The Second Republic

" YouTube. As. Radio listeners of our car show -- no one of our. Affiliates is WV imitate him moaning in Burlington Vermont. And there -- interest and in Vermont the issues and you may not know this but there is a secession movement going on in most in Vermont it's called the second Vermont republic. Movement. And the the movement. And it's so organizers would like to see Vermont go back to its status as an independent Republicans who was between 17671791. Joining us now is -- Naylor. Who was the founder of the second Vermont republic movement. Thomas thanks for being with us here on how -- car show. -- What's the how much should support do you have fur -- the Vermont secession movement."

" Well about a year ago home the University of Vermont does an annual survey their World Series support but. I don't know for the last two or three years we've asked Leo the big desk questions. I don't know route between eleven and -- and 12% of the registered voters. Supports secession. Which -- think that's about 60000. People. But are related go figure is. The sanctuary risk. Do you think the US government has lost its moral authority that figure was 77%."

" 77%. Are diagnosed I was going to be a transcript of your -- one the Fox News Channel. And you were saying people -- more angry at George W. Bush but now wonder Obama with the economic meltdown there's genuine fear. I typed I think I agree with you about that. People are right now what's happening here."

" Do you zooming by Obama of course is the challenge for us because. -- Vermont coach -- Obama advocates a second biggest. You know majority about two thirds vote vote he got about two thirds of the voted. Many liberal Vermont does she social political problems represented the second coming of Jesus Christ has been truly walks on water. But the more time off. We don't -- Obama. He looks more employed George W. Bush and convert. But as well -- to put it is no -- questions. What what do Obama on bush show him. And and Bill Clinton have in common and that's an applicant is that there world class textbook fashion --"

" Techno fascist let's that strong language."

" I think that's what it's really all about me some of the right wing you know talk show host. Like Columbo order Raleigh and and even Oakland back accuse saw. Accusing Obama of being a socialist and heartache is -- Obama is not only not a socialist he's not even liberal he is -- no fascists."

" Why would you how would you go about succeeding from the union I thought this whole question was settled by the civil war. You know we're talking more about South Carolina today South Carolina was the state where where they first tried to secede from the union and it. Didn't really work out that well form."

" Oh boy it's -- you -- trust constitutionality. Process for constitutionality. Okay well basically I've taken some employment problems as good 250 years ago. You're only gonna really -- the number on Americans to convert spokespeople that. Because secession is illegal unconstitutional. And you know and tomorrow in which we -- but nothing could be further from the truth put. Constitutionally there's three. Quick arguments one is to implement mark. Which basically because of the constitution. There's not a -- something is left of steroids. And -- is not mentioned in the constitution and so implicitly. But the statement and the world would waltz who can decide to split. Second argument is that dumb when the original thirteen colonies came in back in the room. The room and in some respects. The -- well. Rhode Island that new York and Virginia -- All 300 -- close to winning tickets split. They don't want to -- it -- its old story can can split what about -- afforded some kind of impossible. And a third you know -- thirty argument. There's even before it was so warm up about 1213 states that nullified the constitution means that they had. So thanks but no thanks to some specific piece of legislation -- and Vermont nullified the future and slave act well you know safe can Willy Nilly no taught the constitution of you can try to do anything you all those those of us through your home so we can learn an argument."

" I mean suppose shoots portion. Why you'd be you'd be dealing with an electorate that would be electing a Bernie Sanders would probably be the president of the independent republic of."

" I'd even proposed. Almost no reason to -- convention kind of kind of tongue in cheek because. I mean the problem is you know Bernie Sanders and his followers saw. I mean that there are essentially American loyalist. They've built these 21 century equivalent of the British Tories. Bakken 1776. The problem with vandalism and the left wing Democrats of progresses in Vermont. Is that they know in their heart of hearts. That only the federal government can solve all of our problems and failing to realize the federal government is the problem. Because it's owned operated and controlled by --"

" corporate America. You try to sell if you tried to two runs in the legislature to get your views across all right old Toronto look how old Leo it's too early to America does stuff fall. The -- you Tom."

" But somebody through your soul and you know I am home. Well a flat -- anyone who's not fortunate enough to be born in -- and Vermont is considered a flannel and."

" A little birdie the slab under all of the please -- outlander I believe me. If you -- absolutely strong markets from Brooklyn. -- but I mean there's our top priority is trying to get people ought to spend it in the legislature we've got a handful of votes. You and it's no cost its support is you -- not people will stand up could be counted on this this issue of a fantastic show little bit worse."

" Well I think we're on the going down that trail for you want from want to revert to its status as an independent Republicans who was between 1767. And 1791 we got a few callers for you -- want to talk to you talk about this. 187746943. Two to George your next with Howie Carr and Tom -- the founder of the second Vermont republic movement go ahead George."

" Are there is another state they can vote on its own. State vote you know that is. Another one non. I'm not quite like sure what you are asking me there as a state that came into the union as an independent country to success. That is correct. And I'm sure the people taxes would love to let the people -- moved to Canada. All good -- a little bit different Stallman really tax issues to be part of Mexico. -- Vermont is really the only state economy embedded itself on was not part of so Monica."

" Site George Texas is already try to secede once and back during the the civil war and didn't work out too well that a."

" The group they talked about there is a big group the Texas which doesn't believe I'm not part of that's wanted to succeed from the United States for years in southwest -- around march."

" Yeah -- they EI EI think a governor Perry has talked about secession to find --"

" He's actually on the Glenn Beck show on last night coup leader of the Texas nationalist movement which is. Driving group saw. That there are very active -- that they're they're one of the of the principles of what should go to Larry states now who have secession is."

" Thirty states while I -- Mario."

" But members have been around."

" Well that's why don't -- try -- Alaska independence party they tried to what tar Ross Sarah -- with being a member of that party wasn't true with video they put it out their during the run."

" hospital as a memorial we have close relations with the Alaskan party girls could there have. Leader's comments speak about convergence."

" Thanks for the call George -- you're next with how we current Thomas Miller the founder of the second Vermont republic movement go ahead Joey."

" Budget they're my friend fighting for I don't -- what seems to be a lot because some time to appear. I'm from Vermont. I called my representatives. Lol poll I've I've got to get an up front pat Leahy Bernie Sanders those guys are so far out there. And plus there there incumbency. Is -- Overpowering. Lately -- light heard lately that -- her up here and you know they're they're just so ensconced in their power. That they're good they're unable to be unseeded. Because of the Billy Bulger fact that they have -- everybody you know we hit this. It's self taught self you're right it is a grassroots effort the Republican Party end. Some were like Bernie Sanders why is thirty years ago the Republican Party in Vermont is just like."

" That we have a governor though in the lieutenant governor right."

" And heard the governor this year. Is so lame -- they have taken our of the Senate and house. The gay rights issue they vetoed he vetoed that they overrode him the other issues that they did was speaks tax and spend. And they were. Where the second coming of Massachusetts. Some talent yeah."

" Thomas Bjorn Thomas are you a Democrat or Republican we're never -- there. You used to be a liberal Democrat -- right."

" For about twenty years -- very good slick -- pushed me over the break him early nineties. Thanks thanks. Yeah -- thanks to our fourth of July parades and Montpelier and more -- On Friday in this Saturday the --"

" Yeah there haven't had tea party in Burlington the only problem as. It's been a progressive city of Burlington they charged eight dollars to get in the park where there haven't -- that each party --"

" The only problem with the tea party whose implicit in the argument is that the Leo. But the system is fixable and we reject we don't we don't think the US government is flexible we think it's lost its moral authority. It's you know if it is owned by Wall Street and corporate America where's the incentive to it changes thank you very like it's just the way it is."

" Thank you thanks for the call Joey Bob your next with Howie -- and Thomas -- he's the founder of the second Vermont republic movement he wants the the big green Mountain State to secede from the union. Go ahead Bob."

" Big thank you my call thank you. They are -- or just watch the Mets and that does effort and David. They had him in jail for quite some time trying to decide I'll start Simitis credible called me the last year. They are -- most civil war and so when he died. -- All of our argument both things because they determined that they would lose because that was -- deeply."

" Since selling a book you want to read Thomas. -- What's -- and again Bob."

" It's called lead a -- Years and it Terry saw them from -- about -- all when he died you the president Milwaukee in college and Virginia. And god it's it's got this it was that the president beta now they decided Molitor that's part of anything but won't -- and got. It was very intimate things."

" Thanks thanks to call Bob we are pleased last -- 18774694322. John your next with Howie Carr and Thomas Miller the head of the second Vermont republic movement go ahead --"

" Hey guys I don't -- be an army. What you're else -- some balls are the people who are already figured those Social Security -- and would that become. -- go all once you."

" I'll always you're actually talking about me and some. Recipient of social maturity the people who are who are receiving the benefits. There's really no problem on them you you know blessed with the government totally goes under and cannot meet its just obligations to. Contractual obligations to Social Security recipients. There obliged to pay my benefits world and Vermont Saudi Arabia. -- to us or Russia. Below where it gets tricky you courses. You know the future for the people who are still paying again. The state will have to pick up picked up amendment. You know Medicare is another problem because really they don't pay for benefits outside the United States so. Vermont would have it has its own bills."

" So what happen. Thomas you know there there have been communities. Along the New Hampshire border that are somewhat more conservative then then the rest of Vermont and they've tried they have thought then considered -- receding from the state of Vermont. To join in the state of New Hampshire now how would that how would the independent republic of Vermont handle secession. Attempts by eight by -- parts of the state."

" Well you're you're -- you're talking about killing -- and the town of Killington ski resort limits so attack. Tax policies. I mean our our position is certainly believe this sort of the right -- is this fundamental and so we will be hypocrites if we argued exempt it's. Well quite honestly I think we have a better chance of pulling it off than they do --"

" Thanks looking like everybody -- I can only say we're going to -- one yeah quickly just quickly how likely you are I would I would I would rather wish I was. -- that you put more benefits it's -- it's truly are. State national product in and out instead of trying it was received the work was caused."

" Thanks for the call John. Scott you're next with Howie Carr and Thomas Miller founder of the second Vermont republic movement go ahead Scott."

" Good afternoon mr. Lockhart listen Leo I want to ask a question mr. -- western Massachusetts gets fields. North Adams basically ignored by eastern Massachusetts. -- in at the state and people think from Boston to new and become what we ask you this what would you say to the people of western Massachusetts like police have been ignored. Shunned by Beacon Hill. What would you say to encourage them about. Succeeding and -- for -- the -- what's called western western applicants like West Virginia. What would not -- solitary outside right all reminded just you know we have a lot of supporters in -- in the -- in the western part of Massachusetts."

" The want to join you remained. -- contribute to our Shia holy drizzle they do want to they is so -- show you'd take that's. You take Berkshire County on the on the waiver wire from a Massachusetts."

" You know I mean one of -- candidate who's who's. Always is so that we came up with dog. New Hampshire Maine and Atlantic provinces. And create whole country the size of telemarketing call it -- would be delighted to have western Massachusetts. -- just."

" Article would be bigger than Denmark even if you had mean I populate our population wise -- he had turned out of area and a lot of be a lot larger. Thanks for the call Scott Brian you're next with Howie Carr and Thomas Miller founder of the second for modern republic movement go ahead Brian."

" Yeah I Alley. -- and I got a letter from lady -- good site called up the bad the GAAP tax. And that's the thing is deadlocked. You know you like the bad you know if they were clean air act in all -- kindness that. But then get down to is that they're coated then they get on there and and affectionate he put in to prevent this from happening right. Now is much is you know let you -- the people of America."

" In the farms of them unique and very standard being together. I'm really -- that they're not gonna be a far left in Vermont okay he has this you know --"

" All of Kuwait he's you can have any kind of -- you walk left rights that are coming particularly like Salem. Military affairs you know he's the dog he's the Hulk who do good. He announces move move military contracts. You can have any kind of light either you walk yet but this guy ET -- then drag and he and I got a letter."

" And are -- talking about the -- for a tax rate."

" Well yes you know it's another elegant date but I go ahead -- A neat. -- are still talking like 75. I wanted for a -- scouts and twenty dollars in -- for a -- this -- Condit. You know an angle you know what's gonna do with this thing is you know let these guys you know I'm not a -- I grew up and we look the other revenue appoint you as. I I'm -- farms drop off left and right. I don't know the -- loyal to -- are not Vermont. Good enough mine -- elected thing then I don't understand why would not vote this guy out."

" Thanks thanks for the call Brian Dave one more call and will let Thomas -- though is the founder of the second Vermont republic movement go ahead Dave."

" I know what order they were about budding talent to its feet. Because they try to call forty guys and it ex -- stone -- but Khalil who acted here revolution -- this. Is that they try to get that can -- do after they've succeeded. -- know I'll bet you got. Out."

" Are you so are you saying Vermont couldn't cut it on its own day -- what you tell me. I'm leopard I met I -- I mean trouble -- But they're gonna have a big say you know it's going to extend all the way to was to the Atlantic time zone of -- Thomas gets his way here. Thanks for the call Dave Thomas thanks for being with us where should people go if they want -- war you get more information on your movement."

" 20 Vermont republic dot -- thanks for having me -- another friend in New Hampshire and so is secession has become fashionably help. And -- also. Support his assertions."

" Well listen thanks for Mayweather said we've got a link on our website she's got to go to Howie -- dot com and you cannot click right on the link thanks for being with us Thomas -- Bob I would. 18774694322. On how we."