult for insurer like. Like tufts in Massachusetts to suddenly be offering insurance nationwide because they have fifty different models no I don't think that's the issue I think the issue is. That people should be able to begin in choice and I think this is what people."

" Don't understand about why health care costs so high. You know that the most important reason the costs of insurance are so high is because the government mandates exactly what you must have as a minimum. And an if you look at insurance like a commodity -- have to look at like a car if you don't buy a car. Whatever option you have minute that's gonna drive the price up now the state of Massachusetts as we have a set of forty particular mandates plus you have to have -- estate conditions covered all of those things. When the insurance companies evaluate or value. The risk of having to deal with that they have to set a -- a certain price. That's what drives the price up now of people in Massachusetts decide what I don't want to do that I don't want to buy the Cadillac when all I can afford is a Hyundai or something along those lines. They would love to be able to go outside the state in just by a lesser demanding plan right now they don't have that option yup."

" Okay we'll talk more about it bill lewd act is here running for congress on the north shore. It's -- six AB WRKO."

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" Afghanistan custom. Yup when Kerry speaks day some commit suicide and a lot of noise we feel a semi. -- bill codec as you're talking health care how do you feel about the public option you wanted to go to correct me -- he's in favor of -- I think few others are but the Senate has got to try to pass it along with a healthcare measure how do you feel about this 617. 2666 -- succeed also -- questions actually about what the bill contains. And what it means bill who act as a virtual encyclopedia. He is the next congressman from the nor sure I think probably knows this legislation. Even though it's just been expanded by 50%. Better than most people on the congress -- all all the really -- just kinda shuffle in the -- now they've. You know they've got different versions but essentially they're all the same and all."

" Come down of the same basic concept it's a matter of trying to pretend the you know we'll do one little shorter so -- not a thousand pages but do before we went to the break you're talking about the town halls and a lot of the energy that was -- During the month of August John -- and he's -- a congressman up -- for a few years not always well like guys are very smart guy. And -- in up to a comment it to Todd that I think I just can't understand the unwillingness to you have your own town hall meetings to attend those that have. Develop to have ten organically. Like -- what when she -- sense as to the the reluctance the just the resistance. Through notion of coming -- speak and -- are you just don't -- we saw bodies -- do what we saw a big besides Stewart Steve lynch I know did at the bald -- on and then -- the road used to being in the arena with somebody's yelling at you because of a particular vote. I -- I think John -- missing an opportunity myself and he's creating opportunities for you but I'm not here NBA after this campaign I'm just curious what do you think against."

" Well I mean I can't I'm not gonna comment too much of what's gone through John journeys mind but. You know I know the when he stands up in front of a crowd it's it's not always. The type the situation is real comfortable at least that's my my limited experience as to what happened in the last two meetings that he just had -- look you can't claim congressman for being scared over the summer they are not accustomed to having constituents pay attention or anything and suddenly there was an uprising going -- well that's true and -- then I think that's what's getting lost here is that you know just because our congress doesn't mean that they're not people I mean there are there they are people they -- people -- responsibility a look at him in the giant talking to them. And I think what happens over the years sometimes people that stay in there. He's been in there now for thirteen years they just forget where they come from and they forget that you've got to look your constituents in the eye and shake their hands and talk to them and feel them and and not just go back to congress to be an elitist. 61726666. A great -- WR kill the bill lewd act good morning Greg."

" Before I make -- point you'll total listen to your constituents and that's what people were upset about I mean nobody was listening that was really. The part. Are you bookmark these offers they didn't care they could tell us. But anyway."

" Oh that's really important point Craig is there is this entrenched mentality. And a certain sense of untouched or villainy that that are members of congress have because they've been there so long and they. They have so much money in the -- so routinely -- but you don't see that realistically don't seem dead in lynch or not Franken doesn't two different people politically."

" I didn't you say well we're frank well well women tried to make a -- In the town hall meetings that party it doesn't have. The Obama you know -- to implement Nazi like policies which he did you if you if you know history she was right. I mean he he insulted and very inferno of you know why there's 200 people is supposed overpriced it didn't know industry she was right."

" That's -- although he was on TV insulting Ralph Nader the other death."

" If you can't help I'm -- I don't. Guidance since I. Had no idea why they can't just say that I biggest flop of a full debate I don't feel out the Massachusetts. Ducked for insurance both ten years ago OK explain this one to me and maybe prompt them confused up there. If you do that Syria reassurances people pull their money. Took to cover the risk right up until they teach you should have metal and go to mass while part. They tell you you cannot form a group specifically. For the purpose. But getting insurance. Now explain that to me. You have to be of AAA. How this -- Car calling to be able to sell discounted insurance."

" Well I think what you're talking about is you know government regulation tries to decide how they're gonna let the the -- they're going to limit the ability of the insurance comes to do anything and everything they want. And so I'm not sure exactly where you're getting that particular example but. That I mean that's a little bit ancient history to some degree -- part of what they did with the commonwealth connector was to try to increase the ability for people to pool their resources that way. So it a lot of this is a matter of public policy what how they want to regulate. And government dictate their turn NN has done everything."

" Bill bill is right it's done on a regulatory basis and it's designed our at least and that in theory it's designed. To prevent a lot of the abuses that have happened in the insurance industry over the years one of the reasons I believe that as a prohibition against buying insurance. Across state lines is because you don't wanna have Massachusetts residents who go out and it is simply a naively let's say by policy out of Arizona and the Arizona company doesn't have as a reserves has lousy underwriting -- we will stay here claim. And is nothing there we -- based."

" All we do this not only our insurance our national comedies come in they set up a company here and they have to follow our allies have got a solid check out there -- shared the wealth so exact and that's probably what is going to continue to develop in and around. Well I would hope would develop an Enron health insurance. And up and similarities to what you see on auto insurer would be better out of the public option had to be some basic requirement artillery -- York they would build it back Ifill."

" So go ahead. Talk to us -- feel."

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" Yes I -- dictatorship I'm I'm I'm glad the -- I'm so upset about what's going on them. -- My insurance. Pool -- cool yeah but -- doing that -- everyone I've talked it was taboo their insurance."

" Well that the public option is you I don't we don't know who it's aimed at that I think is the biggest problem is you know at first the idea was that there's a certain percentage of the population uninsured so let's get him insured. And let's do a public option that you know that takes care of everybody what we already know 85 or 86% are already somewhat satisfied they just want the prices driven -- So -- that's what I'm saying it's it has morphed into far beyond. And that's why they over reach and that's why they're having this problem and maybe if you break down the 47 million people which is what is at thirteen 14% of the American population if you break it down to people actually want to insurance and can't get it you're talking about tiny percentage of the population. And there were talking about -- not a ten million as -- death that's right I mean get it out there there's no question that it that at least a third of those and young people -- don't have insurance because I don't wanna pay for and then there's a bigger people who are temporary inside of the year are gonna have insurance are between jobs or otherwise between insurance policies she talked and in terms of permanently without insurance and wanted. An incremental amount of the country that's -- absolutely right not even request 3% may be a 4% right so we're gonna revamp the sixteen or 17% of the US economy to satisfy the needs of that small percentage of the population it's absolutely -- Ohio."

" That this was one of the biggest -- the most toughest political issues and by the Democrats in particular the very file left Democrats -- pushed up rock up the hill. In the face of eighty to 85% public satisfaction yeah were all little bit dismayed and concerned about cost you made that point bill but for the most but. I'm very very happy my daughter is a happy with their health insurance and they say to war why is Washington DC screwed around with this. Could you could you walk -- job but more importantly to listen as Massachusetts is often described as Canada. The model state on this we did the let's everybody get insurance -- mandate. You know -- the in some of the legislative leaders. How does that come here with what you're seeing and hearing in Washington specifically vis a --"

" Public option well I mean the public option is is not included in the Massachusetts program the Massachusetts program basically has. Three parts to it. Who want that to that of the most important -- newest one has become -- connector which is not a public option let's just say -- center through which I -- get -- the store -- in my current CIA and -- what it calls a few minutes ago said you know group's -- groups of individual people can't get together -- the idea of a -- and the commonwealth -- is to allow groups of people to get together who. We're not part of a large company and we all know if you're in a big. In a Raytheon or something making get a cut a policy a lot cheaper because it's a large group. But if you're an individual like me I mean I'm a small business owner I'm out there all by myself now I can join with the mass bar association but. Let's say just have a little a little mom and pop store I can't join -- anybody so the idea the connector is to let those people now become part of a group. And it's -- volume clearinghouse and bring down cost benefit of a group product now that now that was the theory. And the theory is that if you allow that to happen then then that's been helped drive costs down for everybody. That the other part is the commonwealth care which is kind of an expansion of the Medicaid damn programs to basically expand the groups and allow. You know larger numbers of people up to 300% of the poverty line all of a sudden have a net and access to some type of public -- that's. That's the not a public option that's part of a program to expand what already -- in Massachusetts we've done and that without a public option is no need for the government to create a government insurer. In order to say were gonna have subsidized health care we're gonna offer health care to those who can't afford it 6172666. Seats exceed. Dave you're on WR kill bill would act as your candidate for congress on the north shore high Def."

" I wanted to ask what do you think the upload is I'll I'll large union -- auto workers take over. Responsibility suppression under insurance. And and there are checked at the scene just public options are -- in Oslo that. From their cost."

" I don't know that I can agree with that I -- some of these guys because of the way that they have their buying power they would try to opt out of it doesn't make sense for me why they're pushing for the public option because they're the ones that have. Sometimes some of the best plans out there. And if you look at the proposal that's out there now they're gonna start taxing those premium plans. And so for the unions to be pushing for this is it's it's ridiculous on their behalf because what they're gonna do is cut off the noses to spite their face they're gonna."

" There -- basically granted that it will be exempted from most Texas what do Cadillac plant."

" Well this you know again that's politics that at every you know that this is this is what's so outrageous about what's -- going on right now is that the public interest like the unions who have the money they don't give to these. These people that's the primary reason why you don't -- public option because once they get their foot in the door you're gonna see those kinds of exemptions all over the -- and most union shops the union actually provides a health plan to the MM employee rather than employer. Now I can't I can't. Give you the numbers on that I don't know but the idea is that what it what they try to do their union contracts is that they collectively bargained to get the most money the highest benefits they possibly can. From the employer that's part of what they do that's the whole -- mindset behind union and so typically what they will do. Especially the blue collar unions who were physical laborers who have a higher risk of needing the medical care. They can end up having better medical plans. With greater benefits with lower deductibles lower co pays and those are the so called Cadillac account -- plants got it and those of the plans that that now for the sake of politics. You know you know the current administration tries to say well go after the rich and the people what that with the rich plants are gonna for the rich -- all just tax those people what. But they're not thinking about is that they're gonna come down right on the blue collar people that they're trying to garner the votes for 6172666860. Frank -- lewd act. WR Gail hi frank."

" guys demonic future Iraq not more strength I. I just combat climate not a question. Allow -- if you are how white you are elected will you bring down a Washington some clarity as far as this medical thing is concerned it just -- and unless and why don't we put this on the national referendum. Julian journal revenues garrison you they had Jackson has changed in just like -- veteran did it you wanna pay five point 5%. Income tax. -- check that bag and then at the -- here we get who voted Barr who voted against -- and you'll be charged the following year. That takes care of that I'll give plant. If you just open up a sign up -- you get. A 7000 all of -- well well that's gonna rock and roll some people I would suspect they at least it'll wake double up."

" Well you know -- that's a great white collar you frank -- here. You know first of all the IRS hopefully we're gonna reduce the size of that all kinds of -- as we don't wanna make them any bigger any more powerful than they are but your point is. That people are really pushing for this thing. They should be the -- you wanna have a -- you wanna have an option to have the public option I think we should have a national vote where people's names are revealed of people to vote for it. They pay for people to vote against it don't have to. That you know you've got all kinds of things like that you can do but you we have to be realistic you know when you. Are looking to make national policy it has to make sense in you have to be able to run the numbers financially but that's what's."

" The -- economy in order to satisfy some tiny percentage of the population that doesn't have health care policy. It's craziness all you should I just don't get this whole thing daddy that's why the Democrats have been struggling with this now for a number of months and I thought this was gonna be a slam dunk and we can all recall very clearly. Our president in the in the prime enough in the euphoria -- his election. Said have a bill on my desk before you go -- August recess and people thought I was really gonna happen. And all of a sudden guess what the American pics below 08. Minute now so many minutes have gone by and a bit enough the Democrats lately and you can see it every day it is seeing a mother they can choose to."

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" That's good morning Wednesday. My quite has to do with the wording is chosen. That aren't underscores public this -- Everything that's an option that's funded by taxation. Is not an option."

" The option would be that it would be one of several plans available that's why it's called a public option. But they know that they try to use lingo that's gonna be advantageous sides I think they didn't really choose very well with public option. Well the change in the wording around till I mean easier Nancy Pelosi Donna Florida calling and consumer option now is a -- it's all it's all semantics you know attacks as attacks you know it's not revenue enhancement its attacks -- I know you guys. On a previous show on this show or talk about what is a word what is the definition attacks the -- attacks as any government action that takes money out of your pocket directly render which is so effectively the dictionary different definitions and you're right on and on target their Chris you're next on WRKO. --"

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" Thought Karmetasploit impairment called it engendered the reason that Massachusetts. People get -- out of state it becomes. They give our -- doesn't have proper reserves -- what you've met criteria the federal government does not qualified so insurance and our security."

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" I -- My question -- gravel one -- business. And I'd pay fifteen member -- the multiple crushed my wife and I would that be considered a Cadillac player to be taxed on the."

" While the issue is what are the total benefits payable from your plan that -- be. The you've got to look at -- that we don't know first of all exactly what it Cadillac plan is I think that's been defined yet in other defining your right now as a planet costs over a certain amount over about 21 and 22000 and so right now probably not but I think bill's point. Very fluid you gotta keep your eye on the ball Leo. And inevitably they'll probably. The drive that number down so they can cover more people -- generate more attacks -- and then -- is the unions if they do that well but here's the other thing you have to really you have to know that people don't know this is part of the the the covert nature this bill. What it defines as Cadillac plant is is if they do by the by the dollar figure over time inflation is convert take virtually every single plan into a Cadillac plant. And you know a lot of the assumptions we're talking earlier about what's Acosta this thing. They also on the what they put it today stays the same for twenty years. So this whole idea that it's only gonna cost 900 billion dollars data so we put it in -- never change everything and and and Nash knocking out."

" And I think attempts to build upon now point two out of to respond to your point about the union's entry in the ten it did -- encompassing their plants there will write in a specific provision. That exempts those plans that a part of a collective -- as opposed to doing it -- so they also get a free skate on this and the -- who's paying 1500 or something more per month of the cover himself and his family. Is gonna find themselves probably caught up in something in a tax will be imposed on that plan that is."

" And for and that's why they're not let you see the plan now and I'll let you see the bill now that's why eventually it's gonna be a thousand pages long when they start. And then it'll turn like the internal revenue code which started out at about 900 -- and now has 90000 pages Lanka's every year they had 900 pages of amendments this is going to be a devastating thing when it's all implemented and when they search weekend and amassing within -- you're on our Q good morning."

" Yeah I don't know what I would to -- May tenth. About 1000. Page document on output. -- a new web page you got around to your local library. And -- video. The issue Americans. Now would."

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" I will check it -- thanks for the suggestion we're talking health care where the bill Lackey is here for another segment 617. 2666868. It's Tom and -- six AB WRKO. Morning snow tonight we -- all hold -- could Boston's."