Barbara Anderson 9-16-08

" Now on the line is Barbara Anderson from citizens for limited taxation I know that. I got a I got an email from -- her friend -- today at about 630 was he was boldly Barbara about the story. And I can't say I was to please with a myself but -- just forget it puts you you want to sort of defend the the people who were rough. Bankrolling this at a much at a much lower rate by the way in the public sector unions are bankrolling the other side of the issue."

" Okay that it -- landing -- out of state cook's back anti income tax five and that's flashes this crock pot I'm thinking. Gee I sent a hundred dollars but it's like it to be in state cook and crackpots. I guess I do."

" Barbara I'm a crackpot to. Most analysts think you would meet talk right now I would guess 7080% of the people listening duster crackpots or coax. They are wrong that. Since when the have to be a crackpot to want to give yourself a five point 3% pay increase."

" Yeah I would recommend everybody look at direct contacts form from last year. And then what -- you pay an income taxes witnesses fully implement it did two years that's which it no longer have to pay. A good thing about our appetite Eliot immediate so little until 2000 dollars I am not in this sort of funny. I don't care how much I get back. I just want them to pay for having taken our income tax and all we want it with a 5% rate. And the voters voted for income tax rate of 5% they kick the can."

" Right this was that we voted for that that that fight that 5% cut eleven years after we were told that the -- that the income tax. Increase was a temporary measure. So now we are nineteen years out from the the temporary. Measure being passed in -- still temporary."

" That's right and it's still five point 8% and so therefore if I figure if they don't want to do 5% then let's do do well."

" You you know the other thing -- that -- and you know they talk that this is a big year for change -- everybody able to Republicans and that the Democrats are talking about change. It seems to me that this is the only way to change. The state government and mass choose to -- every week. There're these they're these stories you know last week it was the guys. Stealing the Longfellow bridge I mean whoever thought that we -- Point where they they would start stealing bridges. They."

" LA type I adult job they have kind of -- value but I anticipated -- David. -- forward."

" I've got Britain I could sell you all beach with the junkyard and Everett where I've got the bridge stashed right now."

" It just gets better and better I -- at the point now where I'm not asking anybody to be paid out just stayed quiet keep that up until November 4."

" There was one more -- skip yeah what what police people how to divide by around my way to the poll."

" Yeah and you want it I know that we have to read Deval Patrick has is such courage to take on. The police details wink wink nudge nudge because there's literally everything going to happen to the police beat it's right."

" Well I don't know I have a competitive theory on this. That you know I'm no big default packet and I still waiting for my property tax cut. But I think part of as a private sector mentality I don't think he's afraid of the union technology supposed to be afraid of the union. I think what he's been doing on this planet GIC and other health insurance -- with the unions have been resisting having the states and can't find it state plan. I think he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves giving them any chance to be reasonable minor changes here at least details. On. Men not mandatory. Going along with AG IC will give you our chance to vote on this. And then went it was perfectly clear and the fact he unions will not cooperate in any way whatsoever for even the tiniest little changed. And I think he's going to be willing to commit and makes some big changes if people vote yes. On question one which kind of dip in the -- He -- asking for the tools but I think when people have made it clear how angry they are. It's sort of -- like Nixon to China I think you will be willing to come up with some real changes in the pensions systems in the health insurance. "

" I hope you're right Barbara model was doing it more optimistic than I yes."

" I would have been that way and I have to tell you in your -- entirely I have always been. Been wrought by house is that you have always been right."

" There 182 Mike Karen it is your turn and and again I I just want to see let's talk about child I was part of what trip about this earlier in the day and he -- some of the stuff in the email let's talk about where the money to fight question one is coming from which is coming in at the rate of what 567. Times what the the rate of the -- The that the probe question one -- and crackpots are supplied where's the money coming from barber."

" I'm sure you -- surprised to hear shocked even the two year. That one million dollars of the 1000500. Cash contributions and diluted 45000. -- in kind contributions came from. Just didn't sources. Both out of state. At a 150 Kooks have posts no they weren't happy and proud holly the battle because miles splash headline and Harold and short."

" I'm -- I'd prefer Kooks I'd prefer dealing with Kooks and crackpots."

" I do myself. Again messages -- decide -- little the captain Scott. And they out of -- the best education association the American federation of teachers solidarity month. They have been giving money to a Massachusetts teachers and and and public employees to fight question one."

" And and this is money that that is that is given that is assessed by of union members they don't have any choice about this. He -- that you couldn't be a non crackpot and -- on -- and you're still going to have to pay. -- was tough to fight question one even though you might be voting for."

" you can be an interstate. Cook -- and state."

" And whatever it that PG union people are you get -- To do this stupid I remember having belt campaign we've ever had to cut taxes -- back to prop two and a half the out of state teacher unions has --"

" Millions of dollars into our state to fight our ballot questions."

" I -- I don't under I don't understand what the difference why it's a big deal for a bar for a Carla Howell and a Michael cloud to be getting money from out of state out of staters when the other side is getting money from out of staters and it's apparently not. You're not supposed to criticize them for this."

" What you have to understand is we have a brother put -- would have a union of taxpayers all over the country people with sympathy we get it because we are all. Tax -- and we're all happy -- how we want any kind of limitation or cut or decrease in the rate of growth. We're all with up against the same enemies the public employee unions. So we don't help each other I would not to Washington they want Montana Howard Jarvis came here -- California. Help but kick off proposition two and a half we all -- because it do -- involved with any of that."

" 1877469432218774694322. And again Barbara it is the only way here you're never gonna get any change year Armenia you have even even we want people try to do the right thing like mumble -- cracked down on the fire unions. Middle of the crap piece taken. You know and and add an another another firefighter -- arrested for drunk driving over the weekend. And mostly about. And I drove I was right at that intersection about five hours before before they had that this such terrible auto accident they're involved in the -- fire for allegedly drunk firefighter in the allegedly drunk guy he struck. You know mean this is it that is in in the the this is a public sector union that doesn't want to be changes we saw yesterday. With the police unions they don't want any changes mean there's only one way to get anything done here."

" Well there's there's two ways acting we can do question one and forced -- change while there's still wiggle room to get something done or we can wait until witnessed situation of that little -- California. It is not declaring bankruptcy. Because the amount of money going out for public employee health insurance and pensions is more any amount of revenue coming in general Condit declaring bankruptcy. And how much -- do you think that's going to do the police and firemen and it teaches that there. Without -- detentions and other cities that comes just don't really basically economic aid that anymore."

" it nice that death for any Joyce former head of the mass convention center authority has a big enough pension that he can have a Condo in Pompano Beach. And go down two zip Condoleezza murder trial every day and now Miami. It sinks the 8000 a year pension. He's like about sixty resolved."

" On where to file legislation this year that's going to -- that. If topic of politically to have pensions they had not Kabila to start clapping until they -- DH that the rest of -- and start to collect on -- and consists of security was to be its parent after the 62. And I've also that the going to be. Figured out determine the amount to they're getting the same way ourselves security determined by the average of our working yet not to be highest -- about the enough. We -- we're going to file legislation and battle easier question what passes when alleged staged a packet have to figure out how to put to -- questioned what our idea will be sitting there. And there are a lot of ideas and recouped all over the state like the pioneer institute of the beacon -- to -- that they were -- testify now. With the dot governor -- fact that they tell all kinds of ideas. Into the -- taxpayer foundation at all kinds of ideas there are without direct many tax increases -- fighting tax cut to died neat idea."

" tax -- foundation says of them this morning's herald story it's very troubling the piece of staters are giving money to question one forces from their."

" You know it's very cabinet met taxpayers foundation called the -- the taxpayers foundation to build. The fact it does have good ideas that never get implemented and it's the business has given all kind of money because up all the seaports. And the report that -- get ever get paid any attention to because why should village state to pay attention that got any money. -- come January and maybe they'll be running around looking for those seaport. Looking for the state employee let a good idea last year nobody laughed data looking at for the taxpayers who called village there's the good ideas. And nobody saying it's somebody have a good idea I think I want to do that now."

" 18774694322. Will be on the year after we go leave we leave in the Boston. Now on Cape Cod will still be on WC RN AMA thirty error we can listen always listen to us on the Internet and how we car dot com. Go to live audio streaming we got four lines here Barbour -- talked about this question one. Don your next with Howie -- and Barbara Anderson from citizens for limited taxation go ahead Don."

" And a question a lot of what's -- matches what Google a lot of working on etiquette. Currently new patent state compact in Connecticut then ducked out from our our what we thought about -- in the dark. It bought back so hot that it except we stopped they connect."

" Well that's a good -- that's a good question Barbara you know the answer."

" And let somebody has to question on the ballot to kill the Connecticut contacts I would assume felt."

" Where he's wants north he can be housing and is he going to build a write off this the Connecticut income tax if other Massachusetts income taxes gone."

" got up off against what -- to -- getting NAFTA I think attacks there won't even be at. Executed income tax form."

" No but Don you get dog you get you what you're saying is you get to write off whatever you pay a you get the balance -- off against what you would be paying in Massachusetts correct tortures I --"

" A duck what benefited from Egypt wop that thing to call wait if -- debate connect -- and the dark anyway. And an album about what about the war in Connecticut."

" It's that. -- could never quite proud of the -- how we think about those people who. Live in places like Connecticut errors more more and more New Hampshire the -- the conducted -- work and it parent could tap. They won't have to do detain or thought they intend to people in New Hampshire who won't have to pay -- to state income tax the law would not."

" I think I think we Don those does speak for a lot of WA -- and listeners who worked -- I don't we don't know the answer that question -- except that -- what about how about your neighbors. How. Dare you ask what are the -- by by voting yes."

" I'm going to the -- a -- that anyways. Want you to get over I'm not going to profitable sport."

" Thanks thanks one doesn't would that type of like people who will live side open Massachusetts."

" Which is our highest tax states in the country to Connecticut which is the highest tax statement at what are they."

" Well I mean it's you know what's it's different out of western mass I mean it's you know when you we -- about western -- you go to Connecticut to go to the airport you know it's just did this the two states added that. It's like eastern mass in New Hampshire it's it's the same area basically. The -- metropolitan area."

" Connecticut taxed the highest."

" 18774694322. Dave your next -- powered car and Barbara Anderson from citizens for limited taxation go ahead Dave."

" About paragraph -- days ago. We we get. That we. Visual. Election officials that. We get these Kooks and wackos to have -- answered Albert in their money they're -- sign holders from the fire fighting arrest them. A although Robert that effort to better right that we really -- they think about that you know it's perfectly okay. And I paid taxes in bowl day you know so certainly got a letter might start for -- Ilia yeah."

" It's what it works isn't it when they do it it's their first amendment rights when we do it. It's an attack on these the political traditions of the nominal."

" A situation where everybody got all economic refugees -- Massachusetts would have to answer now. And now they want all the services and all the taxes let it. Oh what we got -- vehicle back when you came from -- still have sidewalks drastic you know. You know it it's it's crazy -- Massachusetts didn't work because I have to put so much -- every year figured out my map taxes. The all China Hosni formal law. Like this last year they got it that's right it's available thousand dollars -- regular normal but on the web site accounts and also very happy. All -- Yeah I mean and I like it would drive through the place you know."

" Barbara. And I. Don't get it right. Do of course he doesn't its taxation without representation isn't it. Well I thought we part of oral that I that's right it was called the revolution. Thanks for the call they've robbed your next with Howie Carr and Barbara Anderson go ahead rob."

" They're calling from the pack sample of the US Vermont. Yeah. Couple comments that question. In how we respond appeared Vermont about twenty years ago responsibility temporary sales tax. At least don't -- it you know two liberal thinkers you know and I think compared forever. --"

" Yet there were there is no such thing as temporary when it comes to taxes right Barbara just like -- right there's no sunset. It's the land of the midnight sun when it comes the sun setting taxes."

" Is my question out on its actual you know any day by. I'm looking at a seaside air on one side is the income tax on the other side of the property. That goes down at a goes up so I don't really think he'd get ahead and so I think probably of the two people taxes. In my -- mind and the people -- speak to the property taxes or you don't want let's bring out one damper. Or a look at -- and it really."

" You have to realize that in Massachusetts we have finished petition positive we created a lot back in 1980 to limit our property taxes that are still in effect. So I can't imagine that the legislature getting them both from people to stay. He'll be income tax and take that as a sign that the people want their property tax --"

" And and -- we have a governor who was just elected claiming he was gonna cut down the property taxes and since since she's got in the office he hasn't mentioned it not once. And the other thing too is -- Sarah -- had an advantage over the governors of governor Douglas of Vermont Governor Patrick of Massachusetts. -- a lot of oil revenue coming and we don't we don't have that. That option here. Thanks for the call rob Mary you're next with how we card Barbara Anderson go ahead Mary."

" Yes I am as a teacher in Massachusetts. Short of having you come to my school to explain why. That needs to be asked. Could you give me an argument explanation thanking gifted teachers I go to the union rally."

" I think explanation. Specifically geared toward teachers. Like the good -- to ask that because that I am -- not to tell you that only goal and we talk by the big properly terrible thing it is that they get that the state income tax. Well they said painting of that proposition two and a half an income tax back over the teaching union and that doesn't necessarily mean individual teachers or taxpayers also. All want to -- what is -- possibly -- for higher benefits higher paid."

" And -- Lifelong health insurance not sure that's fine put them would've thought the great for the rest of us."

" Where every want to stick around we sort of power lines. Okay everybody go to AMA thirty WC RM AM 830 that's what we continue with the eastern and central -- on how we are. 18774694322187746943. Feet to the ball. Still open for another. Our war and about 43 minutes so it's not too late to get down. Two your precinct and that casting a ballot either the democratic Republican primaries. And."

" Of course be nice to -- John Kerry a little pickle here you know today if I can make one minute more pitch for you know just being mischievous. Creating a little halfback for John care. 1877. Given something else that to explain diamond DC 18774694322. Witnesses Barbara Anderson the chairman of citizens for limited taxation. And -- she's here there's a story in the my paper today calling up people who were contributing to while -- the question one. Campaign account question one of course would abolish the state income tax of five point 3% give everybody in the state who works five point 3% increase by doing away with the tax. My papers calling the -- and crackpots and it's just that it's crazy and and did people being attacked for being out of state. And that's you know again when one when they sent busloads of people for Massachusetts up to New Hampshire to campaign that's just good that's just good American exercise your first amendment rights. When one gaze from San Francisco one new York's and a money and to what traded try to make sure there is no. Referendum question on gay marriage that's again first amendment rights they -- money into while. Try to protect a -- state representative first amendment rights. Use in money and out into Massachusetts to try to what doorway with -- and compact your coconut crackpot. It's it's ridiculous Barbara what does that -- what does the how to people get in touch with your organization of that like to want to know more about citizens for limited taxation."

" Well they go to our web site. Www. -- PG dot org we just spoke with citizens for limited taxation at our web site has everything in need to know it got a whole section on page abuses would be called a ticking time bomb. It'll affect the mask packs its foundation and where their money comes from. And a of course we're going to defect in the budget that you learn how to analyzes state budget. And we have a link to repeal question what campaign is -- but he wants to go there aren't in get involved. -- that citizens for limited taxation or www. -- peachy dot org or they can call us at 58. 384 at 100."

" Give that number one more time at 8. 84100. John you're next with how we card Barbara Anderson from citizens for limited taxation go ahead John."

" Howard a yes priority. -- what I -- And for sure. Prepared 5%. -- you for so long and maybe part -- what it costs. That I don't have an answer for you -- taxation for a different states yes. I was I was discharge -- maybe in reward for a major problem in Hawaii. And we came back here through New Hampshire. And I editor Robin mass transit. So investors so they're about part point 8% to Africa. Will. Be 1214 years ago. And I got expelled from Massachusetts in a warden. Or they're Russian -- for -- In order illustrate the syntax. Investors -- point eight. We're there were attacked from all states but I think. So we paid these ministers this tax we -- right off. The light. Okay."

" But in the either way you wouldn't have lost he'd get messages to expand."

" We're would have lost -- it would prepare money Massachusetts ordered the remainder. Sort over 205 point 8% to rescue effort to Whitman took 4% to 3% or."

" Right so you'd still you know want to come you still come out ahead if this thing you've been a ballot back then."

" Exactly so is -- gentleman for the call critic if it's messages historic spot or 3% in Connecticut has our reported mister Nichols a way -- world have to say. The five point 8% to Connecticut to -- not mr."

" I want Barbara was thinking about that that guy's question the guy that lives in Massachusetts who works in Connecticut the other thing about it is most of the states and have no income tax tend to be more prosperous -- the states that do have an income tax. They tend to be more active economically. Whirlwind than the other states like Texas Florida New Hampshire and you don't maybe the guy wouldn't have to go across the border to Connecticut to work if they would -- if they did away if we did away with the income tax may be the the economy would take off like it has in the states would no income taxes."

" They're setting where the argument to that car policy making and what they get past IE you know you -- It sent out by Carol that I start looking at the potential for economic growth -- Massachusetts to -- content stayed around and that of course is also. The argument that. That in a state where people are taking control have a little -- we expect. -- legislature. Maybe -- little more like New Hampshire. Where we don't have a culture of corruption like we have hit back to --"

" It's an autocracy that's what it's become so you know we were just going to take twelve billion dollars off the table that's twelve billion dollars less for them to try to steal."

" Government out of out bureaucrats -- for the politicians and and it up into the rest of us the services here are not edited New Hampshire New Hampshire services abetted attacks -- well but at the lowest. Other states I like to look at it Tennessee at Washington State very much like us -- dispute by the states not people."

" Escape to no income tax what it is not a high tax state no income tax. Why can't we be like New Hampshire. "

" I'd be I I don't know -- once stole a -- New Hampshire recently I don't think so. That's I guess those are those some of the better bet at Atlantic but I. Don't. Don't take his gift if questioned one passes cool you call would you be abridged stolen. How about those bridges the world fall through the cracks and not be stolen Barbara repeating -- because. -- don't care whether -- Steve your next with Howie Carr and Barbara Anderson from citizens for limited taxation go ahead Steve."

" They're about you -- Internet and it. -- you you know one you know on the conservative become. Cocky all the time flight to the right of -- on. But if you came out with. Some sort of -- and it shows how would go to paid for the things that even -- like -- est -- they'll have to people like. Prisons and the court system and the state police and things that I've come -- you know ally at."

" I think -- for important topic of the court systems the visit -- resume large. -- for the district courts could be shut down."

" All you'll -- in this state. Look at a profitable -- that we would open fields and copy -- yeah."

" Audi AG is that the AG is the one who's prosecuting but -- mean what. I did however go by these district court like Palmer district court -- district court there's never anybody there except the -- work in the courthouses."

" Oh what I'm saying that the book in -- and I'm taking my ball on going on in deep -- five point three wood is what this whole thing added there was more on the planet eight. This is how you've been paid for the state without an income tax advocate a lot of people body -- you little. -- that that the LT position where angry because we don't get any respect. Act as a tax payers in this state without that -- that'll work for a that you have a -- here. You can vote yes on question one. And then everyone else settled down and try to find the best way to -- on -- kind of might that they they used to run a state in New Hampshire many other states. Court he couldn't bend -- and pounded do acute get voting choices on the it would seek out which what are you gonna do. -- need to -- soccer and a we're all and get to ask for it or are you that -- back and vote yes on question one. -- excited that's both good on the painting part one thing at the people in the state you're trying to reach which are sort of the I'm a little reluctant -- getting screwed Steve I think everybody who have to get screwed diverting all of a -- I don't and I did not only that regarding our ability to function. As a commonwealth because we take it and taking it because I -- thinking people not like those those folks and those votes crackpots who really. But -- them money I'll -- the state. I have to pick would ever want to Michael we can't fight back because. -- distinct kind of money like all the other states have more money and then -- services and we do you think Steve. People like -- a lot more -- from the bureaucrats and the teachers union. And the politicians people -- get it. Give them what they need to make fools of at all so I don't know we will catalogue somehow without chip out and and over."

" Thanks for the call Steve is -- chip a chip was going to be on chip and chip what do way. One HC chip off Ford was on the line their for a little while I don't know what happened to them. Billiard next with Howie Carr and -- emissions from citizens for limited taxation go ahead bell."

" The little those he has covered in a bad mood right now. No I didn't get an -- I don't have bad believe it is not I'm used to liberals -- apology due to put on a Kenya people who should know better. I -- can -- I think that really taught me over the edge. We're real quick Lebanon on a lot of rumors at the state. They're looking it has a two billion dollar deficit right now that their weight behind the revenues aren't did. And that sit in on that after the election value inherent anything like that also. Antarctica and I -- become pretty well known that -- if you kept it it definitely you can -- my -- plus the deficit put beyond Bridget and go. The states spoke basically end -- going to do anything."

" Are you -- Are we have to make sure Freeney Joyce gets that monthly checks we can keep going down the zip -- trial every day from -- his Condo in Pompano Beach. You -- deprived for any choice the tin whistle player -- the end of of his of -- 68000 dollar a year pension it's the least we can do for him after his career in public service."

" get hit which have to understand if if question what does not passed. It just doesn't mean spate -- well cover article on the way we have been going on there will be a tax increase next year because the legislature will take that -- no -- As a sign that the -- in the state will put up with anything. And pepper they can do whatever they want and it might as well raise taxes again the topic -- that there --"

" I order off I agree that's the that that's the way you'll be seen. I mean they'll be -- they'll say that the people are satisfied they're -- that's 52. Yet at the thinking of the thinking people were thinking people know that we deserve to have bunker hill day off. -- we need district courts not so much to prosecute criminals."