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" 8774694322187746943. 22. That's the toll free number of the Howie -- show. We're joined for this segment by the author of the very very entertaining new book the man once. And it's it's about the the gallows. Of not not Ernest and Julio Gallo the other Gallo Brothers. These for these are mafia Brothers from mob Brooklyn. And they were around in the fifties in the sixties in the seventies and the crazy Joe is the most famous of the end of -- Gallo Brothers who was slain at the I'm burnt toast clam house one of the more famous. Organized crime hits. In in New York City. And -- this now is the author of the book about the the Gallo Brothers especially crazy Joe what harmful some. And that Tom thanks for being with us here on -- car show."

" Yeah I think -- go figure out."

" It's it's a -- it's a very very well written book and it's quite quite entertaining you know some of the sometimes mob books get sort of bogged down in Faxon you know when you're -- from cop perspective sometimes they're. -- you know you do -- reading page after page about stuff like who's gonna make the announcement at the press conference none of that stuff in your book cut -- it's it's. It's just a solid reading but closed for people who are familiar with the the gallows. It'd be you know it's been awhile now since they've been in the headlines. What did you do what did you tell all about. Crazy Joe's appearance before. Bobby Kennedy's. Or -- brought racketeering senate committee where he was in a back in the fifties."

" Yeah I talk about where is his national television debut. You know -- you don't want you guys wear -- growth are on view movies you know -- he was watching. TV I medium can be you don't like the little guy is about."

" Richard and mark Dewey was did what he -- Richard would -- village."

" He he had a -- have you thought about nineteen years old the young up and coming hoodlum and he's looking for her direction and of life and there are enough on the floor -- as Richard win mark -- Elizabeth don't get the death. And Richard will mark plays this you know if he looks just like -- going to be a blonde hair slicked back do you really kind of wiry guy. And you know Richard this giggling you know psychopathic killer named Tommy you know. You know if one of things that you don't to take an old lady decided to wield great dumpster down the steps -- notice Google got the job so -- you don't look at this guy -- you know this is well want to deal could be -- little -- get a -- have a get a -- puppy."

" So he so he gets he gets all bumpy of these shaken down. Owners of juke boxes and so he he comes into the day comes in to the attention. Of the McClellan committee and the chief counsel for the McClellan committee is not rather then now Bobby Kennedy."

" Well I then I think clearly right about his. -- broke the enemy would then you can only had a fascination with gangsters."

" There -- obvious reasons."

" Yes it's yes -- tell you -- the -- you know we -- the ball on the -- the blonde walked the mile system. -- or gal walks into -- our businesses kind of the pregame note how warm up before you go for the big show -- the McClellan committee and a good -- showed up appreciate your credit you know -- like Tommy Euro was -- which is the white tie and black shirt. Black. -- you know again these views these oversized sunglasses so you have. It can only put the -- until you know you you field before the you know the property today you know give his big break covered her craft game. No it goes against what you know through loopholes. The court opens so you know the German enigma code committee called new -- this Bluetooth adapter now -- to defend his -- heard this testimony from this outlook jukebox. You know distributor outta the Gallup more than just in the big shakedown period on the golf story about how -- Gallagher and the you know."

" There can certainly tell our and I told him to show up where they -- about you know -- one around them or something yes so is so then Joey gets -- just that he does that he does the usual thing he takes the Fifth Amendment about 500 times right."

" You know you almost see maybe a bit -- totally getting you are quite soon be intelligent camera -- you do you want to make sure they they kept the mole on the states. Just give them -- right angle heroes plays the fifth. Is gangster does that tells us."

" We're retired at talks also among the author of the new book the mad ones and it's about the the Gallo Brothers now they the do you think -- right -- you know there's no literally. Didn't. No one we have this stuff for sure now do you do you think that. That they -- that that Joey Gallo was one of the guys who killed by Albert Anastasia and you in the barber shop in 1957. Are not."

" Well okay this story and you know the good it's probably the most infamous of the twentieth century you know -- I would have stayed in the head of murder thank you gunned down on and on departure -- a barbershop is that the famous photo of a detective looking over the body on the floor. We know with the with how old kind of you know draped over him. -- so you know you have to picture this think -- we India and so. You know I think Joey -- It definitely -- Joey demo -- go to Kelly guided midtown barbershop you know mid Davidson you know. That looked spectacular Hollywood ahead and so you know it's been like for -- Brothers they got the credit but I have to weathered a bit different than us you know."

" Oh he was involved in all these when he claimed credit very might ahead creditors and you know -- he wasn't all he when he was killed himself he was it was an amazing Hollywood type hit. But you know lady as you point out in the Barak. Then it I think the detectives made this point when they were trying to turn people against the gallows. The gallows unlike so many the other gangsters -- we read about things they never had two Nickels to rub together in the day."

" didn't if you -- that they are. I don't think he wants an awful lot of bracket it or not they were not good earners as they say were they --"

" No I think it was going to look that big will the reason whether revolted when the other old mantra Fazio they call them up his just due to the olive oil king of that the papers all the new video. -- profiled you've been -- to provide you found the dawn. In the dom was taking. Taking it a few too many nickel I think in the jukebox for activities he's yellow board decided you know we're not gonna take it anymore and so rather new it's -- bide their time like you could be the -- the corporation on the -- preparing now you're talking with a 1950s did it in their head today. You know bits is like a couple of guys in the mailroom then you know we're not going to wait around it it -- you brought them directorate we're gonna do is kidnapped and CEO directly -- which is what they've but the -- or does."

" So these these this is the in this by the way in case you're wondering that whether what they're sure what their famous for. One of the things they did was say they started this game more and it was written about by Jimmy Breslin the gang that couldn't shoot straight although I had to have to say your book is funny and has market your book is nonfiction. It and that they they have they kidnapped all these guys in the end but they've made the mistake got Tom -- them --"

" Welcome back -- the biggest mistake if you go if you try to king you know you did you gotta kill a man. -- went after the Don and you know they got the indicated that it can't vote to get that kidnapping the brother but they didn't get the -- and other than that -- this book together for about point. -- do so well maybe wouldn't let him go and -- by tumble -- I got of course it didn't happen out there."

" You know they this business gang war going on and they got their street made in Brooklyn president street Vegas is is based only they got it does CO buffet and then it. I can't believe all these pictures from life magazine you've got some -- in the -- that they they basically let in these photo cruise. Two was to it to make a what amounts to -- a photo documentary of their of the gang war."

" Yeah -- CM -- very -- had an embarrassment to deprive them. -- like -- again -- he knows he's blind quote pretty he's tried to stay out of public kind of the other foot mark mobsters stead because they need this the more you're in a public private more than Vick cops want to get Q -- life magazine investor --"

" Yeah they're all walking around with these suits like these should be everybody -- like dressed up -- sweat suits like they -- and now they all got these little -- hats off."

" yes okay there's nothing other obtain uranium that Russia has. -- for the over the gangsters be eligible for a gas -- log in the -- this who's."

" So -- goals are with the desperate for people who don't understand if you want to give -- any questions about the gallows served this -- of the book the -- ones pump falls -- for the segment 18774694322. So Joey Joey goes away for ten years -- kind of misses the sixties and then. -- gets out and -- up against Colombo. -- Joseph Colombo is now they have on the par five -- family so he's still got the same beach with him that he had with the old man the olive oil -- and so so then -- in -- in the meantime Colombo has set up the in this Italian American anti defamation -- Right so is so tell us tell let me tell us not do you. Then end do you think that he had the Joey Galloway engineered the hit on on mud Joe Colombo."

" What felt that there may -- there due diligence within there was a mean this was. Then there was the second. Annual unity day. Of Columbus Italian American civil rights league. And he's got to Columbus Circle -- enormous crowd around already for the day parade and did he get assassinated. Right before the parade starts and he you get without pay by an African American. -- quickly killed right right after you know he pulled the trigger on Colombo. And you know automatically everyone thinks is Joey Gallo because. -- The guy wrote my last spoke with Harlem heroin -- Nicky Barnes who was these features an American gangsters to go to Cuba Gooding plays. So automatically everyone you know whether they do not girl look at the joy and and say you know don't going to get it now."

" Yes Andy and Andy any did eventually but -- but I mean what are we what's your thought taught me that you you have this whole background which had never heard before about the guy the black guy who. Who is shot amend you know made him into a vegetable but I mean he's. There's no there's no indication he never you know to wood to the girl Libby was what the night before the hit meaning never said anything about you know I'm doing this for crazy Joe or anything like that he -- there's no there's no. Evidence is there."

" No I think he would leave -- engineered where you don't you don't leave behind any evidence to renew their professional hit here and -- noting that there's there's there's two different camps of people think you're the lone -- some people think that Joey does some people think through lucrative but arrival just depend on Joey because you know when you -- black men killing -- ever won gold -- looking good to Joey I mean even the New York Post. I think the flip side by side you know picture of Jerome jumped into the killer and and they have a picture of Joey Gallo right next to."

" he was he was and I would have moved very well rocket play do you kids -- Colombo based on Joey Gallo. You know he he became friends would carry it -- that he was hanging dealt with the galaxy for the lower body of the upper east side. And on the night get killed he was actually at the Copacabana and Don Rickles was on stage -- actually pointed -- out enjoy kind of -- waved everybody in the audience than the other the total people that. God given a reason to kill him as well be a good start and his new friends. And and four hours later he's down at a bit of -- how the united confined to Chinese food and immediate gunned down its."

" Now and again they say there's a recent book that came out is saying that they have the guy that you got that claimed he killed Jimmy -- to just happened to be there and you mentioned this in the book that that. But it these units and a guy -- and frank -- and you're -- right they are yeah straight games Irish Irish Irish gangster but he's actually the want to kill him I mean do you believe that third do you do you -- and that seems to be a fairly reasoned that seems to be a fairly well accepted. Version of events now isn't."

" Well no group -- I would think there's a bit of mob revisionist history going on there I don't think anyone going to be able to the fiddle with thing at this point you know who killed -- I think this -- They're the Kennedy assassination of just one of these things you never believe it."

" Right the bottom. So he SO gap but say he obviously it was a is it the it was -- it was good review of the Colombo were very happy when he was gone whoever took about let's take some calls here for Tom falls -- the -- the author of the new book the man once. It and it just came out it's about the the gallows the Gallo Brothers of Brooklyn. Tom you're next with how we -- Tom -- go ahead Tom."

" Yeah carry trade dog. Listen I want to ask them did did he interview. Jerry your back before he died but it spoke."

" Now all I wouldn't tell you toward going to look until until there is unfortunately. But through about it we don't -- him put his widow. No."

" You talked to some of the women that he was involved with voted just Tom."

" Well there was you know I'd definitely talk to you it's funny you know. You think about parker believed detective and you could get him -- cops around at the end FBI man you're thinking well. In other than to say I don't even though that another could not thug but what was funny was that when you're talking to some of these. Cops there's an FBI men were on the scene you know they were covering the gallows about 247. For a period of I don't know just several months here when they're going to the mattresses. As they sell president street. I got the point where -- cops coming into work every day they got a lot to -- I think they think well you know hurt corporate security or do my overall you know make the most of our time and enjoy. Still there and actually have you know did with the with the Gallo Brothers you know where they are going to mattresses -- and then the father's cooking disappointed people so there was. You know there was a real if they were in the middle -- and all the guys there would says."

" I thought was interesting is that do you you know would win -- I remember at the time reading you know that that you know this guy was you know -- you talk about all these you know X essential philosophers and rental car and Danica and all this stuff. But it when he comes out you say that you know he -- like he did like the tight fitting bell bottom pants you know he want you want to go back to -- 'cause they were more comfortable and he hated. You know the that Tony Bennett Frank Sinatra type guy."

" You know very easily intimidated -- a multitude of Adobe's -- you know he's coming back any other -- to be like what happened to -- ability. So I know -- I don't want to you know you want to -- Davis says all of them have been big broad view and yet."

" Bing Crosby a -- does that fit in with the guy that they you know you were read about it nearly seven out yet out. -- that that they that they didn't talk about bing Crosby too much."

" Does open -- he missed a whole sixties you know I mean we would you know -- can."

" He is gone for ten years -- is. That's a long time thanks for the call Tom Mike you're next with how we card Tom Folsom author of the book the man once go ahead Mike."

" Get an -- border guard deal. You know it's intriguing that does the public interest in these white guys in Europe. Whole -- speak -- mobilize got a chilly perhaps because they're really held an Irish -- a lot of equations."

" So I thought I mean they -- this -- I'm not sure what does -- about the note American you know. Called -- of the blood the other there's no denying the people -- fascination. For white guys."

" Closure and one of the reviews here they described her book Thomas -- nonfiction and that's I mean that's a good way to put it I mean it's it it's it's not just history I mean it's just it's it's fun reading about these guys -- give -- you know you -- make them do Breslin tried to make it out but that mean this and the real the real life version of these guys is even better."

" No I mean look at me or -- why -- Bob Dylan flooding to talk about this -- you know this is good for the jukebox extortionist. Is -- odd to me a little bit got to be a story there and and end up being a pretty fascinating one."

" Thanks for the call might block your next with Howie Carr and Tom -- go ahead -- Yeah there -- yeah."

" I know by the you know they targeted a mafia you know look at what time it seemed like it was pretty you know there was. -- you couldn't you couldn't get what you needed from the local. Sundown -- so -- you know you want the dog and felt like everything else in the country it's been -- for those -- You know just slipped from another old computer talked about Joey -- and then recollect and read -- and so Colombo. I want they're they're very battle line and the daily fuel lines and you have to upload and store that. It did almost too good to be true -- I know I know -- I Leo I -- I'm sorry go -- and -- didn't know why don't get -- we got our -- line."

" And yet -- look at the live event -- in the kept them in the basement of Dell headquarters and what they would do that you know the dead beat northern kind of pan -- they kind of bring the dead beats good that the the cellar door they put out his immediate Adobe would hear the lion roar and that he can quickly open up his pocket."

" And the midget talk about tell people about the midget."

" Yeah a mother committed ideologues. The official gas tank that got."

" We -- special midget. Hello crew."

" I don't want funny story when maybe -- coming got a but I don't have a broken record there was nobody but the great Pressman. You have to be NBC reporter approach from New York without -- larger predators the gang war and they don't have a lot of different again -- of my body guard here and then. The camera of course and down to monitor the -- it's."

" The -- had some Syrians in the game to right the yeah like all the people who couldn't really like it cut the mustard with the mafia."

" I think they have some of public radio make it through -- secure develop only -- mean this is -- The other the kind of rag tag bunch you know and they what you will about the -- they they certainly weren't prejudiced I mean there's a word you know bringing. The Puerto -- the big gangs. They're bringing indeed -- from over on Atlantic avenue in Brooklyn. Didn't have an Egyptian head man named Alibaba."

" Yeah and he got hit to right right those were well you know more about ambien have I was more I was interest in what happened to him."

" Yeah I know you are bubble and a vehement you know he yeah you. It's been deported even for united front is American export lines and -- came back from one of its troops ashore and he was these geeks. Seconds -- via the enemy gang and then they gunned down on the Hoboken waterfront."

" Okay we're we're out of time here about Tom falls and we appreciate your -- whether Somalia says it's a very yeah very good book very entertaining it's. It's it's a good read and thanks for -- of us."

" Thanks so much how it's gonna put."

" Thank you thank stop. The author of the map once won -- Weinstein books 1877469432. To him Howie -- Right."