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" How we're gonna talk to will Austin who's the co director of the Roxbury prep job at a school mentioned this couple of often on for the past couple weeks that I really wanted to get. Folks on from -- for reproach out of school live. Did the school was that they're putting up on and cast a dramatic particularly Wendy in light of we always read about the achievement gap in which. Either CD students and you know that's translation for African American students. As for the blacks didn't seem to always be falling short. In terms of the way they will test on and cancer of the standardized tests well. What the with the folks with the teachers in the team the leaders at Roxbury prep try to screw a joint. Is just -- fantastically. Impressive and just so everybody knows. Before we go to willow Austin's already called and and is is waiting on hold how we gonna go to him in a minute I just want everybody to know -- known. That will Austin and his family for many many as Willis classmen might do want to Madonna's Latin school and then from there he went to Harvard University -- very very bright guy and he could probably be doing anything including. Gone you know go and LT it's. Wall Street once upon a time 100 kids went to Wall Street had made bundles and bundles of money and -- masters of the universe he decided to commit himself to another cause a better cause and so. I just want to make sure. -- for purpose of full disclosure people people know this relationship goes back a long way I admire very very much very bright guys positioning -- as I believe he is the -- direct about what do we go right to will now and he can -- tell us all about -- and we welcome difference forum. Will Austin from -- for reproach at a school tomorrow will him. Mining. Thank you very very bashful what do we style with -- Wendy's question technically was easy -- titled the opposition to responsibility of Roxbury prep."

" Sure before I get it to batted in full disclosure I should mention that before on well today. Metro Boston radio personality I knew them at the guy with a loud as possible ointment sisters soccer. Ha -- bad bad luck with special mention."

" Dave does not surprise anybody who's listening right now if you just talk about Reagan I'm sure that's right I'm sure you've never -- I'll I'll take advantage of that opening constituted talk about regular guy there -- shell secret she's asleep right now probably such -- pop up but anyways if we should get excited at those soccer games a little bit well that's right."

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" That's. Grow good I'm happy to hear you know they're like veterans affairs I want to. Option that I did that -- do pushups and sit ups and cal Ripken's election Madonna as a -- Yup yup the only avenue does is. -- did it anyway yeah -- so will I give the audience a little bit of an outline near Boston Latin school kid in the -- went over to while halving it in tell us how you've got started -- expert -- in again what is your position and now in what year when he responsibilities."

" Sure so I'll pick when he -- first we have a slightly different -- rock group -- we actually have to co -- principles that we call a director's. So -- director and Lehman manages curriculum instruction which means that she manages. And staff teachers -- It features feedback that the basic job of the principal the critical function which is actually a flat rate every -- and I'd you operations and finance. Which is more elective which could -- the beauty and important work of running organization everything from payroll. Though. One of the difficulties -- leadership is that. Vote that put their time between. -- and in worst may or may not have -- one of them that was but the difference here make sure we can do everything by Evans at."

" Well like I told Wendy it will we were talking about the show what would talk about this morning with our audience and obviously with few. I told that I've always had an interest and had the opportunity to speak to the students at -- searcher prep China school but what really. I grab my attention several weeks ago and cast results came out. And -- expert prep charter school did very very well why don't you tell our audience will about the M cast school -- hand you know we've blow always talked about the achievement gap in the challenges that. Inner city African American kids faced the composition of the European union of the student body and it and how you know how an ordinary day rolls out over their Roxbury --"

" Yeah we're going to -- at any time we talked who that would. Mission which is to have it -- and to graduate college. That we promised our family connected up and that -- That's what analysts were promised back in 1998. The year before schools -- that in a city where some of the best. Secondary schools in the world exists public bought land of course and private. That everyone should have access to institutions by a public -- So put that in 1999 run mission help which airspace with -- Cubans out yet and and were a traditional middle school which there is extremely. At thirty kids are pretty small -- and at the school the tort date what -- that."

" The I'd say it's easy it's not it's not known for its physical plant."

" We reinvent think it that the teachers and then -- now. With the entry in its current thirty students we've. You basically three basic things we have great curriculum which involve a longer school day. More homework rate teachers. No idea that a revolutionary no ideas that folks went to schools and think about schools and up on the wrong. Questions what the well. So we have great curriculum we have a code of conduct where we have in characteristic it's wear uniforms. Salisbury state it's very that the when. Were very purposeful a teaching it to be well. And -- lot of opera on it anyway and when you've been -- argument at -- and 88 there crouching on the sports we offered them every day which it can anything from capitol where soccer and all. Things. Visual art precautions that are. It's --"

" Well no at this time a day a lot of educated teachers and administrators are driving to work and oft times they listened yesterday we were talking about single sex classes single sex schools we got a lot of interest. Social of people want to call and in -- me remind people the number 617. 2666868. Feel free to call it will Willis happen to take calls. William mentioned a longer school day that I share with Wendy made the audience really what you know the I was that your students do go to school -- what oh and eat you mentioned to me something about Saturday's as well I'm curious about that."

" So every school day for its start at and 45 with a silent reading here's the kids read every day. Drop everything and read it there would be here. -- six academic classes that. Which includes two separate -- classes the day in. The classes that. Our kids typically come a couple green -- behind in court that -- worked on last month that. And academic classes about it. And expand programs that were there. And Eric it afterschool. Private tutoring club the tension in this district school necklaces latest but there are so we take all that and accumulated. We end up with a anywhere from 56 we have additional instruction in years even know we only a 188 vote. Count there were adding about 56. I have."

" Well let me ask -- a couple of questions first volley you know it sounds like. An idea that. Should produce very high. Grades for so I'll tell us how you did and cast. -- comparatively I mean I don't want to hear the right details on that even understand the compared to other. Boston Public Schools and more importantly against compared to other charter schools about your."

" Sure so I would say that you know at the -- on this past -- is that -- it's. Outperformed 80% of all on. It there's six company -- scored. Which we're very very about. In terms of specific on the demonstrate English language arts that any map that our kids were in the top and all schools -- Last year actually we at -- at any school inspires."

" So what that -- and that includes Wellesley Needham Brookline -- Boston Latin school for example all that and -- and how how many years has your school and implies."

" Since 1999. And the thing that I would make that what they're make but amcats result is that. These results have been buried in the the last five or six years since that you. Four we've been I support -- She's. Luckily I would say yes -- schools. Ought to markets becoming much more competitive and there are other -- reports -- and bought it and then acted like ought to -- Bell academy bot thing collegiate ever brought to view and those votes doing --"

" You know you know and an awful lot of people who were critical of the -- when it was first that suggested. Said oh competition is terrible for education this shouldn't be about competition it should be about inspiration. Obviously. At least in terms of charter school competition it's been a good thing."

" Absolutely. Who is -- it's them it is a market use certain extent it's not a market in the back there were selling products -- But ultimately it comes down to everyone's competing for Google they want to teach it as well as possible -- they're gonna wrap and -- to. These kids as well they possibly can for their benefit indicated then that that event that."

" One more one more quick question and then and we did it start to take some calls."

" I I read earlier this week. And this they've been general observation about."

" Schools in Boston in general and not charter schools and I think we have to be very careful to separate or -- there obviously handled and managed very differently in the investment and so forth."

" But I'm."

" I think it's in connection with the Northeastern University program to offer up kind of transitional prep school year before congress to help increases success rate the college success rate for kids coming from the inner city. It to have you measured out that far you're kind of young school I get and you've got some data. On college success not entering college which has one measure but successfully getting out in four years or five or six but getting out at with a degree after for your stint."

" Well although it makes me -- aged I can tell you that we are first graduating classes now juniors and college. Indicated is -- a quick that 80% or 80% of the kids that graduated from -- prep for car and opened up she wants her college age now. It is appointment Eric and I think it's worth spokesman -- numbers behind it because report was released two days ago by the Boston private industry council about. Ought to public school retention rates and college right and if you remember about the about a third of ticket. 13 of the kids who graduate from -- get into that went on Whittier school where your college. And actually graduate now. We -- that with that number for a second because the numbers are even worse than what that looks like take a look at it -- and walk you what that means. Said the but the 6000 -- bought. Can you imagine equal -- distribution and a -- about those seniors graduate each. Only happen and it took four years -- on -- Right on -- third of those actually graduated down 600. And if you know bought it well like active you know that he and schools produce anywhere between 6800. It every year off to college. -- the real frightening in net data is that there's. Very very small percentage -- actually graduated from Boston public district school into -- who actually read out."

" So basically assay and well column Latin school column Boston Latin academy -- the O'Brien the three the three competitive exams schools that they always do well. And after that. It is as bleak landscape as possible with three got the Boston public school kids getting into college and then completing that completing that that pot that pot try red didn't break that down that way and I think it would have been very discouraged all its its depressing be it really is a --"

" Everything from the line it's that the on a product of that system and I have family members to work in the box. But they -- as the citizens for pointer transparency. In hopes to -- tax dollars to support our public schools and vote to send their kids to school you know what the results really are."

" Yet that that's very sad news so so tell us quickly them a ticket -- a collar to get a minute. What is. What is -- data in terms of applicants to get into your school I know it's a lottery it's not an application process an exam school but."

" How many want to get in and how many is that going up. How many can you handle it -- you gonna grow even."

" Yes so you know we are -- for information session for two 9000 and yet when he exits when it -- it's your last week or in the next here. We think this whole question of access -- very very yours they were very fortunate to have a full time staff member. Engine and can answer -- I'm recruiting. She goes to community centers and -- that she goes elementary schools bought it then. It many folks here again in the water as possible. And at this straight moderate there's no selected -- not really applications and information sheet which name phone number. From that it and number. -- much -- all the names out of at the kids to come the only collect it and that is that -- And that that an offer on should make that it goes to school Europe which."

" We'll want to take a call to before we get to the first spread but I don't know that we ever read gave the racial composition. Of the student body at Roxbury prep. Given that we -- off this conversation talked about achievement gaps in the great frustration around that I think you'd be helpful to our audience to envision. The racial make up of a yes students."

" Yes so all of our insisted the color. And over that. Oh. That we talked about. Achievement gap elected that they about how it in net and -- you traditionally in there wait here. In the real -- packages and get them from one acting is. Rock group wrapped in all that the rates are and -- York city apartment places like on common. And kept our relief shelling -- you and close the achievement gap there that the real question. We know we. Is there. Is vital political will actually provide equal access all the."

" Well and for this purpose of increasing that in order to go to your school you have to be black now."

" I don't water the water at though you know if you kind of think about like that but public schools but 87%. Black Latino. So where are eight dealing with its population in our minds lottery and it's just after that just."

" 6172666860. It is the number right guest is we'll -- that he's the co director of the Roxbury prep -- predatory. -- a school a school that is just making fabulous news Ian. Given the fact and Allison is Iran was concerned about this stuff with that'd be great topic obviously by the way the board is letting up it is a great topic I'll give the number again and don't go right to a call 617. 2666868. Kevin caller from west broke Kevin you're on the air with will oust him from -- very --"

" And -- made a mistake. Yeah okay. It's 666. Students I'm I'm out guys some."

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" I'm not. I graduate from -- bop bop -- act which go by 1977. -- got a good education. Question is -- ready possibility. That this could be expanded to. Other neighborhoods. And other demographic within the city."

" Yeah haven't did that and I would hope that we cut -- in the real limitation on this then Massachusetts. Think cap. At any given. And -- it personally at 9%. In general terms. That's out."

" that I I. A guy just you know why are they are not on the kind of union got myself but in this -- god I'd say the march out of about it the more jobs who batter. They say looking at looking at I wish I was shocked to find out that. That there was so few. Even if you scheduled for you it would seem to get into hopefully at school. When you you know here I am chances -- the very limit you know that that."

" That is that point thanks so much for the call -- appreciate the call Kevin let's go to what Peter in the copy Iran deal with what allows them from -- predatory -- school Monica -- a -- go ahead."

" on our who'd want to beat up -- You know at -- very. Statistic the globe wrote about in this shall they actually reinforces what they set -- the nature of the people who graduate college in Boston. It's not -- the people graduate high schools the percentage. That actually graduate college is -- high percent because college but the percentage that actually graduates. Is not there -- it very evident and the traffic patterns in the city."

" Yeah I would say that. -- and -- or -- art is that it's a course or grade they do great work here but at the end of the day. If the kid who wins here don't graduate from we're not -- job and sole metric that it's our."

" So so are you -- measure just measuring success rates in terms of graduation from college or do you do you do things with them as they move on."

" So one of that kind of critical component that art school a and we help them is about right off when they're applying -- that every single kid. Every single family council -- placement process there. Our rights which the court and agree yet. So kids will have opportunities to go to all the bureaucratic mess that it involved an -- in the hands school. A craft in the -- who worked hard school and then when your -- we have new all time record service coordinators. Who -- those kids. Keep in touch it and make sure there lineup that is they'd be making sure they're getting caught recommendations. -- seen this summer job and any contracting them through college we have keep it -- year or now tutor. And their college and high school's job."

" Will this we're coming up on up -- break in tact will obviously continue with the calls in the conversation. When we come back what a fabulous way to stop the morning Wendy Murphy and flannel pajamas and will lost a reminder. Given me the bad bad memory of the would detention when I -- my attention was not anything I have wanted to hear and I heard five too often so I need a break and we'll take a short break and we'll come back to will last and in a moment -- AM six AD WRKO. Good morning to Leo welcome back it's Tom Finneran you while listening to Finneran forum on one Don called. November all morning while November 19 -- One of good and interesting things not only -- dressed in flannel PJ signed on to tell the audience that every single time we come back is the anniversary of the Gettysburg address by Abraham -- that is great idea aren't -- he still might restated that and relevant to another topic we'll talk about a little later in the show the -- the bailout for the -- how -- so gonna talk -- I am -- I -- beside myself I watched those. Crazy fat -- a lengthy and my anniversary. Of the date which Ford Motor Co. -- of the production of the legendary and notorious -- do you remember -- actually I don't -- up without extra not knowing that go little history little history and and -- and history this guy I think in his school and making history will Austin as I guess he's the co director of the Roxbury -- school. I would talked about the achievement figure is the -- the student body composition how well the doing. Will want to mention get too heavy get two things out of the way and we'll get right to the calls again at 617. 2666868. Where you would mention the whole -- is an expectation. You'd also mentioned strict adherence to a code of conduct when he and I were talking off the air about you know middle school kids 67 and -- adolescence and asked teenage years and it's all that stuff and a lot of teachers and administrators but just immensely frustrated by the behavior. Of kids of that age. How do you folks. Go about doing the you know that they administering and applying the code of conduct and tell us about the homework expectation Roxbury prep."

" Sure and ultimately I think when it. Accountability -- the though not yet but it clear there it. They're going to be a way there expected. 1 part that. This past year in and I've received the out resonates for fourth spot. On matters well we hired the smartest most committed. Most of trusting that members anywhere. And when we do this summer on training with them. -- curriculum workshop in August there folks I'm back in on it here when I think he's spent a lot of time on is going. The rules and expectations that everyone all now because that's where it on the same -- we expect it to be. And the other part of edit make sure that and we have all the information they need about the rule. You know a lot of difficult to between schools and -- is usually related in the case. When folks come here August orientation we go to handbook line -- line so folks know that it can't talk and always classes. -- have to be in uniform. And and at first week of school and to their news of this school yeah we're not in the in the class but they have uniform are going to call."

" Did did they can't talk in the hall between classes. Were -- now I can just that I. I love this I think that I think that's a very severe. Way to function between interested -- my fourth child is in school now -- survived the others getting through. It is a really hard your I think a lot of schools. Intentionally -- like -- jail -- an inspirational environment and that can be hard. But to -- kid you can't speak between classes I think they are so full of hormones and and energy and and their confused and they're thinking about. I mean -- it's hard aged. And and it's such an energized and it's a chance I want to ask well no doubt about these -- that the one thing I think a lot about the middle school what about my kids lab is that between classes you can blow a little --"

" Yeah the United haven't read any -- that support. And I would say though it think the only reason why we do it and it's it's very simple achievements that are bottom line went to its stock in between classes in the coming -- destructive you can anywhere. Our -- at Church and that. Now market lyzard -- we can't wait and."

" Wow network's total silenced between classes that sounds so rich and how about a homework and then we'll go right -- to the calls."

" over -- a three hour tonight everyone gets homework every single day we dealt antley that. Every day of classes until work every day and it's your child they. They don't have -- going to classes that's just not true. Folks in calling or -- caught on every data confirmed that to after school homework help -- better but. Part. Giving them much homework and need to get pushed back on acting like a lot of work for for kids ages that we need to prepared for at a -- schools and college. Eventually can -- an 810 hours today let's get."

" Well again I think that that's a lot of homework and it and it may be exactly the right thing to do it just went for my kids out it seems to -- will that one other thing judge dealing with did you take them as you find them when they come in two 67 and eighth. So if -- if they have not had an ideal grade one through five -- iPod this intensity is remedial. And part of it has to be repertory because they leave you front 91091011. In action month that to get them into them through college so."

" And yet the last one make towards which -- questions it is I mean I note it educators the air but I'm surprised. Yearly by -- malleable kid. Kids are -- will adapt the army provides for them yet there's. It has been grumbling about the homework to complain about the uniforms but you know posting to the -- this school for five years later and."

" And and and let me be a little irreverent from an -- how many of them are medicated. I'm serious I is concerned I'm let me tell you why I say that because first of all it is such a tough age there's so much Energy Department's truly are out of control. That an awful lot of kids in middle school from what from my experience. Are are put on things like ritalin. In that great in that and exactly that grade or that appear you know that chunk of grade because they can't sit still and -- you know it sounds like an unfair question but I'm curious art is or percentage of your kids who are taking. Medication like ADD to help them get through it would sensitive very rigid curriculum."

" Yeah and I would say can't give you an exact number it's incredibly. -- malleable."

" I am so surprised and I'm so thrilled I'm surprised and I'm an I'm excited yeah."

" Part of the party issues folks expected that this aides not to be able to reform. In away that patients burners so and a lot of schools -- votes elect at this -- it's fine -- becoming. And then there is not ready for."

" Let's does take some calls this is too good to be true love that we can do before our show -- that are expert trap and I love and he wrote. Emphasizing the kids will adapt the expectation that adults articulate it is -- it's been true forever we only lost -- of that over the past two generations. Actually about rivals another world has been turned upside -- the kids set the tone that's ridiculous and adults around let's go to Jones chose Joseph a scholar from Randolph does appear on the deal with what allows them from expert --"

" Good morning good -- good morning. Good morning I urged it to hear reports that China who will in Worcester for the year -- worked in public schools like a -- specialist here. But he compare you make to the traditional. Vote in the mandated for the traditional pop look like schools Rick April light still population. You're cool just offer retort from service or exclusionary. Students should serve the -- I don't normally targeting your postal -- any chat at school typically the chart of who wear our network. It was not a war challenge population we're educational service provided -- report from -- conclusions are planning to individuals. Having a variety of water its ability."

" And you -- to the rate typically for immediately which I was on the that you know China's schools are are are not. One in the -- every terrorist who is different nomination be taken it and that's important to mention. In -- I would say that you know are. Populations in. Vietnam special education. Need or individual education plan is relatively quiet and at a Boston public school. And the way that we. Addressed that it -- which model we have you know what we have a large. Special education now to ensure that every act that the curriculum now I think the upshot of your question is what about -- with severe physical. Emotional or educational. Disabilities in the question is whether or not individuals charter schools can. There -- and in my aunt that though it's kind of an apples to oranges comparison because that that can manage that kind of because they have on scale. Part of the individual schools. Should not be mandated that and that's not really that that outside the mainstream you know print. Spot if you have very specific special needs on your most likely be played into this school that specializes that."

" We'll let -- Tom Finneran again here and I guess this will -- co director expert prep try to school. How will we always read about funding formulas and is always tension you know as to what the legislator legislature appropriates on any given. And giving yet. How well what of the financial realities that you are up against the allocation you -- receive as a public school even -- honest world. And then what do you try to do what is the school try to do above and beyond that."

" Yeah one of the things that. I'm glad you brought that up that I want to nature really articulate for folks today is that China's schools are public schools. You know I think -- economic inflated with vouchers. On the often a lot of misinformation our on its its support folks remember that the chart our public schools. I -- the way you know a kind of edit the funding formula I'll choose one year your granddaughter. But imagine. -- your child -- Certain -- and York daughter wants. After vertigo to it tires off his -- excel he ought to prep one of those. So when your child goes -- The money that they should have gotten ought to should've -- chapter seventy funding. The eight readership needed income that relate to education that is that might not go to Boston altered child here."

" Okay so it's a per capita Iraq allocation. Take -- big chunk of money that Boston would get divided by the 52 let's say for 2000 student should come up with a figure might be 3000 might be 9000 I don't know candidates. And that follows my son my daughter grandson granddaughter to that school."

" It's it's it's really that simple -- the upshot of this. One is that for the first three years that Austin has not educating that child is still getting money from states that remark or uncle being -- amber."

" Well I have I have another politically incorrect question. I -- in school is. I mean for all the -- party tuchman terms of that toughness of that age."

" And they are kids but you know they're -- so kids who are old enough. To be sassy and too young to care about the consequences I think just being polite yourself when -- or middle school as a growing."

" Concern about things like stealing. Smoking. In you know increased use of drugs at a lower age."

" Continue to -- about a year population of students as compared to what you know about. Say you know."

" Regular for lack of better -- what a regular public school and and I know -- and you keep saying the charter schools -- public as well."

" What what if anything you know some terms of those disciplinary issues that increase decrease it and you know and compared to that regular public schools are they on the rise as -- see it in my school's."

" Yeah and I can't really -- air. But that things aren't a record that verses of -- I can say that. You know though level. Student behavior in my seven years here's been relatively flat haven't seen really any dramatic changes I think a lot of it at the back that. Were very very small. And the fact that alternately it's risky behavior. Only really happened that thing where they feel like there supervised -- get away. Our secondly there aren't necessarily -- well. Teachers. Here with kids were ten and eleven. Our -- in a -- on environment. -- don't know where to even try to do after school. And for the most part it's so is England parents school that whatever dramas. The classic doesn't make it."

" coming up on a second -- relatively near peak from New Hampshire in before we go to that break Pete Iran -- with -- from -- very -- a school."

" Good morning guys who can't quite well articles -- be -- I happen if you I don't usually love love listening to you always said that you did great Eddie. At a cocktail parties."

" And a flannel PJ yeah I can't worry --"

" But -- and the guys who act as you know tectonic unbelievable job with what he's doing. And summit bigotry and it's publicly attacked the politically and and all the other stuff -- the guy who has. I walked loading kids accountable and so in the dispute and you can cross the line you could be held accountable for."

" Crazy things all the time in our middle school I'm asking questions from that perspective I'm not criticizing anybody understand have you got the same problems I've got and it's amazing that it doesn't."

" Whether my kids. Now it's especially effective pressure per infringement action the producer -- and national walk on the answer. And I -- zero. But on the other their comparable to facilitate that who. They put out regional I would some of those kids got to wait and stability and that -- A private school I think defeat. What this garage door and I think --"

" Everett has Pete what do you think the big differences what the FD you've heard from well for a you know all the bees and a half hour or so are ready to tell you what they're doing differently what. What do you think is the big difference."

" But it have been held accountable. Conduct legally export conduct and it's been -- honest here it is the by the -- at a private school kids but not all the trouble contenders. I -- what you're saying. That deploying. On a discreet about it."

" He'd appreciate the fact that you -- so closely and that you felt comfortable to call sharp break we'll be back to will Austin for a expert prep charter school in a moment on AM 680 WRKO. Welcome back Tom Finneran and Wendy Murphy a listening to -- forum the sun has broken the skyline you're going to need every bit of it today it is freezing out the F. Wendy's in her flannel pajamas cute as a button and will -- co director Rex -- prep jot a school is I guessed. What a fabulous story this is well I want to go back to one point we're really coming up is to the top of the hour we'll let you go to those student Cindy and you great faculty you mentioned how you go -- recruiting teachers could you give me those numbers again."

" Yes so it depends if vineyard here how many actual positions yet available but. We start by receiving resonate like at the dispatched yours it out. From that we interview. They deny it it is -- 200. And from -- few hundred and others that are -- or more rigorous interview process which involves ample last. Is the key kind of factor in all of this is that in exchange for freedom. We have around -- is also accountability so we can hire pretty much anyone we want who asked. She teacher education might should and had to be yank. And its argument yeah -- good."

" And you can fire them without having you and down your back."

" Yeah and end it there there that well. I --"

" Hey there you go well with lots and believe it or not the time flies when you have so much -- the good news is everyone -- listen -- some people only -- of the interviews some might have had. The the benefit of all of it. They can go to wrko.com. Click on the audio evolve and listen to the entire -- of this interview I think -- probably go along a long way -- two -- helping to spread the message of -- out of school land I'm a fan as you know out of what you've been doing over there for several he has so it's been a delight to have is -- we'll let you get back to the students. And -- and I'll take a break now because the news is next at the top of the hour Steve side -- right around the caught up. -- old bailout ES saw no Wendy's on the -- what else is no. And that we'll talk with Stephen try to get windy down off the legend among Madani and six AD WRKO."