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" You know taught in this -- great situation room rapidly changing political landscape up but -- Hampshire. Good news promise and it's -- eight duty today. We're gonna have former governor John -- join us he is a legend in New Hampshire poll is the father very knowledgeable he served as chief of staff for the first bush White House it to George the -- correct absolutely and served as governor as you pointed out you severe professor tops desirable. Aaron crop tops or imitate. One -- you went to maybe about maybe it's his -- though the senator Sununu went to MIT would have a very bright guys mark politically successful just a smart guy good guy and has now decided that's because of the tragedy of what's happened in New Hampshire one of the great states in the union being taken over by the -- those. He has come out of retirement and has got himself back into politics is now running the state party. In in New Hampshire the Republican Party. And -- and join us an hour to talk about politics up their Judd Gregg -- you know in -- criticism that's."

" Be fun because the Judd -- story is a debate it's these story in the Boston Globe today. It's it's a big big story of all sorts of implications. For the Obama administration as well as reference to the north of New Hampshire. How he is a story just and I really want to talk to about. With fuel and with Ellison's before we closed out the week and it's this I saw this in USA today. That. But unfortunately from my perspective a large number of Americans. -- in favor of the investigating some of the issues. Associated with the bush administration's. War on terror specifically that want to have formed criminal investigations up column tribunals if you will. Going back pulling people in putting them under growth -- to subpoena documents and grilling and -- grilling. I -- I wonder what the purpose is I know people say well it's important that we get to the truth in the like by -- let me just get right to it. I don't like what has happened -- this country in which the way we know literally criminalize. Political. Disagreements who made politics. A -- when do we do that we do would constantly we do all the time do you actually think that Patrick Leahy the senator from Vermont. Is going to approach George Bush. Dick Cheney called row -- anybody else. One was an open mind as you know sensitive. Neutrality in terms of fact finding. The goal -- will be well it's unstated now the goal he will be to get a scalp. To get indict."

" It's to have that will be the go -- once -- about political process right the idea of of going after them and trying them for example to attitudes to investigate and determine if they violated the law by using torture. If -- you know Republicans automatically defend against it in and Democrats automatically in favor of it unless of course say they're afraid it'll distract. I say -- fine go ahead go -- it go do it. Go do it yeah what's up because then the political lines get trauma then Democrats have to stand up and say. Even though President Bush was trying to keep us safe. Even though he was acting under his commander of chief and commander in chief title -- and that. That there's so much leeway granted for that you argued it was Lincoln Lincoln's birthday SM reading a -- public what he did was. The Democrats would have been ravaging him if he were president today suspension of habeas -- yeah this stuff over the war crimes should be committed against and it was a civil war. But he was trying to when he was trying to save the union Matsui -- have a trial of -- But that would mean Democrats would have to stand up. And say we believe that saving the union was not as important as upholding these laws."

" What you might end -- you might see it in a certain way because of the really that. The appeal if you will of those very very clear political -- I look at and and a different way. This absolutely then creates a clash of the extremes there any collection of lunatics in my party who think that George Bush is as bad as."

" And will be here and it oozing out of the earth I don't George Bush stolen election I don't think if you had some opportunity to litigated publicly you can put it behind we'll say it it went out it was."

" Litigated publicly and it's not behind enemy that went to the the United States Supreme Court out of the Florida courts to the US Supreme Court does -- chunk of the American public that is never except that it's a you have your your premise. A G litigation will resolve and in the in the country can move on -- I don't litigation and only literally litigation litigation extensive investigation yeah extend the extent that it is literally like that's the wound. Static to scab all of us and you just keep pick and that pick at a pick had a pick at a."

" I was solid Democrat -- let them prosecute George W. Bush and let the Democrats have to choose which side they're on the side that wants to be terror not the -- thinking that some technical violation of some law is more important as saving us from terrorism let those liberal stand up then make it clear who they are so the American people can discard them once and for all."

" We'll let let let's make it clear idea I realized that'd be no greater lost in the land than the last to get the -- somethin' on Dick Cheney and to send its fat or Iran to jail a lot of people whatsoever that if I love the well this kind of big bought Malone is that we call something like that a lot of people would like to see that happen. I would remind you that this is not just liberal law -- in your phrase wacky Democrats. For a long time far too long in this country we had the independent prosecutor statute. The independent counsel what do you call. And both Republicans. And Democrats. Used and abused that statute in the worst. Possible ways destroying people's names their reputations putting them into bankruptcy. In the whole ball the whole lowlands and investigations stats is to get a scalp it is that's the nature of the these type of tribunals these temperament -- it is not healthy. George Bush love Ahmad hate -- whatever it is it is he made decisions. Have to move on and what once you do this once you move down this road if you think there won't be tit for tat response so that after Barack Obama's presidency that at somebody else says. Time for the tribunal lets get Michelle and here. Let's get Iraq in here why it is CA -- got to dress just -- it is unbelievable. And it be literally becomes the picture theatre the -- very very dangerous to our political system that you criminalize. Policy decisions you might be more conservative than me I might be more conservative than you saying you don't want to."

" Don't you think -- don't think there's a line at some point I mean there is an argument to be made that that treaties that we sign that which forbid -- engaging in torture. Were violated by the behavior of the Bush Administration right now they admit to having engaged in acts that work torture or on the cusp of it. And we have signed under trees which are the law of the land -- like the constitution when you sign a treaty that's the law of the land so it that that means they violated the law."

" Technically when they did that well I think all treaties have provisions in the fall of a national emergency -- to. Nations including the United States break treaties all the time just it would withdraw from the treaty went under seal and a ball withdrawing -- always said vector when he -- and twenty months ago doesn't hold -- drawing the apparent from this survey remembered us."

" the law of the land if that's a lot of land that we don't torture and they were committing acts of torture then technically you have a legal issue. That should be resolved and then the liberals are right to argue that the where they're wrong is to try to politicize doing the best thing for the country it's based on the premise that George W. Bush who is this evil monster who doesn't care and -- Dick Cheney to. There which they believe they believe aren't rhetoric they get caught up and like you said maps and they actually think these evil people don't care about the best interest of the country were trying to do best bias yeah."

" The energy around these things is just a visceral hatred in this case of bush and Cheney -- or late at. That's the fuel that runs these things for senator Leahy are now I mean I know Vermont we have a collection of you know. Ben and Jerry's the object rematch of law it's unbelievable so maybe Leahy thinks he has to do this to. Played in the crowd I think illegally -- people -- rise to the occasion that's my hope and most of disappointment -- so should President Bush be tried for torture crimes Cheney to you know criminal investigation Democrats want to see it happen as a matter of fact to the polls indicate a majority majority of Americans two thirds of Americans say yes I saw that -- on charges -- Richard we should throw that out let's -- right protocol six run seventh. 2666868. Is the number. Is -- hybrid Tom Finneran here and AM 680 WRKO let's go to Mike in Winfield about Mike."

" Good morning gentleman -- I'm. Okay -- what you -- well first thing I thought -- about this was here this comparison the Lincoln. -- suspend habeas corpus that back and Obama played. As."

" The idea that -- I was just talking about that I would like to force some intellectual consistency on the liberals who really need a slap upside the head."

" I I thought up after accurately a lot of any part of this I think is is the wiretap also include in this. Yup -- yeah I've probably used probably you know how you look at this bill if you look at what they're doing with health care they're requiring -- helped record. Go to the federal government. Now it is about colossal invasion of privacy. I would I would certainly think it's actually. I mean how come and talk about a wiretap but just knowing what the phone numbers typically get -- before that phone number if you look at what people."

" That was such a great car that computers were actually cross reference saying. Phone numbers and databases to see if you're calling a terrorist that was an invasion of privacy the liberals saw was devastating."

" I want to see everybody's health records go to without government and the federal government -- know what everybody medical condition is so they can limit health care that's what they want to do."

" The other you're Paraguay -- that you have the wiretapping issue was dead that would commit to this Mike you have to get no issues. In decisions that would come into this you obviously have the decisions around Iraq. In particular and doesn't you know the WMD stuff so called in you have has taught as pointed out the torture issues there is no Indian side if anybody thinks its investigation would not go on for 45610. He has spent hundreds of millions of dollars. It began in amounts to that it's an attempt. To criminalize. Differences of opinion that's all it is."

" Well. If there are pretty I mean I I talked about the torture thing. And I you can make an argument to the Bush Administration violated the law so why would you want the violation of law not to be investigated and and prosecutors."

" You would what what you would want to do is if you think there -- some. -- you woody on the lot come up with a clarity that's what the Democrats and Republicans who can fight it out about whether it's waterboarding. Told what to what passes -- does not passed. Even the Barack Obama administration is confused on this because while they said within the past week that to you American water -- here of the new directives will be a guided by the what the army field manual of the aggregation. You know -- the CI -- did not apply to the CIA so I mean it. This is not let's attack Iraq for being a hypocrite but they're saying one thing and did do one another I don't think we should have a criminal panel led don't have the Barak for the inconsistent statements on the campaign trail about."

" I just think it's the only way to make the Democrats put up or shut up Democrats have decided they're going to be the wack -- party or they're going to be old fashioned mainstream. In -- in a lunch bucket party and the voters when they vote for Democrats are voting for the old fashioned lunch bucket Democrat -- when they're out CNN. Harry Truman's Democrats had lunch -- and what -- what they're actually getting is that is Barney Frank. And they need to -- parties not the exception Barney is the norm. While 6172666868. Mike -- Dorchester had my good morning your idea what Todd and Tom."

" I have no problem would be Abu grab whatever what Guantanamo. Or read Vincent Bugliosi book. I did not is -- very interesting book and I believe that what they were -- at first. As far as the -- and then I started reading in the more -- that matter I I got. Describe out of retried for one thing only and -- line to the people -- out. I -- they deliberately. -- at nothing to do with 9/11. Are right nothing at all. And the other stuff so distraught and artwork or whatever that result bull crap and you know it. And our -- and Cheney ought to -- and rest seven pearl and stepping Wolfowitz. A lot of people brought to trial for what they've done that this country."

" Well Mike do you think FDR should have been tried for taunting and provoking Japan into thinking that we were cutting off their oil and rubber supplies they had my."

" He was try to try to copy oil supplies and -- doubt there are."

" And with the with lead with a goal to getting us into world what to provoke them into an attack and then he had justification to go to congress. Ian Churchill have been talking about this for months and months and months. He needed something to provoke is that -- should have the have been tried."

" No no I think Richard -- would really happy about what happened every there's always rumors. That FDR knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be acting that you guys from. What was it Kimmel and short paid the price for that -- thinks so --"

" Isn't it that's -- doesn't doubt about the the same type of argues these words. False premises that you were attributed to bush and Cheney and W and any number of reasons including -- theory. That if they could get a stable democracy in the Middle East it would become contagious people could see the benefits of it into its spread now you and I can scoff at the theory. But it wasn't just -- we we see real WMD are not satellite photographs. -- number resent you want to focus on why that you are you conclude it's false and say hey let's have a grand jury it become sane."

" Ask for 5000 kids. Who -- died a man and a woman the visit about are we made is that what this country's about to go to war look you know displace people people in this world."

" you're getting off onto a different issue the question is whether you criminalize political behavior. Ended do we -- where you're arguing basically is because a president lies or misrepresents facts. That he should be tried. I think everything coming out of Obama's mouth is alive. What do we took a sharp break and then right back to the calls on AM 680 WRKO first."