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Public Option is out
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Public Option is out

Published:Mon, 17 Aug 2009
Description:TNT talk Public Option demise
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" It's 172666860. Years up. The public option. Is not your enemy is your friend brother Justin from a new -- world headquarters building in."

" Public option that the president early on that said with a critical element the White House now says too much attention on the public option. Clearly signaling it is ready to sign a health care bill without ever store. Third morning. Time to dance your way through another week. And be prepared to swept by the way. Take a look to the east -- that we look at all that's gonna collapse and matter Iowa is today that it looked at least. I don't know that scenes. You can't trust the Senate moves as the seasons since you remember how used to be over there trust me realize what was it when it was over there others to the sentenced Celtics. And now he's north hearings -- can get it. I'm from Canada trust us going to be pure reached for us."

" On the up autumnal equinox. Fifth season."

" September 20 and 21 -- about the -- Excuse me got to some kind of similar that is no tenants are -- we get a -- Yeah you know they've been these protests at the town -- that have totally transformed the country all transform the political. Yeah mathematics in the country and the Democrats made the mistake of trying to marginalize. Protesters and say oh they were just a bunch organize fringe people and even they had to back off of that yeah 'cause."

" I need some Democrats that most Democrats I think saw this as a legitimate. Outcry and a legitimate opportunity for them to governments and listen and learn a -- is losing this thing this debate this discussion. With Democrats to Nablus and because a Republican idea it's it's literally Democrats who have had a around outs. And now their constituents -- bring forth further doubts and you tend to reflect on it taught this makes no political sense. 80% of the American people maybe 85%. Are covered. 80% of those people think -- here is either very good I think -- and I will be inside the group insurer I think it's 90% of our zone in 90%. And -- so huge majority compelling majority have insurance. Huge number of them think it's great. You're gonna tell them well we've got to do everything over we need a grand Obama rewrite or grand. Liberal Democrat to rewrite it ain't gonna work in enough -- stirs up the in this viral agent which we live from Canada the UK elsewhere. You know that the the description of death panels might have been a little bit and politically over Donald little all the little overdone that -- Sarah Pailin is apparently. The political genius of the nation and the she put the words death panel in a post on her FaceBook page and that define. The debate. Over whether you're you wanna have the government making these decisions -- it really did now again eight. Sitting down with the famine and in talking over the options. Doesn't really qualify in my mind -- death penalty but sometimes politics is about shorthand. How can you captured in two or three words are simple phrase something that people would think about and worry about and she did it to her credit. You know we're right Kennedy is saying you think it's unfair no I don't think it's unfair. I think there's euphemisms on all sides I think the letter but is that enough there are guilty of as an I'm not a language comparatively but I'm on -- truth basis do you think that's an accurate representation of what the bill. Would allow to have happen that is that there are accurate government panels making decisions about whether -- is appropriate. Accurate enough to pass the the reasonable test okay in in in my -- in my view of the what's what's allowable permissible. An appropriate in the public arena yet accurate -- because again they arrest stories like this out of the UK CS to let's say you know 66 and you have a form of cancer. Sorry Todd you know the limit we spend our newest when he 2000 why pitches 66 if you 26 they might do something different. That's certain of the American people have never. Been comfortable that I did nor should they be and Sarah Palin could speak to this notion that are on FaceBook as opposed to speech but she could speak to this with a passion. I think that few people could relate to why because Jerusalem. The Down syndrome little trail. That inning he hit in the scheme of things people somebody some bureaucrats gonna make an assessment of the value the worth of -- life. Compatriots -- some -- on healthy fully functional and tolerance that stuff. No wonder the American people saying hey I have second thoughts about it elect Obama personally. But I middle I get second and third thoughts about this nonsense and so I I don't think the -- examples of this one because I have."

" Or -- acquiring the withhold services to the Down's syndrome child but what I do think is accurate. Is that concept of what of phrase death panels represents I don't think there's anything disingenuous there. What they're what what you're facing. With the government controlled health care is the need to control costs and the way you would control costs is and the president's made this quite clear by the way. A cook she's got some cuts have him talking about. The kinds of decisions he thinks we need to be made for example he talks about his own grandmother and whether she should have had surgery. In now full last year her life when she was a terminally show that's talking about having bureaucrats in Washington making rules about who gets health."

" Stroke yeah it's an evaluation and its evaluation Todd driven by Dulles it's the same thing we were talking about really. Medicare are ready scroll and everybody that they do business with its its going to be did driven by dollars it's not. It you know they'll talk about -- we don't have a profit motive or anything else if frightened to death just face up to the true cost of this. And even worse than Medicare is Medicaid you know why because that's a partnership between the feds -- the feds can print money nonstop. And the State's almost every state is prohibited from running a deficit so the the reimbursement rate to hospitals and docs and other health care providers by Medicaid is even."

" Whereas -- it's done right the way worse on budgets so the ball back -- while we're paying -- seven cents on the dollar but we haven't it's got the I've sent out -- it's obvious so we're just gonna have to cut back on that is -- so -- to 666868. How do you feel about the death panel phrase did. Did that represented to use some degradation. Of the health care debate. Or like dusty things accurate 6172666860. -- and -- good morning RN WRQ atomic talked."

" Yet been mining and I had several articles from my relatives and England and why hasn't some new -- is being held about that -- as --"

" One example is and that's a friend devices says he's ATA."

" He has some accounts that and it went to found -- diagnosis he got very depressed I went to let that. The specialist can into the house and that he would have to -- and it's bad."

" Mope around -- you know and contestant to be operated he came over and I current stack."

" To move around okay -- yet. Eleven specialist operated on it's a twelve hour. She has that good recovery. Is still on the treatment. Now -- brought back."

" No way to cycle why are you selling assets or what -- a British person you're talking about learn how can I. Or sister rover there was -- anger -- being an assistant under sanctions -- take -- look here at the age of being kept calling."

" Ever lied and told about saying what my brought about -- department -- try to stop this is that the complaints and I closest aren't quite as. Become a bit to go on holiday I will not only you'll probably wait native. I don't know about until next week. Now my other brother that was going -- webcam. Is that we've held a -- a couple of hours because the -- at polls and and that it happens we mutual inspection. I know why did -- do that these diplomats preventative mother and it makes nobody takes it."

" Okay so -- your saying that there's a lot of wonderful stuff going on. How it went all right and write good stories and I understand their concern with the lies. But you have to be familiar I'm I'm sure you've heard of the nice panels and I went right at a hospital but I thought it. -- But what -- what I'm asking about that is a nice panel I think it's the it's like national institute of -- valuation something. They literally will make an assessment on what they're gonna spend on a particular patient data based on --"

" There's no wrong. You've got it all wrong I know a lot leak out."

" A halo two will post it up why you own or on our on our website -- get the stuff why don't post -- up you can read it give us say give us a call back and by the way why would Gordon Brown Tony Blair before him Gordon Brown. In every other aspiring politician over there. Be running around acknowledging that they have major major problems is that the head of the year Canadian health care system by the way and it's a different country but similar model. Recognizing that their caste system is imploding. Yeah but the Canadian sent the system is different the the English system is wholly owned and operated by the federal government. The Canadian system is is based on a partnership isn't it between public private now. Now you're into public system no but they have private the doctors have their practices and -- but but the same that the reimbursement is driven by what the Canadian government says we are going to pay S flaw that they -- that's what Obama shooting for just country. But England owns the hospitals. The doctors work for the government and the silhouettes a complete so -- over their my response to an onerous the pushover that it is -- to introduce small. American like elements into their health care system so that you can go in. Find what you want. When you want to -- eight I appreciate the information will get the stuff up and I'll I'll get the information on the nice -- 61726. Saves us IE six."

" You Maureen and New Hampshire NW RQ good morning."

" Get smart I have two point want to balance talking about the baby don't demographic. How do you -- across the attic there. Where every day X amount of people are moving in the Medicare system and well --"

" This is the conversation. Aren't able and are you raising this because you think as I do that the health care in the desired to have this health care reform. Is a way to cover up the fact that Medicare is is heading for disaster."

" I agree with you there might my second point is that out I have an 81 year old unquote good -- what I can't and it lands. Eighteen months ago and they they are opera -- how it took care. -- But Kim I want -- all but they decided that it went -- it was not. -- did not have enough light lap."

" That he was 88. He -- want owners want -- our other brother are somebody was 88. To contrast and I was and that our -- share option would have come from one of those nice panels that's literally they have a panel it's in a similar to what Sarah Palin Hussein. You -- the death penalty -- spent a nice word yet it doesn't work."

" There is another aspect here if you have money in the UK. You can I might --"

" As a fill in for the -- the miss."

" He act as that it is my -- call when he was working hand at -- it's not before they they work completely on require Mac. Harry something called Q birds which are bound up private insurance and she can go anytime you -- at everything it can't hurt that they get money."

" Okay so let's say supplemental plan that show. Probably -- probably reaches all the way over a -- and it's like how Medicare and works in our that you -- come -- I have you got there six 72666060. Thank you Maureen for the call to -- don't think the death panel. Phrase. That monikers unfair. And somehow callers the debate inappropriately damn good morning your NW RKO."

" Yes good morning thank you for taking my call listener it is always do what's gone. I -- I don't have raised -- to exploit that whatever defenses. They're British system was. Preventative care. Which is one of the argument against. What is quite out of Washington now that that emphasis should be placed on preventive care and that's one of the places. Where costs can come out. But my main point what. To -- Sarah Palin she doesn't get enough respect in a lot of ways and for her and her populist sort of way it is still. Many Americans years of age shadowy government lurking behind the scenes of your life. As you know regarding the best panel is a publicly ballot way to put it. And when you put. That it that -- in the minds of Americans and why you think well -- it is because it has about that the public option is being held may be taken off the table."

" Yes now. -- but are you saying that that that you think the fear is that a valid one."

" Well yes. So when people are in a good thing it's funny -- actually there working interest in the street and we would say that. -- insurance company wasn't allowing you to have something no -- you can have whatever you want we're just not gonna cover. So quit bet that that's what people think they'll if you economic recovery didn't just allow."

" Solid state Ali -- if they're depending on the insurance or pay for it then they're the same thing in a lot of this is driven Todd more than anything else appreciate the call them a lot of this is driven. By. It's not unique to America but it it's out of scholar at the human desire for free lunch. People want to have good things happen to them even when the challenge with health and illness issues they wanna from nothing. In its not. Realistic. It is absolutely absurd and that's why you see the games that we see coming out of Washington. Occasionally Beacon Hill another place so we're gonna do this we're gonna do this we're gonna do that. It's an attempt to feed that beast. That beast being the desire for free lunch tomorrow when he pleased he's talking about -- health he helped your ability to function your ability to enjoy life."

" Does not the European -- never seen the real costs involved with them because -- there's all kinds of behind the -- shifting the money that goes on -- you just have no awareness are very few people have seen the real cost of that because -- right we have all grown up an image we have health insurance was a given usually through the employer. And the employers pick -- up 75% of the cost of it and we're getting out. There inning -- tax deduction back from the government. So all this is invisible and you know person have enough 300 dollars a month taken out of his paycheck for family -- work. Has no idea what the real Kutcher star 6172666860. Glenn -- in the morning you're on with Tom and Todd."

" A cash for -- works of registered car -- both. Obama Albert cares. Greenbacks for dieters and -- Some ideas and that's what Obama Albert terrorists."

" But I do what are you. Basing that on something you've read are you just being cynical."

" Arctic if you look at the Ani socialite. Play and that wouldn't apathy."

" But what you say the president's for bottles that under the current system those kinds of decisions are made by insurance companies."

" We'll probably got to make the engine but the last person you want to make it. Decisions."

" Now see that's how I feel about it -- they're trying to make the insurance company to begin a demon here. And I say give me as somebody who's out there trying to make a living an insurance company we understand what their motives are a government bureaucracy who knows what motivates them."

" Should it -- he can have and you do have been actually in place of variety rules and regulations laws. That can equalize the discussion between you -- the big bad profit driven. Insure. He also have the competition I mean well let's run the names very quickly -- fountain blue cross blue shield have a -- how to pilgrim I guess that is and and tops. Now you've heard me say I mean those full. While Massachusetts based in the top ten HMO slash -- or whatever how they want column insurance companies. In that country consistently year after year after yet but this competition between them if Entercom is gone out of the marketplace for on behalf of us taught in every other employee. I'm sure I hope and pray they sit down and talk with tops that the best deal isn't that what makes the marketplace where are you seeking. The very best deal and at the in the end Entercom and a whole bunch of other employers can go elsewhere if -- finishers non responsive."

" And it was so one of the things you wanna do is create more. Of that competition have let us know and and the you do that by opening up competition across state lines and let these insurers really gonna compete on a national basis. And then I think you would see if you want to drive down costs that would be the way."

" I mean interest to way to do it -- you remember when we had Charlie Baker in here to talk about his canned candidacy. He also talked about healthcare just a little bit he reminded me and us that we have a lot here in Massachusetts if for example. Blue cross blue shield -- particular treatment. You have a right to appeal that to an independent panel tribunal so on and so forth I was passed by the legislature several years ago. Works and works well people feel the treated fairly nobody feels is of it's a bag job and it's a right way to go to nice balancing between that. Profit seeking insurance. And a legitimate concern of a bit of a patient."

" One -- the other sidelines it's developed in in this whole conversation is the notion that there is racism. Driving. The objections to the health care plan that really what's driving the emotion. Of the people he's seen rage to when they're gonna meet with their congressman Ernest town meetings that it's it's so I'll latent racism. And it's it's not being directed at the president directly. But instead through his surrogates. The radical Democrats -- Russia's push in this plan to some votes in the -- I wanna make -- you understand the charge of the accusations being made. The racism is a racism. This renders its -- discomfort with the idea that Lara Obama's presence that is sent us discuss that coming out let's discuss because Thomas pushing this not. That will be the day."

" Making Boston's murder. Listeners ever thought we are Boston's to."

" Veterinary corps -- Always have that kind of anchor team focused on members of congress when they -- To -- show their faces in front of their constituents and it's even elevated to a point where there have been who's been artwork done."

" Pictures of Barack Obama with swastika is or. A little Hitler mustache. -- told a Linden LaRouche people of American quite an appearance -- a lot of these 600 coast there in the the release of their -- they really are so the LaRouche people don't move there's accusation out there aren't that it it's the favorite thing the liberals to see race in everything and -- they're saying it's racism. That is driving this opposition health care bill I think we should float that out and I love people I like that resonates and of the author brings true death and of the top."

" And I think we should export six point 72666868. I find that abusing. If for no other reason than it's -- well it's a little bit more than six months it's about eight months ago the American people. For reasons of really -- A determination. To put race and racial issues in the rear view mirror. Because kinda hit the nation's histories -- shabby and so shameful and that's the one reporter in the rear view mirror. They embrace this guy without a close examination he was. Goalie was and is the first black president he's this he's that he certainly wasn't confrontational. Kind of -- that Jesse Jackson controversial figure."

" He was no one's Java what Democrat with a lot of very levees so we get out -- of terrorism they had now all of a sudden by the mayor there is. Not that you still had a white America was there in that more whites voted for him. Then generally vote for Democrats but he's still in get a majority of the white vote in this countries that at least plenty of people. Who could potentially have this latent racism waiting to bubble of the above the surface. And summer saying that's what's happening right now I don't buy could try I don't -- they bring up that race I think a lot of people Dubai and I think we should give them a chance to. Towards your opinions here six point 7266. 6860. Especially since a professor gates. The bid the bigoted black professor from Harvard who became national news. When. He he had a racist response to white cop coming up to restore. That put racism back -- for -- auditorium."

" Front a front page that became front pages we noticed speak for weeks and weeks and weeks. And I think it's probably the worst thing that could've happened to Barack Obama. Because again and self inflicted wounds are always the most painful. He did this to himself but it it really vaulted -- back into the national conversation when affect his election. Was supposed to move goes beyond that I actually think most people I'm speaking from white Americans think most white Americans. Comfortably. Beyond this issue of race comfortably the -- And an. Eager to do something about it and happy to do something about it and that explains Barack Obama's election. "

" Iraq's been very popular and even as people hate the the the legislation he proposes and -- how well what a leftist he is that I can they still like kids should get a personal approval ratings are very high 6172666. Seats sixty. Johnny and reading good morning."

" and -- greatly -- and about this racism issue. And it happened yesterday I was listening to its actual program. Most of -- Jenn hey. And -- have this view black person he made an outstanding statement on expirations. On on this -- OK he says. People vote for Obama. And -- hear him now. Now this was all up within a few calls 15 PM."

" Do you any evidence for that there is just a semi made up."

" No you can listen -- 15 PM. Yesterday on the best of pride."

" Yup yup we know the station and we know the guy yeah it's Jimmy idea should mean --"

" That's correct. -- now right after that a gentleman called up outside himself as a lack Nigeria. Now by Washington you can tell that he was on and he was very honest -- essentially. I'll -- you chimney you just such statements. To adjust the this position."

" There really isn't absurd statement when you think about that if in fact. You he says that the statement being -- elevated this guy in order to tear him down. If that is if you have that. Bias if he had that have -- antipathy to a black guy in -- vote from in the first place and you don't have to elevate anybody just era doubt he just say this guy is a BCD. There are plenty of arguments that could be made you -- dress up. A racist a valuation Barack Obama in a -- nice sounding words. That's crazy well a -- crazies."

" Theory most use of the racism accusation I think is is crazy and this is yet another example on my mind. That you know it's just the favorite place to go it really the liberal mind I think has been trained. To see racism. It's so acutely that it sees it without any evidence doesn't mean that Saturday era losses at its is that it's in the air but they can see -- in the rest --"

" Sorry to tell me this -- a couple are now. Our -- of course it's racism and you why else would people be so emotional about have a in the economy shifted over to a Soviet model. 61726666. In Marietta Braintree good morning your NW RQ do you see race in an opposition and the health care proposal."

" Now I count acts as a courtroom is again quite. This point and I had a warrant. The invite people to isn't that I mean apple look at the other individual the other racist look in look at themselves. What do you mean the I looked at this situation and what they are dealing. I'll racism -- continually saying the white race does not white -- is that it's it's it's gotten very well thank."

" So you would like to see what happens -- I mean what could have."

" I don't know what can and I think I'd I'd like here. -- about the cat Quentin and it actually insulated in captivity in particular race I mean this is opposite --"

" All right so you're talking in deflection which is to I think what we're saying is well that. This is a place to hide and a place to find comfort but it's also if -- liberal politics whenever you can and whenever you can say the death becomes a rallying cry for the based on and it's it's very very difficult to overcome the charges hurled around."

" In an indiscriminate man Todd and I think really on on this particular issue it's an immense frustration. Of the political left that they have not been able to convince a majority of the American public that I healthcare system. Is so irrevocably broken that have to take this huge leap of faith. And so they'll feel they can't they try to. Conjure up reasons as to why somebody like you or somebody like me a lot of lawlessness. Would have a reluctance or even an active resistance. To the healthcare effect. -- beat you to try about the same all play it it seems to work. -- it must be racist response QB -- I use serious. Talking about. Health care health care waiting lines who pays for -- all the rest of that stuff. The blue pale red pill is all about race I that's your -- those -- code words for the fact that some white people don't like Barack Obama because of the color of his skin you raise."

" To ensure sharing you raise an interesting issue that that the that you're talking about a fallback position when you're confused liberals are confused they think. That automatically. This is such a lawfully proposal that everybody would ember -- are -- out why I never imagined -- two injured."

" Should turn to join his national health Kia planet right you give me a break -- with senate for weeks and weeks and weeks yet. This hits home with people this isn't an extra abstract debate about free trade this is an abstract debate about it pollution rules and regulations. This hits home it's healthcare out."

" Stephen Gloucester your NW RQ good morning to you sir."

" MM and amp M what happened hey what's being. Hit it out. -- I don't share outlook at bat it go without being upside down -- more -- eight. Why are now are going to be absolutely agree -- are pretty. -- All car. Black. I'm pro life ahead. -- Our web MI. All right up there are."

" I'm you know Steve that says this Steve Steve is evident of the racism. That's how appear on this is 617 Tucson let's say he's sexy it's sixty norms and New Hampshire next NWR Kelly hey norm."

" Martin -- And although actually I wanna replace particular should it as well okay and that there may be wrong part of your -- but there to say. -- the type private that you want you're but. You. Okay our availability given charge so -- says there's some good news is do -- I didn't short YE a global company. The content -- currently --"

" Yeah and than the rule would force companies to take people lot of that right."

" That's cook political report those players and so aren't we -- policy that all the object and they -- we will be armed don't see them Jordan I've lower. Then they. -- That it didn't decline Barbie and by the insurance. Industry. Concurrent to the public -- at least -- can and another preexisting conditions or else he can get assurance."

" We understand what's your point about it. --"

" And adoption special group are still looking at everything everybody -- what don't we get the job. That if your -- and believing they get an assistant to -- deceptive because this is another goal here is a problem. I -- and pop up."

" Oh it's still -- disability insurance companies are variety in the coverage your writer remains public sector and those are the kinds of conversations we really should have been having. In effect if you wanna blame someone for scoring this thing up. It's all about Barack Obama and the and the leftists in congress who have over reached. And I've tried to use those legitimate problems like shouldn't everybody be covered regardless of what the pre existing conditions might be. That's a legitimate debate to have but they've kidnapped that. And use though that the desire for that as -- it an opportunity. To try to push something nobody wants it -- and now nobody wants it so they say it's racist."

" Don't underestimate just not Ted Kennedy's illness. -- becoming increasingly -- it in the end it's gonna be pivotal to the the demise of this plant. He was the guy who could talk to the crazies on the left just say hey look -- I was alive he gets them off the window ledge still listening him. They don't listen to anybody else which is shows one of that force Ted Kennedy has been because you want leftists on the window. That's where you wanna."

" In this situation the blue pill works better than the red pill and the terms of the blue -- half as expensive right. We wanna make sure that doctors and patients have that information available."

" Our big story right people all over going to noted tune -- right here. For the best coverage and of course the best talk. Visitors Boston's."

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