Tom Tancredo and John Sununu 9-11-08

" Senator soon thanks for joining us good afternoon good afternoon and you know -- I kind of expected -- that you -- bringing someone with you. President Bush. Amid an ever see you want TV anymore are involved in Boston without President Bush trailing right behind -- what you're obviously watching a lot more -- No he's he's not here today. How how was the Kim I know I know you when it's 99 elevenths but I just have to ask you what how how was the campaign goat it's what's been great summer --"

" Any time you can -- be at home. Four. Six straight weeks you know campaigning -- with people -- Hampshire I mean they're parades. You know civic meetings rotary clubs plant -- They're just great events because -- you're looking people in the -- talking to them about things. That he might be working on Washington listening to them. So that you understand now how -- that thinking about energy issue about the economy about health care issues national security. And and that's a great part of the job mean he come here in Washington. It's it's an exciting environment but the most important part of the jobs -- touch with people. Working hard for the people you care about being in your own state and dad being home and hand."

" Her for six weeks was terrific. Where where -- down here as you know for this this this implement illegal immigration conference that takes place every year and initiate as you also know from pocket of people for all summer long in New Hampshire and all year long. This a major issue New Hampshire illegal aliens especially in the the the southern cities like like Manchester and natural particularly. -- it is sick."

" Look I think many people. Started. Focusing on the issue when we tried to move to very large bills over the last couple of years. And they started thinking about it more and more. I I very much believe having doctor a lot of people New Hampshire. What gets people emotional. First and foremost is one. The concern. That the government doesn't do a good job on our borders this is an issue of government competence effectiveness efficiency you know the idea that we might have people. For drugs who wore -- illegal activity coming across the borders that we that we don't know. And over the course of the debates. I think it became clear that the most people in the country certainly -- a majority. One and asked to do a better job with that security whether it meant better technology. More people at the border customs immigration. We had to restore a little bit confidence and then there's another very emotional aspect of this which is. That -- the law should apply to everyone that that people should play by the rules and cannot deal with it as a as a senator and and even to -- house member all the time we work with many families. That do everything this to play by the rules they follow every rule every regulation to immigrate legally. Whether it's for them to work but it's for a family member -- oftentimes we'll get a response you know they've gotta wait three months six months eight months to years whenever it is. And to sort of circumvent the process for people have broken the law. That you singularly under way in the Leo it was that are doing it had all they have to do -- drop of baby in their -- like they get it's like AM this. Heidi -- the birthright citizenship. Alec it's the constitution. And I don't they were -- and -- constitutionally the movies that you wouldn't of my understanding is it's like it's. Court it's it's a court decision interpreting the constitution. Hey I haven't seen any any proposals to change it you know short of amending the constitution so that -- look at I think. And that's not the problem -- with the problem is we're not doing what we should do. On the borders -- going to restore confidence there. That -- legal immigration programs we have that are important our economy they're they're important I certainly support them they don't work very well. -- if those don't work well then you're creating an incentive. For people trying to break the --"

" 1877469432218774694322. Best toll free number of -- our show senator John Sununu was what you want to take some -- loosen them happy to take a couple -- Tim -- next with Howie -- and senator John -- go -- them."

" It's him. -- months you still know glad I don't. Yeah I -- don't take. That they get an illegal immigrant crime buildings. Are. There was el Salvadorian. Illegal aliens working at the editor. In my old idea. Until they found a couple of security. In the end. Yeah you will listen. That it has. They. Edwards you know he checked with kidnapping. Exactly a topic and I year old special needs child. Taking a tropical playground ball in my that would that up right. There -- well. But he can't 15000 dollars bail. A trip for kidnapping for most talked about that both eight and nine year old girl."

" Jointly you know here's the here's the problems that are eight an American who commits identity fraud -- is is going to prison in all likelihood will write this guy's got five emotional -- right yet they and he anyhow these Social Security -- later the integrity of the Social Security system that's. Got to be fixed. If not now. Could the court's going to court steal the situation like this has got -- going to be fixed your ability to deport someone who's illegal and has broken no law that's going to be it improved. So that someone can just get out on bail and and commit a crime in this case that at all of these. Undermine people's confidence in and the way we work and it's. It's the public is public safety under my hat absolute more important absolutely and it's just wrong trip to want to. -- dress. Twelve million people that are here illegally to try to set up a special system for them. Without addressing all of these other issues first the that the problem is in the -- people won't have any confidences that that senate bill. I know it didn't pass but it had a provision and I believe was inserted there -- so -- supported by Senator McCain. Which would've allowed illegal aliens would work to undo it with with full week Social Security numbers. Two count them -- quarters. To collect social and can enter and you know threatened to do what I is that you what's -- go to prison for doing that and they want to give them a pension. I can't explain that and who is that was one of the many many problems with the bill mean they'll put this size of the bill was a problem to start why we couldn't deal with the security issues and technology issues and border coalition's first. Fix the programs for legal immigration second and and then. You know and try to work today that if you get people legal. Or it give them an opportunity to leave the country get legal whatever you want to do but. There to have such a large bill it sank under its own weight and and I do think that was the right thing and which is why you post it. 18774694322. Chris your next -- how we cards senator John -- Republican of New Hampshire go ahead duck press."

" Yet I outweighed write editor and am convinced him. I I love what I preach about appreciate that he. Editors in into effect yet very logical growth in Europe -- it's very understandable amount -- in her stomach and still I don't."

" He uses enough words you know he should be more like Joe Biden. Keep repeating himself over and over again."

" And I think it will be how he's -- senator could substantiate it is that I did he beat all three and hit me here. In the US and."

" IA I am and that's the only one with an engineering degree I know worked as an electrical engineer for a couple of years before going to business school and then working for the manufacturing firm Manchester Howard and I were talking about earlier it it helps to have that technical background look I think you want more perspectives different perspectives and not if you -- here in Washington and that this is -- the -- Let alone congress dominated by lawyers and that's not healthy not defer our economy. That engineering background helps -- if we're dealing with energy issues. Telecommunications. And you know -- the Internet through one of the things I work on a long time and in week with success was to write the legislation. That bans Internet access taxes and taxes on email and Internet services this is very important are our economy. Not just nationally but globally and and we we got a seven your band put into place along this one would ever had to the engineering background comes in handy. I am also. Despite the fact they turn 44 yesterday. I am the youngest day thank you I and the youngest member of the United States senate but I I do still have more experience than Barack Obama."

" He said. Thanks for the call Chris thank Matt you're next with how we car and senator John Sununu go ahead --"

" Q Ari connect these senators do I want to ask senators -- figure out Op Ed about you've played free trade act. And I've seen videos of your own -- changed -- not injuring my options on. You have any idea why she's supporting."

" Well look she's always -- Tight with that there's union leadership. And this is something that they want very very badly what is what titles are referred took it takes away their right of employees to have a secret ballot all ended -- they want to be represented by a union you'd you'd just have to sign a card in public. And look if you have to declare yourself in public it's like going into the a quote polling place and having to tell everyone mayor who you're voting for -- a reason why we -- curtains in the polling -- it opens things up to intimidation from other employees from the employee are and who knows the secret ballot is fundamental to our. Form of elections and in democracy we've got to protect it. This bill it would be terrible because it would take away that secret ballot I'm against the bill changing unit's board. And it he would just run for their workers themselves he knew he media member of congress that would say oh yeah we should get rid of the secret ballots for from my election. Of course not it's wrong fundamentally wrong when you're running for US senate. Or or whether you're a worker in a factory trying to decide who you want to represent you when union negotiations. Thanks for the call -- that's a good question Dave you're next with how we car and senator John Sununu go ahead Dave."

" I. Good afternoon. And thank you. I have one question I haven't any. Written or you'd. You're a court order. Editor of current governor."

" But look we need a Republican governor in and Joe is it is a great candidate theater understand one fundamental thing. And that is New Hampshire is the best place to live and work and raise a family because we have the lowest taxes in the country we still believe. In local control. Beyond and as a result of limiting the size of government over the last. Thirty years mostly under Republican governors we have the lowest crime rate in the low poverty rate and it's just a wonderful place to live. In just. For years we've seen. We've gone from a surplus in New Hampshire to -- 200 million dollar deficit. Spending increased seventeen and a half percent. -- that the Democrats that you you know relatives -- legislature have had put all of our great track record of success in controlling spending and tax is in jeopardy. And in the only way we're gonna reverse that is with Republican governor who like you can. Thanks for the call Dave thank you very much great to be here."

" My pleasure -- run I do have to it will do want to take one more call it one more call okay -- tuned -- your next anything for you how -- that's a vote for your if you came 1 morning all of your list in the south. Doug your nice without regard senator John Sununu go ahead get."

" Well Bengali our governor our benefits and I appreciate your time want to play -- question that I had a lot of ground level. -- moved to the state many years ago when -- that governor you know elated that. I'd Bob Hope we talked about the Republican governor and only -- now. And you know I don't know what you do here currently on the -- that kind of help dean -- keep your -- Virginia --"

" Well look it get attacked her friends about this things that you know are important to New Hampshire and national. If it's small business growth and opportunity we want to keep the economy in New Hampshire strong we've got to keep taxes on small business slow. Capital gains taxes personal income tax is death taxes gene -- did a press conference yesterday where she announced she wants to bring the death tax back from the dead. We you know we've seen we've got the legislation in place today to repeal that -- is if she wants to bring -- back and when you do that you don't just -- owner of the small business but everyone who works works for that business -- Stockton and about the work I've done Internet tax ban. Talked to them about how important it is to have someone who's not a lawyer was going to manufacturing background engineering background includes -- I I think the -- word of mouth. It is one of the most powerful things in politics and people often forget that their neighbors -- friends and co worker would you -- sale of the campaign for you -- guy I know she's going to and I'm looking forward to it John McCain as well they're both very strong in New Hampshire because in New Hampshire people want -- want -- I think -- number electricity. I don't know if that would really be appropriate how -- but at this -- dying. I don't know if I've ever denied a request."

" Thank you thank you out I guess I'm sort of a constituent -- well and Spirit absolutely well I got complacent Lincoln. Oh really -- well the how many how many homes you have. Not as many as many if not as many as John McCain let me put it somewhere -- Bob -- and hard -- and a -- residency. Okay thank you senator Sununu we appreciate your is always a pleasure thank you okay 18774694322. On how we started. 1877469432. -- Everybody stop and everybody out here now but while what I what I rush we've got that going on here they have Roger. Roger Hitchcock is glad to see demand that's sitting to my left because he's good ideas on your show they absolutely were grabbing him after you. Yeah yeah. Its first -- so we have but soon to guess in this segment. We have Roger Hitchcock from KO GO in see NBA go easy you know him from Moscow -- for rush for all those many times in his time. And also was. Congressman Tom Tancredo."

" Never filled in for anybody actually -- you know I'm sorry to say it. Do you could probably -- actually and I have talked about as a leader I -- have done this and I've always felt very intimidated by I didn't fill in several times for folks in Denver it's macros and others and I must tell you it's much easier to be on this side have always determined beside the microphone than yours. Yeah I used to think that but did you get used to it after awhile right Roger -- It did this is very intimidating being here with the to review on the other side we're running about Tom and no kidding well plus I need help only a pre."

" Tom we I I just try nor speak for Roger in this I think and he'll probably tell you this himself when sketch on the show with. We we do we you know we know you're leaving congress your retire and then we want to thank you for -- for all your right great work on this subject of illegal immigration and I know that. You must have felt a lot like a lot of times like you were voice in the wilderness should go home and you get that smashed around by the two. Liberal newspapers in Denver and they just major life miserable and I just thank you for thank you for a taking up the -- on this issue."

" I never felt today it was it was the lone voice because there were people like you. And Roger. And others out there in radio land that gave me a megaphone and that only that but when I wasn't there speaking they were talking about it and I I see this every time I'm on the station but I mean if from the bottom my heart. It's the only way this issue ever got brought the attention of the American public you guys did it I. -- you know I was yelling here but I have it it's a very -- hockey and so when you're on C -- thirtieth and and I believe that's total -- I need very -- to have that audience expanded and you guys always offered it and we we. Talk radio is the reason this issue ever got to the point of being the issue of the day and I mean -- sincerely Q you guys to go. Well you know what it's. Again I eat like we're talking at bay Buchanan earlier in the day it she says you guys are going to be in involved in an organization we do you leave of congress in January that's true you're gonna. Try to keep this issue on all front -- I guarantee I I assure you that. Unfortunately. This issue probably won't be solved -- problem won't be solved by whomever ends up in the White House. Unfortunately. But and that means that we will have to do a lot more work to make sure that they -- that the president whoever it may be does not have the opportunity to do anything even more harmful. Roger no yesterday on your show you you just went through one -- talked a lot of people were who worked. Victims or their families were victims of of illegal aliens in there is now they were. I mean every every week it seems like there's an atrocity of the week involving illegal alien this this week it's in your home state. Congressman Tancredo and in in Colorado and we can can you tell tell people just -- what that what is dominating the news there. The most horrible event and unfortunately. It it is not unique event these kinds of things happen of course as you know all of the country but. -- on Thursday last week and a guy driving erratically. Careened into. -- small pickup truck that was turning into a parking lot and that killed the two occupants. And then that. Truck was driven all the way into -- Baskin Robbins where there was a little three year old boy waiting to get an ice cream -- And he -- drug underneath the car. At what it in full view of his parents struck out and killed in question and you discover. The man ran. And of course it it when I heard dad. I saw her reading of the name of the guy in the next heard about it -- we had we all renewal Jeff we all that this is this is sit back cultural matter where you're from San Diego or Boston are you all know -- know we've known for joining years. Right right they start running you know exactly what time you know that that's exactly. So and and -- turns out this -- been arrested sixteen. Times and never -- never -- never -- never been mentioned -- never no communication with -- your mayor in -- trying to blame it -- up on the -- saying we have notified of a bunch of times they never came around and undermined and and in Denver never send a single piece of information never picked up the phone once -- never like San Francisco and that it -- well I hope -- and road -- AK 47 -- road rage incidents right we're hoping that that we can. Encouraged that the family members. Do exactly the same thing that we encouraged family members in San Francisco to do and they are now doing -- that is suing. The city of San Francisco suing the mayor. Because they are in violation of the law and you see when. When you do this you lose your immunity you lose governmental immunity that -- because you can't sue the city Kansas. Yes you can't win there in violation of the law and they do something you can sue them and you know what they are in violation there's a federal law against Sanctuary Cities. They are in violation that law and they should be sued and thank god somebody's taking this challenge. Chris Kovac whose by the way a wonderful guy and a great lawyer. On our side he's he's head of the defense team and this -- I'm just so happy and I'm hoping that they'll they'll follow suit in Denver I was sort of for the clips from all one of the papers today one of the Denver paper saying that this is an issue that is often loudly debated this of people don't have a right to be angry about this kind of thing yeah happening and he's right. What other papers of course they want to pretend like none of this is ever happen but they're gonna blame it on the SUV like they usually do. And SUV ran over a small -- and eyes I'm -- I. Oh gosh you guys I'm telling it is harder to an end to -- yesterday in committee well he get this. The Democrats refused to allow hearing. In the judiciary committee of people who have American citizens who have been victimized by illegal immigrants so. Steve king god bless and hope peace comes over here may be -- he has maybe stalked but the Senate never Steve king from Iowa. Held. Kind of are -- forum you know end and we'll -- it was a hearing room and everything was just exactly like it was a regular hearing except -- the single Democrat of course. Which show we want to hear -- they did not want to hear -- it was four or five I think five victims and I'm telling you. There was not a dry eye in the house when they -- because of the things as a source in Roger with your show yeah I have."

" did the same thing of these people came over and I asserted it would Jameel Shaw. Here's an like guys south central it was then that's that's -- these are the same people were -- I didn't even realize sevenths on your year old son. Coming home from the mall walking dangerous neighborhood -- says judge juries it is a black dresses and arousal resort about black guys attacking my son but. Here I heard the shots I heard the shots he walks out his front door and his son is lying in the street dead bullet in the middle of his forehead. And they can catch the guy -- and an illegal alien gang banker with the tattoo letters beat K on his neck. Became meaning black killer in that gang their designated black killers."

" And they have a -- to designate that this is where we're going on this issue. -- retaliate if we did and never. Who here I was getting myself I cannot contact owners given quote here for. The rocky mountain news across the country crimes involving illegal immigrants have become a lightning rod for criticism and fiery rhetoric. Well I've been on commissions -- being unhappy."

" Yeah but that's -- newspapers -- I'm sorry and how dare they be unhappy you know how dare you be out you that you look at this and suggest that this might indeed have in -- do with our immigration policy -- the fact that we don't have one where the fact that we don't have offense or any way to stop these people or any way to is to not. To go after employers when their hiring him. This has ya it has something to do -- any pretend that these there's these are such isolated incidents. And there are you as you know literally thousands of people who had been killed. Thousands and isn't it true in Los Angeles something like ninety."

" murder warrants. Are for illegally owned 40% of our 4045% of our felony arraignments every single day in San Diego or illegally in the country. -- 90% of the outstanding. Felony the -- murderer -- without warrants are outstanding unserved murder warrants -- served. In the city gradual living here this is your statistics. You wonder why your property -- going to -- thousands of murderers are wandering around the street would be -- Jews you know on their neck whereas Sargent Joe Friday when you. I don't know why not post retired and admit they never really say. It's got an LA."

" It's yeah it's just make -- we're talking about this earlier Roger you we couldn't any get I live. Thousands of miles from the border but I can do the same show you could do every day which is just new illegal alien crime. Everywhere and everyone here's a goes to San Diego -- time to Brownsville you know yes or places like that. Now it's everywhere there's not a community in this country. That hasn't experienced a death spiral their K twelve system. Emergency rooms closing in hospitals because of the tsunami of uninsured mostly illegal. And that the prisons have been overcrowded by people we have a 30% overcrowding rate the prison system in California. And it keeps him going to build more prisons and has evoked you know what's your problem with just the illegals you know. So -- everywhere we turn the fifteen billion dollar deficit the California budget it's illegal what I was I was read about the you know the that the stories from Sacramento you know just to see if anyone is going to mention why you're -- never do don't they never -- Schwartz he's Schwarzenegger McClintock is the only your state senator he's the only guy whoever mentioned. Why you're running for congress -- wanted to hear from him anymore and the two presidential candidates you'd think that this was not an issue anywhere in the planet. Yeah they won't answer question about it we know. When I ran for the presidency was for one purpose and one purpose only -- against them and it was two to force them to deal with this and talk about it and so I started the process in December of last year we I mean excuse me in February and ended -- in December. And in that timeframe every single one of them every single one on that stage and I went up to on and and shared. Moved from a position of mums the word on this. Two out absolutely in fact it was I was in. Somewhere in Iowa it was mid December it was cold and I was -- make dinner in this little motel room and I was watching television -- it was -- and an advertisement by Rudy Giuliani. Now this is pretty right that yes let's let's bring them all and then build the city better bigger Rudy and he says if you elect me I'll build up heads I will secure our borders he was if in favor of the virtual fence left him to explain that once CT didn't do what device."

" As faction out I let let me tell my dodger boy -- this conversation will be continued on -- another really -- yeah. Things have not always I didn't bring their but I powered that is they -- larger situation it and Congressman Tancredo thanks for your dealer again gliding over the years and John we'll see again. 18774694322. On how -- 18774694322. We have practically no time here this -- can't -- do justice anybody even -- like to try to squeeze callers and so will be taken some more calls will be joined I think by -- And Duncan Hunter from masa the Southern California little bit later and some filmmakers who've done some stuff on the yes some mob work drug documentaries. On the -- border but they'll be after the next break. If you want to join us the number is and what are we talking about the whole problem by illegal immigration. As we continue to broadcast here for much Capitol Hill and these safe. I'm Howie Carr."