Sotomayor: Day 3

" Broncos during the from a new balanced world headquarters building. -- how -- color joke my expectation is is that we will probably continue to see unemployment. Ticked off for several months. The challenge for this administration is. Make sure. That's even as we are stabilizing the financial system we understand that the most important thing in the economy is are people able to find good jobs that pay good -- William."

" And the lawyers anonymously rate judges in terms of temperament. And here's what they said that you. She's a chair on the bench she behaves and out of control manner she is nasty to lawyers and she'll attack lawyers from making argument she does not like she can be a bit of a bully I do believe."

" That every person has and not equal opportunity to be a good and wise judge regardless of their background or life experiences senator reserve aggressively did stop the caucus and deducted from your child."

" People always say I have the ability to turn people on how worried."

" I just couldn't be what was happening to my former press command to -- for -- and we did."

" Now how Linda Lawrence --"

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" Does you know recovering. Quite well from surgery. This is -- the Nelson filling in and for those -- here at the beginning of the program. We were treated to an interview with -- Rihanna was a guest on the program by phone. But now we're on our own. One of the things we do on this program is we have a poll it is volleyball. Is brought to you by Jeff Carbone insurance contacted commissioner said Jeff Carbone insurance dot com. To save money on your auto and home insurance. Jeff Carbone insurance dot com to save money on your auto and home insurance. And junior are pulled for today years. -- unite here Michelle okay Michelle you vote to confirm Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. Yes and I would not do what do these people to what do our poll results show. They are stuck and 94% 94% remember we had a caller who said watch out because. The cell phones are gonna be active and people are gonna call in and and deliberately shifted but not show. So there are no it's not remember and this is not whether she will be confirmed whether she should be confirmed. When you wanna focus again on on gene Gmail because of I picked up on and also why did Sonia have to effect a Spanish accent when she said Latino. She's from New York City if I mean gene if I used a fake Italian accent. Then the Italian citizens club the old timers would think -- are making fun of them. -- this one of my pet gripes when people do that you hear them now awaiting more Hispanic than -- kind of stuff. But how come they don't refer to Frances Walsh. And capitalist party. Pension -- not Japan and torched on instead of Germany and for those who were much better -- than I am. You can affected German action than I expected to be done every time these German name which really gotten a little ridiculous. Before we go back to the line -- and I owned by calls again 8774694322. The hyphenated Americanism speech it was referred to by a caller before the break. We've got -- terrific in -- junior and and Michelle and junior oil and got a -- delivered by Theodore Roosevelt at the time. He was former president Roosevelt and October 12 1915. In New York City. I won't read the whole speech a little too long I would recommend that people take time to originally couple stages but. Here's judge begins now and I'm quoting now. There's no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I referred hyphenated Americans I do not refer naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have I've ever known were naturalized Americans Americans born abroad. But hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true -- man who puts native. Before the -- of the man who pushed German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States most lunch -- only condemn any men who holds any other oral lesions. But if he is heartily and she only loyal to this republic but no matter where he was born he is just as good an American as anyone -- And put us the first paragraph registry. -- inches from the last paragraph. All of us no matter what -- and our parents came from no matter in what way we made several we worship our creator. Must stand shoulder to shoulder in united America for the elimination. Of racial and religious prejudice. We must stand for a range of equal justice to both big and small we must insist on the maintenance of the American standard -- I'll stop there. This show a shift from somebody who had been president of the united station and said now closing in -- hundred years ago you think we were alarmed got the message -- was right then. How -- more backtracking sliding back. Go back to the telephone -- 8774694322. David you're next on the program good afternoon David."

" Hi. This congress say. I think he will be paranoid guy."

" It's really. And if -- where and why is that."

" Oh I don't know its its key evidence that the reaction. To it stayed man hour. I think that's but it is my case."

" About dish is your cases should be better than a white guy yeah. What do me a favor and Patricia Patricia case -- example if you would."

" An example yeah I don't know just that good -- blowing it so far out of proportion and and make taking itself variously. -- just like collapsing onto it limits. Leave nothing and an incidental."

" You really don't think you're you don't think it's an important comment when you say you accidentally made it was just a slip of the tongue kind of thing."

" I just stink. It's. Let me I would say it's maybe them. Humble confidence shifted those two can go together which I believe they can. And down confidence and and maybe a little bit of pride and in her after its nineteen nothing wrong."

" Trashy tell when you have priming your Harry's does that mean that you have to suggest that -- better than people of different heritage."

" Well not everything has to be taking. 100 but then they ended -- of that science degree various parades."

" Using Jewish -- it."

" No. That she said maybe she's just saying to us because it's very reverend hurt her and her. People she was speaking in --"

" Well hey -- fellow Latinos or or women but do you need to inspire them. By denigrating other issues that do well."

" Wouldn't installation adult should consider it did take denigrating I think I think she's starting to make up for perhaps. Perhaps. That the perhaps. Some people that where were considered to you know where where it would so perhaps they couldn't make it."

" No but don't sanctuary if you want to inspire and you say that you can make it in your. -- can be great why do you then have to say you're better little white men how would you have felt that she had said none better than a black male."

" Well I don't know I think you just doing its first spy business paper ticket she's leaning. Why didn't the people that perhaps that flat. Certain races to and throughout that throughout the years."

" she showed she and now it's a reaction to oppression she felt that she was oppression shall now shares to strike back to an all white males oppressor. -- You know told they have -- she was married she was married at one point me to a guy named Kevin Noonan. -- that does not sound Hispanic. So maybe it was stay in the marriage. She was oppressed and she figured all white men are like my husband."

" Hole I doubt here not I don't personally bag fell good I'm Irish myself but I -- You know one little one she was denigrating rich you aren't we all your -- it's a nice."

" Thanks for calling. Well thank you miss this one vote from the Irish community in. Milano and Garrett but you think. That's why we have interest in phone calls I -- 774694322. Is the phone number he Nelson at wrko.com. Is the email address. We're of course focusing on Sonia Sotomayor. And her now infamous comment about the wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences. Would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

" Maybe that's where she ended up divorced. But to the telephone lines Arthur your next on the program good afternoon."

" I don't know how we and you bring me back in the days of political over the age period. When you are and should be our someplace every single birdie when you're qualified jury would."

" Tell your very kind thank you."

" That's why estate what -- driving job just listen to you guys that reach but anyway yeah."

" We need more devoted listeners like you."

" Well we -- more -- what we need more talk show -- like you because you articulate your points or so simply. So well that just such a -- of the trip anguished query which. There was an education just it was so you all these years -- thank you. That drive it was up before we're given our sporadic."

" Well you know you you never know what you gonna get when you -- there. And you -- I am in front of me is a first name I don't know anything else about the person. And did so you open it up and sometimes it's an adventure."

" Well whether that's true and you know oh we have to listen you know. Obviously. That's definitely your support for her as as was his sport but. You know we're all immigrants and you know we came to America for the dream of America and it's amazing that Teddy Roosevelt and I have that particular. These -- this speech because the they came out over the it to that dirt during the immigration. A crisis sure that it was so eloquently put in -- ever -- it was right on the muddy and look at over the years ago. It was put out that we don't have. Stage lit up people like Teddy Roosevelt anymore."

" Knowledge is that this is a very good point did you just make king of trying to imagine whether somebody could get up on the floor of the Senate floor. A former president. Speaking in this case says he was doing he was it was a former president speaking of the Knights of Columbus in New York City actually Carnegie Hall. -- and giving a speech like this. He instead what you -- are people who are start pandering now we have to have affirmative action only after a treat some groups that -- and other groups and and judged by the to contradict Martin Luther King Jr. by the color of the skin instead of the content of the character is it's a good point that. Here nearly a hundred years ago former president was able to speak like this and resonates down through the decades. We --"

" So what -- sort certainly does. A lot of training you know it's it's seems to me that Joshi went through all these a lot of schools and that I associate did -- very well. And -- airport decides to it's doubtful interpreter experiences. But interpret the law as as she was our. And as far before ordering at a fair and impartial way actually it seems like she's going to be anything but it."

" That's right that's right -- point well taken thank you for calling. It's literally a sidebar here as I read up on her background at one point when she was interviewing with law firms somebody apparently made a comet temple law firm. That she had gotten to fruition got an issue and Princeton undergraduate Yale Law School. That she had gotten there because of affirmative action and she sued. She actually sued and I can get got resolved but. There was something that that changed hands. So she was very offended that somebody would assume. That it was because of affirmative action now I can understand her being offended that. I can also understand why somebody would make the assumption. But emotionally I can do I do it now whenever I come across somebody who is likely to be the beneficiary of one of the affirmative action programs. I got asked that question are you here because you're good or because your black. Are you here because you're good or because year old Latina. -- determined that likely and it's hard to it's hard to know so. It's one thing when you're talking about a a lawyer. Hill to get to be healthy if if he's -- because of his skin color because of affirmative action so messes up tenure case. But the -- doctor. -- you mess up your life. So a meritocracy which is what we should be striving for is what it's all about Daniel died down so -- Sotomayor did make it on the merits. And you'd think that she would be front and -- having lived through this experience where was assumed she was an affirmative action. Result. You think she'll be first in line to say. Let's settle at a shy instead she embraces it and practices more -- Remarkable. And set. 87746943. To choose a phone number. They Nelson -- wrko.com. The email address hobby Nelson for Howie Carr this afternoon. By the way if if I don't have to quote Lindsey Graham a meltdown. I've been invited back for next Thursday so far not back he -- judge that this was a meltdown so we'll try to hang -- Let's go back to the telephone lines to go next to Jack good afternoon Jack."

" Very obvious illegal X. It is that's static -- skin color is the number one qualifier. Or hold high office in this. United States -- it is it's just real pathetic that. That is the most important thing and anyone's mind is what what race -- and you know -- white and doesn't matter the qualifications. Is just not gonna be. As good. Person just because of their skin color."

" That's right it does anybody really think if Sonia Sotomayor. Woke up tomorrow. And were male. And had an Anglo Saxon name. In other words if she were not. So Hispanic Goran user terminology like -- does anyone really think that the president would have nominated her and that tell him. And that then there would be it is different person before and hearings in the US senate of course not right."

" Well of course not I think about. Or static need to take me just -- you know we don't have any big -- representational."

" Yeah I usually use eye color I wanna know you know I I've got green nice and I know that they're under represented. Especially on the court."

" While back guillotine it can you think of anything that. A Latina has ever contributed to this society. Other than median mustaches."

" We're seeing now now look where you go on with that. Say this is this is the kind of thing that -- that provides for. Provides fodder for the people on the other side. Now we dude you've got rid of them that says you know when someone who actually goes that far over he felt he he's. -- that's where you get the generalization on the other side. And you -- I guess we didn't hear the remark got -- ones that I truly didn't go out over the -- already sent. Don't get. But now all that okay let's give a big issue works on both sides that does. Does happen. There is a got an email from -- And she writes. Sony -- a bigot. And bigotry is interfering with her brain. She mentioned that she like -- nation when she was young and that he inspired her to be a prosecutor. Well Perry -- issue was a defense -- not prosecutor but that's okay. -- she mission uses words saying eminent. Instead of imminent. We should do a program on orchard words I didn't hear that particular -- usually worked well and there were some others. That that she didn't misuse. I think she. She talked about the provenance of congress."

" I think she probably amend the yen province of congress but. Maybe she meant enough it's. 8774694322. Is a phone number. We are left with a sad spectacle and it's reflective of society I mentioned earlier that theory of the New York times' Maureen Dowd who writes nasty things. Doesn't like -- meant either. And there are -- column the short Op Ed piece in July 15. I'm in in the New York Times and children in New York Times has sunk to as well as showing kind of thing. Criticizing. In rather caustic terms white Republican men and so on and so forth. The real flaw in this go -- got two lines. The real flaw in this is the generalization doesn't hold. Like if you ramifications let's say women. Do you think. That. That all black women have the same. -- it's -- loss of three. To -- black men think like -- Clarence Thomas. Sure you get somebody of my skin color is that going to represent that group. -- that's insulting the forestry on the other side it's left wing flushing his group isn't. Is he insulting it's an affront to the people because it takes away their individuality. There are Hispanics that are libertarians -- context. There -- Spanish all differ instruction Cheju in terms of philosophy same is true black people same is true of white people. You cannot just by Melanie and in the skin determine what a person is thinking. Tomorrow informed Sonia Sotomayor. That -- are generated in the brain not the genitalia. That's the flaw in the argument. And that's why individuals who worked so much better than this kind of clashes. Toward people left Europe because the U remnant of a feudal system and group them into shortened groups into into certain. Clash -- vacation and they came here where they can be treated as individuals. Rise or fall on their individual merit."

" There -- ocean -- slipping back. Page 774694322. Is the phone number. Crash connection program good afternoon crash."

" And you know. I was thinking about how old I don't grow up but I I went to school with Brock did and I played sports abrupt."

" And -- main belt but you know I would fiscal -- obviously there are black people at Martinez and Chinese people. But it -- I I think probably every other day. You know they -- stuff to me that you know I guess you could say offended me but I I think the people who think that they're offended really only say they're offended because they stand to gain some some might say in the they're offended. I mean big deal about that the real problem with her -- gonna be the position. Unfortunately. For a cause of her past said that she. Does think it's okay to legislate from the bench -- take this kind of retarded but very common attitude. To a place where she's going to be able to effect change -- a negative way. And that's that's not a good thing."

" No you're actually right -- not true."

" I decorate if it who called and kind of blew it off I don't think he realizes you know are gonna go I don't think too far out on a limb after listening to a how would you feel if she thought that heterosexual. We're better at that gay people I bet that particulate I would call right back and say that that's brawl."

" It's it's good point fellowship which you run with him. Beyond that you know it's really we've lost call that night. I want to make a point he said he had heard some -- through -- and you get on with it and they actually did do it hey -- people make untoward remarks whether they're trying to be funny. Or the trying to be malicious. But I changed my mind on that used to be -- much pressure -- get on with it. And the reason I've changed my mind is because I she that there is now a drumbeat as steady drumbeat which is getting quite loud. Andy is insinuating itself into societal decisions. Where it's considered okay. To kick around white men. And I think it's time. To stand up and saying knock it off. You don't like it when your group is criticized when your group is denigrated. For. Painted with a broad brush. And and stereotypes applied. We don't like either and it's unjustified and unwarranted. And moving to a Schneider will you denigrate a whole group. Instead of criticizing an individualistic criticism is worth launching. We go that route then we end up with a palm and so I think it's time it's necessary to stand up as a matter of policy as -- Fossett. And say we're not gonna tolerate this anymore. If you wanna get rid of bigotry. And racism and sexism and all the other isms that are unpleasant. -- got to do it. And ignoring it will not make the problem go away. -- My message to the last caller is it's time to call people -- because once they get called no knock it off. If there's if it's not treated with a smile and Wayne corps in ignored. Gnawed. Then. You'll find a mile shut it and these time first to have less of it. This is Donnie Nelson you're in -- metallic car program."

" I do believe. That every person."

" Has not equal opportunity. Cynthia good and wise judge we're regardless of their background or life experience."

" You do realize judge but not his wife is I have my because. You've got the wrong gender and over on the the -- So there's wines and then there's lines."

" And we're discussing the wisdom for a lack thereof. Sonia Sotomayor. And her comments. And whether she should be confirmed by virtue of those and the implications for society. In the broader measure when someone like this can be seriously considered for appointment as justice to the United States Supreme Court. -- thought to welcome this is on the Nelson filling in for Howie -- how he's doing well for those who were concerned and if you've got to the program late. Showed why you have to get your run time how he was on the program earlier and he has -- blessing while will be back a week from Monday. 8774694322. Is the way join the program before how he comes back. And if you like to email or maybe I should say or if you like email. In -- you can do it as a man we don't we don't prevent emails from coming from callers. Email address is -- Nelson at WR KL dot com. 8774694322. Or if you prefer to do it -- letters. There's a special place in hell reserved for people who know which letter goes with which number among -- one person who knew that your fingertips. You know play if -- Precious HU immediately would know more keyed -- on the phone but there are some people who do possession any jealous this year and yes there's special place in hell it's like. So I don't which Brandenburg concertos playing which must -- concerto. Okay let's go back to the telephone lines send our group suspension this intellectual -- We are next to Bob good afternoon -- your next on the program."

" I am the ban was speaking about I have a lot because. I have no on -- speak for -- I'm -- white Anglo Saxon Protestants. Was the Christian. People can say anything they want about that they can -- me they can about my religion. The Democrats keep going about creating special interest groups for their own power. Once they created them they know that if they feed them they will get their vote. By point would be this. That was a wise man sent to the United States and about 1786. -- Francis -- with -- It was the study the emerging democracy. And understand what it would mean crowns. And what it would mean in the future. When -- high school they used to be -- that was given that the demand. And then they -- the last. And what was attributed to them on the right. For Lexus the Oakville. After all of this -- they select the one phrase. The gamble of democracy. Right that you gamble of democracy is exactly. That is assuming the citizenry. Sufficiently well informed. Rational enough to govern itself. That said. I sadly admit that to me the gamblers lost. Almost all of your listeners who do understand. Who have some fact but I guess the people who merely say I voted for hope. And change. And they. -- he cannot or. Game was lost we let me about and --"

" Yeah well you know you're right ended cultural also. Have doubts about whether American democracy was succeed. I think each ocean and then he really did look as gamble. You know Bob I think of the makings of a column there when I was the invisible man you use invisible what do you say you are the what the what. The cannot read it yet -- what is he ought to write the column that you'll put in the first person that knew who knows maybe some real printed in you'll drives -- Sonia Sotomayor and among Maureen Dowd and some of the others crazy. And from what you should in the you know sometimes I don't see you usually male I'm not that I have any club that you know nowadays with -- You've got an opportunity and I think should need into some conservative paper might very well look might get some attention -- pretty well give it given Shiite."

" I do right and I I would I need to try to get us all to stand up and shake these stupid people's would have no fact they walk away from us. Because we believe that fact of what has happened and now we got here they have nothing and we -- feel that there can yeah but what they see."

" Bob played well taken thanks for calling card for about. You know he also brings up something that I will get to later on the other one I'm intrigued me interrupt the flow of the program now or on Sonia Sotomayor worked. Stay with her in the implications for society. But he brought up France and we just passed Bastille day was July 14. Well I wasn't on the air with you July 14 and is close enough 1789. -- when they storm the Bastille and noticed. It was that was the French were beginning of the French revolution. It followed but by two years. The drafting of the American constitution. And it was because of France's help and involvement. Then we won the war against England. Of course France came into it because England was her enemy. Nonetheless without the support from friends and and not only in terms of personnel bit money and ships. I don't think we would of won here American revolution fight. So interest in I -- wanna -- we'll get back to there's much there's a fair amount of history that we should talk about today. History is important I know some people want compassion care. Forty years ago that the we launched Apollo eleven. We went to the moon. Forty years ago coming up. I think because tomorrow. Is the anniversary fortieth anniversary of Chappaquiddick the Chappaquiddick incident with Ted Kennedy emerge a pathetically. We'll get to those later on but for the time being let's stay with the themes of the currency. A question of philosophy. Where this country is headed embodied by the hearings on Sotomayor. And her comments and interpretation. The response that people have to those. 8774694322. Is the phone number eight Nelson NW RKO dot com using email address. And we do next generation good afternoon Jason."

" I -- it's a little quick. I would hope they'll wise white men with the richness of his experiences."

" What more often than not -- a better conclusion and a black or Latino male. Now. This of that statement. With those out there do listening right now would they classify -- as a racist bigots."

" You exactly does a little of that yes -- so what I would say this people who automatically that this statement all of that back faster speed you know. What what what boggles my mind is affected. They listen to that statement."

" Made by Sotomayor and they have got bet he'd asked wolf what exactly do you mean by that. Let's say it's like that may affect that it needs clarification -- little. Off but they are hate."

" Potatoes and some heat comes off the left and says."

" What do what do you mean you hate that I think. Doesn't -- not just Philadelphia or."

" Not only that but it's even worse that she flat out denies that she she just repudiate your own comments and everybody should check within Lindsey Graham -- one point -- I believe you. -- a believer. I want I'd like to think Jason that great minds work in the same direction because what you just did the re crafting overstatement. Early in the program I did the same thing. And that's why am glad you did it again if we have to remember that not everybody for reasons that are urged you're having not everybody stays above the program for the whole four hours. George good to reiterated and that of course which you produced is the -- test for whether each statement. Is acceptable. Or unacceptably bigoted."

" Yet everything and you were right exactly you know when you're talking about how."

" How you know that the Bill White milk to America's -- they kind of took in the same. Cut and motif this that a lot of the minorities making out -- when a white joke is told. They kind of roll with the -- kind of brush it off and that's not just you know what it is is just jokingly just kind of brushed off nobody expects anything you know in its. -- just -- you know gone done away with. But the second upset about somebody else -- to issue -- and you even have the white people stirred up and and kind of like creating all these you know. These laws you know for immigration you know it and that is psychic felt. Meant to protect them that they you know it's it's like just as it's okay. Everybody all the routed you know it's it's it's it's why people -- let that happen --"

" More more more so."

" Then in the minorities it's just. They just learned just."

" Yeah -- and it ditch church not to not to be accepted and we got to put of the barriers to a bigger -- one of my hot button issues I dislike it intensely. Apply ice that applies and then that's because I guess Jason thank you for calling it this is. This because I'm I'm libertarian. More libertarian believes in individual rights and libertarian focuses on the individual. As the smallest group it's also the largest group we should consider. What you don't have to go beyond that let the individual rise or fall on his own merit to and I use the term is by the way. I'm using conventional. Language it's more efficient to use here is that to always be stopping and saying his and her. We use that convention it's not a statement of bigotry or prejudiced it's just like you never safe father nature or parent nature right. And it's a manhole cover not a personal cover -- And those -- were getting up in arms -- the the use of the line which the point is that individualism. Is the best approach. And when I hear bigotry when I hear this this stereotyping. Of individuals these these groupings on the patients have. Of silly classifications. Skin color hair color ethnicity. It annoys me -- and we just have to stand up and oppose it and we've done a pretty good job of that. With regard to opposition and with so called minorities and now we -- I think you'll when it comes to white males is probably okay it's not. It's not. And it's time to stand up sensation. This is on the Nelson here in tune with how he car program."

" And it's something."

" I believe. That's my life. Demonstrates. That that was not my intent to leave the impression that some have taken from my words."

" Welcome back this is nothing -- and no -- make a correction I got an email from Linda. Points out that in article China and not seeing. Judge Sonia Sotomayor saying. This is dated dubbed by every June 11 20092. Relatively recent she said she is a perfect affirmative action baby congestion quotes. Perfect affirmative action baby she was accepted to Princeton -- despite a lackluster test performance compared to other applicants. Now what what is interesting for me is I don't know then what she should that law firm for pointing that out. Made the assumption was correct I don't know what ground she would have to soups were supposed to pretend that it it didn't. Didn't happen. My test scores she says were not comparable to lose that. Passion -- mean those of my colleagues at Princeton area. Interest and he got -- so the question who didn't get in because she did. Where's that guy now probably white guy right. He didn't get to go to Princeton somebody else didn't get go to -- We only talk about those -- go back to the lines before the break. 8774694322. Mark your next on the program."

" I was gonna mention that I -- despite that -- civil that law firm for characterized inherit an affirmative action candidate she herself does not record yes stating that she's a product of affirmative action."

" It fact that people are confident that you can actually see her being interviewed on that subject and cheese -- to quite unequivocally -- she -- in high school a separate structure. It they have been for affirmative action issued it never got into college."

" How does she was sure where she sure the law firm for that."

" While at the very good question and you have a caller earlier waters so that a lot of these you know professional agreed -- are only agree what that got something -- And that clearly at the time she was applying she has something that day."

" I guess so but afoul of the law firm and it turns out not some actual thinking you -- masses -- test scores -- just capitulated that if she's acknowledging it. I don't know for what kind of settlement there was enough to look at a began Metafile remember that law firm and I read this this speech and us for my money back right."

" I will get on the net and find that cut find that statement that cheap labor she's so issues the product of affirmative action employ at least."

" Yeah these are actually clip because I just read the quote that."

" Yes there's a collection wish it did it's it's on the -- for -- an interview that she gave the television -- station. It happened after the other New Haven firefighters case should be little girl about her view as an affirmative action and then she. She talked at length the parker deprived background and how question yourself what the beneficiary from the back."

" Wow okay thanks for the tip thanks mark. And of course that's the problem affirmative action news she's the person gets to abandon the benefit I remember and be guilt she the person who is hurt by it. Remember having a discussion with the I don't know why they invited me there was -- Kennedy library was the ACLU and head of it came here. And he was -- talked about how we use the beneficiary of affirmative action. Pointed out to and that you have to work program is first -- Anthony and your program -- million dollars everybody in Anthony you'd be the beneficiary of that too. But who didn't get into the -- each school because you did who are the people who quietly. Are sent back. Told they had better scores and that's the problem with the firefighters. And she dismissed out of water problem wasn't just a little brochures try to force but none enough think they said that they she should've. Done more than -- a couple of cents by way of dismissal. Somebody else this is sound card program."

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