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" For -- Basra we know. Extreme -- threatens from the reporters. -- stuff but also from his staff for. Southeast Asian. And that's why we're -- Focused and relentless pressure is not a country he failed to mention there we're we're fighting al-Qaeda militant leaders after its -- for. Ferrero is floral. Good morning ladies I'm not having sex with a piece. Women voltage that you have in the morning. In such close -- on to a 666. Years six years I'm manager. Got a lesson at all -- from a new -- world headquarters builder. -- my dead meat raw data back sit back and -- He says there was little to lose. I think rice and -- Is respect redeemable I think he's voted for. Have you followed the story in New Hampshire -- brutal brutal horrible this ridiculous -- salute. When I'm believable."

" Make shape. For faces. -- of these four young men in New Hampshire being held on to them being held on murder charges. Apparently they were looking for something to do now and they want -- to kill someone randomly. So they picked -- house it was secluded and based on and disclosure of the house that's how they chose a murder victims that absolutely get rid it is alleged that they when he and."

" Family in America it is so random it is so cents a it's still -- it is so horrific. In to try to comprehend this I think most of us are rational people most of us. Do the right thing 99 plus percent of the time kind even begin to understand. And I American portrays it as the demons that are in zones might just -- understand this type of behavior why would you do this to. Anyone even somebody you dis like and -- you had a basis. For your -- like. You don't go and take a machete. They head to the -- just -- that the woman though the mother who's dead 42 years old. Her eleven year old dot attack -- slowed down her throat slit she's a Children's Hospital -- I hope I'm. Hoping to make your recovery the father was away on business this failure shattered this community is shattered and the feel reason these four kids must be -- Inwardly at themselves in San. Mother of god we did we go wrong how does that sudden turn out to be this type of human being."

" It is a -- a tough thing to comprehend and as we hear people commenting kids who go to school with these guys. A family members. What we hear often is that they're good kids that there's this one guy they say it was a bad guy in the client Stephen -- later apparently is a seventeen year old who was that I thought himself has some coming gang leader. And -- the story being told now it's early on we don't know but the story told is of kids who maybe you were troubled or trouble some. But -- people who anybody thought it was going to be a murder. Got in with this guy and then this as so often happens again and with the wrong crowd and bad things start to happen I told them that if I was him."

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" Flies to sugar that's the father of one of the four who accused who obvious is looking at a tickets beta were you and I would probably quickly agree from that the news accounts. Was the ringleader was the evil force here spader by the way according to those same news accounts. Lives in a very well to do affluent subdivision of this town. Mother and father is -- client -- hall aside I I think one of those Brookline and these are very nice -- and then -- high school's beautiful high school -- because he drew I think he may have dropped out of high school -- GOP got a -- aren't see the want to I'm not signed in every doubt about him. But again a mother -- father of no no monetary pressure no absent he you know and don't let them know broken family I guess just -- site yet. And you ask yourself what how does how does it go so wrong. Two other examples come to mind with regard to this is this this issue of teenage violence in the inexplicably -- of it but it has a very sad story in the globe on Sunday. About the lost -- big front page story in the Sunday globe. About Tisza Finley in Roxbury in this son who. In a turn to violence and is in and died in the streets. A mother father this was not the stereotypical. Assumption would make about a lot of interest you to fill in inner city -- mother father present. They work they were not well fear they weren't that it is none of that none of -- that the dysfunction that we talk about the pathologist -- talked about and a family of six. And some of them. Move along a -- life the way we like to see happen with any family. In this kid goes off the rails and the mother's desperate desperately looking for some type of way to cope with her her son's. Missteps in the directions is gonna turn into every social agency training to the police themselves trying to turner -- and Lynn ends in tragedy for -- I think when we and how about the vicious beating up the -- I was didn't have to Chicago starter -- Tel net I can't I eight. I have not turned on the video because I saw the one on the school bus to remove the school does seat up. I saw that want and I -- I."

" another horrible things so you -- Vicious send especially to watch one when you know that the kids died from the on the vinik the question like I have women the first assumption is. There we plug this into our stereotypes so we say look America's gone down the tubes were unraveling. The lack of social structure -- the lack of family structure the lack of religion in kids' lives. For lack of discipline at schools it's all conspiring. To make this stuff happen more often but I don't know if it is happening more often or if in any particular period of time they're gonna be troubled kids who during this you know you almost wish you block some kids up. From from age eighteen or sixteen or whatever had to save fifteen to 25 that's easy to get cancer has that's a good wrench if you get kids -- age 25. These kids probably do if you could've avoided this kind of incentive for these kids and -- new age -- Favre they probably would have lives you know might have been fairly normal."

" A great point you make. And one of them was very very active the -- the Mormon Church was studying to become a a missionary and people just as hurt Mitt Romney -- a lot of things people who with Gibson McCann was very serious about this he understood the Bible scripture literature he was response have you was attentive. Others are involved in Little League -- parents with the as coaches and cub scouts boy scouts Little League. Mormon Church all the things that we think give us a deep sense of roots and our community be on the lessons of mom and dad. Make us feel a pot of something lodge and and -- And make us respectful. Of others so you don't go around with machetes and guns and -- just taking innocent human life this is a random act they decided literally to rod. He and kill somebody ran double."

" So -- Is this kind of violent something new does it belong to our arrow is it worse right now. Or do you think this are probably pretty consistent through the history of human beings."

" He never joining singer and he seems like at the nice kid that we do everything RAQ is being he went to each -- training everything. Then using -- stone."

" 6172666868. James good morning to -- with Tom and Todd."

" Good morning to the Julia how we don't."

" We're doing okay James other than it's pretty tough to talk about a story like disappear apparently just you know anybody any citizen looks at -- shakes they had."

" I'd say this is very very gracious thing and very disturbing and there's so many angles did you go to go have about one question -- they want to bring up maybe I can answer is. I suspect if you and enjoy the judges you -- get people into a pay equity attention are robbing that bank as someone gets killed. But I -- that off more people are charged with murder why only two of them being charged. And the other true. Being charged with that robbery."

" The other story is it two of them stayed in the basement while the other two laps and it is a crime my guess is that these are the two were telling that there were talking and -- talking about what happened is all what are you better put him in -- yes I think you're spot on first of all of the theory the legal Syria reference chances -- felony murder and and it's exactly right if we're -- going in to rob the bank but in the course of that. Somebody gets shot and killed icons and we upgraded the circuit we have created the circumstances that has the foreseeable result in the fourth felony murder could in fact."

" Leave the challenge that we face. That being said I think the two are facing lesser charges to encouraged your cooperation and I believe. One of them according to the state police is being very cooperative I mean you can imagine. That's as seventeen year old keys under the sway of some of the fool thinks he's a tough guy remember the crips gang I mean this white kid from this. A fluids that affluent suburb have been -- New Hampshire -- a member of the creek -- well so one of them birdies -- affluent suburbs is how to make kids feel purposeful about their lives and it had to have some street so good they go lookin' for some purpose K you're on WR GO atomic Todd hi there Kate."

" The morning hi guys -- I'm doing great do what's going. I'm glad I'm I don't I'd I'd just Pyongyang and I have to say. Ill gotten interesting phenomenon in our country how boys are grown our pilot and I actually did study and a number of years ago. And believe it or not believe they're both so a lot Obama allowed -- it I -- my parents and -- as they grow up. And they don't always have the same maturity intro to deal -- how you know how that affects other people. And when they get older -- virus could they don't know how often handle. -- And that mental issues they go -- when they're growing up and if you look at studies that have been out over the past two years you find that all the risk of violence all of this -- the post shooting. To be done by -- and there's it's gotta be something that we can do about."

" I I well yeah I don't disagree but I think we're here ignoring a little peace -- a lot of growing volume of evidence that bureaus themselves are getting into that game culture in the violent culture -- feel we -- leaning towards equality LA and god Larry I don't see -- we don't see the column -- incidents yet but they indeed the beating the vicious -- games the intimidation. Of one -- two by a group. If it can be very very savage but guys seemed to have the -- on at right now Kate you know I. I find it I try to -- trust him by -- recollection is that tough guys when I was grown up. Tough guys -- dealt with tough guys usually with the a -- sometimes with brass knuckles in real tough guys people aren't that he did -- and ended don't have the money. He was not kept kind of values the phrase within the family can go out shoot a civilian guys that I knew we actually killed people. Would call -- you talk with civilians were not out of real world so there was this hour or so lies there -- a sense of structure captain and a responsibility rules of the game just rules against civilians. Were not Qaeda nest. Hogs -- wise guys you wanna be away as I am OS -- okay if we -- on my business and I take you out. That's a yeah it's murder and you know the rest of us are appalled by it but when that's as a gas does this but they all international law that is something like yeah yeah."

" I don't I don't disagree at all common terms in the -- of -- heading that direction as well."

" Do you think there's more of this today than there was in the past. Sorry about that -- I don't know what happened John good morning your NW RKO."

" guys so are destroying good -- Are -- what. The only redeeming factor of desperate thank you everybody that called public chooses. And studies. AM he's cute smart socialized properly yet all of those Stillman repeat exactly this is the best thing opera in New Hampshire. And there's actually chance."

" That they're gonna take -- these kids expect -- you're thereof and make an example of them -- a big mistake the music."

" That would be nice but but why are you -- off the search for is some kind of cause and effect do you think there's just bad apples and these guys are that."

" I absolutely do there's no doubt my my these kids people get drunk every day and they don't. People -- off and people. You're drug every day and they don't do it people who bought gas stations to see if they at least. There's a whole bunch -- there's no reason for this is part of the hottest -- people of the criminal justice system they're gonna tell you. There's no reason for these kids dressed in black -- that these -- didn't get -- the sports games but didn't get a hell bloody eight lead paint chips just gives. There's no reason for this bit of an anomaly this doesn't happen its outlook 2300 people at."

" But you don't you don't buy the idea that it did there's something about the teen years that raises the possibility. Of somebody stepping over that line that these kids have been been -- could somehow have blocked them up and gotten the -- age 45. That they would never do this kind of thing."

" Just let that I I don't apps you why because of we lock the mob and we put them into this correctional system that we have right now they'll come out of 25 years old were and they want it. I did not permit at the patient and doing not -- the recidivism assist them all these studies all of this is liberal agenda. That's not but -- people back to these communities."

" Tell you know -- I signed the story one of these kids is so William marks he's eighteen years old in his father has been on the news as it stands for -- to announcement speaking to depression in his father is hot broke his father told the story about that the -- he he was sending his kids text messages all -- as he was supposed to be home at 11 o'clock -- he didn't come home. Finally gets a phone call from him at about ten after for the murder supposedly took place at four after four something like that. And there he says I'm on my way home. The kid comes in the house and the father says he walks by him and he asked Ed were you Ben know he says. Nowhere out what -- the and the teenagers frustrated that and that's the end of the conversation according a father to me ICL and I said okay now we know what the problem -- and -- another father took away driving privileges just so that's it had taken a caraway demo why's he letting the kids stay out all night and that's all you do."

" the father and called that he doesn't always that kid is he said in the text messages I thought he'd be -- and our rob Larry -- the keys they think the kid does eighteen years old I was lucky you live by my rules -- you don't live in this house and clearly he wasn't I didn't have that kind of talk. Green Zone and I needed to have like I agree but the first thing you go on through there is the mother or father is. We is my son easy say if you know what the assumption as he wrapped his car around a pole he's dead the column know we -- is from the police could you come down here and identify a body in the morgue so he had he had desperate first of all. Physical location where is my -- finally shows up so you relieved. But yet -- you just furious about this because now okay he's not dead but what the hell would have been done and typical -- geeky teenagers --"

" Just out of a Goldwater father you say you don't do anything after watched I well I knew what he can do beat about -- some people might do that damn well -- Mary good morning your NW RKO."

" Good morning dot com 200 another day what it's gonna be -- I want you and I agree I won't agree totally I don't think. They're bought as part of it is and I'm up here and I have a wonderful. Parenting part very my husband and it's hard as ATP is there because there are all many things. I'm particularly it through the Internet and there's no magic bullet there's no one poison. A lot it's just -- very difficult time to be raising children taken -- on the Internet is get any. Horrific try to they want to I'm used to be able to control horrible thing. -- is a wonderful book by a guy they were -- or Rio you talk the talk about. But wonder boy and it got a lot of trouble with -- literally called self evident. Some of the things that we really need to be honest with about Italy -- boy. We can't beat because they're in. An agenda that gets in the way people don't wanna -- number one the boys are different they -- what are we like it or not they're quite a certain behaviors that may not be. Socially acceptable a certain time but he does talk about both ears as it did not. The kids to the boys in particular are just wore all purple I knew how do. Beyond Popovich admitted it -- they want you the lead in their life. And you have to be. The -- the -- I've -- away. That doesn't make them feel like they have no control. And -- I agree I do want that either I mean I have to one night we had a couple -- thought and I'm not saying -- we ever been perfect in parenting -- but. He scared the heck are we can he got bottom -- which was -- usually get up but nothing like golf got up. I am and what we got quite polite because. He was that angry he never said a word and its stock quite fun but never again -- might have gone to ignore all the calls good that's another thing they'll do well they don't."

" All right great you know he deserves a round of applause and Alan -- thank you for sure in the story 617. 26666. You're gonna keep this going we're talking about the murders up in New Hampshire yes. But we're also talking about the larger issue is teen violence increasing could we control lists. If we controlled our society about her."

" Proving once again been great all drunk who's actually he's fourteen acres on -- the faces of evil right New Hampshire town. Try to figure out why anyone would -- 42 year old mother. Rolled over eleven year old daughter and James Marks his father of one of the suspects had all -- that his house just hours before the car. Number seventeen year old Steven -- Legal --"

" Is this a hate crime -- look and you say oh that's what happens today. -- no discipline for parenting broken homes. No religion no discipline in schools or. Could this have happened in any -- 61726666. He -- for once Finneran does know the answer you."

" Biting his tongue I am -- biting my tongue in his head it head shaking and it is absolutely shocking shocking. To people behave in this manner this is a beautiful quaint little picturesque. Quintessential New Hampshire town small town values because these are not a -- times of New Hampshire there are some deserves tough by depressed small towns economically old mill towns Connecticut he can can have some tough vote comes on families is no question about it. No sense of no sense of that it's thank in western -- I think Dover. Now huh hello how these are nice town tallest amber client. 617266686. And we talked about those with the families of the two the forty. Young men who were involved in this in this horrific crime. And what they've been while the boy scouts cub scouts -- little I don't think it's fair to blame them the parents with the as coaches as as he -- as -- all that all that stuff. In tech -- functional families in this this happens -- I do think Todd it's a different Asian modes of garbage -- the last segment talked about. What what kids are surrounded by now this is not an excuse -- American excuse -- just pointing out. -- surrounded by a horrible. Culture drenched in sexuality drenched in violence in always you know always pushing the envelope for the next kick -- get you know bigger data through all of the response in the thrill and I guess at least in this kind of sadistic -- what does -- with or could this."

" 1100 years ago Chris you're on WRK a tongue tied here. Hi Chris."

" Oh good morning gentlemen I could finally what do you think. The capital punishment would play in -- world today 'cause I think that it is they've been around me it might have black white because I don't care they're fourteen. -- well they know what it's doing it's not like the twelve year old -- hit the."

" Well it is about the -- Chris is they do have capital punishment in New Hampshire it is. A -- you know we don't have at a Massachusetts they do have -- in New Hampshire. Ten you know this is a case somebody is an an as an argument against capital punishment but it's a case were obviously. It wasn't a deterrent these kids with so callous about this this was random and it wasn't as -- this was a teacher who give them a bad mark. And then they flat out and then indicated to have it because of the teacher and are gonna have some revenge. This is a totally anonymous and by all accounts of how why we citizen in family and she might."

" I'm no we we we always say oh you know what for the children it's for the -- and it seemed like tomorrow we don't children. Don't let the -- I mean they had no fracture in a lot of these his family even though it might be at that particular site. But I think people actually fall well you know you do something that all of you -- in the corner off. Well let me know remember I used the might -- not that they would mean it just felt what they bet. -- you spoke and what about the that he did not I'm kinda going around about what that help woman that when he and -- wondered when the teacher. Seven no public audit products and apparently did and she liked to keep your."

" and I kind of thing happens all the time the the parents are blame and adults who use their authority. To help the kid I'd tell anybody using -- the children argument is covering up the fact that they're pursuing policies that -- for the children. That's a hostile we ought to be aware that. This is the kind of behavior that you look at getting back to the capital punishment thank. I don't know at what level you want us are using capital punishment -- eight age eighteen the delineation point I don't know if that's fair because we know. Dick kids still reach maturity intellectually their brain development psychologically. In -- older than that any age 25 based on what happens with. -- driving cars we can see quite plainly. People become responsible adults -- at the judgment of our troops at."

" It's hard periods and central -- told then. They got podsafe saying you're gonna be an earthquake and I agree with you. Minority brought up a few minutes regarding -- structure -- discipline -- might I have an eighteen year old about a fifteen year old bought by someone bullets -- cadets. Which is kind of a little you know you -- military group -- and I told an adult leader comeback from a white 160 kids aged thirteen and seventeen and a trip. -- Because they call me -- there you know they're they're dressed properly they're acting properly so it's -- structure and discipline. Deficit in the these kids plug into TV or video it's like USB cord the Hollywood this setting the agenda. And be your year you are you coupled that with a lack of religion which was the only. You know structure and discipline a lot of and we caddie is to go. And you know you really in trouble. And -- your question earlier what would this have happened years ago while it may have because look you know -- all it's almost like the sanctions but these kids not mentally kill these kids chose to do that. I have to say that no ill it obviously would not happen and they're exposed to much information. Too young didn't they just have too much access as accessibility."

" Oh yeah I don't know if you heard about a couple weeks ago we had a woman on who's written a book about how important it is to keep your kids away from the media because the engine had -- and the games and television. What they do is they take up the space inside your kid's mind. That the parent should occupy in terms of teaching what values are teaching what's important and if you turn your kid over to the electronic media. I'd love that phrasing used the USB cord to Hollywood. What you're doing is allowing Hollywood define what culture is what values aren't."

" And -- random -- who would not that we need to have repeated examples but most presumably -- we have learned how distorted in despicable Hollywood -- complete our rally to rally around Roman -- who -- made drunk and then sodomized. With the eighteen year old -- rallying around him as if -- a war hero from World War -- so he's disgraced 61726666. He would go to -- next NW RQ good morning --"

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" The two teenagers in the gay relationship Google murdered a child."

" It would 120 thank you -- I don't hear anyone but. But -- at the video."

" The other rename by -- no you I think you're mixing it up by the they worm. A couple of guys whose names became famous for a brutal murder crazy if I -- I wish we knew what the hard answer is if this happens more now or not."

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" Yeah but there's also drugs today. And we ever really talked about that that you taken her bridges like this women heard what kind of drugs they're using -- But we can assume they're using drugs and that those drugs help all liquefied. There ability to forget about everything they've learned in commit this kind of heinous act."

" I think it really incredible -- with them at least -- done it without YE a light but there with twenty I'm going to be a big YouTube hot they still don't bring her back."

" Yeah it's just less likely even a you know then there's some threshold somebody has to get over. All of follow lacking a -- adrenaline and in hormones I think end. Those would be -- at age 25 in the sense of maybe belonging to the community. And having things that you value. At age 45 that you wouldn't have at age eighteen I just think he gets a gets tougher to be this whacked if you haven't in this whacked when you're younger. Neil -- NW RQ good morning."

" Hey good morning thought me just touched on the word drugs finally someone did. It's bring our proven by Kevin Kim Miller -- unity award winning filmmaker he made generation our actions. About this very subject about how RS SRI drug machine prozac."

" You anti illegal drugs to prescriptions."

" Yeah out of the drug separate schools and the doctors portions are prepared to give for the kids yeah. -- phony reasons like ADHD. Which. -- when you and I grew up was called just being cared you know. Today it's called ADHD. We need to give Johnny or Susie your drug and -- hell. And it's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that com barring. The school shootings. Don't don't be surprised when the dust settles. And not a professional wet on the table he's doing the --"

" Why aren't going to be attached to distrust and -- stuff out whether there's a Trace of this stuff around is no indication yet but the story is very fresh and so the call is that's a good reminder that we have to pay attention to this. And try to see if there is a -- a late because it does seem to make the column at a good point. Kids -- kids boys in particular I was rambunctious you know ADD attention deficit disorder whatever the heck you -- a college sometimes it was just. Bundle of energy and he needed Mr. T while London have to be a Gaidar is here's a woman teaches who would doubt who could who could maintain control of."

" Class there are kids who are bouncing off walls and can't should maintain their competitive to the ability sit and concentrate in a classroom. But I think we've reached a point where there's an epidemic of prescriptions going on not an epidemic of those kinds of serious problems. And we do have to look at the interactions I'll be amazed. If we don't see ADHD type drugs or. Other tight times it types of behavior drugs like antidepressants. That -- that these kids are taking and then mixing with alcohol and mixing with other kinds of drugs and creating formulas for mental concentration -- I'm convinced that the."

" ADHD VAD day. I'm convinced it's tied all the way back to what the comment you made a few minutes ago. Start back to television and games. When in fact television becomes the parental Monica don't wash out all the -- about the activity the the images instantaneous state go in and out. I and eighty used to be literally the sound of your mother's voice if odds are grandparents they were reading -- was poetry there was singing new games it sounds also you know curry or knives and so quite and so simplistic the human mind cannot round at the speed of this stuff. And that they it's not just the speed -- the instantaneous gratification is the message itself violence and sex also very good power these all this is also a president gets."

" Very powerful thought if you think about the speed with which TV -- today how do you watch a singer to name for I think for people our age it's frustrating because. You wanna see the surname only showing for a long enough to absorb it and they short for half a second bag and it's not what -- and it's that you need is not real life the video game speed is -- real life if your kid trying to have a real life that's exciting as the fake life they have most of the time. This type of behavior might be filling in that be empty void the real life is providing free where stuff her clothes were talking about."