Marjorie Clapprood

" Welcome back Tom Finneran -- while listening to parents from -- number three appearance from those first two -- pretty quickly that they -- like a second and I hate. Nano second I think they call that in some form of the technology will you know those big words and -- abzug Marjorie -- voice that he meanwhile the voice you hear his voice in my entry clap -- and she just got her second cup of coffee so heads up world at -- Intel had yup. I doubt if I've got caffeine and I don't you are well the -- set you. When you know who should be in trouble by the way I think the authorities in Texas should be in trouble you know just before the break. We -- teased the audience a little bit with this issue of the the so called -- cult I don't even know how to refer to it but it's. This a fundamentalist church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints down there in Texas. Yeah that's -- you know you have to. In in in the Texas authorities. Navy make this huge huge -- you know would be refuse with me at least one day a week I went from time to time. How -- things when he is very very quick to give up on constitution of the United States of America -- meticulous state in order to make sure that we are doing everything we can't watch so she thinks they did the attention oh yeah oh yeah when he thinks this is the right thing animals in the sand 400 kids rounded up. Separated from their mothers some of them. Nursing bees -- right -- that infants wow I just can't believe that but minor children to keep your kids to three way by his old. The attachment that children have advantage particularly to -- but to the unit for the past month he's dead mothers who ran David Stanley union and -- it is it is the it is really and one of the most profound moments I think in the child's development. Those very very clearly he -- all the child psychologist on the developmental expert I mean you've raised around him imagine now you have grandchildren you know it's -- who have talked about. It -- Forced to separate them. By the state to state of Massachusetts state of Texas it doesn't matter here in the United States of America that government the authorities comes sweeping in swat vehicles hang its GC -- that it is if it's it boggles the mind it really."

" And it's very militaristic and very unlike what the constitution says America is supposed to be like so we would love to hear from our listeners -- me because the only way that this is going to either be turned around or it's gonna be vindicated. And I hope it's turned around. This may be the only topic on which time and and I agree except for the department of mental retardation which were but they couldn't I was our concerts are kinder angels surfaced on and on the -- about one rang and they always have and they always and they always -- and here's why -- I agree with you when this and I disagree with my and my dear dear sister Wendy Wendy -- a couple of things that your. -- foundation leads into number of number one it's. Or a call from a mandated reporters saying I believe a child 123 XYZ street. Is being abused a big if you come may end up but what's the first thing you do. You command and you interview both the adults in the place and the child. That second make that decision is too risky to leave that child. And and perhaps a sibling her -- and so removing them as traumatic as it is and it's even traumatic for children who are victims or Fitzsimmons trying to. But Betsy census so the removal process is an individual one that is sanctioned only if they -- it's really sufficient."

" And evidence say is an from the interview for example if I EEE determined that the -- let's say the father of the Mamas as a drug problem she's zoned out she's not so. The kids of wandering around and Judy -- is they haven't been federal whatever or UC bruises other evidence of physical."

" I thought it -- some last night did you see and two children and I know our crack staff there -- you'll find this on the wires. Two kids under the age of four found in a home that was on fire mom left the home alone yeah it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see these kids that mean neglect by definition but my definite like definite about you go to Texas. And and the name of of this particular cult is the yearning for Zion alliance in Eldorado. And what they got was a phone call and I would take that one phone call seriously from a a young woman who identified herself as sixteen years old and said that she was being forced him. Forced to marry and forcibly raped. And good for them that they responded. And same for them to have responded I mean this is like killing a fly back bringing inches and I am an excellent chance sledgehammer on the elegant use of flies wanna that's effective use -- that's moron it's a little 462 children that they rounded up pairing them apart it without any evidence attempt at that time to move their social workers and to protect the children there rather then remove them from the on. Number two I think that they are doing this because it really blanket of polygamous and you know what I'm not so sure that's a civil issue where this -- actually going in. And it -- it happened at a community for example in Vermont where they. Live and commune to grow green lit green show up up up up up up up up up. Going to drag -- playing with military vehicles and rest of the children from my arms and of breastfeeding mothers. So so leaders and president for you guys. They're trying very hard be folks like the ACLU mind American Civil Liberties Union -- we'll -- it painful very conservative like Tom Finneran. Are saying too much too soon and trampling on the rights this -- you may not agree with them but they have the right to have their children. Not taken read what happened to search and see."

" Sure it's a separate item large or I was gonna say if this is a bludgeoned to the constitution -- and so everybody else the a liberal conservative whatever your view of the philosophical political point of view everybody else issued cringe a little bit. About the state asserting for itself this incredible heart ripped. Terrific Powell yes separating inference from mothers and fathers and this much to get get to the calls to 617. 2666868 is the number the email address is T Finneran at. WRKO dot comes and the those emails well around CBS officials those that that's the the child protection service intact and -- have conceded. Is no evidence no evidence not concede this fact that the youngest children were abused in about 100 duty these children under five and a debt and I. Listen to this hill -- may may never get over this. The trauma of it in teenage boys were not physically or sexually abused these according to the evidence right but more than two dozen teenage boys and now we in state custody. Staying at a boys ranch that might typically how troubled. Are abandoned tea break put him in so they can learn how to become very -- for the second time. Point by jury knows I know that's where my runs and utility why yes you get that screwed up kids they'd get bad tendencies bad habits and behaviors. -- gonna put -- young. I'm troubled kid in the midst of a -- terrible it's."

" Well dumbest thing and we do it all the time and went up the only state that does have spent the feds do particularly lousy job of it so the question do you is what would you do a viewer in charge of this it did the government do the right thing. I taking all these kids in one fell swoop overreached overkill over done over everything and drink and not gonna. -- bound by the government on this one of and I'm surprised at the number of people who work on the side of the government particularly feminists and brilliant feminists like Wendy Murphy because hey I'm a chemist I think those women all look like -- lives it was the street thinking just thing to see them all standing out there and it."

" believing he is when -- ambien Richard Indy winner of feminist look at progressively I don't know but I can't tell you apart either you can't tell those women apparently I just can't but. -- going to take intense have called and we want to know how you feel absolutely six went 72666868 is the number let's go to rob he's calling from aims very rob welcome are doing great rob public you know you love rug you know what he calls me I mean look at night. -- yeah. -- beat to Levy taxes that -- believe."

" I would look at the mirror in the outlet to let irreverent by the government you're always this bird name it out through a leak in my eight seconds that money for -- attack on the icon. It was him that was Johnny Hamachi and back nickname my client but this 100 unions unit for you guys. -- I got a couple of opinion about that they are evident it is incumbent from the court of public opinion on. Number two pick the government or write games for an art in -- whenever that is going to come out over and over time. -- believe the government out correctly in writing it or moderate now is quit the game and if -- We have it -- you guys speculate not -- At a rate now I'm sorry gave it believe it life liberty and the without. And I it is it's for kitten when he talked about young -- why -- You don't know we want to -- at the continued it -- generate."

" he can only go on the you can only go on the evidence imagine and I go I don't want write up a story was about why -- in terms of no evidence what so ever. Of abuse of the children under five this separated from him Bob so you agree with us and Allan rock. And then the two dozen teenage boys same thing no evidence I mean we can we could put -- did to some kind of fevered pitch in kept up with some imaginary things that might be happening. But it -- as evidenced in this country of Iraq constitution the government's not supposed to act he against individual American citizens in this fashion."

" And I think you need to think if if -- He's -- ever on its -- arrives for a bit but for the grace of god walk you rob and your family then I think you might feel a little bit differently whenever produces just remind me of the case. Of the immigrants in New Bedford anytime that you have in NASA ready to. It is government sponsored and a surprise no warning no and we get together no nothing. But you -- and use the 6 o'clock in the morning. With guns prepared obviously to use them if necessary we all know what happened in Waco it elsewhere so. What is the government of bio if they are going in with -- without a warrant but on what kind of suspicion what is the what's the bar. -- to be clear is what in order to command on a -- it's the same thing is this the same level as when they get a tip and they following investigated for a year and they know with the drugs are or they know where this stash of guns is. And and they go win and anybody now with a -- not this thing."

" That a judge and they can you asking for -- with you have to insist on under the constitution is you're arise evidence credible. In particular right to -- say. -- we think. There's a compound down there and it's okay with wacky look at women. And we think the guys apparently we have blob of a lot of they have a right to be -- weird and that's right -- wildly panicked and computerized evidence with some semblance of credibility that you wish to warrant that is that particular thank you it's focused you know take -- grab all the kids and Randall which it will send them 500 miles -- way to -- at all."

" Do you know -- did an interview every one of these children on intimate sexual issues that frankly. For 99% of them I'm gonna guess if I were betting -- 99% it's gonna be the first time I've ever heard it shouldn't they did not going to be abuse victims I agree they -- and they're angry and I think that this act in the future years -- have every right to counter -- for inflicting harm on their children let's take a call Todd is Colin from -- him hey -- welcome thanks for -- to run here what Nigerian Tom."

" It's not my metric thank you yeah he's down -- Tony cricket the government that we went. The on the -- is here but as you know over the weekend that other states already lost two of the children to. Two boys eight worried at this expound on yet."

" At the end zone we don't know where -- you know no word whatsoever idealistic kid well -- Texas it's a big place like I'm not sure. It taught taught I agree I mean if dad dosage -- first of -- the use of heavy weapons and swat vehicles and everything else of that doesn't shock the conscience. Then certainly shocking to Andy any conscience out they would be that the state. Now having asserted itself we may be all the line in my opinion. Then go -- and -- loses two kids that need it to them like paid marijuana to I was playing tennis and nightly lust love around all day yeah I'd."

" Give me a better. I guess I'm very nervous -- make some great points that should make us all very nervous because you don't know. If the neighbor to your writer -- as a vendetta against you for anything for your Barbara cutesy kids too loud music to I hate to dog what ever. They can't make every port they can't just think -- that you're guilty of ABC and without any investigation. The cops that government can sweep at 6 o'clock that morning when you're having and we we union take everybody yeah. I'm just vision of what happened since and constitutional right again."

" That's why you want that particular attitude credible evidence appreciate the call let's go to Scott he is scholar from Cobb of the -- Scott. I I do a pay -- bank is valuable --"

" I got out what went class and out of it does help out in order that. Eight out of like the organize a -- although that need -- had to -- about it very high level you know. If somebody had to have been looked at it more of a story that is now a company. And the guys."

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" What -- and I think out of the beat the you know the story behind the story is that the the the leader of this this group. Cult whatever you want Pollack is a fellow by the name Warren -- warrant Jeff has been with convicted last year -- Utah. Of forcing a 418 year old girl into marriage with -- older cousin japs is kind of notorious in. That'd polygamous circles but in child protection and and -- circles. And I -- I think the story behind the story is that -- has a relationship with its. This made history this cult this church whatever in the cause of that. The state authority as a inclined to believe that all sorts of a repair things going on down the yet again. No evidence any -- to separate 2345 year old from their moms and dads that to me. That says wow I I don't Kia about -- Jeff so much I'm worried about the yen it."

" But I have dropped -- but I have to agree with the -- now because it seems to me as though. They eat -- you need to have one of you think you need to have either a warrant that shows sufficient evidence and I believe I am just a law school drop out but I believe it's a preponderance of evidence that a caller of the -- Complainer the person that alert due to possible abuse is credible -- Arnold important reason Al's absolutely -- broke -- what the second thing it. I get Scott don't you bet they have to get a sign up from the governor."

" Company had a cult of like -- all -- what. -- market not forget the great a great comic album all politics are you got what they. And at the awkward."

" I wonder I wonder what got the light that went all the way out to the governor of whether. The governor -- or whether it's you know and appoint appointments you know for example -- of the governing -- appointed head of the DSS -- in it and -- I seriously I had no idea USA deal and -- but on assignment. You 400 kids out. Out these -- not because they had swat teams that they had swat vehicles they have the military involved it was local and state officials my guess is the feds are involved as well I have seen wanted. I do believe even worse yet you might -- I'm gonna I'm when this all comes out I'm going to predict that they have. All of all of the powers that be that carry guns and looks scary -- if you gotta bring him a swat team -- in the big the bad the ugly and masks and column that's his ranges don't have enough that governor. Mean I'm no it's Texas no you know managers as -- with his right but I do believe I agree with let's go -- The 6172666868 is the number let's take a call from Tim Collins from Brighton -- Tim I don't do a great Jim what you take on this thing got attacked it."

" Well I got a couple of or they urged the Paula. They're kind that brought them like they did away bill. You know they've picked the moment they take -- to demonize but I lose and yeah you're right you -- I don't know and but anyway oh -- they and they I think there's that -- and liked -- a week ago. They they're dominant they demonize national media Leo. And they you know that the press in her yet -- away -- right. In doing these things really -- you know the proper. Chain of authority like warrant. -- by that."

" My supposed to attend that there isn't that doesn't seem to be an outrage -- the media is not -- reporting on it out. -- rate among folks like Q just regular citizens."

" that the larger question is why why it narrow bridge a lot of things like."

" Why we let this happen. And his his wife because they look you in the pool we assumed -- unit today. It looked it looks like step of lives in the -- robotic and they don't really talk with with people from the outside. So there that we even would community and yet if you think of it. You could very very quickly make the same -- Reebok and unfortunately probably reached the same pepper conclusions for example about the Amish if you would -- but you very you know they push back against the crazy what they consider to be crazy outside."

" World Tim makes a good points and use that that the comparison between this and Waco is a very strong one on many many points in the mannerisms and that street strategies that we use the swat team I'm trying to remember the name of that beautiful little boy that was taken out of its Ahmanson went to Cuba terrible -- snow -- eight -- so so. I think the similarities are are huge there. Up Waco if you remember was called whacko Waco mostly most places that these people were. No to begin with. They were and they they put out this propaganda that many of us by because we thought it was actually had been checked out by the government now we know that's not true. And and so we have to be doubly -- thing critical of our own government if we're going to be critical of Abu Ghraib and everything that's going on in the Middle East and and any --"

" Actually so consistent with that tradition with our constitution that traditions because we filed as a nature to ask. On a distrust you accumulation yeah operation of government -- what. People forget that they duplicate of the government for a or help me with my problems no heed government a way he. It has met no role he you know lives in -- on to the now you and I another reasonable people can come up with appropriate role. Defense transportation business that while. The -- for him Leo that was it reasonable people. On the basis the overall kind of central premise should be. Minimal role of government -- personal -- they -- the -- Tuesday Davis map -- with that would -- and they checked -- Iraq housekeeping or anything -- what the government we're -- take a short break we'll be back with your calls -- advisory -- of -- and security WRK"