Richard Lindzen:Global Warming Denier

" from a new Reynolds world headquarters building. It's here's the how it -- shows. And these town hall meeting. Who decides what questions -- I think a group of her new media is is shuffling through questions we are so pre select. No we usually just generally can't get tickets first come first -- it seems in this case the we're invited either by Wales will find the universe. I -- right. Plus as it's -- And white priest -- fine just open it up people -- I'll let you ask me questions mark as to whether you -- questions of the town hall meeting. The president conducted in Annandale high end and it's -- I."

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" One 877469432218774694322. That's the toll free number of our car show if you would like to join us here this afternoon every weekday afternoon. You also listen to the show on the Internet go to our website which is how we cart dot com and click on the live audio streaming also how we cart dot com you can take -- a daily Internet poll question how we poll is brought to you by Jeff Carbone insurance contact the commissioner Jeff Carmona insurance dot com to save money on your auto and home insurance. Jeff Carmona insurance dot com to save money on your auto and home insurance city what is today's poll questioned one of the results thus far. Is -- other bombing you know yesterday us. About professors the weather bombing him out. Look closely smut business. For the traffic on some anyone for subtle call -- is out. I'm sure a lot of that 90% -- just trying to keep up a good face huge amounts of postal whether gets you about when you're an adult -- and I try not do but again I wanna go look for a month play it's it's hard not to to let it affect your -- mindset. Anyway. That's a poll. Question we're now -- and it's a it's a great pleasure to have him here we've been talking about global warming and -- we can never reach Al Gore for comment about the officials believe the ongoing. Let's change this there which is the new name for global warming since there isn't any global warming. But today we're joined by eight. MIT. Richard Williamson. And he is a easy he's a skeptic -- are uses this is safe to describe -- a skeptic on the subject of quote unquote global warming. Maybe not I I actually image deny -- But it's not -- Who Alan Goodman and Ellen Goodman and ball. Bobby Kennedy junior wanna try UN has some kind of Nuremburg. -- yeah. No I actually think the evidence is pretty overwhelming bent it is not the case. And so I don't think that's -- skepticism. What is what is going on here you edited that this. Well well the weather is terrible it's been good this is the worst the that the most. -- June we had since 1903. It's it's barely gotten out of the low sixties. NN yet that the this the congress by a by a narrow margin but still they passed 88 cap and trade had to deal with this problem. That none of us can see in our daily lives."

" Well I'm sure there's some place on -- somebody concede that it's warmer. They don't there's always some weather and climate are always changing. I'm probably older than you I remember when hurricanes used to come here every autumn. Or practically so and you know that changes. I don't understand this issue because is it really speaks to a divorce. From nature. I mean as you say you look around do you know things are changing and so on how did we get a population. They can be told. Something that contradicts their senses. And go crazy over. And."

" We're talking during the break I mean I really think there is an element of religion here the Savimbi these most of the people who were into global warming and believe it doesn't are not religious people. Yeah there's an -- saying you know if if if you don't believe me if I pretend you value your head and give it to me are now I mean the trouble is not believe being -- and gun do is you'll believe in anything right."

" And there's some truth to that I think what people are looking for is a kind of vindication. Which religion used to give some people. So you know if you're looking at the world around you with your PC and everything. And you realize the technology is just gotten away from you you don't understand science she can't dead single digit numbers you're lost in this society. Trial you know you then move fuel pump. And now you -- told. That if you don't understand that it's global warming that's going on your dumb but if you agree to it you're smart."

" The planet has a fever -- see your baby has a fever you go to the doctor. If the doctor says you need to intervene here you don't say well our Renaissance -- now that tells me is not a problem. Take the criteria that. I need you out so it."

" No -- person feels on top of that they change delightful they're saving the earth. So they're virtuous this smart. They cling to this issue because otherwise they know they're not virtual assume they're not smoke."

" I understand that this would be this would be accepted I mean and he you know you can sell. -- skinny line of BS to a certain group of people -- think a -- knows all about that but UN present last week UN the president of the United States found talking about changing light bulbs at the White House I know."

" And you know this congress passed that law that requires us to get rid of our incandescent bulbs by 32 or something else. I I spoke to some you know Republican congressmen about this myself well isn't that a good idea. I said that's the stupidest should have heard about nation watched. You know they don't know what's a good idea anymore."

" What is the when did the scientific. Foundations such as they are for global warming so called. Begin when did they start falling apart."

" Oh. I think pretty early on and actually I mean it wasn't that there was a concrete case over. Then the idea was simple enough I mean none you -- CO to a lot of CO2. And you'll get a little bit of warming means and not anything you worry about but in the seventies so models were created. That could take you know clouds and water vapor nor -- cause a multi make whatever we did much much worse. And then the environmental movement said you know we're running out of things people can see and feel like thirty year -- dirty water. We need something they can't see that'll keep -- going forever right. And they said this looks good will try ozone hole first nuclear club so I guess that's why this fish. Yeah I hate to tell you did lead the American negotiator of the Montreal convention. Bending free guns yes can buy EM ninety you know after he negotiated the -- flush. He says listen. This say nothing yet wait till we get to carbon dioxide but he was improve living there it right."

" Carol kind of like minimally hold traps -- then you go after hunting right in the next few referendums that he's in death. 1877469432. Todd William and in the next in the next break. But I don't I don't list of headlines from my time magazine in the New York Times going back to the twenties. An image just this they keep bouncing back and forth between. That we have a terrible problem with global cooling periods and years later -- be a big headline its global warming then ten more years later it's global cooling actually to be fair the Bible also uses climate to scare people. There we go there's the religious it's a tradition and but we're we're too smart for that. I thought we -- computer -- oh yes you're right we aren't too smart for that new look at the polls ordinary people see through the isn't. But educated people who are very vulnerable. True what. It isn't that the way at all -- I've -- so. 1877469432. To win this is Richard Williamson he's an atmospheric scientist. That it might take so just in case we do get some people who Gordon on the tigers. Now what are what are your credentials you."

" Well I have. A doctorate from Harvard. Work about 215 publications. That's pretty. You know. Teach in MIT. Have a chair in the room. -- to the national academy. But -- tell us about the art appraiser I want to hear what I wanna hear the hold the story from firsthand. Oh we knew that we had a house fire. And my office -- And there was a rug hang in there and it burned but there were fragments left and we had pictures and so on. Said the insurance company is giving us an extremely hard time and they want proof of everything and so on. So we need to get an appraisal and somebody suggested to go right. We called him I sent him pictures. And he said bring over the fragment so I can examine them. Test my wife if she would come by and she came in and he says I'm sorry I won't examine these. I've sent an email to your husband died and check my email so I checked it. Actually said. I have decided after some consideration. Not to offer you an appraisal. Because I find your personal. Views on global warming are your views on -- global warming to be personally offensive to millions."

" How dare you disagree with them that's hate speech I guess it must -- you should look I think that's it. But no I say is TI appreciate did that. I mean I sometimes wonder how often this must happen and they don't tell me."

" 1877469432. To note here but. Among your your colleague your peers I mean you're not aware I am right I mean -- not. Now for the most part everything but I mean everybody split in your raw you're your this discipline is a split right. Oh yeah I you know I think it's a little bit trickier than not. That are. Everyone I know has you know of their own specialties. You know nobody works on everything. I don't work on polar bears I don't. Work on that our work on the -- okay might have to themselves and I'm sure I -- he had no number quintuple that since nineteen you know early. -- works on the ocean guy works on tropical storms things like that. My impression is they all trying to keep the area of their interest it and clean. And nine times out of ten what they find is non supportive. Of the global warming hysteria and and precise so. But. There's a kind of triage. Anything outside their areas will -- didn't say I guess that must be okay. And say you get a situation where people would go along to get along. Yeah they don't want they don't need any trouble yeah exactly who who needs a rug of this and --"

" One day. How do you want -- 877469432. To your -- good sense of humor about this I would -- I think a lot of people or Indian you in academia. Would be very concerned if if they were. They would they were being the you know -- shunned by a rug appraisers."

" Yeah I think you're right there is a problem among academics and here's a great disappointment to me. Many years ago when I began meeting Nobel laureates. And realizing these people were afraid to say anything. They told you that in many cases but you know -- me just didn't want to stick their neck out on anything. And I think the reason is either very became hooked on adulation. And they did the last thing in the world Leo who wanted to do is jeopardize that yet. And I think this is one reason why the it is true academics educated people are much more vulnerable to listen. Ordinary working people who are not term -- Shouldn't they just live our lives we're just what do you they still got heating bill patient and I -- I thank you so please don't tell me about global warming could well you know anyone will say well that's whether that's local it's regional. But that's one of the crazy things for climate you know is regional. Then. Regional climate is different every place and varies differently in various a heck of a lot more than global. Locals are negligible part of what you perceive this climate so you know. When you showed this graph for as they all do of a few tenths of a degree change. It's like arguing about batting average is if you think about it you know people to argue about a batting average off by one point."

" Yeah that's a very negligible difference in the but I didn't think for refuge. Yeah -- it's 18774694322. We have full lines here -- talk of third there. Did do just happy to I think I think I know I am they're happy to hear from my as someone who's got. Academic credentials who couldn't sort of put this thing in in a different perspective. Hence don't we know it's not that were not dangerous just on the wrong foot. Look at it if Bob your next with Howie Carr and doctor Richard Winston and atmospheric scientist and MIT go ahead Bob."

" The president George good to have you back remember how -- we know manager at one time. I have a theory. And I believe we -- two years now into the next cooling trends. They give a couple of examples how he had -- aside an article about a week and a half ago. Someplace in Arizona had gone nov fourteen days in a row without going to borrow 400 degrees right and that's it was 1913. Yup and also Atlanta August. We -- the entire month well his -- productivity. And once again the last time that happened 1913. And that was a definite cooling travel to."

" Well you know. One of the things I have to say about. What is called global warming which is really two episodes and then from 19221940. And 1975. To about 1995. These are a few tenths of a degree. And the truth of the matter is you can perceive that. And the second thing is it doesn't need to cause that's something people have trouble with. And this sort of things. Is because the system in some ways is like a skyscraper. You don't build a skyscraper to be rigid to pass to wobble a little and a few tenths of -- degree is little and the climate is always changing without any forcing whatever I mean the ocean has long time scales and it wobbles. And so if no one had told you. That the global mean temperature anomaly with the vehicle has gone up or down or whatever you never know it. -- region would be behaving. Its own way tie in the southwest actually California had a warm spraying. There's always something going on. Our aid. Don't hold very much to the sunspot business but you know it's possible. And that's of course one thing you'll find among people who question global warming they rarely agree on the details of that there's no party line."

" Isn't it ironic that the you know this is this new technology enables us to obsessive about the about about the climate I mean there's a there's a good side obviously we don't -- sucker punch with a hurricane like in 1938 -- sneak up on you but the bad side is that you have these this obsession now with. With so called."

" Global warming ya I think it would help if people could -- graphs. I mean you know the newspapers. Do not help on this. -- they show let's say the stock Dow Jones right. If it goes up five points to graph looks exactly the same as though it went up a hundred points they just filled the page -- that rise. And most people just destined to go up or down. And for something like this sit mothers really as it does for the stock market it's a big difference -- goes up one point two or hundred or 200. And here it makes a difference is they go up a tenth of a degree or three degrees so five degrees so attend. But you know as long as you're dealing with politicians coming gore shows these graphs they often show the opposite of what he's saying in words but it doesn't matter."

" Al -- seems to have this he's -- he -- presents a moving target I mean hey -- she's always changing the definitions CC he's changing the -- some -- he -- you -- he does he says you know it's not it's not global warming it's climate change are -- it's well you know we're not talking about the the area where you -- global warming we're talking about the whole. Show you -- the north and the South -- that's the new argument I've gotten in -- from my."

" You know it's whatever you need to support it -- any given time. But the trouble with most of those things and then people should realize that you have to distinguish change from human causality. Changes universal. It's always happening. Identifying it is being due to people is very hard. And they always send it back to this UN report. And the UN report. Never talks about one of -- in the science volume about alarm. It says most of a few -- it was -- demand and as long as this assumption is correct. But the next year the same group is publishing papers saying that assumption was incorrect. -- are pathetic and so at the end of the day they haven't said anything. But you know UN vocal authority and that that's the crucial thing if you don't under the United's it's terrific to say or authority say this."

" And so I don't have to -- expert yeah. Thanks for the call Bob Jess you're next with Howie -- doctor Richard lynch and atmospheric scientist and global warming does -- higher pixel midnight today go ahead just."

" They -- got a question or what I think that at least half of America. Now understands that that's where we're being duped by -- what do we do. Due to changed to change the minds of the rest of the people who painted themselves. And it's such a corner. That they can't get out without losing all kinds of based and we just have. The moratorium and say okay on. And also -- it's all the good tires all all the believers can become big buyers and we won't we won't hold it against you."

" Yeah and that that's. Countries move forward I mean. People have invested so much and as I've said on other occasions. They've made this such kind of source of personal intelligence. Of virtue and -- The votes of kind of psychic power. That they can't give up on. I haven't thought -- a very much about your question how do you get people to get off that wagon and maintain their sense of virtue but it felt it --"

" Few more months like this and make good numbers will be these increasing even more by the way there is a web site there is a woman in Australia. -- and nova. And it's JO any and then he NO GA dot com dot -- U. And she has a very good thing here the skeptics handbook. On how to argue this issue. And yeah I don't agree with everything she writes but it's very sensible and it's a good start."

" Rise above the mudslinging in the global warming debate here strategies and tools you need to cut through the red herrings and avoid the traps a spokeswoman says there. The bottom line is simple don't fall for the complexity argument -- except vague answers all that's that's the Al Gore don't Al -- vague answers the climate is complex but the only thing that matters here is whether adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will make the world much warmer. That's us."

" I mean you know in other words were told there is a problem in the usual thing with politicians is do some -- And so they say while CO2 why not do so think about that and I guess somebody did a poll at a beach wants about spending. Hydrogen and -- hydrogen oxides. And thousands of people sides should finish."

" Management and water but -- Yeah thanks replays of the call -- 18774694322. We'll be right back with Richard -- may ya big global warming -- from MIT and -- car."

" It's a heat wave all right we're. There clearly are -- more suntan lotion on the way home I'm -- call. 18774694."

" 322. Where this is that doctor Richard Williamson he's an atmospheric scientist at MIT. And he is a he is a skeptic or is he called preferred to call himself a deny there."

" That they think that we could affect weather all that much is is is pretty arrogant of the mother nature so big the world is so big the but the ocean is so big I think we're gonna die from a lack of fresh water we're gonna die from ocean Pacific nation. Before we die from global warming for sure."

" Who's that Chad Myers who thinks yeah it's. But if -- thing is that we were talking during the break doctor live via. -- just wanted to show that would you wanna region a couple of these things here this is from this from the American thinker they just went back and indeed they looked at the New York Times and time magazine over the years. 1924. New -- H that's New York Times. 1933. American longest warm spell since 17761975. A major cooling widely considered to be inevitable 2005. Fewer reasons to relax about new warming same thing with a time to time magazine and you're back and forth between now global cooling global warming globe we have a hundred years worth the data not millions of here is that the world's been around. -- slow it's true -- foreign media earth."

" Is gone through some remarkable. Cycles of -- Most recently last 700000. Years we've kind ice agents and we're now in so called into glacial. Before about fifteen million years ago -- there were alligator like creditors since Pittsburgh in which is seniority. The system. There's always changed -- some rocks in my backyard some big rocks yes. I think there were delivered their -- glacier yes right oh yeah so a global global warming has been a plus and Massa passes compared to happening go a mile and a half of ice on your head. Yes yeah typically keep it. Well you've seen an inconvenient truth obviously what was your reaction when you first saw. Who -- to be honest but. There's a little bit more serious and and it was such an antithesis. Of scientific thinking. That -- realized that to sell that globally. Has a serious discourse. Went -- complete breakdown of 300 years of scientific culture. The thing you've you mention the break you saw that it at a church oh -- you know people were swooning. And then there was a direct person to lead the discussion. And the rule of the discussion was you can't question."

" Everybody just has to make a statement how much they believe yes son testified test. Yeah. That's different because if you. And then there's -- health and Al Gore's gonna lay as hands on you and Kerio pops and mutually support 187. As long as you pay enough."

" We call love -- and -- if you love those polar bears should not make your love offering an okay."

" Not just the reverend he's -- hope. -- the profit motive could it's done he's done well but it -- yes he has an equity 202000000. And eight years or."

" I mean you know have you ever seen his contract for this talk queries presents his power now. It's at least a 100000 dollars and presentation. And then there are rules he asked to fly first class to use enough carbon. -- No questions. No question no question."

" That seems to be recurring theme yes yes. Larry your Maxwell how we -- doctor Richard Winston and atmospheric scientist from MIT go ahead Larry."

" So the doctor Lipton. I'm also Abu copy current here -- is an MIT grad and he funded the Carl Gustav frosty award I'm sure your fuel you know us. And my question to use a fairly serious question. It doesn't surprise me that time and the New York Times are you in this little echo chamber because they have an agenda in the suits their agenda. My question is really when you get students. And this was on my -- mind when he founded this prize so which is so I would guess that most prestigious Wharton graduate meteorologist in the world. When you get students are they already convinced of this happy -- to enter the echo chamber and at what point. Does the interest in science seeks. Any interest in that being. Expect an acolytes. At this that the church of gore begins."

" Non -- that you asked a complicated question my impression of the students. Is there actually pretty open minded and skeptical. About the issue. But they have the issue of survival. And I think they're well aware. Bring -- here you have things like science magazine nature. Who have editorialized. And the specifically explicitly said. That they will not publish articles that questioned this. And so a lot of universities are saying they count papers and science and nature more than they do in the professional society journalist so."

" So students have the same fears about being ostracized that the Nobel -- world they have their careers took issue. With. Let's say it's scary if it -- know that they that there isn't that the that the Nobel laureate -- but rarely -- fleeced at least I think the students know. But the issue is questionable. But they also understand -- that there are other things. At stake."

" This prize that my -- took. Short -- when he did it wasn't you know billions of dollars he and I would be is that I'd be interest in finding out if he would be possible to put together a fund. To put together -- prize looking at the real science here because I think that this is having a prize in graduate school is a force multiplier it doesn't take that much money. But it -- species and it my change some minds that thirty years later remember what happened."

" Now I made. We should perhaps talk about that sometime how you do engineered that. I think -- be very difficult to Armenia have. MIT is an institution like any other institution. And these days. Princeton's. The president of MIT was talking about climate change accelerating. I gesture what was the basis for it she said you know authority. -- He showed her graphs that it didn't seem to be doing that but that doesn't have much impact. So I think in a world light to give an institution. To. Assiduously avoid the -- I think might be more difficult -- you think."

" Larry -- Lola thanks for Chrysler -- Larry 18774. William we will Levy is gonna hit -- does numbers so you could talk to him again. I know and at 18774694322. Dave you're next with Howie -- doctor Richard Levinson Obama's church scientists and MIT go ahead Dave."

" I always it's good that you -- brought -- that he was a good suggestion not. Yes he was a very good to -- day his lungs and other hardware for for years. I was -- guidance transcripts on the up transcript. The -- you know. That the by congress in. We you know into the Boston Globe did not. I squared we've got my cup unsure shouldn't. Yeah I think he will be yes on this stuff like -- yeah more than."

" I think so although we all -- in my opinion. Oh yeah I agree with you on that but I know -- well IIDs. New Michael Crichton and I realized. He didn't realize when he wrote that book what's -- he would get he says he's never gotten as much -- for writing that. And he actually the one is to -- out of that could who is sitting out there now."

" And he's doing if you would be bad -- that's superhero dad yeah. In -- Michael -- well look there I didn't like night."

" And Rifkind. A New York Times soon it was a cross between me and James --"

" This -- face without its affect a lot terrorized you know you're his contribution and -- you know love definitely up volume was. My biggest problem that's a good you know wide that there he -- is that firmly on the ground it doesn't sound like guess someone who's -- you know a lot. Just you know was commissioned polls so that's that's you know ultimately have a great thanks."

" Thanks for the thanks for the call today from 18774694322. What was good the first of these email soy knew would be coming in here okay. Dear sir your morons -- is addressed Leo. Climate changes happening the best scientific man mines in the world have collectively agreed. That the human races no no apostrophe the human races use of fossil fuels is having a negative effect on the global climate. The record breaking rain that we've been getting in Massachusetts should only -- help to reinforce. This principle. Let me explain since you seem to think that the current rainy cold weather is an indication that the scientific community is crazy and then it goes on from there. -- I mean are you sure it's a serious email. I think it is immune system best scientific minds. And not having a meg and then they they agreed that it's having a negative effect. You know wasn't negative and I know there are only negative effect this spelt correctly yes."

" Yeah I mean you know the notion that we were somehow. At some period I suppose it must've been about 1968. Had the ideal car this Nittany deviation from that would be detrimental. Is this sort of sad concept. Given the climate is always changing. But I think this guy is a good example of what I was saying I mean it must give him a great deal of pleasure. To call someone a moron when all his life he's probably felt he was a moron now he could call somebody else tomorrow on its. It's this far what I call the psychic benefit of the."

" Issue for switched my brother's -- was addressed -- you but I uses more addressed to me if if you're too proud or stupid to see this meaning global warming. You should -- some stupid especially sharp -- decoy because he begins by calling -- moron and he closes by calling me stupid I mean you're too stupid to be on the radio."

" Yeah well I think -- could be either of us but I noticed this. I mean I have something here from. The austere. Magazine chemical and -- it's something chemical engineering news or something. And the somebody writes to him saying I wish you had more balanced treatment. And the guy responds listen. When we talk about gravity to I have to call someone from the Flat Earth Society it. And that made him feel really good that he could say to someone they were -- authors write -- people need that. Fear of the school of the people."

" League looks like on your soul is like describing. People who disagree is the -- could have no basis on the usually use that phrase is a holocaust -- isolation -- inflammation with when not. Yeah and makes the other guy in to a not and that makes you feel better about yourself. -- you know -- in this as a society have to feel good about yourself."

" Let's see Bruce for Miramax's I wanted to ask the professor the last global warming 10000 years ago ended the ice age what caused that. It suggests -- global warming isn't such a bad thing NB a wasn't caused by man."

" Well that's absolutely true climate has been changing without -- and hundreds of millions of here isn't. Has all sorts of wonderful features I mean you may not realize is something I've been interest and in. Two and a half three billion years ago if these sun's output was 30% less than it is today. And yet the evidence is the oceans -- freeze over everything's was not so different in terms of temperature -- today. How come I can't blame it on anything and there -- move. Suvs. At the time to keep it warm. But. What can I say I mean do. You. Deal with change and that's it."

" Which called global warming a hoax."

" You know given that the climate is always warming or cooling back at some level it's not a hoax."

" C band party is when something is always occurring to get people excited about it each way that is a bit of a hoax."

" Thanks for the thanks for the call a day of 18774694322. -- Howie --"

" Sure -- and -- dog dirt. I wish."

" Doctor Lindsay here as wearing a best it's thermal -- Since July probably for the July that's a -- that's still -- What the hoopla big 7746943220. -- more time doctor but I you know death toll somebody indeed I read the story last week we know we passed this stupid I cap and trade bill. India the government of India media issues a statement take -- a great for the US but when I'm gonna go we don't give a boy it."

" Yeah well I mean it is -- very sensible about it I mean so -- trying to -- you know. You do it we're not going to we have other priorities. But -- the fascinating thing with India is they actually had a large study of climate. And in this study they concluded that climate change was not gonna be a problem for India. And so they didn't have to worry about it. Now the guy who endorsed this report from India was a guy called good -- railway economist who happens to be the head of the UN climate saying Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change he's the one who's telling us."

" The world is coming to and then. And we federal become vegetarians. But for India he thinks it's not going to be a problem but yeah fifteenth --"

" Al Gore could not be reached for comment is okay I'm going to our."