Howie and Brad Jones

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" Only car I know there's been a lot of misinformation in this debate -- there -- some folks out there who were. Frankly very false witness but I want ever want to know what helped the trust reform is all."

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" And one that. 8774694322. Where we've been talking about all there we're gonna keep talking about it that Ted Kennedy's attempt to what changed the law yet again. To what to keep the seat. Filled by somebody he wants in there at the Senate seat after he's gone. 18774694322. We will be leaving the year in Boston tonight around -- 620 or thereabouts at 640 you can -- you can keep listening to the show until 7 o'clock on AM 830 WC RN EMA thirty WC aren't true talk for central England. Will be on there until 7 o'clock. Officer mark in New Hampshire says the ball senate picks himself number one to professor -- three unemployed drawbridge operator Robert he found. And for Aerosmith Steven Tyler. Well Steven Tyler would be continuing the tradition and one way if you can believe the stories we've been reading about him lately in the pictures we've seen of him at the local packaged or. Dude looks like an old lady. 1877469432. To joining us now -- line is it. Representative Brad Jones of -- and he is -- Republican leader of the Massachusetts House of Representatives and Brad I guess the first question is it is there any way of stopping this."

" Well I mean the -- matter is I'm not I don't think that is a done deal by any stretch of the imagination there you know from some of the comments democratic members made today. And I think the rose silence from the leadership on this particular a lot of electric is doing it for a variety of reasons not least of which is you know the vote we -- into doubt."

" Or are -- roll call would I hold in my view him right now."

" Actually three different versions of it. You know we operated -- one to say that the government can do an interim appointment for a vacancy in US senate. Indian in the house representatives. We get it to say if there was an intro claimant for vacancy in the US senate we did when asked if there was a vacancy. And the press and -- couldn't run the governor to be able to complain each and every one of those generations we're defeated."

" Then he had he had about -- say about two dozen Democrat votes with you but the vast majority of the Democrats you know that told the -- leadership."

" Line yeah yeah yeah -- dozen democratic votes then if you look through the people that voted that way a lot of them are no longer members."

" Funny how that works out I. Dissidents go away yet show me your former and I'll show you someone who won't be back as bill Bulger used to say every saint Patrick I. So what is so what happens is. It that day you know we've got -- we've got a situation here we're the the Democrats are gonna be asked to vote exactly the opposite from the way they voted five years ago."

" Clay Aiken and conceivably people like me you we -- to blur are you sort of -- you -- to the year I was to a -- criticism of the signal what they think need to point out is this year hypocrisy. When mr. offered but as an amendment I mean 2004. For the very in you know reasonable anticipated reason that -- illness mean. This history books replete with examples of US -- is becoming ill or they cheating or leading -- for whatever reason. You know we are -- debate in the in the shadow of 9/11 where a plane was headed to the Capital One can easily conceivable scenario. You know out of test between US senator from the state being gone and the idea would be looked you know for the interim -- But the point is -- I have to say back then in 2004. I don't recall the efficacy in this amendment from the senior or junior senator from Massachusetts. The reason we -- the -- lodging in 2004 because there were few polls that show John Kerry with a chance to win. You know fortunately they didn't prevail ultimately. -- you know and I also would raise the question I have very I'm very cynical I guess is they get it you know little older. This Kerry Healey had won in 2006 when we be having this debate today."

" Yeah what is this is safe to say you Brad that the Republicans. In the legislature were for the gubernatorial appointment before they were against that and the gems were against the gubernatorial appointment before they were four."

" Well the latter half because it depends who I were against it before therefore I'm not gonna go out on a memory now and say that -- Republicans oppose this myself included because they think is a principled argument. To be made Massachusetts should have that we just think that principled argument. Should be made we gather surpassing consideration and it wasn't made. And I want to understand that you know. In a hypothetical scenario. You know this certainly the first half which -- make it gets elected governor and takes -- of options -- 2000 elevenths and Hillary Clinton decides just wanna be secretary of state -- President Obama says I wanna appoint John Kerry they -- I think oh -- we need to change the claw back again. Begins Charlie -- may go appoints somebody we."

" Here's a guy from New Hampshire John says why don't they just cut to the chase and pass a bill will only allow democratic governor to appoint senators to fill I'm sure the states."

" Maybe we made between them we then modifies the -- so reveals. One -- moment."

" And a milestone and back miles says the same -- to change a lot of say the legislature shall do whatever they have well feels like depending on the parties of the governor and the senator authority just bought. Well listen here's that here's the thing and this is -- John fund found this out The Wall Street Journal -- it minutes from the Boston Globe in June of 2004. That does it trip Bob traveling even the president of the Senate prodded by a personal appeal from Senator Ted Kennedy. Then democratic legislative leaders agreed to take up the stalled bill which set up the system we have now so Ted Kennedy. Is the basically the father. Of the current system we have and now he's written a letter or there a letter purportedly written by him says he wants to change the system that he pushed a whirlwind 2004. I mean you know again we're used to weird things in Massachusetts politics this is yet another one."

" Well stick around long enough you'll actually see everything and again you know I have no reader doubt that the weather that we -- is Crawford Daytona globe today is anything but from Senator Kennedy. Panama can go down a conspiracy theory -- debt that's apartment hostile to Clinton making in 2004. When we made this very proposal that's being -- now. It was rejected out of here and if you go back to it. You know this things that we did he get this bill through. You know the latest breaking down the breaking the rules suspension rules breaking get this done. All you know what could be you know to make sure that Mitt Romney couldn't possibly appoint anybody. You know was extraordinary in fact is that under the appointment a lot of that was in place in 2000 up until you know 2004. He beneficiary of it. Was -- okay."

" Right. Right under the under the other either of these laws the one that's in effect now for the what and that -- proposed and now opposes and the one that he now supports he couldn't have become a United States senator Cody."

" And -- obviously can't take away his appointed because you didn't meet the constitution requirement. -- thirty -- election out what to be appointed. In 1961. And you know again oh look you know nobody nobody friend forward. A longtime adversary or longtime supporter. Wishes the senior senator be going through what he's going to rig hours PM with its strategy is a travesty he's been. And I know -- did -- give them on many issues and I'd YouTube. But when it comes to fighting to Massachusetts you know even there's been no more effective advocate without regard to party -- Kennedy. But the fact remains you know for this to go forward. Members -- gonna have to explain. What exactly change because the idea of somebody getting sick. Is not exactly a new war unforeseeable circumstance given that the average age of the United States senators probably you know you know -- it late sixties."

" No I I agree I I don't and continues can you stop the style can they can all I can I -- not announcing it."

" This is gonna go forward any any formal session even if it's something that I ultimately -- members -- my -- they you know we should be we should be consistent. Unlike the majority we should be principled and be consistent and we would support desk. Under no circumstances MI gonna agree to just go for the -- informal session are without debate."

" So when I go back and -- when you go back into formal session."

" Well theoretically you know normally wouldn't that up until the third week of September so about a month from now would we when we can months traditionally. I get back going again president speaker if they were you know so chose could have respect concession."

" actually but you're right they didn't exactly jump on the bandwagon here."

" Obviously you know politics being what is some people well you know visited the provision that a letter sort of say well we want an ironclad agreement."

" You know does that mean what are -- what the hell does that mean there's no such thing."

" While not -- not and and certainly we tried it in in and we proposes an amendment we try to put in lie saying that you know the person couldn't run. And we were told well that's unconstitutional yet it's -- in some states there's a provisional -- the only people who can be appointed our people of the same party."

" explicit personal commitment not to become a candidate. Right -- economy kernel as we like Marty -- amount if."

" The person changes their mind after your appointments what is your recourse. It's. You know Hillary and a common."

" Is bill Galvin Lewis who Victoria Reggie Kennedy I don't think you I don't know I don't blame ya."

" you know only the only the only Croatian tape prices in the work in the -- the court of public opinion and then I'm sure some people would say well let you know that did you you don't -- it was a hot."

" And I don't think I don't think you're a lawyer but maybe your lawyers on your staff play is as anyone researched I suppose there was a vacancy before her the legislature returns I mean could they still change it could they still changed."

" Long hours and I wish I."

" I don't know the legal answer to that I mean obviously could change I think it would then give rise to. The bill I think some -- you New -- situation earlier yeah that would give rise to an action in court to say wait a second. You know those were the rules in place mean the way the wire is right now. The governor Haley -- the governor I almost can't we can't. For the legislature to come back it is if they can see heat in -- short order have to schedule a special election. You know you know and let's be honest I mean there are obviously some people who want a special election what sort of -- very personal political ambitions --"

" I don't give -- because they don't give up they'll give up their seat we talked about relatively little seasonal once this is what got. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity not just an odds on the -- like watching three lifetime opportunity."

" Right ya know your yup that's that's that's of that's the way to look at it. 18774694. Soft something if there is a vacancy before the house in the Senate have a chance to vote on this and assuming the lead leadership wants to go forward whether it. There were there probably will be a court challenge by somebody if they challenging."

" If if there is a vacancy created before changing a lot and I would think that it would give rise to. You know one would think -- equal protection or. You know. Caught between under the state constitution that's not a for the first."

" Now do you what do you remember the that these legislative leaders suddenly twisting arms after the captor -- got these two calls from a Ted Kennedy and not 2004."

" I mean you know if you go back and look we went to do we know and it's very inside politics we went to what legislative today which basically means we can spend time. Can you know it's 1 o'clock it's legislative -- 1 o'clock legislative day to use."

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