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" 1877469432218774694322. That is the toll free number. Of the Howie -- show if you like to join us here this afternoon and every weekday afternoon. We're gonna have some -- Political. People talking about the situation in Massachusetts. In this hour and the first one up is the state treasurer and receiver general. Tim -- Tim thanks for being with us here on -- car show. Pretty good -- now first question is are you running for governor yet."

" I've ever made a final decision. I will decide that after Labor Day so it's not -- now officially yet."

" But it looks like you're gonna run. -- Now look let's talk let's talk a little bit about what's been going on here with the war first while the sales tax now you as you know walk Carla Howell and her group are talking about though they haven't decided to where they gonna go on now repealing the increase in the sales tax adjustment from 5% on August 1 two -- Six point 25% year you're right your quoted the papers today as saying you're right you're in favor of repealing the increase in the sales tax."

" Yes yes I wouldn't go as far as -- half percent in because I I don't think Jack that could win. I'll bet I know these guys that the legislature would never wrote back that -- but I think 5% cut in I didn't agree would be. Increase. And I think did it would be good mover he's put a lot of pressure. On the legislature and on the next governor to to cut -- back to 5%."

" Now what what do you make of what's been going on here with the Massachusetts Bay transportation authority the MBTA I mean this this whole thing with Jim -- we're gonna have some Republicans on later broad. And are there are one anyway Brad Jones and they're demanding that the governor -- get rid of Jim -- we see what what do you think of his recent -- performance since he became -- becomes transportation secretary I mean I wrote about it today he's he's been he's been caught repeatedly in lice."

" Well it if I do run for governor I would I would probably prefer that the government keeps Gmail beliefs you succeed or. But I you know we obviously he has. You know is he says it's it's it's it's difficult. Position to put its stated having having a buyout. About his salary for you know for the next nine months to -- some 50000 dollars. Because. I'm about to supposedly didn't wanna raise the -- Different races this airs on the key verses what he wanted to do eight it just doesn't make sense in that this is following him. Powerball -- footsteps who was pushed out or or less. Well whatever left from the turnpike authority so. I'd be nervous especially when talking about reforming. The transportation. System and having Jim now we've seen charged that we told her students. What he's done over the past six months to just some good public servants."

" Well he's also gone on record in front of the good group of state legislators are saying that third reform is a meaningless slogan."

" Yeah yeah he's. If -- run for governor. I hope gyms around and I hope peace so worked for the governor."

" Now or you know they are you gonna have a -- a -- and you will you're gonna have to have a candidate for lieutenant governor on your ticket have you win now speaking to anybody about this."

" I haven't I haven't I've been thinking about it and obviously is something that will have to play into my decision I don't know if it when I make my decision after labor -- I won't have that part of it. Put in place let's. Yeah we would have to have a candidate in nineteen they would would run in the November election Whitney I I would expect."

" If you you so you haven't asked anybody."

" I haven't talked a few people. And and I've got sort of some names some I'm thinking about what no one ever really app store. Specifically -- but it talked a few people and again he's it's it was a Democrat or Republican and I certainly looking at all. They would have to do want to just switch and go independent and I'm not sure I've -- some really good people I think. I would like to runway that I think it would like to I would need but I much you're willing to make -- But won't say -- I mean so prior. It's certainly looks good in terms of the numbers and in terms of the polls are out of the ones that have been done and it certainly doable what you think a lot of people made may have questions. Back and Jane Inge spyware first you know -- team you know as an independent. But it's I'm certainly electable and I think that would play play into the choice it also would give whoever I asked some comfort that that if we run we can pull it off."

" The other Republicans as you know of us suggested that you may -- should run for lieutenant governor with with Charlie Baker. Is that -- quality."

" They have yes. I I'm not dealt with the that's gonna. Now no I had drugs you know I'm -- certainly would put the same Arafat Charlie he wanted to run -- it would mean it's it's he can run as my lieutenant governor but. But I overall respect Charlie -- this deal be struck Kennedy and he obviously. If he works hard and raises money and does everything you need to do he'll be you know he'll be a strong candidate for governor and I feel I will be to -- spent six years almost seven years as treasurer and certain every level of government. But I wouldn't be. I don't see myself as a number actually it now."

" Now let's let's talk about the turnpike you you've also been saying recently that tell you why you -- you're in favor of by doing away with the -- so this is accurate."

" I mean I'd I'd say you know what we have to replace eleven no with some people would do dual -- with a totally. We have to replace the revenue with some form of a small gas tax is something I mean I don't think we could legitimately do away with -- because who would be a look at the debt. But I think given the information that I've gotten from -- the sort of the the lawsuit itself is a class action lots huge liquids that could. Legitimately lower the tolls if not remove them. Without any impact aren't -- debt on the Big Dig debt or anything else. -- that's one of the things that I think that we should be talking about that lies -- and ask the governor in India AG. To sit down with these -- in sort Menem and his group. To see if we -- come -- some car and negotiation that puts the whole -- interest ahead of the State's interest in and tried to solve this problem sort of looking -- 400 or 500 million dollar pay out some data on the road because. We just put our heads in the sand and said no we're not gonna -- what I am gonna -- you guys."

" Now what but you'll think it's almost two totally come down that so I guess what I'm asking you wiz -- you know we have this thing going on we would try to get involved with -- what to to what. Abolish it by a referendum in 2010 all -- told both send Jerry would you be willing to sign that the petition."

" I would I would we I I would like to have if I run for governor of elected I would like to see the -- about it my -- I really say is certainly the western tolls to deduct those -- to -- out very quickly. Just by selling that concessions out there are and aren't on the turnpike -- those gas stations and I was about you -- that part. Sort of very least take on the west consulted -- if we've got that's. That the money to pay opted dead in the eastern part of the state for western and yeah you know given the fact that this sales tax revenue was going to pay off the Big Dig debt is no reason really. That we have to keep perpetuating and keep rolling road instead it and -- I don't think it's cost effective. I don't think it makes any sense in this day and -- it where fourteen people would stop and it's called. Very inefficient and I would definitely work to try to get those -- whether or not the question passes."

" Will will get to a petition that's -- William Blair won't you know we'll make sure it's got the right city Quincy on have been done everything will be fine and if you wanna get a few more from bureau staff for your family will get -- but we will get to a petition."

" What I -- all right I I understand respect especially with this tax increase that people you know under the proposed. Last year they were Garnett toll increase now that. She. Increase you know people will be overwhelmed which fees and tolls and the cost of living is going to happen and yet nobody salaries going up so. I would be OK wrote about cutting the cost of doing business. And finishing up payroll and ranging outsold it down as low as possible in any way shape or form that I could. Could possibly have control and I think the governor Bob doesn't will have control over a lot of this prosperity didn't have control over before."

" What -- what about Doug Deval Patrick's decision to what cancel all hearings on the idea on the on the fare increases and what do you what do you make of that which say what is this all about it."

" it it appears to be a full scale retreat. I know I kicked off a lot of people who want to get their grievances especially people I guess it shored up the media last night not knowing that the meeting have been canceled. I think to be honest with you they're gonna do a stem to stern review them and bring in David -- go look at things from the outside I don't see why. It would have been helpful to have these twelve hearings this part of that review to get a real sense of why. People are angry at what they're angry about how -- what they want change not just get it from the top down but the bottom drops -- But it was it was definitely retreat and I think it was based on the go out to some all the stores that are out there. -- of -- power -- situation that's going -- health -- around the country and that's what -- first hearing really turned into people are angry. And they have -- it would lead anchor and and it's been directed at the governor -- politically from his position I think you probably get the right thing by trying to quieted down but. At the end of the day I think people are still got carried at anchor in it would have been better for them to authenticate. And explain to the David -- our growth -- is going to be on this review -- they should've been sitting here saying. We want out of that she had happily make it better not just. Looking out from the top down and we I I don't think it's gonna help them again. And they're still gonna have to do these scary just delaying inevitable."

" What what grade would you give. Dan good bows to assist general manager of the MBTA."

" I would give him a -- Certainly not firing offense and -- do do obviously to -- challenges that work that. But overall I think he was a very competent public servant. The fact that they can let him serve out its last nine months which she wanted to do was willing to do. I think -- and and and I don't think you can -- all the blame out of the ways which he operates on heaven's it and it was shocking to me that. It's October 02 months ago I never heard complaints the governors ought to sort formed -- at least you about the way the -- was running with Cheney and -- sudden he's incompetent need to be fired. So it made no sense and it costs us 350000 dollars to do it."

" Let's take some calls for a Tim Kay hill -- he is currently the state treasurer and it appears he's going to run for governor. Next year 18774694322. Day of your next with Howie Carr and Tim Cahill go ahead Dave."

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" That's in Peabody right. Okay. Thanks. Let's say yeah we have I've got an email on that bill -- act is having a if you -- is having a gathering at the congressman's office of tomorrow afternoon seventy Peabody -- doesn't say -- what time though. Paula you're next with how we car and that Tim Cahill the state treasury go ahead Paul."

" You know expect to take -- cost -- quite Jamal why it took -- Eight I've got a suggestion of a question my suggestion feel pathetic governor. They used to work to present Peter is -- the works for you know used to recruit Alfred grass he goes so. -- can make a terrific guy. Lieutenant governor is not political. I don't you know and my question would be. Wouldn't it when it comes to us for referendums can come up -- Such as income tax rollback and everything else what's your position on when the legislation does not."

" Thing about them. I think collective sigh I'm not a big scared -- referendum question to be honest with you because I think you pointed to a failure government when. People have to resort to them but when people do -- signatures and they vote. I think we should we should follow all the rules the voters' roll -- less and -- we absolutely can't do it. I. Can't see my point three out of five I think it's definitely doable and cut the sales tax and six and a quarter got five. I think it definitely dual Florida I think we should listen to people when they vote. Especially when the voters overwhelmingly as it was him in any these these cases -- do agree with that -- would be -- graduates is a great guy. I don't -- the Irish Italian would do -- and the -- ticket together -- have to think we have to work out."

" Tim you get your right Tim your campaign though is just based on the failure of government -- and that's what I mean you're -- you're basically running a referendum type campaign I mean you know -- you gotta do you -- two parties haven't worked so were were stepping out and doing something different just like I don't know behind a referendum question."

" Yeah I mean it but it could look at it that way and certainly got that kind of -- I'm trying to address this and look at it because it's clear that we had sixteen years of Republican Roland. Taxes went up -- people or listened to in the big gateways. It was built in and not watched and move in that we've had three as a result democratic rule -- and we -- actually restricted back into okay what she had finished. As the different -- to link saying. I don't know how I -- and my goal would be to make government war. So I wanna turn that failure around. And engage in give these guys up on beacon power options so it's not just a question of which taxes we raised we can -- financial difficulties but maybe. Some alternatives that -- by not raising taxes or even cutting taxes to try to spark. Economic development because could that so I think we need to do in north really looking at it that way so. We definitely failed all the last year they ask businesses -- as well. And that's where in this recession and and I think we should look at a different way of doing things and and that's one of the reasons I left the party. And it seriously consider running as an independent think ever really -- chances if I do it."

" Greg your next with how we guard and state Treasurer Tim Cahill go ahead Greg."

" I you I guess my question payment. Everybody knows. I mean I think you realize that people are stretched Norman at this point you would rewrite them not so much more than that because they're in -- right. Right you're okay so why why are we keeping on what this system of pension that we know is is gonna break the back of -- Norway there. Why can't we just get rid of the pension than what it's like -- public safety jobs like police. Or fire meanwhile want to pledge to do that that. That was also -- the financial problems than it is like people. They've just doesn't make any sense anymore especially when."

" The average floor there one of these town hall is making more than the -- clerk in a private sector but the point. Well I don't disagree neglect that that the salaries -- have got not a -- action and certainly it is far more lucrative to work in the public sector and every used to be but. I I do have one you know one critique of that is that we don't public employees in the state don't get Social Security. You know can't you could they don't let you know if they don't value -- if they don't need some forma basic. We time and now I agree -- that's somebody's outlandish retirement like. President -- his retirement some of these UMass professes we can't afford us that we won't be able to little break to system. But the average public employee gets about 45000 dollar vehicle the teachers. I public works employees you know I can't give a lot of Armageddon a lot higher. And the outbreak in the system but I don't what you destroy the entire system out because -- we'll have to find a way to pay."

" Or should BS JC justices citizens. Retirement needs because if they're not collecting something. This state gonna have to step into the camera that is not it -- to be able to we couldn't afford. To pick up sort security there was process a lot more so -- we need to do I think is try to get. The people who are taking out of the system it's taking too much. And we got to get people pay more into the system like this would like to see justices aren't making up the difference but I don't agree that we need we can't. Afford just get rid of the entire system."

" Tim I begged and shredded I've been trying to ask -- BS JC justices as you know I know it's only eight of home. But they don't pay end to the pension system and they get a pension and the with their salaries they all end up over a hundred what."

" is going -- like you're up there if you don't pay into the system you should not get anything out of it. But the vast majority people do pay into the system. I think -- pretty heavily into the system and they should get back what they put into it. And it Armitage we know why -- supported by the people -- as the chairman of the retirement board I'd. You know what it would. Very very -- are people who don't say and do legislators were trying to get credit for cellphones and parking spaces and think you're leading into the system. And we have felt all right near so I agree that you want but it same type of people who do pay into the system. I think they deserve to get something back on that but it -- to be reasonable or well break you know it will take our backs and and cause us to two run deficits which we can't afford to -- else."

" call Greg Campbell we won't keep you much longer them just got a couple more calls Kevin your next with Howie Carr and state Treasurer Tim Cahill go ahead Kevin."

" I think well now it's better not think well armed camp. You're saying people what they -- about welfare when they're okay. Well I got it. Deep --"

" If we if we can't afford that but people or working up paying into the system they'd get if they ate their paychecks. -- you up to 10% of their paycheck so people out what I am staying. Is that the people who won't work -- it working I don't public. Those are the people that we should be focusing on trying to help not the people who are -- system. The people that are paying taxes. Because I think we're doing so much and I don't think we can afford to do it beyond that so. I'm with you -- that. We can't afford to cover more people -- well that we can't afford to cover more people health care. -- because we don't have the money. But the people who are working whether it be public or private employees as long as they're working hard I think they deserve to keep -- of their tax --"

" Well let -- state what state health help health benefits for a legal aliens I mean -- That Deval Patrick seems to be obsessed with -- he wants to keep up providing this some money for a legal aliens how do you stand on that them."

" It's like the old days of rocks yeah Ali we were so generous and we still -- very generous in the states we have the most generous unemployment. Compensation of any state we paid the most we. We have the most generous welfare system -- what happens is you UN to attracting people to the state based on the benefits. Not based on work opportunities it would seem that -- okay. You know these these 30000. Legal immigrants as they call -- then you have 434. Years. I'm obviously this year for the benefit -- ended up being covered by the federal government so what -- we covered especially if it means we're not covering. The hard working people are still exist they're all likes it it makes no sense to me and and that's what I wanna do. If I run for governor -- elected this brings some comments sent back to this state did it seems so lost so much of its concepts."

" call Kevin one more call and we'll let him go and again we got the Republicans coming up to talk about Allah we see after after the break Oliver you're next with Howie Carr and state Treasurer Tim -- go ahead all over."

" They're very quickly that -- gentlemen to the -- about pensions. There. And I -- what I like is the that the private person not not on the public. Is the egregious that's so well I would pick on the crops from the fire that right now. The I'll betcha they got wanted to you know what it would they do the last three years. 90%. Or so -- The 80% of the left so they allowed state jet roughly a hundred doubt that make 80000 dollars in the detention. That is it's good compared -- the private but that's that's sort I would go I go after the -- for the firing worked my way copper that's outrageous."

" Because I would try I don't disagree that outrageous. The other potential battle over 50000 dollars the other ones that are creeping up with people do take. Again -- will also last year they get a bonus they get. Promotion or something I think is. I think it's it's it's made the system -- doubt they used to be. It and I think what you gonna ever doubt that what you don't agree especially in this environment. That there are bargain anywhere you don't want to edit fill up their employees get. And I think we need to bring small battle for that so I don't disagree review I just don't -- the entire system."

" They'll tell you I think we're always get that I mean you've -- there's head of the retirement board for 767. Years now meet have you filed any legislation to get these pensions under control."

" We have we have put and it was just part of it was just tab -- pension reform which is to typify what regular compensation as. What what -- what was happening to -- we would get all these. These claims and what people or adding things into there -- that they weren't paying. Yeah look at consumer shape into their work and retirement aren't they weren't part of regular paid a regular other you -- state employee in yet. Access to so we get our elected we I was three years and -- well entirely -- you were at least. We're able to decide what regular -- the phones out we've taken a card out. It's things like Billy Bulger is. -- it's Rudy and it housing allowance no longer can qualify things like that. So I think we try to bring some walk out into the system that but I don't disagree that it's. It's become part to generous and you know -- like this it's making people angry."

" Tim -- we appreciate you being whether -- send though to have you on again though once you well make your announcement."

" A combatant that's about that."

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