Immigration

" good morning coming to from America commitment memorial studio it is Tom and -- on 680 WRKO. -- Then I don't we finish this week it's it's kind of gone into the background a little bit tangentially with talk a little bit about Iraq's troubled August is decline in polls rowdy town meetings not nearly enough so we shouldn't on the whole show on that today we we Barack Obama's troubled August -- it could be if feature film you want to talk about that tomorrow. That'd be great -- all day tomorrow why don't we do that come to run every month for one of the elements has been controversial interesting thing part of about this debate is you have two sides are both saying that the other side is lying. And I happen to think that there is a lot of lying going on and it's going on on the side of those who were pretending. That this is a benign sort of -- proposal this thousand pages that Barak didn't want anybody to read before they voted upon. And that none nothing bad could possibly be construed from a and illegal immigration is one of those realms that we haven't really dived into -- or we're gonna do that now which I'm pleased about."

" That's great guns right now because it's a huge topic in and of itself and then as it relates to health kit and the overwhelming the suffocation if you will emergency rooms that Oakland California Arizona Texas and a New Mexico New Mexico but. Even up here and we hear all the time decided we heard -- when that so called what comprehensive immigration reform bill about two Summers ago was front senator Lindsey Graham John McCain Ted Kennedy so on and so forth people were ballistic about a rightly so."

" Joining us now is Bob -- the communications director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform Bob good morning welcome back to WR KOI you don't. Element good morning -- can you clear this up force once and for all I've read the bill and I can't find the sentence that says. We're excited about the opportunity to have every single illegal immigrant in the country Carly and about to enter. To sign up for this plan so how can you allege or how can others alleged. That this would allow illegals into the into the health care system."

" There. Has been. A lot of confusion that is autism analog -- but members of congress. We can go online life introduced a bill 1018. Basis who maybe deal with folks in Washington to who've actually done it. The bill that health care bill HR 3200. W specifically say illegal aliens are covered. It does not close but I gaping loophole little legal aliens will be able to take advantage have to get the benefits and that's Barack additional clarification. Or enforcement to check whose --"

" Okay let's run through some scenarios this thing goes into effect as written 1018. Pages. And the -- we assume that the regulations. To implemented. Are written in a way that's fairly true to the text of the original legislation which we have no way of knowing if that'll be the case. I mean really all I go and to sign up for the the government supported health care -- I'm poor I wanna get free health care. On the public option we know what they do -- screaming out as an illegal they're gonna ask me for what Friday's."

" Well look that it used to archived isn't exactly sure -- sample the second part which is what to a -- to respect public. Play of the public option is a pretty good government run plan that they have the possible create sort medicate for all system. Illegal aliens are eligible why. Because there's no requirement to use any one of several verification database is one by the federal government. The other side of this is the private plane you can rip up under the Obama Kerry couldn't role of the private plane and use what's called. Affordability credits mostly used to separate across kind of what kind of vultures. Can supporters of this bill are telling us that illegal aliens can't use them. That's troubling which is in the bill. What they won't tell you can just there's no provision in the bill requires anyone to actually verify eligibility there's no enforcement -- to insure. Compliance so it's sort of like saying. He can't come into the -- you're under eighteen but -- there's no bouncer at the door to check KP."

" And well. Do they specify what kind of ID would would need under the health insurance plans say even they get yourself initiated into it."

" Now I mean the government check your income to see if you're eligible to use these affordability credits it's just one more step checked. Or legal status. You know again and by the way the album. Defection on this -- it would have been very simple representative dean Heller I have nobody that's very common sense amendment. That would require the government to verified and enrollees in the public playing on -- the applicants for the affordability credits on illegal aliens and."

" I was remember. Yeah that was adamant about those voted down on body lines in committee."

" Yeah how to play it committee voted against it ought to pure party line basis -- united unfortunate because it was basically you know you need to check him. Before you check up specifically it would assess that anybody in the public option has to first demonstrate eligibility using. A couple of database is there. Are already in place that would have crossed everything and we do it now to check the eligibility welfare recipient they sure they're not illegal. We certainly should be during that under this massive -- health care bill."

" Probably rules the congressional rules of debate will they will those rule. Rules allow the reintroduction of that amendment being on the committees are the flew off so the total membership. Gets a crack got a because I think. -- so called conservative or moderate Democrats would look at that and say. You know. We'll I need to vote for that and that protection has to be in this otherwise you're not gonna have never madam speaker."

" say another look because it's astonishing. That this spell. In these gay people -- earlier because it directly contradicts will be American people. -- percent by recent polls who Apollo discovering illegal aliens under this health care bill and what does this tell amendment deep deep things that would finish that kept illegal aliens from accessing. That this massive -- health care reform was. I think we'll let mr. Castro. If the attention it -- intention was that it is to make sure illegal aliens should be get healthcare to change the past. -- not -- any -- the most dangerous part of this in so much loopholes in the because ultimately could be sick. I think it's that this administration and congress really want those loopholes and it."

" Of course they do this is there although look that we know what their intent is Bob Wright we know what their intent designed. On immigration reform we know what their intent is on. Medical care they want a single Payer plan they want them to apply to every and by the way hasn't won the big argument spin. That the good emergency rooms are being devastated by people coming in getting free health -- that's were illegal immigrants -- go to get their free health care so obviously they wanna close that loophole don't think."

" great out of that the -- paid almost seven billion dollars alone in the that's that's kicking and almost an additional four billion in annual medical watcher illegal aliens. You know that's what that's -- cluster right now mostly for emergency medical care all illegal aliens in this country. Get emergency medical care which issue involved human beings should. But if this legislation continues to -- these -- pollster -- million illegal aliens he gets benefits. That number is going to double."

" Yeah but if -- if one of the things you wanna cure. With healthcare reform. Is the fact that emergency rooms are packed full of people who don't have primary care coverage your goal would be. In order for this to succeed that every single person in the country. Beyond the new plan right. I mean how could it be otherwise."

" Well it can't be and we're certainly not moving in the right direction when we keep expanding. What it is in the broader sense you know we're not in the right direction when we keep extending benefits to illegal aliens than. And that not only include health -- the driver's licenses in state tuition bank account credit cards auto restricted access to jobs. Dry up all of these meg -- being sold here illegal immigration problem if you just require verification. For jobs you know back account credit cards and certainly for healthcare reform."

" What's the attitude of the Senate giving your share with us the fate of that amendment in the high. House committee on ways and means the Senate is a different body and have been -- they were certainly not stampeded by Barack Obama's. I demand of an August deadline on that on these immigration related health care issues ferocious sense of that dynamic over them."

" You know it's hard to tell you -- you know it's better if it didn't help the president is in trouble on -- health -- immediately. So much the Republicans have been -- Democrat get enough votes in the house and in the Senate to make that happen. If it isn't because the public that the public is just being ignored. It is that the blue dog Democrats can be co opted by you need people see -- and here -- of present -- problems on the doctor bill worked with his -- Democrats on the and we've been to. These are pictures -- need to take it very close look at this health care reform bill on the part of the difficulties to political blog just getting this past. Our you know the president of static -- problems with the health care bill if he reaches forward amnesty bill which is Stillwater to pieces of legislation down the road probably late in the and the fall. He's gonna all of those problems -- any amnesty bill. Other -- and the term elections coming up speed in the most liberal Democrat does that in dispute radioactivity got a terrible economy."

" Yeah this is the one of the glorious things about the implosion of his presidency at this point is that yeah every agenda item he has is a leftist extremist agenda item. And so he's got a cap and trade on the docket for this fall then he's got I think push back to next year probably immigration reform is there any linkage. Then you see is somebody who knows immigration reform proposals of the past inside out. Any any linkage between what they would be looking for an amnesty and maybe what they're trying to get done through the backdoor at least partially with the health care legislation."

" It's very closely related to it would drag things very very clear Israel obviously ground work. -- for a massive amnesty probably in the fall maybe a little later sort of yes we can but not quite yet big. This president is. Real -- because he is under tremendous pressure by -- centric groups that feel responsible for haven't gotten him. General office they are expecting they'd backed by the way they amnesty and open borders. And politically it's going to be very tough for him to do that so what is happening is this. This piecemeal -- that this sort of dismantled -- one program to find water it's -- light. 87 G stepping down under total elimination of work site enforcement. Beyond the extension of benefits. By way of for healthcare reform -- I all of that is done by the time all of the benefits are extended. All of the enforcement's is -- at that point we may well have de facto amnesty and you know we may not need a massive amnesty bill."

" All right Bob -- Federation for American Immigration Reform thank you for your time sir good to talk with -- again. I got game -- on us and once again on the legislation so it is very clear. If you evaluate. The health care legislation. What it does do is it says that illegals are not eligible. For coverage and then it does not require identification. And it offers no penalties for anybody who might. Illicitly. Get themselves on the program that clearly designed but just in case you're not convinced. When Republicans proposed an amendment that would have specifically blocked and made it impossible for them. To to get on. Democrats 100% voted against radio right on the right now what does that tell us we have to assume the obvious would this bill that they are going to seek. The implementation of their actual."

" this is well I mean Todd is it's interesting at any number of levels and from a democratic perspective -- just us for this remark on this observation they're going to. Lose because of -- overreach. And they all. We're reaching on various enough to -- machine and the public option. Still over reaching on any number of issues and they and now it sounds like going to overreach on the immigration issue. You can you know you can push the envelope so far there are margins. In India can play close to the margins but -- pushed a -- on every. Hot button issue now. To my knowledge. As -- we as you and I have discussed at the town meetings watched them here on the computer and elsewhere read about them in different reports and elect. A lot of the controversy. Has been around public option death panels rationing cost that type of stuff. I haven't seen much focus our commentary. On the immigration aspect of -- I realize that's been raised by some but not too. This you know not to center stage not elevated the way Bob is just elevated far us now. If this if conservative Democrats and Republicans. Begin to focus on this more intently at particularly as that the these bills stuck at the floor. I think I again I think the Democrats will lose because of classic. Overreach and not listening they're not listening they actually seem to believe that these. You know progressive ten commandments that they want to hand in as if -- Goodell league driven right."

" Obama views himself as a third FDR is unable so it is FDR and LBJ which have been the two most destructive presidents in the history of the country and then. -- wants to be the third. Any wants to -- by taking their vision of a social society bringing it to the next level and I don't think he cares. About the long term political damage who cares about the short term gains. 6172666. -- Larry RN WR there was Tom and --"

" Thank you for the call."

" Sure immigration. Port -- OK there we have to do what we have to do it really the big issue."

" Should they do you mean whether people should be identified as being in the country illegally and then -- enforced."

" I think it'll just want to put eight medical care let them because even if you saw it. You're obligated. To. Be sure if -- block it."

" If you look at how the war is being fought on the on the street level in with legislation. So what Democrats want is for everybody who's broken into the country successfully at this point. And avoided the law for enough years they wanna reward them with citizenship. And they wanna do it. Devious -- they wanna find every little bit of legislation they can pass that picks away at the resistance so right now the battleground is healthcare they're gonna pass healthcare. Reform it should not include inviting people into the country illegally and then offering them free coverage on our backs should it."

" Well even think that. All of -- illegal that are Hewitt at the just."

" Create you create a second wave -- a -- way of a fourth -- I approach this you know from the most basic of all premises and that's this. Every nation has the right. In every nation has the responsibility. To have a coherent. Immigration policy to enforce it. To tell it to its own advantage whichever way it wants into end the nonsense there's no other nation in the world. That does what we do we've been casual about it cavalier about it and I was the governor of California. I would be ballistic 2407. About what immigration is doing to my step up."

" Originally this and you -- around itself. And -- mess around with that."

" Right here WR -- hi. Hello. Your wish they got well I tried to -- my -- to the illegal immigration -- kicked. These people are not entitled -- beneficial as we are. Because it came in illegally immunology and another thing that people are talking about it as an illegal crossed the border comment looking for work. How do we know what they've been vaccinated for Judy -- our. Replicated in this country how do we know that they're not -- did he is and -- back into their nation."

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