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" We feel better makes me feel worse and aloof from engineering and vibrate -- two guests -- last week on vacation was in the maritimes -- Nova Scotia -- think nothing but fog and mist and lot of fresh fish. He said he had never been darker three or four days of on. No broken some chops or even clouds -- change -- races today he's hand he's -- he's as happy as can be and now he comes back to this stuff so a guy who can maybe help us get through the -- America in the fog. Of what's going on right outside a studio don't -- listen via Blackberry -- kind of transition is that this guy's gonna shines a bright light is no -- on energy issues. -- the chairman of the energy committee barriers state reprimand of he'd been in the legislature about a dozen years -- so now and -- became chairman. And to speak into Leo with a big big. The big portfolio I guess I think of four dollars a gallon gasoline just lost some. And I read boat in offshore drilling in the Middle East and nation's dependence on a you've got this big portfolio how he approached so file what are you find to be the big opportunities to Massachusetts."

" Well I mean just following up we were seeing him as a country where 5% of the world's population -- 25% of all oil argues that's -- Alexander will -- however some of the world's economy and he -- Is that this is important this is important because as as a country. We have to change and we base -- netstat. Absolutely. How does that set of any significance because it we're worried we are not mean because you have China yet India that are catching up to us. And we can't continue to keep those numbers up."

" What it's what percent of the GDP of the world to have a private one of the largest so it might be that our use of our consumption of fossil fuels and energy in general is totally appropriate based on our GDP why do you throw a deceptive."

" Right you're serious about resolving if you been to China have you been to China have you ever gone outside for more than five or ten minutes to you know you'd like your -- here let's I don't and it and you don't know don't ever go -- what happens when you don't are not active with the environment. And you're not trying to reduce the carbon footprint."

" It's amazing now I'm just attacking this deceptive -- the continues scenario based is -- not deceptive because -- fact the issue of India and China each each by population four times bigger than the United States. And yes sacking static to suck down energy. In a less than environmentally responsible way I mean I take it right I think -- point is well -- point is okay and it is accurate as well of the GDP certainly drives up fuel consumption. But what you are saying about you correct library what you're saying is we're gonna do its product. We've got to do a better what's -- Massachusetts."

" Oh please I use the tricks that I'm okay but it's not tricks that it is accurate and I think everybody is -- judge -- And what does -- reveal to it reveals as a country we have to do Alaska's when you -- the hallway where the economy that drives the world they deserve invited me as you're abuse what we -- no -- and I think he's cute pair of westernized schedule westernized countries -- that's a prospect I guarantee you. The per person will use a lot more energy. Then country like in Europe there are if you want to make."

" The argument that we should be more fuel efficient I don't know anyone's going to argue with it there I just object to on this repetition of statistics that. Create an impact on people. That might not be realistic because it's not the important stat. How much we use based on the population. Is not relevant how much we just got our productivity as a media listen only you disagree with me that. We compared to other westernized country uses more energy than those -- we do there a lot of different reasons you know what you agree that we need to use less not because. I think everybody wish -- that about the wait a minute ago that we should -- we shaving -- I'm not because -- look you're a -- might be more fuel efficient they live in much smaller areas they have shorter drives they have better public transportation that was invested in -- nuclear long time they -- nuclear much more professional and read some literally goes."

" Good things that I mean you're lying on this for now but I think the things that we can do. I mean I'm gonna give -- a real life example that doesn't that really folks is like I have two daughters two young daughters every night. Four they go to that I -- on their night lights and they stay on all night. Would it be neat if they'll usually."

" You're hater I don't know that -- let me finish -- there is -- hey let's -- environment I -- not squander our our rob let me finish this economy that is just an elitist. And I don't think the American missile small but you don't think you don't even know what kind of like I -- I am I those fraud I have those little things that you put in your."

" You know in years into the night lights yeah so he be put them in right. At say 5 o'clock to sunrise is typically in normal around here doesn't directly with the clouds and stuff. But imagine if you -- program that to shut off at a certain time that's technologists coming down the politely but as their primary -- don't know much about the human environment but. Let's say that for example you leave your house you forget to get turn off a light. You get email or you get taxes that you left that light on you could turn off from your phone. This is on the stuff then stars do right now the smart trade. So just the way won't let itself will be -- wreck and the key thing is that they're the most of the best way to go at this from is by conservation. And I think that's that's where I think we ought to be folks now all I was so focused on how many ministries and cellphones off our peak hours peak hours. The thing about our electricity bills normally think about we get we pay at -- we don't think about when restarting thank as -- gets marksman like. And that's that's where technology's going to go I think that's we're gonna privacy debate is saving."

" I think everybody -- yeah that's I just I just want the conversations to be about the stuff we know. And there are real reasons why we should cut back on our consumption fuels we shouldn't squander any thing. Right and we certainly shouldn't be treating lightly the idea that we fight wars to protect world supplies of oil -- such. So that's I just want the truth to be told people not cute little lines that are deceptive."

" To unsettled and I don't wanna do let's let's as various specific threat cape wind threat what's going on there what you what are your thoughts which you -- opinion on it. And why the heck talk on why we still talking about a seven yeah I mean that the amazing thing about."

" Cape wind is that when T Nguyen is is fully. Going to can be used to power all the Kate. 100% renewable energy. He is to take -- eight years. The count from one court to another court. And what we're looking to do is to have a win siting bill that would basically have a siting board that you know you have your local. You know boards take a look at it then if you want to appeal to one board deciding board. Then that's where would go but right now it's -- way too long it's too expensive. And you know we've compared the rest of states we -- part -- the toughest loss to build put wind up and I think we as as a stay we have to change that."

" We if if these are really a liberal hypocrisy on the state though that's a tough thing to extricate. In other big global warming proponents don't want cape wind I'm figure that out yeah."

" Well I mean -- there you know there are some people that that don't want to put -- I I believe majority people do want a country took a very aggressive stand -- and and in his campaigns and -- him a bit let me ask you question her to a 3COM it is and -- sometimes you don't have that breeze -- on the -- What do the people on the cape for the PL who would be in -- so this going to be part of our agreed supply what do you do in those well I think one of the --"

" They key technologies and accompany. Near me beacon power the they're basically building batteries for -- one thing we have to do better is we have to be at the store energy better. For days like that and that's on the technology it's also being developed. That we need to have these types of batteries out there like almost a large battery that can store this so we have those days. That there is not a lot of wind that you know you consume power the power the bridge. You know there is -- enough win that goes to the midwest every day that we get -- power all the United States so that. Detect I mean that did did the resource is there it just the technology has to catch up with it and at the same time."

" Now we has ever going to happen does win have a potential. To be glad I mean I always it always going to be frames as part of a puzzle well I think it's really."

" Our you know our martyr and he rates the moon you know whether it's bio mass whether it's solar whether it's win I think it's going to be a combination of all of them. And I -- a long while before we actually totally do away with the coal fired plants but. I think it's gonna be combination of all of them and you know whoever gets -- the quickest rate you know it."

" Yeah I think it's important and know what's motivating us other than just being practical. Because I think what you eat it sounds like you in and your breath turn are pushing for his spending money costing us huge amount of money in order. To save the planet and I don't personally by the save the planet argument in terms of the global warming thing I've by the national security requirement I think we've got a compelling national security need. To to become more fuel fishing get off the foreign oil so we can say goodbye to the Middle East and let them do their."

" The thing about that is is that we if you can listen to NASA that I get and our national security angry -- if you're wrong. We have big -- if I'm wrong were okay on the global warming on par. No you could totally screw us up -- because you want to mess around with the economy you want to create huge economic offensive that that's another -- this is -- you on the biggest job creators. Going the mausoleum less than a bad investment clean tech what -- last year scientists decide knoller right in the seventy's it's actually global colon. And then everything you've done was misguided don't but at the same time which -- you're converting -- converting to win the nation can't lose -- tomorrow Hillary -- and has to be. 'cause I know have a pony -- if he is the underlying premise for what you're doing is not built on the right thing venue so risky exploit well. -- I was -- I'm usually doing exclude the other yet you say foreign our foreign Alltel -- about -- because the nature because national I think national securities and compelling need that would mean. We dig for oil and while we have an immediate hang -- up and we immediately start moving because we've got huge reserves -- natural gas we should be trying to switch our power plants over and natural gas that we can get domestically. To help get off of foreign -- so I'll put it get -- parallels foreign security -- national security jumble of Antonio and I'm already answered their questions are you doing a different set of goals and is an economic opportunity. I -- also drives and environmental advantage for all about people as well why does one excluding about I just explained to see your ass in question after the end right. Why is reducing -- means that if you're saying that's bad. It costs its benefits not the highest harder goal and it's being sold -- the highest priority. If for reducing carbon might be wonderful except they might have no impact on anything. Therefore why would you want to be chasing your tail on the wrong thing."

" But this is also about other things as well it's about the fact that masters has one of the highest for a price for electricity we recent Los breyer's ice cream. -- hottest state and we have to find newer cheaper. Alternatives where we're going to -- Drilling U -- your own question it's not drilling its natural gas but there's other forms out there whether it's wind solar that we can you know fine."

" I'm saying let's embrace all let's embrace nuclear our good friends the French let's send John Kerry -- France bring back some nuclear reactors. Good alternative."

" Well I think you say no because -- I don't know what they know but I think you have to find a you know the spent fuel -- yet to find a a good source for them and -- do you know what the French Stewart The Who what what I believe I believe I believe it's casting these cast -- take things they put -- just -- the container you know that contained in some way shape before. Let me -- and Missouri."

" But do that what are the economic opportunities that come with this -- kind of a new green renewable energy sustainable energy day. And we should definitely take some calls we will take some calls six point 72666868. To its artistic represented a very Feingold he's guest. Last question will go to the call -- So what's going on here in Massachusetts where we might captioned hot of this. New economy --"

" Army militia the other company. You know my backyard next stand to basically put in solar panels I mean that is just something that is driving every company right in Watertown a 123 that's working on. Electric strategy of beacon power that's doing this is basically battery for when you know -- energy -- outer yes so there are so many great things happy right now. And you know we have MIT we have -- a lot of the good ideas are coming out of there -- so it's. -- it's it's a it's a really I think a win win for the state and what the we have one of the highest round cost electricity innings driving businesses out. And at the -- but even talk about we also saw a lot of power outages that cost. -- in the United States 150 billion dollars a year so we have a group this not that reliable. On it in some sense and so there's so many innovative ways not a help business to reduce costs and to. Help the environment which and helped NASA security so."

" We always tell people want to talk to 6172666860. McCain and Obama each each essentially said what you just said -- I mean the tools so he's just surrounded his average on how the hell have the -- presidential candidate each would genuinely excited about the opportunity for foreign security perspective as well as. Environmental and economic opportunity. I think your in the privacy terrier NWR -- representative Barry Feingold hi Jerry."

" I do more thoroughly good Jerry what's going on what you know I -- I can't actually let it went into our -- I'll I'm EK went sites such you know help -- and change our. People never. Recognize. It derogatory effect they are. Burgeoning we know and -- repeat. Order all of our our way. You're not -- We ought to improve our batteries structures so we can start store more electricity for the -- times the -- up all right. And not going to be small they're gonna come derogatory effects are always end. JI mentally so he's you'd. Giving up six to get trapped or else he's talking about it the nuclear fuel -- were perfect -- Nuclear -- yeah that's obviously an issue but again we -- battery degradation and and what happens. We get proper example that's an eyebrow at. This year that's dealt with right now -- replacement batteries. Yeah except what you do know what a Prius battery that's -- side --"

" I'll let let let's let's let's give very -- I read -- let's let's talk about I mean the you know when they first started talking about came when they said it would be a Cuisinart he'd be very. You know derogatory to the to the you know that the scenery. Most days you can even see it and in this is in some that's been going on it and you know in in Denmark and other countries. So I don't think it's gonna be as such a negative eyesore but."

" he would do those -- calculations for example has anyone calculated the detrimental impact to the environment of a discarded battery if there are discarded out of of a hybrid vehicle. Where is that ignored out of the lost for doing something that seems like it's good for global warming."

" I think -- it without technology will catch up and I'll be re use those batteries so so we don't know right now how destructive it is to the environment not as as what I understand that there is technology out there that's going to be out there we use of these 26172666. Seats assume we're talking energy with Barry Feingold 680 WRKO."

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" Right he he even in Saudi Arabia they're they're doing wind farms are looking at this that they understand that this is the technology of the future as well so. I as a as a before it's erase the moon might be solar MIP wind might be fuel cells might be biomass but. We have to change the way we do things in this country."

" Let's go to Wayne hey Wayne you're on the Iowa State representative Barry Feingold Todd Feinberg and -- Tom -- good morning."

" I killed affected cyclical. You know every time. There's an issue of dashboard and nationalist -- and the economy here terrorism or whatever that -- the fifteen minute news of the day. Topic okay you know he's. President of conferences and all -- and everything -- going to discuss away as is gas now climbing to read all the Gallup. If every car in America that's fifty miles a gallon tomorrow. We still -- away from. You know listening if not eliminated I depend on the oil why are we going to Canada -- Mexico and Venezuela Saudi Arabia why don't we got to drill here and not getting away from it."

" Trillium trillium drill now you've seen this bumper stickers berry why not much much more than bumper sticker it's an obvious solution might -- unreasonably ignored because of the confused goals here yeah I."

" I think you know what I think that's some that's that's still out there as as a possibility that as an I would just you know thank -- quotes on my colleagues that. I don't think we can drill our -- this this -- I -- think we have to find alternative energies."

" I do well in there the trouble with that cliche is there is no one thing what we have to do is put together an amalgam of a strategies. That can all contribute somewhat so if you switch -- over two two natural gas for example that runs what a third or some substantial amount. Batter in allotted for ways including on warming gases if there is such a thing. And you'd you'd put it all together so obviously drilling is one of those things and so it's it's a toss it away with a line like that I think is Kissinger right."

" I think what we do in this state what can we do to change this this game and I think it is. Folks announces solar it is folks in on -- it is focusing on on on fuel cells. It is focusing on biomass we have companies in the state that are doing these things home but I think to be game -- it's now if we're outside a Florida -- outside attack as we might be talking about drilling -- Here in this state. I think as we have the folks on the things that get us to where need to be the next 1023."

" There's -- the the easiest thing we can do right off the -- is conserving -- shouldn't all the efforts the -- that the majority the efforts right now I'm focused I'm not because that's a return on investment for everybody does know --"

" I think that has to be there are some amazing technologies that's going on LED -- that -- basically to you know cut down your electricity costs by my 90% so there's amazing stuff that's going on right now in conservation seat your your point attacks and that yes. Conservation should be at the top we also to focus on other. Ways of of because we're never gonna -- was Z zero."

" focus on those things and heaven not the artificial Heidi you a while the marketplace to percolate up something that's viable --"

" I think if you give consumers like what ends Thursday was smart meters if you give them incentives say hey. You know if you if you decide to not use as much electricity you're gonna see saving tonight can see that are here Bill Powell you're saving money having to give the consumer's incentive."

" Like how are you want any any. My favorite got -- air -- on onions behind the World -- With two outs now it's three -- right -- and weaponry and of."

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" The question very it would be representative. On the wind is concerned my understanding is the battery issues obviously do. I'm about 70%. Of the energy generated these wind turbines. I'm is locked in Trenton and it's a highly inefficient method of producing energy."

" Meaning going a few miles over the wire."

" Idea they can't do it and the problem is in the end it will all he's talking about we could generate are provoke -- less. While the little matter up that's their bread basket how much are -- actually do entail. Our second point -- In into the record in favor of the current cap and trade legislation. Army in data while I think Ed Markey got promoting it."

" Let's -- it -- all of you hit them are all of -- I only I think -- that I transmission in general is a challenge anywhere that you are is that true you lose that much at the end of yeah when you put it into a cable I don't know the these -- You know how much is lost but I what I do know is that transmission is challenging transmission is challenging when you deal deal of biomass you do most of these other types of electricity in general it's somebody discreet as somewhat inefficient to some as yet too much so thank you can't transmit as much you light transit. Hasn't thank you do not cute new doctor as much as you want to certain place. However technology is going to get us there. And that we are still on the infant stages a lot of these technologies and I'm convinced that we'll get them there I think as far as the question about cap and trade. I do think there has to be some type of a reward for people that are trying to save -- and that the penalties that for those who are not. You know getting read recent carbon footprint so. I do think that the legislation does have a lot 04 raising the costs of electricity with a new -- I think I'm for a long term reduce the cost of electricity and the same time reducing our carbon footprint."

" Mike you're on W marquis a very Feingold is here from the house on the hill the one you'll love so much time like."

" Good morning government. I think well humans don't Clark global warming is no perfect. There's there's not one I -- They're -- cutting measurable global warming with with -- the total why. -- the temperature tactical accountable for the last ten years."

" Let me take for granted here -- your assertion here Mike what should we be then doing about four dollars a gallon gasoline and a very unstable. It's a group of us suppliers --"

" Look at look at Denmark they cut 17% of their capacities and wind power yup. They have been decommissioned one fossil fuels are yet okay they have backup they're that they need to back yeah every time."

" It was the -- let's say they used to win. 50% of the time I won't go ahead -- it is it is --"

" It's not so and it happens so much money put some more money or a book about it and because in the vacant for biofuels could have -- the world. You can't put full appeals where it will fool you can pull one over under a tree. Okay so it's a solar bogus. I think -- Dianne -- the letter would let Falconer even Gordon about having stepped advocates on -- had to be. In danger."

" And in all the turtles who come first -- Hop hop hop and I don't think she speaks for Barry Feingold voted and even bury you hit the skepticism skepticism across the border just says they. Oil is the most efficient fuel we have why we timid about."

" I think you know we can talk about the environment thing all day but you know the fact that we import about 6% of our oil from the most perfect countries that we had issues with over the last forty years. Why do you want to eighteen to do that."

" And don't want to drill here early money is natural gas we use solar wind whatever will likely cost effective I don't know that."

" That is what the long term goal is and the long term goal is to find alternatives to importing oil from countries -- most are we've not had a good relation with. And once again I go back with taught in the same with this call was saying is that. You know if if people that are critical of global warming are wrong. Then we have a big problem if people like Al Gore and others are are are wrong then it's okay. Tom we -- toward what's that it's okay -- new bureau is okay for them to be wrong but it's not okay for those saying this is not a promise to be rock is 3040 years from now. When if if -- you're seeing is going to happen happens."

" That's a very weak argument you gotta have a stronger one. I think it's a darn good argument -- and having the wrong agenda based on a false premise is not a good strategy here at -- dividends. Some other session when it aligned we are what are really giant this their -- global warming is a prom. I can -- used to -- got sadistic. --"

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