Ian Bowles

" Hey welcome back Tom -- here and my co hosted the studio for today and tomorrow John Gonzales senior writer for Boston magazine. In our guest in the WRKO studio. The secretary of what makes -- say this correctly. Energy and environmental affairs Ian balls he works for and with -- Governor Deval Patrick he is on the front lines. Of issues that grip I think all of the command all of our attention now. This whole issue of energy in the relatively cheap energy which Americans have enjoyed for many many years. We think you know dollar to when he is that a gallon gasoline is on -- American birthright. And -- we see the runner up feed costs associated with gasoline and fossil fuels all of -- place in Ian -- yes supposed to make sense of that on behalf of all of us. Put working with the governor come up what's good policies that will spur the economy in view hopefully yeah Massachusetts citizens that people all around the world. Shot at new generations of clean green fuel and hopefully not too expensive fuels well how do you handle all that tell us. What's that what's most interest in view on the front lines of clean renewable energy Massachusetts."

" But what's most interest in me -- thank you for a man believed to be here is the opportunity economic opportunity for Massachusetts what we have here. Second only to California in them out private venture capital going into energy technology quarter billion dollars last year. 14000 jobs almost 600 firms there's a lot of innovation in Massachusetts is every reason. To be the state that is to disproportionate beneficiary in terms of jobs and economic growth of this transition now I think all of us have been clock caught flat footed. By the dramatic increase in the cost of of energy just think about it. Oil trading at a 135 dollars a barrel went five years ago was treating it point knows -- mean. What are the commodity in our daily life -- has such a meteoric rise in terms of of price so I think all of us have been a little flat footed and behind the curve. And the -- tennis put us out ahead of the curve we can capitalists and you guys have speaking of loyalty guys have Joe Kennedy on a watch list somewhere for his relationship -- Chavez like I have a picture of him. Now widely read the new shipping I don't watch that I should I tell us which -- the foreign policy to the -- I you know I mean I think that it people have so many opinions about energy overseas just killing people right now the cost of it you know and I. Generally put a lot of that on the doorstep of the Bush Administration we haven't done much we've subsidize big oil instead of the taking the time. Over ten years to develop alternatives and bring those to the market were now trying to do that here at the state level but we're behind or should be."

" We just getting started out as the voice of the governor. EU would mention that the using Massachusetts is well positioned and I'm not surprised to hear that California will be competitive for a lot of reasons California is just -- operate at a scale that is. Beyond our imagination yet but the venture capital and the jobs that already exist. Are encouraging -- he. How far in my behind the curve one a think of Massachusetts not having. What I would call eight climate advantage of for so many years of touchy Arizona New Mexico. Not just with the -- that you would have with familiar with the oil and mineral deposits of Texas and in Louisiana and some other states. But I I think I continue to think of just huge expanses available for soul -- and yet easy to say really with a confident to note of optimism -- don't don't second guess Massachusetts we are going to be on the cutting edge and will be a disproportionate beneficiary is inadequate that strikes me as a little bit. At odds with my thinking and I'm I'm I'm -- to admit I've been told that my thinking Israeli outdated."

" We don't have the world deposits mineral deposits the -- we have the brainpower of the deposits of brainpower the centers of excellence where a lot of these jobs -- can be created we're never going to be the place that -- although oil or in fact has the largest number of solar panels but we do we are the place where a lot of this technology -- developed the world up to build big companies and -- a lot of people. We'll -- solar. That there's a common misperception that we don't have enough sunlight to use a lot of -- we do for solar electricity it doesn't really matter as much where you are for solar. Thermal power hot water heating and all that it doesn't matter if you're in the southwest -- more advantageous there's so but you know I think that. How many solar panels gets installed here -- around the country. To my mind that's less of the issues then the economic opportunity in all the jobs are going to be created to sell these products around the world."

" In what about when farms is obviously done a lot of debate Massachusetts especially on the tape about informs. Is that something that we can look to in the future as renewable energy resource for four to come off."

" We can in fact it's have all these renewable energy in terms of available technology today wind is the biggest one they can get a lot of megawatts I'm. Utility scale power plants. Wind is really whether that's going to come from and a lot of that's going to come from offshore we have off of New England. Huge amount of wind resource as you say sort of where blows a lot so while that's going to come and deeper water wind. Q when is in many ways the beginning of that I think he'll end up seeing the industry go further offshore. Because it's very difficult to say these things some people love the idea of when power. In the abstract but if -- near their home people and so enthusiastic about it and you know I think we've seen that we're behind the curve where other states are you settle a lot of wind growth in places like Texas and the Dakotas even where there's a lot of good wind and."

" What about was gonna say what about there is some debate about the aesthetic. Issues I remember when I was covering the campaign governor had a picture on his wall and from a distance you could see the wind turbines and -- give him the the academy is that is that something that's been overblown -- I would say great one overblown."

" You know I think that it's in the eyes of the beholder right John imagine this -- if you're out in Europe -- many -- of the rest of the world wind turbines are. Ubiquitous -- him all the time that part of landscape used to hear people having venues and I give a lot of credit to our friends of Debbie Debbie in Dorchester. Where you drive by it every day you're helping people to get used to it -- the solitude to -- now runs up the starting -- pop up I think you will be used to them and they'll say we know. Mike Q my kids are going to have the asthma from these diesel powered or other power plants which is -- we've got their energy for. Generations you know it's cleaner but people are -- to -- used to these things."

" He which -- Ian -- he is the secretary of in time an energy and environmental affairs -- the Deval Patrick administration. He -- with the governor yesterday he signed a an energy siting bill while call of zoning bill for state waters. And the like will the signing of that bill preclude further delay cape window would cape wind be exempt from the provisions of that."

" Cape wind is exempt because as -- through the state environmental review process is now on the federal process and it's also located in federal waters of that project is unaffected by legislation the seven back that legislation first in the nation to say. What's our game plan for state waters we have a lot of waters just three miles off the coastline. Plus all of Cape Cod bay all of Buzzards Bay big areas we've got a lot of proposals to get people taking standout to put on beaches keep them beaches alive. And agriculture aquaculture -- got an LNG project off of Gloucester you've got wind projects give a lot of different competing demands in this legislation says. Okay timeout for eighteen muscles making game plan and it's creative it's very good thing -- I think start to see. More development of renewable power but it really give us as a state and opportunity in every stakeholders it would we want to see was to feature which it'll look like with a game plan to very controversial issues that are always brought up and whenever we talked about in achieved lots of people."

" Colin and I share the frustration because it seems we target good game we demand the cheap -- we have this high expectation. But then we don't want any the inconvenience the aesthetic issues -- that prop up. Other countries who I think a very environmentally sensitive. -- come to mind. And they embrace nuclear power as an option and and -- Powell supports power source. And they also -- not hesitant to do offshore drilling and you did not you know hell bent on destroying the fishery. There -- environmental sensitivity or anything else like that. What CM vols take what she our advice to the governor what's your response to Allison is when people say. When the hell are we going to get serious as a nation in embraced the total a range of options including nuclear and offshore drilling."

" I'm a -- on the -- the question I think it the it is unlikely that that. Next generation starts in New England because it's so hard to -- these things people don't want them. So you've got to. Of our facilities and going and going through re commissioning now and Vermont and plant in pilgrims. And I think you're starting to see just starting to see in the rest of the country. A little bit of a renaissance of the next generation. My view of it is it's a low carbon no carbon source of energy so as we do more about greenhouse gas emissions I think it will come back as part of the makes the reason none have been built in thirty years in the United States is this has been your cost cost it hasn't been able to compete on -- so. In in my view it is I do think it'll be part of the mix up is important noticed on the table. I'm -- drilling. You know we've had of moratorium offer New England I think that -- place now's not the time in my view to go after. The few remaining places where we've got some Fossil Energy right now the big ticket items in my mind is accelerating. Alternatives to petroleum that means biofuels that means renewable energy. And we are well behind the rest of the world in that regard and it's odd because we have every reason to be ahead we've got all the skills that technology. -- but we haven't done as much the Bush Administration has been out of step with the rest of the world on greenhouse gas emissions things like that."

" When -- catch -- to get back to the nuclear issue for second and other units that there hasn't been a new facility built in thirty years. But but you also mentioned that there are number of people and in various communities -- Who don't want them enemy there why is that is it just a fear factor the people say hey look it's you know there's -- and I want money for it."

" I think that's exactly right and I also think that we have not resolve the long term disposal of the waste questions here you are creating ways is going to be around for a hundred generations and that raises a lot of questions in people's mind and safety questions so. You know I think that in highly populated dense areas like New England it's unlikely you're gonna see these -- the first places where you directors and people -- reasonable. Reasonable concern that the Europeans are big on the right I mean why is it is certain parts as Europeans the French are in the French and music are but. But not others are and you don't see it in Germany there there have been really big guns solar and wind and all that."

" So amazing that Germany is actually the leader in solar terms are the dryer in the percentage of the Apollo that is -- and and they don't have the climate. And -- images that we were talking to -- yet yet they have taken that step so it was a big piece of the German energy picture."

" And you know addressing companies like evergreen solar Massachusetts company its first manufacturing facility was in Germany to cater to that market and the all the jobs that come with that now they're starting to come here. Because governor Patrick's been a champion of saying let's get this done here that's a thousand jobs in Massachusetts is going to be coming from evergreen -- street said."

" I'm intrigued by the economic possibilities and I really do about I'm convinced from my time at the Biotech council on the little bit I came to no one in some might work of legislature that the Iraq. Some very specific areas in which we have advantage it's that research it's a brain that concentration brain power. Tell me a little bit about MIT they have a new president over this Susan -- feel that I -- recollection and about a year or so ago she said we remove with remove this university. This world renowned institution into the issue into the reader of renewable energy what's been going on over the -- and how closely do you where would that mean."

" It's great we work with some very closely Susan -- field as a star she's the new president of MIT -- girl address identified energy to MIT energy initiative as the challenge for that university and I'll give much -- credit for doing so. They've been out in essentially in the last year raising your creating partnerships have got some of the European utilities who have given. Many millions of them they are legitimately one of the real -- the senators in the world for energy technology development. And I think it by the -- give credit to UMass they've got a terrific -- group on this out of Amherst has some of the other facilities so. It's not just MIT but yet they've been very very active who work with them a lot governor and I have been over there a couple times in the past month. The German Foreign Minister there who is announcing. US German partnership with MITI and clean energy so that's going to be real locomotive for us and it's exciting."

" You know hydrogen by of how about this let's do this one on biofuels and again I am I am more than happy to you know we're -- by ignorance of these things. I was talking about ethanol probably 81012 months ago is saying hey ethanol look at them the wave of the future and it's it's clean and everything else now we're all learning again the -- may be -- belatedly and as the number at the head of that collapsed. The most believable venerable. Are we learning that this big embrace of ethanol has its own unintended consequences it's driving up food prices at a dramatic rate. It it it emits some pollutants -- more with a great of he gets higher intensity right then than than gasoline what you which it take on biofuels."

" But also biofuels are not all created equal ultimately corn based ethanol is generation won it doesn't do much of anything for us on the environment apart from. Being an alternative petroleum so it's important and that's census priming the pump. But as a as an alternative is not great it doesn't do any -- environmentally ended drives of fuel prices mostly good from mr. western farmers market for messages. The next generations leapfrogging over that is the ethanol that comes from trees and from waist and political silly elastic. Bio mass and so there. We have in Massachusetts some of the world leading companies saying. Let's figure out how to bring that to market as the next generation has overwhelming environmental benefits much better than petroleum or corn ethanol. And here in the energy bill that's passing through war and biofuels -- working out those details right now. The governor or senate present speaker of together and Doris for game plan for advanced -- to make us the place that moves beyond. The corn based ethanol has all the problems he readily identify. I was much in the the museum and I knew they had fuel cell car hydrogen fuel cell -- is are there any of Massachusetts companies that are involved in that push they are there any Massachusetts -- companies vacuum metrics -- Peugeot and there are some of the world's leading fuels such companies as well. I'm hydrogen is a difficult source and his knowledge distribution infrastructure for -- so. On many of the other feel so companies are running off natural gas as a feed stock for them but yeah fuel cells are nice part of the puzzle as well. I'm good for the hospitals some of them have them reliable source of energy for their electricity so just as the many different companies."

" Senate is that Iran a realistic alternative for us to wean ourselves off of guest on the road that we can conceivably convert to that for all of our you know automobile needs."

" It could be right now feel -- had the problem of durability and a mobile setting they've been difficult to keep them running because they're they're more fragile the technology today that I think is the most promising on the automotive side as the plug in hybrid -- When you have a hybrid engine already your very fuel efficient use electricity and batteries. If you can plug it into your socket you can triple your. Miles per gallon and the company is doing the batteries is also -- Massachusetts say 123 systems in Watertown."

" You know Ian talk radio is not really good without a lot of opinion and want to make sure I have here right how do you at least in my view of it because have been challenged on this. I love the governor's visit the position the governor took on the course the campaign on cape wind. And it said here from time to time when this issue of energy comes up mystical why the delay what is the problems come on the aesthetic. Disruption or interference is really did venomous. In the gain as well as the symbolism this is substantive game and I think as a hugely symbolic. From Massachusetts to -- sometimes calls are you have generated change of mind it was off the beach we'd take your kids down any stamp however very clear memory of what was up the beach at least it when we first moved it to when he felt that he is not the target chip. The target chip -- message Tuesday. The military -- exactly what it is an old -- and they used if flawed dummy. This runs the target chip in became literally almost a tourist attraction everybody knew the target chip over a period of time it's disappeared. The ocean takes its toll. If we -- Massachusetts put up. A big win from out there in Cape Cod bed I was looking at that all the time I would not be disturbed at all I want to go on the -- confederates -- with the secretary of it and -- that can be people that I. I have fall far because here's what frosts my glasses I I just can't. And emphasize this I hate the idea that as -- country how -- nation. Every single day takes. Takers from all around the world but mostly the belies the Venezuela some parts of -- Of of the fossil fuel bill oil or gasoline has already been refined -- we said tankers back at least visually amendment field. Filled with hundred dollar bills knowledge dollar is weak because of it -- strategic position is -- it just. Frosts my glasses that we supposedly the technological giants -- leaders so behind the eight ball on this."

" I could not disagree with any -- said I think the issue for us in Massachusetts is let's get serious about selling the stuff do we are doing not. Wanna have alternatives to fossil fuel do we or do we not want to keep sending dollars overseas. Sometimes unstable regimes subsidizing weak dollar all the rest that couldn't I couldn't agree with you don't you don't -- want to make fun of them for the frost in the glasses -- I."

" Would not help I think he's got -- hard for things maybe I should be just very heavy -- and coming -- morning but I think you're right -- that the mix it up as we will take some call 617. 2666868 our guest is Ian bulls he is the secretary of energy and environmental affairs for Governor Deval Patrick. I would set the table I think nicely which probably take a short break and then come back with our policy in more commentary you know energy is on everyone's mind this is the guy who knows the stuff he's got to give us. The leadership is giving us that leadership this money so let's put us all of us we'll put Ian -- for the test when we come back in a moment on they have succeeded WRKO welcome back Tom -- while listening to veterans for a money M 680 WRKO my cohost. In the act KO studio is John Gonzales senior writer for Boston magazine he'll be my co host tomorrow as well looking forward to that. In joining us in the -- studio work continuing this segment we started at the top of the Iowa is Ian -- he is the cabinet secretary. For energy and environmental of various works for and with. Governor Deval Patrick was with the governor suggest yesterday when the governor signed eight call -- his own bill away an ocean water economic development bill and I think was signed at the end knowing and query good choice for area choice right there is speaker to Macy's district to write wonderful it's a great spot my daughter two and half she's an expert. On the aquarium Greg Oden it's a beautiful -- by a -- my wife and I via our members the it would -- to take our granddaughter the one we have and with three more on the -- very very shortly I think will be felt a -- and it is about that mr. secretary -- hey you told us before the break you made reference to. Some existing technologies that -- yeah. Specter really expands of them the mileage component to the mileage availability of some of the hybrids and everybody's familiar with the prius senate's apparently it's pretty high demand item in out of the way to get a prius. Now with gasoline at a 130 bucks plus per barrel four dollars a gallon doesn't look as if it's coming out I anytime soon maybe not even ever again and -- lifetime. I think all those options hold promise tell us a little bit more about. The alternative technologies although the of the briefed the rebooting I guess that can -- that he could do with the prius that already gets very impressive --"

" Yes as a company in Massachusetts in Watertown called a 123 systems commercializing very uninteresting advanced battery technology. They've been beginning to retrofit cars to become we call plug in hybrid to take a hybrid. Car prius you put in a super big better you become a super hybrids are you getting up 250 miles per gallon now think about that that's. Remarkable closet and fifteen have to get by god and back on one gallon."

" That is unbelievable now you're saying that it would be a plug in -- we're talking a little bit about this during the break. So essentially taken home charge referred two to three hours the Spaniard -- ago. For those of us who live unlike Tom Finneran -- mansion don't have a garage in Lebanon at a -- and officials to -- our lives in the same -- want to -- that we -- to -- and it can't we can't -- the -- what happens -- people -- power -- on the back of pickup -- for a sign for constructions -- who knows where your -- would -- view if you putting -- that on the -- energy company and -- to -- probably you know I think we'll -- that -- sense -- actually going to -- about this it's about a pay an ethic of just give this guy how likely -- knows what else he had asked I have an extension how much output for acts. They only fitting this hybrid are currently what -- told us as to how much 150 mine yields per gallon you know if that's not the sometimes radio doesn't provide. That's I love the technology because they have given the figure right now to the Middle East just so everybody no actually I love the idea of the American people just Jenny 300 million people Golan. Bleeped you to the Middle East outlook he had nothing personal against them or anything else but this is. Who we are being strangled economically it would become accustomed to cheap cheap energy it is our expectation is not going to happen. Out of the good graces so all the Goodwill we gonna have to do this -- technology 150 miles a gallon to me that's -- that's a great I loved them I'm wondering now how much energy NASA choose how much energy does it take for -- servants to carry around on their backs. Does that require a lot of energy out of the question as you can over the hospital after -- left his job 72666868 is the outlook a Christian his lap and admit to by god we're going to take some calls waive his collar from practical way to urinate in what the secretary of energy and environmental affairs Ian balls."

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" What the big patio on the -- and there you know if there's any upside on this planet a boat. The gap is going overboard on the gallon it's a bit. May be may be we can do something about that is now -- a few times a year are. This country has different. Political or or social issues now it's that gas prices. Illegal immigration this is equivalent to 9/11. Where we just woke up in that -- maybe we need to do something. Back in 1981 this some will be with Jack Nicholson called the -- and he was down on the border of Mexico and all of these illegal look -- And it was salacious it was just unbelievable what's going on and now. Nothing has changed I guarantee you but I hope I prayed to god above. 2030 years from now we're not having this same discussion over fifty dollar a gallon gasoline. We never. Thing to do anything about it gotta -- way."

" here's what let me jump in and I wanna like give the secretary -- partly a chance to respond but his my quick take on at all. At four dollars a gallon and 130 plus per barrel the economics will dictate in innovation and America is Americans in particular I grated innovation innovating. Under stress and exigencies. Maybe the reason we haven't addressed immigration is because the economics of that item that don't pretend to understand it. On is compelling but the economics of this in my life -- all the people that I know around meet the ordinary lives we lead this is becoming urgent and when it becomes urgent I think the Massachusetts business community in the business community of America responds with ingenuity."

" Question yeah far away we have how long escape -- been going on seven -- eight years. Yeah yeah I'd say yeah we're -- or at least that's the seventh year that I honestly think that's another thing will be talking about to put it why can't -- all of the property thanks state owned property offer. The islands of Boston like you should get the K let's put them on you know things that we owned where."

" That -- great question let me tell us that right to -- so great question let me seek a couple points -- you know solar -- Massachusetts Governor Patrick took office. A total of four megawatts installed as pathetic small not a lot happened. In the last you know fifteen months alone we've got a 50% improvement so in space of fifteen months we've done. Two megawatts of solar by the end of the year -- more than doubled itself were moving it on a quick trajectory and would do in his state facilities so. You're island out in Winthrop -- their DivX solar ray and they got to wind turbines going up there's so. We're doing exactly what the caller proposes who have a lot of state facilities civilized state lands. And we're taking a hard look at all those are now could feel let's take another call Mike a scholar from -- and good morning -- idea what the secretary of energy and environmental affairs Ian polls."

" Morning guys that's what that doubtful but I worked on might be. Well -- telecommuting pot they. Not some states have kind of played with this in the past heavy tracks and some of the companies that have a policy and had people that actually used it even wondered if the week. If you could just imagine. Most digitally you know centric site -- less clear labor you know we can't actually do it over the Internet -- such. If people stayed longer water few days a week at work. Let's -- on the road less gas used less parking needed downtown you know less. -- floor carpet everything bought up into the year. -- come off looking at anything like that and shutter works companies you know pushing telecommuting policy people would just work at all border -- this --"

" It's a great question had asked -- mayor of -- talk about the -- from enough that many -- Isaiah it stays on the -- party not a pretty rare today but I think I think because exactly right that it is something you see a lot of in the private marketplace I think it's actually probably easier if that -- innovation happens in the private sector. You're exactly right on the benefits of telecommuting. And receded and a lot of these companies are going now -- in many more virtual companies so I think actually that generation's gonna happen more in the private sector because you've got. A different set of management controls and all that. Many of our workers you know into my departments and state government VCR the state facilities. You know they need to be on the field cleaning up the parks trash barrels all the -- so. I think a lot of that will come out of the private sector I think the price of gasoline is going to drive a lot of change in telecommuting it's exciting -- a lot of new technologies available for. In a web based meetings and video and cholera so I think a lot of that's going to happen and it's needed."

" The idea too because can you imagine if we keep it here just to work from home. We talked to wolf the about the just I've been out of the studio that connection at all you know you'll save the gas they hope we actually haven't talked we actually have a sponsor -- the -- every conferencing that does business meetings. Old love you so you don't have to get on the placement of the travel to -- and try to give -- a -- ties -- the -- the -- with -- with -- the -- thank you respect your idea -- about the private -- should -- probably take -- state policy -- Yes that it was terrible it was a story in the paper about it telecommuting employee in the cities and Boston was telecommuting from Caracas Venezuela. 2002 miles a lot of people react and say what that Alice -- including the mayor himself said what the hell is going thoughts oh I think public employees would have to be cha the leader perhaps as a telecommute from each wise -- college. Top scholar whose daughter taught your audio at Tom Finneran and John Gonzales and most importantly secretary -- balls."

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" Okay we have worked really almost -- about the palladium the -- we -- ideas and we should really take a look at nearly seventy. When it was about some movement it's such stop nuclear -- from expanding especially in Massachusetts the I am very interest in the -- what this that the secretary's position -- audit and what about. Administration's position it has on. Expanding out --"

" Okay that was tossed that's US secretary balls are you touched on briefly at an early by the segment but wanted to give it to us again nuclear as part of the energy array. Not just in Massachusetts and went went across the United States well I mean I think."

" It'll be part of the solution you're seeing the next generation of technologies in nuclear that is starting to address the safety issues. And the efficiency issues in the constitution and the reason for. Thirty years we haven't had a new nuke plant built in the United States has been cost because they can't compete and they've been too expensive and so. You know I think that there are certainly very legitimate concerns about the long term disposal of the waste but. I I think there will come back I don't think it'll come back first in New England. For a variety of reasons mostly because there were a dense populations senator. So I think you'll see some of that comeback in the southwest. And in the southeast you know countries like Japan and France's South Africa others have figured it out. Man I've got a lot more penetration of -- but I think to the cause point it needs to be part of the solution I think we come out of an open mind and we certainly would review any proposal. On the merits."

" Mr. secretary on the window we talked about technology and technological innovation and apparently evergreen solar might do for seems to be on the cutting edge and I think they're a silicon and wait for the right type of things that revolutions in the technology is is similarly rapidly evolving technology on wind power are is the technology. Pretty much figured out to the to the you know to the tenth degree."

" So they'll offer traditional wind power it's figured out almost a tenth degree I mean all that's happening now. Is that turbines are still getting a little bit bigger so we've got some interest mass whose companies that are now talking about building -- eight or ten megawatt wind turbine to think about that -- talk muscling a hundred times the size of we've -- Dorchester so. This these are very huge machines there are in the marketplace the largest on the marketplace is about 45 megawatts which is a very -- chairman. There is a company in Massachusetts very exciting company in Wilbur him by a string of fields called float design. I was a judge and one of these MIT awards for energy innovation the other day they won first prize -- taking that turbine technology. Those jet engines and saying how would we turn that into wind turbine. And -- very exciting company does raise a lot of money from venture capitalists send. That's a technology that could be next generation for window would be able to get wind and lower wind speeds so company called -- designed. The starting to get -- the first one I've seen that is that next generation to generation."

" Mr. secretary we'll take -- the breaks will be back to finish up the -- you've been great with the time secretary -- is I guess John Gonzales and I beat Tom -- will be back in a moment on AM succeed WRKO welcome back Tom Finneran DE and John Gonzales a broadcasting obviously from the WI KO studio and joined in that studio. By Ian -- he's the secretary of energy and environmental affairs for Governor Deval Patrick. He spent a fast now with a with a Lotta interesting calls and some great great news the energy front emerging technology front. A minute or so for a final wrap up from you mister secretary."

" Yeah I would just say quickly got Thomas thank you for having me on number some credit to speakers sell the Macy for work he's done. Together with me in the governor and the Senate on a sweeping piece of energy legislation -- cause may not. No about will be coming out I think in the in the next few weeks really we shapes the whole electricity marketplace as say. How do we get this energy conservation done -- we get these clean sources done how do we -- homeowners get more alternative so wearing reshaping and a big way the electricity marketplace and make it cleaner and cheaper and it's very exciting and -- But no mention of that."

" You know I I love and again we'll go back to rip away we kind of opened the conversation an hour ago. I love the idea Europe taking a step or two over even more what most of forward on the environmental front cleaner energy and at the same time opening up. Economic opportunity for Massachusetts I mean. And some of the worked a Christian did when he was in this in the legislature that you're obviously doing in conjunction with the administration in the economy is always front sent to all of us but the the Senate president the speaker just a regular member who wants to make the contribution to public policy and public debate so you know let's say stay with it and -- so welcoming mr. secretary -- the -- say that I'm behind John and Joshua -- for -- and -- and -- and I'll -- noting that's right and I'll write a column of the globe about the -- but now we'll let -- the -- go to work on behalf of six million people in Massachusetts John Gonzales and I will stay with -- here and veterans -- AM 680 WRKO"