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" Brother Jones-Drew from a new Carlos world headquarters rumored that pharaoh storm. Six AW RPM good morning Tom and Todd Thomas off this week. Today we have Mike Sullivan the Merrill Lawrence filling in for Tom. And joining us in studio our intimate conversation about Charter Schools and education which is always exciting to -- Jim Sturges is here from the pioneer institute he runs -- ordinary -- one sentence thing how do you describe where you guys do."

" We are data driven policy organization we like to bring data to government -- government section running on business principles. You mean that they in this cause and effect for the decision making -- to lose your credibility you're trying to ruin their business absolutely. They must pay when they see you can't. I'm happy face like yeah have to -- our let's talk about Charter Schools because some. And there is a big -- change about to happen and and ironically it is Barack Obama and his education secretary Arnie Duncan. Who are actually trying to promote good education the business of Democrats we know is bad education that is their deal with the teacher's union. Which forbids them from doing anything that's actually good for education all they care about is what the union agenda is which doesn't correlate with better education scenario the president. For some reason. Who cares about trying to improve schools and wants to break. The the the -- all that is out there in opposition to improved education in the former Charter Schools. Deval Patrick has been -- turn her charter school since you on an office. Mayor Menino has been trying to hurt Charter Schools for sixteen years and has been doing so successfully now there. Changing their tune even if there are changing their realities. So let's talk first about what's gone on news is is my picture Jim surges San by -- an accurate picture whereas."

" I think so absolutely and I think it's a sea change in terms of a lot of Democrats across the country the election -- that this is shameful. They know of in Massachusetts he'll probably about a 100000 students who are failing schools. And you could talk -- vote parents and can talk about social situation -- a lot of schools Charter Schools are able to break that cycle of poverty being the determinant. Zip code being the determined so it is absolutely -- and I think the key is the president put a lot of money on the table and -- if you want the money coming Gannett."

" Yes and he's using that money to a factually bribes states like Massachusetts. To change policies that stop Charter Schools that's why though is the president -- higher Charter Schools what -- look at. What you know he's in him a position where you look at macros you look at the data that you're talking about -- what is the data that the president can be shown. That proves to him the way to improve education. -- to break the relationship that the unions have too bad education wire charters the answer."

" Com it's pretty simple take a look at some studies here in Massachusetts there's a study that takes a look at some students who won Indian charters. And some window and were not able to and others who who want the insurance and got into them. Boston foundation funded it it was a Harvard study -- TO MIT to -- the folks. In a couple of years -- bridge the achievement gap. Between Boston and Brookline public schools charter school the public schools another wave deliver and it. And frankly I think what what really pushed the the president over the edge is that. Here's lot of people -- only Carney Duncan who believe this for a long time you've got a drink plenty Washington DC mayor who pushed this really hard. You've got Cory Booker of Newark pushing it's really hard they're all friends they sit on the topic of coffee. Maybe -- have a beer. And they they talk about the stuff -- will -- we've got to break this thing. And a."

" was -- it's such a political risk it's very interest seem to me that the president because the president mostly caves to political pressure were from what we've seen. On education he's willing to fight what has been the fundamental relationship for the Democratic Party. And that is their relationship with the teachers unions and now he's gone at the very hard is that. By challenging the teachers' unions on things like merit pay which they they would rather die than to have you people make more for doing a better job. Or make less for doing a lousy job or be run out of business for being terrible. Why is he taken the Sunday thing."

" Couple reasons one is that there is a growing group of folks the Democratic Party who just won't stand for this -- slate Democrats for education reform well funded. Big network who push this issue every time the conventions there in shame these folks they actually held. The session next to the -- Denver's Democratic National Convention last time. And they had 50700 people standing there shutting down some of the folks and you can -- the union to do not want change caucus is a civil."

" growing in the Democratic Party over there oppression of good education -- Let's get an -- Solomon in from Lawrence on the conversation you've got some Charter Schools in March and they do."

" We have total amount they do quite well. And and I think again Jim thank you for being here I degree you have to show -- at the end of the day. It's results and if you're a parent should be coming -- from the parent standpoint and you have a choice of schools. And that determines the city -- and the charter school happens to be a good choice and you feel comfortable with -- you're gonna stay -- that city. In -- there right now in the two Charter Schools -- probably a wait list of about a thousand kids and that tells you that they're doing something right the -- a longer school day. The parents are forced to be involved. Com so I think -- model works. And I can speak for the case -- children went to the one of the China schools in the city and and do quite well now sell."

" I -- I don't know how to -- happened to your kids went to charter school was that -- you deliberately did because you've. Do -- and researcher was an accidents never heard of a charter school before this is probably twelve foot."

" it years ago it was a sort of a friend of a friend that said hey this is new charter school model that's opening up. Take a look at it put to kids and a waiting list if you want we did that and the kids ended up getting in. Com twelve years later there's a tremendous waiting list right now it's very tough kids don't leave once they're random pretty much stand."

" As a mirror though you're supposed to hate Charter Schools because supposedly they ruin your funding of education and well I found that every artist I."

" Haven't seen that and again as the mayor I wanna be able to say to a parent that. If your child has gotten a good education in Lawrence doesn't care about the name of the school I want every school to be able to. I'd give those really results in the city. We have and have two great Charter Schools parents are involved they both work and that's a working model I'm so I encouraged that an idea I endorse."

" Why the hell I only have two has never gonna push for more to satisfy those thousands families who were not able to get their kids sent."

" Well I think you're gonna see that the next few years that another one -- two more China schools will will come around."

" Has there really any institutional resistance has that have people been trying to get them open and -- how many able to."

" Nobody's to a Charter Schools have have actually Tom -- expand it we haven't seen any new charters. Data trying to be formed. But I don't think anybody would resist that now you're seeing what one point estimate is that I think come on the the question of opening -- schools. The caps that are gonna be addressed if the government's proposal new proposal. To lift the deterrent -- is so put through. You have a lot more many more Charter Schools open if and one of the issues we've had right is that. Mayor Bloomberg -- New Orleans the cities across the country really want to open a chart this week Chicago is an open of something on the order of 45 over the next few years. And food Indian has taken off all the caps -- in Tennessee because of the present Arnie Duncan put money on the table there and open up many many more -- sucked away a lot of the talent from Massachusetts because have been a really hard place to do business and we lost four. Very talented charter entrepreneurs. And that's one of the issues and if you don't reason Casanova and attract young people were bright ambition why are there any caps on chart Charter Schools are the best schools and stay there than. -- to take a look at Newsweek recently they read the top 100 high schools. Did the lyrics in the top schools in the nation today in Massachusetts schools Nicholas three full Charter Schools charter high schools -- high school serious yeah. So why -- why is -- a resistance wire their caps rather then a requirement some more turn people -- all around and issued a huge new reasons Mike which is. Look there's an issue gotta love the folks who superintendents in the unions want me true they have control the money. And a charter school gets funded on a per pupil basis -- human student who transfers from district school to a charter school that money follows a child. Now there's a bogus argument all there and it's probably worth clarifying every woes as well the -- comes and essentially money from from the at the district schools. In messages we have to what either the most of one of the most generous -- if you will tie overs have buffer buffer you've got the first year you loosen the in the -- to the charter a 100% of the funding the schools can before we."

" And this is -- in this anomaly won't claim that it's a financial hardship who went in fact your -- your -- encouraged I mean that that it is a great reward for having a charter school. And every child should schools that is the state comes in in double funds the pupil yeah so the old school still got some money for that kid when he's not there. And the new school gets the money what happens the second year. Sick nearly 60% okay sir we -- Leo I'm so in three years they get 200% of what decade constantly and they don't have to educate the kids in those schools that -- the money."

" Let's play -- time to transition from our our perspective which in general and plus you put all that extra money in the bank and once the cap. Did it against the left it's gonna change because right now. There's not that many available seats right so this really isn't an issue. As far as funding the loss of funds right now but when the captain is live lifted and more China schools. A built per city and town I think you'll see it being more."

" I would think he gets easier at that point I mean the one legitimate argued that can be made if you lose two kids and you still have that's classroom and so have that teacher. When that money goes away it's made it harder on the school the more kids who leave then you and so we can close that school because so many were on -- of the charter school system where you MI wrong and look at him."

" And so again I know Jim doesn't data. Throughout the state in a lot of it never seems to be. -- that people will load losing people Holler Pol Pot population grows every year. I mean are kept average age in the city is 29 meeting more kids are coming into the system every year every year."

" So would make any difference than if kids are being -- Charter Schools there would you make it easier on the -- on the -- well it'll change the funding I -- try to frontrunner senators so weren't schools then we'll probably get a little less funding cause money will go to John -- they would ordinarily be hiring teachers and building new classrooms -- it's -- actually be a saving silent -- we're talking about education and Charter Schools -- Sturgis is here from the pioneer institute we've got Mike Sullivan the Merrill warrants here as well. And the question is is it a good thing to have more Charter Schools and like -- in put in the conversation 6172666860. My perspective is. That Charter Schools are what are good education if you're talking -- education to HR camera Charter Schools and in the the fact that. That we have politicians particularly Democrats who claimed to be the education guys who fight Charter Schools on a regular basis fight merit pay. Things things it would obviously improve education. I find baffling that they've gotten away with it for as long as they have and I'm very excited -- the only thing about Barack Obama much -- about. Is he's pushing Charter Schools he's pushing for merit pay. This is astounding to me. Because it's. It's sort of like a GM. Pushing the -- rid of -- payments from the government. You know that he is it just runs counter to intuition but it's a great thing that happened. My hope is that we can we can see a dramatic growth in Charter Schools. What's the chance of legislation. Here in Massachusetts sued to lift the -- or or make a cap less egregious so the can be more Charter Schools what's the chance that pass."

" Received a lot of moving right now I think initial people came on the -- we're not gonna touch that we don't care. But we've talked a lot of folks in the legislation I'm starting to hear much more movement look when you put. This almost five billion dollars federal money on the table they're not gonna spread out across fifteen states if you think about it -- not -- not -- ten to fifteen states. Okay so he's always gonna have money it's you know what half a billion dollars though. Think about this for a second. Come if you the president do you need message to select -- it sorting your pocket. So why would you give the money politically speaking just for a second -- what you have to give the way to -- we have to compete. We have to compete with a great proposal we need to move forward. I would think there is a political disaster. To leave that money on the table would you like to be a legislator in the year going to for reelection. Governor Patrick our Governor Patrick when you left half a billion dollars in the table. I can't see that being a positive for anybody yes so I think as we get closer to December -- civilian really kind of chicken. And seeing how are we gonna do the right thing for it."

" All right 6172666. -- succeed in New Hampshire good morning. You're on WR -- Mary Sullivan of Lawrence and Jim Sturgis from the pioneer institute hi Dan."

" There are guys like god in the past there's been a lot of advocacy or. Vouchers are big Charter Schools are step in the right direction. Why they're not up pushed also to go to the voucher system because of the feud about you in the we have about why that. And the Fries and -- yeah education market banks."

" Okay but it -- Syria China no matter what comedy the issue in Massachusetts particularly difficult because we have. A prohibition in the Massachusetts constitution they would take at least four years to get past that and you cannot use a referendum. To do it. Legislation I think 1913. To meet a constitutional amendment 1913 says you cannot use a referendum item to address. Public money to private institutions. Educational institution so it speaks specially to specially difficult to do it here. Tom Henderson one thing on that -- a little vouchers we are obviously for about that pioneers do one thing that we do notices that it's worth underscoring is that. Particularly the Milwaukee Milwaukee worked fairly well the problem with Milwaukee is Jason you said well. Listen so what do vouchers for anybody and anybody can open up a school their own basement. And for them it's a good thing as a safe it's a safer schools schools or go to such a positive energy education academically they're -- they're great. What is great about Massachusetts and is not agreeable alternative schools across the country and we're much better we much better Charter Schools and city police and Billick era zona. Is that -- fantastic -- so confront. We recognize -- public dollars going to public schools for public school students whose incredible approval process we have to identify. All sorts of things that the curriculum how you recruit teachers etc. it's there it's there it's a tough process business plan. And therefore turn is coming on the Bucs are generally none more consist generally of a much higher quality. And we also shut down once it don't work other states some don't do that so we gonna bring model here I mean this is --"

" One of the beautiful things about charters is they don't all succeed but unlike radio schools they don't stay forever when they don't succeed they get dumped -- And that's that message -- it certainly is 6172666. Seats succeed. John I mauled in your NW RQ with Jim Sturges and mayor Mike's all warrants hi John."

" I -- aren't concerned. That took place -- thing just we have a moral and owns a gap and old files would still be news. And the city and almost they ran for the job at school. And that grant from the John schools coming out that's morning. And achieving don't put up."

" True it is going to go -- the charter school is a public school. And that money is being used to educate kids who live in Malden sorts of problems."

" The vendors feel like that way did that we get advantage out of school they get -- It actually the said that migration you don't go to public school that they just local public school."

" Did -- in the public school new totally scooby here's the difference China it's a public school that does a good job. So what you're connecting to myself what I doubt that's what is."

" Sort of fanatic so is that this city tomorrow and -- a lot of people are little -- because the lottery system. For the kids. And say is they get sick individual and then we have to invite other people most cities comfort -- And -- so people were -- is the one they can't then they should there be."

" John you need you need to investigate all us a little further because you don't really understand. Some of the issues that I think you're gone on to -- we don't --"

" Did I think it's great thing they do using the lottery system alert system the system however much it may disappoint a specific parent who cannot get into the charter school hello Jim do it. -- Jim look like political connections."

" And an end and we certainly -- by complaining about that some kids are getting in more your confirming in us that the school is popular. Then when parents are given the choice between the two public schools they are both public schools they're funded he is the only difference between a charter school. Is he had twice as much money over the first three years of the charter school for each kid -- goes into it from the state. So it's a boon to the city there's more education -- coming into the city. The parents have more choice and you got to school it's on a much better job than the regular public school. I'm waiting for the -- jumping."

" No I thank you got it right on but I don't I think the key -- chairman said you can be -- as well. And I think that's the case to."

" Parents 6172666. Seats succeed are these Airpwn. Has there been many popular uprising. Against Charter Schools. There's a political. Cover all it tries to stop them and is there gonna fight Syrian communities. There have been several communities on the clusters Gloucester struggling lines what's the resistance."

" Part of it is look at the given both sides of the same as the person called before the music -- a feeling that many people have that you know Charter Schools -- taking their money that's just not factually true -- if it's this and this -- that's coming and it's snatching away resources and it but that's a tough thing we start -- pulling money out of one school to another used to having that conversation even if it's misinformed it's something becomes very emotional very quickly. I I think people who watch this stuff noticed though that the teachers unions -- the love their fellow travelers are now putting -- a pretty strong fight against this in the pro."

" It's so nuts I mean if you went to a sub shop and said they are law. Your best customer comes in here every day. We're gonna steal him away from doing given the other sub shop down the street you'll yell and scream and then you say go away. We're gonna give me on the first here we'll give you a 100% of the money he's spent. And then on the second you'll give me 60%. On the authority your previous forty what do you think he'll say that who I guess our customers -- wanna -- yes I. Your one stop shop for every turn your gonna in the world. Would you all are okay. Six AB WR kill Osama Todd Thomas off this week today we've met the mayor -- own."

" From Lawrence filling in and joining us in studio this hour is Jim Sturgis from the pioneer institute they do it how to research and informing of government officials side as to what's going and the public I know what's going on with schools and Charter Schools were talking about charters this hour. And and some other problems -- school systems are having I wanted to write down all the complaints that people have a -- about Charter Schools I think the last call we got was some. Purely interest in his objection he seems should know. All the objections but not realize. How far off base there is that fair to say I think absolutely so what what is so. The funding formulas one of the objections but that's really. It has it has it been demonstrated that any community has. Have schools suffer financially because they're charters."

" Not that we know would not an actual hard look at that one but dumb if you just follow the reimbursement formula it would seem to be at least within three years. And eminently doable thing to actually transferred destined to return to school and -- Changes. Two weeks."

" You're just schools are there within that your costs of doing business as a traditional school doesn't know up. One of the other things we -- church frequently is that they they take a select group of students now. Even if this were true it would seem to me not to -- and knock on charters who would be in big important keep in mind when comparing. But if charters create a model in which some kids are getting a better education for whatever reason. That's seems -- good tweak on the radio school system. That even if they're taking away the best schools but is the best kids but those students are doing better because our charter school that would be an improvement. And I would think it would also help the students left behind because they've become more homogeneous what do you think about that argument."

" Some I think it's there's a lot of merit to I think -- things that people are often saves you so you self select him. Right if you really apparent whose interest in an education you'll self select fuel to say how many trees return to school -- into. And the parents who really don't think about that for cultural reasons for other reasons are usually gonna motivate them and they don't do that so it's not fear to separate the wheat from the chaff if you will and you wanna put the accrual of away. The the fact is try to school get parents involved because they have to choose their schools and Charter Schools journalists are you gonna come and meet with us we want to meet you we -- actually get into the sense of who you who you guys are the Stanley wanna make sure we can engage in second things. A self selection it's limited because it's a lottery system. Third thing to say is. -- everybody don't know water though we need a parent motivated enough to -- peninsula consulate but if you take a look at one of the the if you will gold standard study. In the Boston foundation -- MIT. Harvard duke university and they took parents who self selected to get their kids into the Charter Schools. The end -- successful. Then compare those folks to parents who is self selected one really can trust the most successful and to release of what happened to these students and they tracked him over number of years. And the results were sounding the kids in the Charter Schools and did very very well the kids who. Whose parents want to get them into the Charter Schools are not able to do it. They did as well as the district's schools no better."

" And there's there's always a big disparity despaired that there's another variation on that I think that I read in which. That then there's cutoff point is going in middle school when have to re apply tests is senior charter school completely and that they studied the kids to. Who basically lost the second water they were in the charter school but then weren't allowed to continue in the middle school years. And that the same thing happened that the kids who stayed did much better in the kids who went back into the regular schools they actually. I'm sought the level of expectation that's the Porsche school offered them and didn't do as well as their -- him very chuckle out."

" Questions on Matt Lawrence is -- goes you can stud you can go from Kate aid there's nowhere domino like no break no break. Two things both of these schools took -- bending. Buildings similar to the call that we ever said they were using a pedophile success -- So we haven't seen a new newly built charter school per say they've taken an okay abandoned property and cut that back on line. Com it long it's a it's a longer school day. Teach out of school day starts at 7:40 am I believe it ends -- excellent ten so there's a long Thomas More than."

" Teachers getting paid then there is their brother and in the regular --"

" It's well interestingly they're getting paid less. Did not on the same scale as we -- Public school and -- unionized that's correct. And there's they've accepted volunteer they were public school teachers in Lawrence and they volunteered to move over into the charter school because. A lot of both and it's almost when you talk to them. It's the passion they have to see the kids do well to tell what motivates them the president I think you see take a look at the programs like Teach for America there are kids who come out of Ivy League schools and other very good schools they say."

" We wanna make a difference it's pretty shameful thing in this country you have something on the order of fifteen million -- and in the United States bought them the number of students in Russia all told. We're not reading and basic literacy levels. I mean it's it's an astounding fact we all look at the world ashamed of it right so I mean that's that's what kind of motivate -- on the issue of of taking have been in Billings I mean -- things of the Mayor Bloomberg is done which is fantastic is as Steve shut down schools. They've actually made them available to Charter Schools and it takes away the need for additional funding for facilities right."

" And it's been great cover some costs of that existing facility to -- real burden otherwise turnout that's in the open twenty new charter school to summer. New York City did let's invite some call since 61726666. C were talking Charter Schools -- Jim's Sturgis in the pioneer institute. And then Maryland warrants is here Mike sell and on WRKO. One of the fears I have is that the Democrats will figure out a way to ruin the Charter Schools. And this would be by allowing the unions I mean let's face it the reason Charter Schools do so well. Is because they're outside of the union framework so they have the flexibility they need. To focus on the kids needs not the unions named. What are Democrats are trying to do because of their insidious partnership with the teachers unions. Is certain -- the charter school models so that there's unionizing going on how are they doing. With sudden bad malicious attempt to destroy return."

" Schools -- well they are obviously trying to get into some of the what they call the commonwealth Charter Schools which -- the nonunion Charter Schools. We're very limited success they've been able to turn one. And frankly I think many people have looked at then have told me that was a minute there was actually an issue with management the wasn't very well managed -- school the time and that means the opening."

" But how about with this new push it's coming from Washington. And with Deval Patrick and Mayor Menino compromising their contempt for Charter Schools. -- base and the pressure they're gonna from Washington I think in a -- in the model as a inning and find a way to get to let the unions in -- so they don't lose the support of the unions."

" So far at least in the governor's proposal that's not the case in the mayor's proposal. There is some very liquid language if you will in there that says well word not gonna fortune to be unionized they could become leader unionized. We'll see how that works where things that actually is troubling to vote both proposals are really more the mayor's proposal. Is that. The mayor wants to create a whole new way to authorize Charter Schools how to improve them. And what we have in the state is as mentioned before -- Greek system that's what we have such great Charter Schools in this in the state unlike say Arizona which has. No not great Charter Schools because it let anybody open -- the mayor wants to have what he calls and in district to be sort of a -- city body that approves a Charter Schools and you can imagine how politicized. That could become yup and I think overall things what we've seen over the last three years with the with the governor and the governor I I give the governor kudos a lot of friends for some reforms in education. The permit process incredibly --"

" And Jim Sturgis from the pioneer institute hi Joe."

" Joint -- was just wondering just as the local lottery system. -- children with special needs. -- underscored that the children with special needs."

" Aggression out. I'm a couple things done the there's been a lot of discussion recently -- special needs not only special result means also kids who don't speak English as a first language. Include English language learners. Charter Schools on both of those populations. -- have lower. -- levels of students that is clear. Couple things to say about that -- first. When people talk about that he would Charter Schools are screaming the students seeking the best students will. They're also serving a much higher percentage of minorities whether African American arsenals charter school why is that. Because these folks want -- way. Out. They -- the latter."

" And so you're saying to remind him minority communities in a city like Boston they actually want good education for their -- so they're not devoted to the bad schools -- the public schools are are French. I thought there was some kind of deal and of all the parents that they wanted to put their kids who were schools possible and --"

" Also low income low income students there's a much higher percentage in Charter Schools there are in district schools. Now the caller. Does systems is asking about special needs kids and also in -- which ones those are important populations to return to schools don't servicemen and Hollywood no one thing. African American Hispanic -- low income these are things the school district is -- do you school cannot define. The kids come in that way. These schools themselves identify kids as special needs. In its English language learners and there are incentives in place. To increase the percentage if you take a look at the percentage of special needs kids in Massachusetts for example it's much higher than the national. Level and how does this relate to the charter school discussion controller Charter Schools may or may not this is something to be studied -- Simpson concurrently -- figure out. -- because they're very motivated me not want to identify kids a special needs in separate them out. They may not want to treat kids who are English language learners differently or -- dispute they're serving a lower number that's an empirical question any honest person go can go and take a look."

" I just wanna give axis minority -- minorities are being served. By Charter Schools in other words there volunteering to sign -- tickets for Charter Schools and higher rate. Then other groups of students -- and the Mayor Menino and Deval Patrick and other politicians have been fighting. To minimize the availability of Charter Schools that would make them. Institutional racists it would seem to me I know you won't agree -- you don't have to do I wanna put it on the table this is in my mind institutional racism you have a model for good schools. And you oppressive. And it's happens to be where the better education happens and where the minorities wanna send their kids it's a thought for people to go through. They're deal with in terms of their perceptions of the Democratic Party so Lawrence good morning -- NW RKO."

" Certainly because --"

" Good morning Mike how -- you -- one exude good thank you and he actually had a couple of questions for -- talking about the Sunday in yup. Not been that you have -- hidden from the public school and -- leaves the public schools say the fourth -- to go to private school. What happened was the funding for that child."

" DEU funding for that child's -- because it is comes from property tax and other things. Will remain. In the school district."

" Don't have money to pay for disputed that cannot keep -- absolutely no doubt about some homes go back used to host school my son until he got into the charter school."

" So it's the same it's the same exact thing basically you don't USC property tax. Pair. -- property taxes and that goes into the school system from the state there is a certain amount of money that follows. In the -- to take a look at this -- to make -- the state does provide additional funding. I'm not sure how much the formula is a very complex formula if there's any relation to the student moving up and I would know. That's for example the city of Boston we still have 80000 plus students were down -- 5657000. Students it's not because they're going to Charter Schools is because people voting with their feet. To go to other schools -- to move out. And I'm one of these people I moved out because they said well you know like this and make -- to a charter school I'd love to -- due to return to school but it's a lottery. And I get to a -- and I can't chances and I would love to over the city."

" You bet that at school that my children go to what is the old. Saying no offense there's elements that's keeping me in the city. We can't afford this and that is the private school felt that this satellite mayberry you have they would like me look like I'm worried that. Are able to stay. If Citi cut that we love. And send kids to good schools. But so what that's what they're trying to -- that we were able to get into what we would absolutely be going somewhere else so that we could get had a good I think."

" thank you -- on the tennis 617266166. They were talking Charter Schools and our Solomon of Lawrence and Jim Sturgis. Of the pioneer institute on 680 WRK. Forward first to talk about your troops that are important. -- Solomon is here from large -- Sturgis from the pioneer institute. Retired from education Charter Schools and Susan Collins from the north shore WRK a good morning Susan."

" But my how Oreo -- the I -- clarify a few things a little woman called -- and and she wanted to know what happened to the money. Not bad state that the school districts want the child went out for either or choice prior -- chat at school or even armed bowling. Our Jennifer did say -- best -- feet each individual school district court regional -- what they -- actual numbers that student. Though it does don't believe it outright chatter court Choi. Board they go out I to a private -- home -- That number comes up prominent but without theory the net and I also want to make up quite bad sound school choice and chartered school fees. Come right off the charity come up the check is 78 Freddie both mr."

" that I and your spouse that. Yes sure I she's actually right the end I would say that the October 1 data is unlike many other states where. He slipped to several dates throughout the year or you may actually do they blended average. Mideast many schools -- do suffer because of that but I think in terms of both property taxes. The end some of the stated I believe in Susan you can probably correct me on this because you seem to be well versed in it. I believe they still do get some of it if not a lot of it. But it does come off the -- and --"

" It doesn't it might have a point if and -- I really talk about Charter -- that would chat with school choice for example very thick cap 5000 dollars a it was so that's. -- I whenever they want to you and your school Susan. Not it's very good I think within the inner city -- the the urban ball up where I'm familiar with it about it on the so Connecticut seventeen years. It's really harm. Because parents can opt to go out to a -- a -- Or whatever reason it may not because very disappointed -- the -- could be but it could be because they want what they think it's a private school education. With public dollars -- young and young and what's the problem. Well because they're not because. For example a school district might be charging let's say maybe they figure is 85000 let's say it's 5000 dollar that the average they paid for student. But if they're gonna have to -- dollar write not the -- sheet and are confident that I carry thousand dollars -- not. It and we don't get reimbursed for that I know that they say after a few years you get free Europe but after awhile you don't get any --"

" If a student a senator charter school district gets reimbursed under percent of the state Alex out now the -- now young that the cut a couple of things are these the Charter Schools. Receive a per pupil amount to speak equivalent to what is received in the district so it's not more it's not less. It's the same I think the -- appointed Todd is making is that for the release the first few years there is no reimbursement to allow for an adjustment within the district schools. So I need serious pressure that is applied over the long term on the district because they do not continue to receive there's a reimbursements. Out into the you know the end here for long term you want to -- I think you want to."

" How that was supposed to be a create a competitive amateur and it's supposed to create a model. Woo -- new ideas that the school districts and they copy the school districts just fight the Charter Schools they don't seem to be copping any of the models improved education. And I think that's because they can't. Because the unions won't allow them the flexibility. -- nice Seve here to give a good time you're -- radio talk about him. Honored to sit in the chair of the infamous speaker Thomas Finneran now and I do -- a good time I didn't think they -- static they're not another one. Thank you trap me on seriously thanks for coming in -- Solomon from Lawrence and Teamsters in the pioneer institute you want us and people you website aren't absolutely WWW. Dot pioneer institute poll word dot org aren't there is Remi thanks very -- appreciate I always -- talk in the subject because I learn a lot every time. Coming up tomorrow by Erika brown will be here a friend of mine who's say and agency tycoon and PR -- and have a good assignment. I different hosts all we know about our lives are."

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