Restraining students

" The restraint of students in a classroom when the acting and disruptive way physically threatening way you eat cannot let one or who. Students no matter what that particular challenges no matter what their particular issues to you cannot let that take. Take a classroom hostage and throw into question some doubt. The education. Foot ten others fifteen of -- twenty others. Create it to me a timidity on the part of the of the T one."

" It's again you failed to understand the primary tenets of the party that you claim is you're -- and that is the -- have a -- is that. It's much more important to focus the resources. On the troubled. Exceptions student than it is to educate the masses of students who were trying. To get something out of the schools yeah pushed her well you glorify the exception you empower the exception. The individual rights of the unanswered Coble kid is much more important that all those other kids in the classroom sitting there waiting. For the troubled student to be dealt."

" In 152025. Kids. Education is at least. And these signal Todd that is sent to the let's let's say it's a -- of 25 packets are -- and there it is want to to these kids who act out on a regular basis. You know this that and another percentage of the students who just kind of trying to figure out okay what's the lay of the -- what can I get away with -- UAE that -- that happens in -- in in the short -- So there these 141516. Europeans say okay let's watch how she. Handles this she being the teacher on the whenever my PC get to a three clowns. And they might -- have just you know behavioral issues of medical medication issues and like not the other was what are called the sort of the potential punk category. The potential -- category says -- this is like the climatic era would get away with anything. C a way to fat Tuesday everyday of the week."

" The only way to that it's totally. You cannot let this happen what's happened and I do what it's only happened it's -- for I know what this is what liberals live for is the idea to worship at the altar of the damaged. And sacrifice the capable that's how it works I don't know -- why should kids be in school. When they can't sit there and do the work -- what will put an aid in their with a why should a teacher have to have an aid in there and the kid who can't lark."

" It would not only -- have to have an eight and why should the taxpayer is be expected to pick up the -- how made a one way or another it becomes very very expensive to deal with the special -- Is actually creating a terrible terrible train. I understand tensions. But it's creating a terrible drain from the resources that is that attempt to commit to a so called regular education."

" Special -- should be done away with is that your position now now that's number why not just get rid of get rid of him make the classroom day the used to be when we're kids there was a classroom for all the trouble -- is sent them down there you take care of them on their. Right you don't allow them to hold hostage -- these high school system isn't that the way it should happen well no he is he is he is the challenges the dilemma for folks like me -- the taxpayers at -- who -- get immensely frustrated by this in the crazy political -- the crazy advocates taking control of the system. And he is he he his detention one we know a lot more about behavioral. Disorders. But -- but the but the troubles. And commitment in incredible variety. So you have autism you have other situations you have. Down syndrome -- that's spicy like -- what those one by different than another he'll do it efficiently if you take. 25. Normal kids and have three screwed -- kids and maybe one can't speak English -- may be ones. Unable intellectually to deal with the work may be one -- is from virtually -- can't see the -- whatever -- you what you're doing it doesn't matter what the disability is what you're doing is allowing that kids uniqueness to drag down learning for the for the for the -- classroom that's -- that's a waste it's inefficient don't get those kids out of that classroom I don't care what you do them afterwards the -- is you don't hold everybody back for the exceptional cast -- W guiding principle -- education today. Is -- you don't try to educate the largest number of kids that this is driven by constant by the constitution there's a constitutional right to weed free and appropriate public education. So do I mean the -- doesn't know if you can't be taught the you get ten have a free public are usually does well yesterday I did when we were kids what changed what changed is the court has become more bad precedents that no court would -- never vote for Democrat again. 617006. Sec I -- and salute -- 66 Syria and Anthony in Middleton the morning -- NW RKO."

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" yeah they did of the video of paint brush from me and lots and lots of red through red were flat with -- to -- that it makes a good point Andy talks about the feminization of America what do you -- web series -- we posed this question when -- first not a -- early today. What do you do if you that you know the little history of socialist studies teacher. Who's may be F 54 and she weighs as -- 15020. Pounds. And these 217 year old kid to wailing away and they come in with the attitude. In it's believed view every other two that he Jack can you imagine talking a teacher that way I knew some tough kids to I really that I want to schools of tough kids -- there -- tough tough. Aggressive kids in a school none of them and I -- we're not eleven -- kind of a crazy fantasy. Land indulgence of our own. Teenage he has none of them would do it talk like down in the president."

" Well that's -- does -- that's because -- back up for the teachers -- and a big part of the problem today is that the backup has been weakened. By the attack they get from parents so parents -- to -- if you came home and you say you were in trouble you were already in trouble with the apparent -- respect of the -- 100% that he only want to hear what the story Lewis yup they just backed -- authority yeah wherever authority would have the adult side as opposed exactly trial now they take -- child site. I can't believe they spoke that way radio it does it -- terror sick kids might be tilting the story Illinois that are failure of the market so. What we need to find a way to put power back into the hands of the -- on how we do that Russ is embossed in -- WRKO."

" The -- gentlemen. You know you -- a ruled by resent our role by fair and one reason doesn't work then you must roll by fair number one I believe in the joke clocked model and then. The second thing is that it's and the we have to open up some regional both camps to -- at the pumps up the school and --"

" Mental. Disabilities and shortcomings this is tough tough stuff I just I mean my eight sympathy by empathy is absolutely with that teacher in the classroom. And then be -- in guest till the cows come home everyone's a Monday morning quarterback everybody's lawyer and -- everybody is looking and I don't think she's."

" Just get -- and they don't get backed up by the parents ago parents nit picking them all the time and the principals don't stand up for them either nobody is backing up the teachers so that the teachers served between Iraq and our place. If they discipline too much they hear from the parents and -- the principals here from the parents still side with parents so what's a teacher supposed to do plus they're getting all these ridiculous. Entries from the eve from the organization you know from the from wherever they get disseminated the information on what the values of teaching -- today show they're being told to be weaker to be more accommodating to be more coddling and."

" It's just a ridiculous situation -- made -- schools and -- there's a specific one coming out of North Reading apparently. North threading is embroiled in -- dispute over the restraining of a three year old autistic boy. Three years ago value city itself -- why would what was in six great -- had what was a three year old even doing an apple it ended in a in apparently. The teacher thought he was to be too disruptive and preschool classroom. The boy was crying hysterically should put a minute share which is designed to help special needs children its its steel. And then she put him in a somewhat darkened closet dark closet designed to help. Kids with special needs -- still can't come down apparently. And you what that she walked away shutting the door behind her leaving the boy alone now the -- always having these nightmare is and all the rest this -- three year old autistic child whose client. Crying hysterically -- once again the hospital do whatever you have to do of them what -- a public schools the F I mean this this is -- teacher probably obviously teacher to the wrong thing you don't lock pick in the closet the teacher might have been overwhelmed. Trying to figure out how to deal with other necessities of the other kid exactly right in any reach everybody reaches their limit at some other point. We don't know but we can imagine that their preschool probably had the preschool classroom probably another 710. Maybe twelve -- fifteen. 234. Year old I have no idea how all the -- its preschool so let's just say three and 40. In and one of them crying hysterically out of control no sign of you know becoming exhausted and this is why I recommend the fire grows ha ha -- 6172666. Feet six it John west rocks very good morning good morning John."

" Good morning shot you know tried you've you've read some good point you don't get a lot of -- from moderates and special led and I'll. In high school and Tom I wish I wish that battle essay here that LSU on the grounds -- state hospital. But I received by the Almonte I would ever wish your diploma hot. You know you just merely your -- at some good points about what is your point. Well -- my point is is that if if that's if that's special needs students don't get about a classroom like your -- on. And parliament just special at all you know and you know -- address a couple of."

" John Abel and when you were gone three yard challenges in the likened him mention we were. How many how many other kids were in the classroom and women you all suffering from pretty much the same limitations in the same challenges -- was that a wide variety."

" about the -- about thirty people -- class religious site are the suffering from. You know the -- and the -- area cannot. Note that the strategic thought that you know that a big that's from a so called. Get television outlets Internet."

" So you know until you're not angry that they separating you you don't feel like I'm on our summer school. You know and love or did you feel whole like some kind of outcast at the time."

" Outlet of that a little bit but that's the problem -- drug problem right and and and -- and problems of ADHD. --"

" Jaw are out is okay my problem you didn't have. Combined guy how do you survive all this."

" Well you know that a bit but for the grace of god are no. You know do it at that time it doesn't like public."

" It doesn't sound as if the apparent to run into. And I found out you know there was an issue John appreciate the call -- you -- to hear from his 6172666. Feet six -- what should happen in the schools with regard to. Those kids who were to all the -- disrupt who simply cannot function in the environment whether it's emotional you know that this is why our our I think a large part of the reason. Why so many kids are behavioral drugs today. Because. Stated that the rule of thumb of the society is every kid has to be in a classroom so the schools are saying well if they have to be here we have to make them some -- manageable so they push drugs on the."

" Becomes like McConnell -- you've -- because everybody's invited everybody is welcome so and so forth you have kind of polite behavior it is almost impossible to ought to teach. Under those circumstances in that particular setting I mean think -- it really truly think of it. Think of the person is trying to prepare a lesson plan bring -- students along prepare them for MCAS and certainly we hope. Well beyond MCAS in -- trying to deal with these problems and as you say not to act up if they do X the parents sue if they do why the principles on their back. No back -- no support no encouragement nothing for that teacher it can become I I would think it becomes are we hearing very very quickly Professional League in emotionally exhausting. On the -- out on the teacher try to figure out how to deal with this stuff."

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" Good morning I might rouge -- against be strange to -- region one we change that -- moral values which will first of all I think that's the most. Important things that you do. And this way it image those people don't understand they have all of the -- True we -- restraining children. At any age believe it was so open floor and attack as. Was mentioned won't show up ready partial pitched at Joe the police to restrain the national cherry -- in the wage. Which -- so -- wish -- told him every stream sure that the red usual when I was a child a little bit disruptive. But you know to me build my parents were you know called on the school and they took the moment -- the restraining. What in -- just sat restraint which go and how."

" But you know the Pope what are you can't be serious about have been required in the teacher called the police every time a kid is acting up in school. The cops would be responding all day long if I just you try to throw a police headquarters in the school."

" That you should be jewel -- which were familiar with the kids in the neighborhood that we're troubled that it had problems should it go talk to the current -- and renegotiate them to be prejudicial things could change our abortion when I was one tool but. Actually everything go down and personally I mean if you're probably the -- juvenile option are -- all -- as. There were certain people because of that situation it would train to into the situation and partial you know they --"

" it was early early he made a good point which is it's a different time now the values of today's say everybody. Has to be in the classroom. Nobody can be put into a special class. Then the teacher who's the sixth grade teacher has to have all the sixth graders doesn't matter if there mentally challenged emotionally disturbed. On behavioral drugs whenever violent they're all in the classroom together Ernest become an untenable situation so you have to focus in on what the underlying problem is the reason we're having a conversation about restraints. Is because the kids should -- in the classroom in the first place. --"

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" You I would say our homes yeah homes CI and everybody would say -- it that I would like I was -- you -- the -- not -- I own and Samoa. Which are about education this is story in the paper today about how. That you teachers may be going too far in restraining kids. I think if they're going to turn restraining kids is because they're going. They're gone out of their minds trying to figure out how to teach in the world in which the education system requires. That everybody be in the classroom. No matter how -- magical or uncontrollable his good -- for."

" Haitian and the elevation of the individual at the expense the many and I understand this is driven by the constitution we have to try to find ways to know when this explosion -- knowledge is not driven advised distortion of the constitution by liberalism. I don't think it's a distortion it is it's going great say constitution says explicitly that every. Person has the right to a free. An appropriate public education yes but to say person not just those who -- healthy in body and mind. But those who won not helping -- in the lobby and bonds are reasonable to say that there should be a system that has standards to cover the norm. And that. The everybody else has to do is best to get but he is it reasonable to suggest that that requirement that education be provided to wal. Mean that that education has to be modified so that every person no matter how unable they are to learn is going to be forced through the system does any anyway matchups with the intent of what having a public education was all about what their requirement of the constitution is all about well as knowledge. Begins to be gained about some of these diagnoses some of these ailments. Then it becomes incumbent on the public mean you and everybody else I -- To provide something that is appropriate to the two at every look at -- no matter how useless as an effort might be -- as frustrating is that does NASA know that you think that's -- there has to be a rationality. Reasonableness test -- this you appoint a public education. Is to make sure that. Kids on mass. Are able to function in the society when they reach a certain age to take somebody who can't function in the society and say you have to apply that to them is a contradiction. You know the whole cars and I know it's not a console is our job to take some kid who we spent twenty years educating -- he -- might be able to use a four properly believe that becomes the job of the school also -- yes to the to know that's ridiculous and whose job is that. The parents the parents sure what about the what about that Chinese constitutional right I mean that's right constitutional right to walk -- free inappropriate and education and that's so water education that's a caretaker that -- they want to say the kid is a right to a hostile Toro got orders some kind of institutional work. They'll make sure it gets Fed that's a different thing but to say the schools are responsible for educating those or inexplicable is ridiculous and it's destructive to -- original intent and the concept of having public education will once upon a time when they did not have the proliferation of these problems now we have a whole bunch of problems we. -- Yet every body has our right to every everything even if it destroys the society. Liberals want destroying the society so that doesn't bother them but the rest of us have an investment trying to make the society found a little bit normally yeah a little bit overly lenient -- good morning earn double your -- late."

" Mark -- you know I had taught children you know have severe behavior problems are up by the ears and I did do restraint. And I have to say Eric is a fundamental problem that a lot and that the test is. That the child need to be put -- that'll be street stricter environment. In what they consider -- activity is that -- regular education. Classroom. But it is it is what act out in that it's like Lewis Carroll have to all the air up to it. The least restrictive environment very -- per child -- out of Ctrl+Alt control eagerly. Or art of urgency out of control it currently are carrying it right. Is really. A separate class and that's what they need to keep but the problem is a lot -- you need to try to put an -- regular -- are certainly everybody else."

" Believe it's a great point and it it and it warns all of us the danger is one the legislature uses language like least. And most. Encompassing language that really has no limit because then the judges sitting there and it could not necessarily want to touch. Favorite web call liberal judges that could be judged Feinberg said that if it says -- least the most appropriate education in the least restrictive so you have this. Juncture of words. Better become all encompassing and any judge can sit there and -- say well it seems to me. North Redding school department you could've done a Indians say they play Monday morning quarterback because the language almost directs them to this is as much a problem for the legislature. Our creation of the legislature as it was alleged."

" Wager you also pack two wackos so that's a problem however nobody should ever vote for Democrats is what they create because really what -- the language they should be writing should be. Decisions should be made to assure that the largest number of kids are getting the best education."

" And remember everything vase of special education north and quickly and in terms of the -- Thank -- congress I think it was a very very. Down maligned Republican I'm trying to come up with an out of uninteresting decision because it it is -- like the blame everything old --"

" What could they he might have a good idea like are kidnapped by the wackos to turn it into something destructive. You know doesn't mean he was wrong -- Melrose good morning to you --"

" did good morning do you. It couple like we're. -- the union. And and I wanted to. Art teacher and I cried and actually. -- Financial. And they're not respect the union bury. It our secure and."

" I think the -- I think the unions love this because it means. That's special programs smaller class size is the more you can screw up a classroom the more you get to run around yelling at screening how we need smaller class size is smaller class sizes means more teachers more teachers means more powerful unions so that's how I think it comes down I think that's an oversimplification idea I would guess that the teachers' unions like the idea -- the most disruptive the most violent the most unpredictable students. Out of the classroom of most of the it teaches you know -- a larger class sizes. -- then you could have larger if you get rid of all these troubled -- still -- then you can have a larger class sizes fewer teachers well in theory it could but that's not gonna happen but doesn't always just -- elect the results that they get when there's twenty students without disruption and everybody from the teacher rundown can focus on the on the assignment of the day I don't enlightenment of the -- don't you fighting an interest in the -- we -- kids -- 3035 kids in a classroom and both our results were better. And if you save this educators today. Where that we were fifteen and twenty kids in the classroom they can't get the same results as a while it's a whole different informal what do you think what we have can't sit there who can't speak to us now."

" Why do you just didn't -- country well we have kids are more mentally retarded what do you -- class well we have kids are different. Background you don't understand our culture why do you insist on having them there."

" Because the cartoons generally are behavioral drugs because the constitution says -- current -- solutions like -- says -- same thing today that is -- fifty years ago that's exactly right it's the difference today is whacko judges that's the difference now -- Indian as I -- legislative language that very very expansive language it's creative language -- and most most -- terms should be avoided it almost all costs in the legislature as Democrat should be avoided -- hot hot -- they are the ones -- write -- language dividend -- WRK a good morning."

" I couldn't tell you David. We could do lists as suggests that we didn't. And we support them and next thing you know not a good luck is at least put them in a classroom. With the themselves didn't -- chocolate that."

" Interact with yet but -- tell you how can work in as. In the city of some early so school. With one -- designed for children who had been evaluated could not function and regular -- That is that group in that facility prepares. To return of the class might be for five minutes is the -- the -- is in mathematics by. -- and -- but only for that time which they succeed. I hope is that they -- back some of them do and which you consider it work and work well. With the cooperation regular."

" Did it help may -- even in those instances when it does not work no matter what the F -- it is made in this special wing. That you know that becomes our way and they've gotten -- week that we had we can return to class from what happens when we turn eighteen."

" When they turned out there educated educated and so it's 121. Okay your turn to programming -- okay yup and will be able to gain those children. -- for the rest of sure now that but the point is we we we want to salvage as many as we and they and there are six."

" That sounds great tip that I no problem with that the problem is having it be required that you'd be that you keep kids in the regular classroom. To the detriment of other people did not."

" Option is is that -- disruptive. If it becomes destructive. Is remove you remove it will not not next week. Within the next minute."

" And did -- run a brawl breaks out in school so forget the you another one who's it -- mental impairments or some other type of disability but it's just 26070. Year old kids in this and what happens. A brawl breaks out how do you handle it in the classroom how did idea colleagues handle in the classroom."

" Well I I was in that position 35 years as as -- school principal. Against dealt with most situations. I can't ever remember people -- all great. There have been instances where."

" I think he means a fight. Yup. We've just between two kids but dip their goal and added that in the language is following -- body blows."

" There you know. We don't we don't discuss that they all yup there's no question about it and the parent meeting is held. And ways in which we can prevent it from happening -- put in place if it happens again yes well."

" Did you find any change -- those standards gave it over 35 years did it get harder to be strict."

" It did it's it's got much either I think that will agree that it was less parent corporation. For those children who are in trouble that trouble that's that is the problem parents are unable or unwilling. Two to do what needs to."

" CO left and a no win situation appreciate the call David 617. -- 666868. Is the number Todd -- taking your calls no well as in the guy they know well."

" In property idiot what you're our cool well there were reform schools. -- behavior problems. In the classroom with your nice that he just could teach. Sorry authorities aren't the problem now is everybody -- to be included in the regular collapse because that the federal law. "

" Yeah it does what I've been saying."

" I mean -- how come this happening and what he again."

" I -- so what I'm forgetting this it that you just made my point. Is that he used to be. That authority was in charge that classrooms work for the kids who could function in them not for the kids who couldn't and now we turn that on its head so that classrooms are held hostage. To the students who were the exception rather than the rule. Exactly that's my point. I don't know what you're not getting that's I have been saying all morning so his."

" The deal what she's saying what Noel was making clear is that they have to be a change was a Debra I'm -- all he wants to get her that's just from land -- no well needs to probably want to. That Noel needs point -- we need to change a federal law. So I hope this silly."

" I don't want to generalize -- referring to but I'm sure there are many now. 6172666860. Up till endeavor is their -- NW RK OI --"

" Hi how Leo yeah good morning I want to say is thank you so much. For putting this in the media the way you are putting it in the media and a teacher is exactly true witnessing. -- a platform ever played by kids might have six or seven -- not great but six or seven that requires severe adaptation. For planned."

" I like that phrase severe adaptations."

" That's the way that the way I look at it and it is extremely difficult and it all comes down to one basic thing and that is money because to put a child in an outside placement. Cost maybe 5060000 dollars a year."

" Don't know why why does have to be an outside place and why wouldn't every school system have their own war classrooms to deal with this."

" Because they just don't they don't have the staff they don't have the facilities and they think that this is easiest way to go help. Instead of paying 50000 they end -- paying 18000 for an aide to follow the child rounded you have to make every every adaptation possible before the will be even considered that a child goes elsewhere. Also if the child that rescue from an emotional problems usually -- that went to suicide before they actually remove the -- And it's just the latest that a lot of time with his parents responsibility. That this is laughing. And most of the time it is the financial concern of the town because they just don't have the budget to place kids where they need to play."

" how do you maintain your enthusiasm in the face of all these conflicts money parents a -- interested you know bureaucracy in the like how to -- do it. Good for you -- athlete -- that's currently used up there is confirmed by the person who faces at every day liberals haven't made a disaster of the school's 6172666868. Thomas -- 680 WRKO."

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