Carol Rose

" It's right it is wrong -- to worry himself in a -- left diamond sling and a left the end of -- this is really -- history -- this is an imposition trying to write with my right hand is how is that zone while not well -- at all go out of term it's not not well at all if this is a great story that you pointed out to me John I've read a couple of times now. And I gets funnier every time -- every time I -- it absolutely he -- that -- Maria sash Eddie I want to say that directly tickets are shedding. -- she's a reporter for the Boston Globe headlined a story of the city region section. Headlines says this but tend to serve up drinks -- customs checks. Sub headline policy at two -- called unfair to immigrants. So his have a stirs doubts officer John was literally -- on the floor this want to want to came -- at 5 o'clock now beats insane anyway so I had no idea what did that to -- but I think it could have been anything. The story stats office follows. All the 33 year old illegal immigrant wanted was a B. After nearly a decade in this country the Irish national due to steer clear of police and federal agents but he was stunned this month. When a bartender at the offering of refused to serve him because his passport -- to. A United States customs stamp. While so apparently the -- tenders have been instructed in this is at the or freedom. -- the the outside -- the bank kept pavilion at the right -- down the waterfront which becomes a hot spot in the summer another we're getting to the good weather that great not always so -- and in doing that lots and lots of alcohol consumed at concerts all the time and it these two places so. The bartenders at each place apparently have been instructed by the -- the accompanies the Boston culinary group the bartenders were attracted John. To start checking for customs stamps that's a stamp that is placed. On the passport to demonstrate that you have actually come into the country through. Legal -- illegal means legal means and apparently some people are up in arms about it we -- you know the story goes on to talk about the ACLU advocates and so on and so forth and surprisingly yes shot jolly UC LU says leave the illegal immigrants alone alone yeah. And you know you an idea I mentioned just before we went the break. -- about it for a couple of years and I don't want to platinum up to speed on all the rules and regulations but I do know this it has become more and more intense in terms of the pressure of the scrutiny as well as the sting operations which treasury crazy. But nonetheless sting operations. That are you know set up against pouring establishments to make sure that everybody who's in the place. Has a legal valid ID and has reached. These you know drinking age as opposed you know when you and I or maybe two at a certain age. Maybe at a fake right the idea knew somebody who wasn't there caddie Andy -- go into a number of establishments and could serve without anybody anything had a -- and that's what I said -- I'm still on probation."

" That's when I saw this story yeah I I didn't if off my chair I thought that this. How to take -- a second look to make sure that it wasn't herald story. File because all the 33 year old illegal immigrant wondered what was -- that -- illegal -- you imagine how if he's from Ireland the high he's been here a decade and if you get a via you know he's just appears just don't work. An illegal immigrant and he wanted to drink I don't think it myself no -- the oh you love your illegal immigrant I'm sorry guess what tiger like -- lucky that."

" You didn't just get turned down for survey is -- he actually fled the premises no cause we reviewed another man's not identified for obvious reasons yet. But he grabbed his passports in passport eighty fled he actually be ended a sixty dollar orchestra seat that he had -- a ray Davies concert. And he's you know that obviously has now ignited a debate. All of this new policy so I want to emphasize this is a new policy of the Boston culinary group to put it in place at these two places. The the European theater in the pavilion down there on the down on the waterfront. And they say look we've got to protect our employees in the company from the sting operation from the very strict scrutiny and enforcement of underage drinking. And this is the best -- this is the way we find best you and I what I -- just show while Massachusetts driver's licenses. Which would you know show to the by attended the proof of age but if you are here from another country you need a different form of documentation in -- here illegally you can get a Massachusetts driver's license and other companies said. Get a if your passport has a customs stamp on it you're good good for service no problem if it doesn't. We're not sure and we are going to err on the side of -- I'm not terribly troubled by this tiempo casket."

" Does your boy in this why -- yeah Jones a half -- guy I love your job by outside that I had to bloody years just let me just explain to the people who've been -- yet -- guy your guy -- there isn't there's -- hack it all Massachusetts that that are in won't get the merits of this -- the Palestinians the chairman. It's given us Charlie -- goes to -- in the island together. So this -- McCaskey is -- was here in this race. And we're going to vote with a feisty guy dot I do agree on let me green right -- so the chairman he's the chairman."

" Of the Boston licensing board which is. Did the governing body that issues alcoholic licenses -- you if you want. If you want to get an alcohol -- go to this interview by telling about couple weeks ago he says you know it's awful. Bottle service I don't want Boston have bottle service file servers for everybody who doesn't know is instead of getting to drink. You you go with your bodies you pay 30400 bucks and an exorbitant fee in order to. In order to get a bottle on the everybody sits around and eight and the partake of the bottle okay so he said no bottles that's -- at the end. He says he doesn't like the idea summit that the bond potty he -- he doesn't like bottle he doesn't like. The idea that that the Boston coronary group -- talent people to check it -- and it's bartenders to check -- the passports and look for stamps because you know he doesn't like the idea of denying illegal immigrants the right have a -- got. Is your guy guy says he says -- for regular Americans know bottle service for illegal immigrants right up. That's on the house says Gonzales you can't help yourself you're completely insane we -- easier boy I hope it voice of sanity and reason because who have reached out to the ASEAN gathered they're good for that it on the side he's -- on the economy kind of have to respond Carol roses on the phone is on the line here and RKO. For bush is the executive director of the ACLU. Miss rose stake you for joining John Gonzales and meet Tom Finneran here and parents forum."

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" We're doing great and thank you so much for college. -- miss miss rose there is one of the lawyers who works for up ACLU. Edged and jolly wait -- I'm trying to pronounce -- right now okay that is is quoted in the globe is expressing some. Concern even a level of outrage about this policy. That the culinary group has his establish -- by -- he's quoted as saying. Asking gave by attendants go above and beyond and checked the federal government's stamp of approval and make a determination of whether it's ballot is. I in his words he uses the word ridiculous is ridiculous. And I can't speak for John Gonzales but of sitting -- saying to myself. How would the bartender is the you know of the employees of the culinary group. Find a way to protect themselves against the very strict scrutiny and enforcement of underage drinking when there's been such a proliferation of phony documents anyway."

" Well right but the problem is that a stamp like that isn't even guarantee that that it's about how the other. So you know immigration -- complicated operation with the bartender is complicating -- for lawyers and relatives that art center in many of my thoughts and our partners are going to have athletes be able to know whether out what is about it not based on the -- You know immigration -- people reasons that people don't have the island from torturers repressive regime they can keep your -- reason that of the need to cry for a bartender is going to be begin to opera so. It simply just a group a of a way to discriminate against people that -- and it need to see it at that -- pretty simple straightforward it's."

" Could -- the -- that hell hole ahead all right John I don't get out we got to step back from the edge you're so you're saying that. It's it just because they're illegals doesn't mean that should be served in the year that's basically I mean we don't want -- hourly until about it. Not because gear your lawyer here says you know asking a bartender to go above and beyond and check the federal government stamp of approval make a determination of whether it's about -- ridiculous let's of that what they're doing they're making sure that it they're trying to determine whether or not just like they look at fake IDs to try to figure out whether or not the idea speak. So why would it reasonable to expect that they could try to figure out whether on a passport is ballot."

" Right well that now principal amount you actually understand that the -- doesn't quite what it out for the ballot or so it's not really of basically it's not a valid way to tell whether that about forty dollars so it's going to they need to be misinformed. Apart at the -- weather out for the -- for the -- and -- and not go exactly what was -- immigration -- about immigration as. -- about whether anybody things. It should be given a drinker -- up -- a Arcandor. The market immigration and clearly they sit there are qualified and checking for the patents are you."

" Immigration enforcement is doing immigration enforcement's job so maybe the bartender was I don't. I I agree with as I agree with miss Rosa mean the bartender is the employees of the Boston culinary group left in an impossible untenable situation. There are expected to apply to two to discern phony documentation it's not enough for the driver's license you'd United States issued let alone some documents that might be coming from abroad but I have to ask your question -- Rogers said. You know really the policy seems to be a rooms that is that that allows them to just do what they want to discriminate against a group. Is it not in the financial interest in the Boston culinary group to have as many people as possible on the premises and all of them if possible. Drinking and that he if he if they -- if that's really the commercial imperative which motivates them -- they should. Probably just be going for the passport saying hey look good to meet officer you know the officers conducting the sting on underage drinking. And an NB down with a -- it does that what you said your criticism just doesn't ring true with the company that's in business to serve people and make money."

" I can't get into the -- of the people about primary group to begin to understand that maybe it's informed and they think that it's -- a look at what -- Police someone based the -- the packet an army air your going to educate people out that the amp and a while it. I'm of the validity of the past quarter like that immigration law complicated I think its enforcement is on the ordinary or a bartender. All of this term that's having -- having -- did -- should -- there -- we should -- immigration -- work."

" I was there -- rats that drink I'm just not I'm not I'm just not find the idea that the reason why this went down is because they're trying to discriminate against illegal immigrants I mean let's be honest when. We talk about discrimination against illegal immigrants. It generally has to deal with Hispanics in this -- was an Irish guy who's been here for a decade. Right and it goes to get Barneys like all imminent by the way now -- have proper documentation."

" Right up more likely than not a well -- Based on the information about the law and -- well that's how -- dollar not so you know. Concede that it was well intentioned but misguided but it's certainly has in fact. Trying to comic art under immigration work at that pop art center is that people want to picture into chapter Mark. I would open up the immigration and where you know you aren't going to drive people further underground and and with -- people drink in the late in the back."

" At desktop -- side. You know miss rose makes a couple of good points to John the story the globe story actually reports listen to this. Canadians and Mexicans don't necessarily have the stamps because passports and it -- require it for them to into the country by land so neighbors to the north and neighbors to the south might get caught in this in the globe goes -- to report. Legal immigrants emphasis on the word legal legal immigrants who -- do the passports in the United States. Would also would not have happened a customs stamps -- you know this is interesting I think a lot of talk radio folks just love the jump up and down in. And scream about the ACLU but this has been helpful to kind of elaborate on the the globes -- stipulate the point about. Legal immigrants here needing to renew renew their passports and not having the state they should be given drinks the Canadians I have no love for the Canadians and look at the answer to bring Iran Molson anyway right what the heck -- Are strictly out elsewhere aren't -- Carol Rhodes she's the executive director of the ACLU with the ACLU is involved in the debate the driver if you will about a new policy that the Boston culinary group has imposed establish -- but and -- saying -- Check for an ID in if it's a passport foreign passport without a quote customs stamp on it then you can answer have been it's led to it's it's -- controversy tiempo casket at -- licensing board your guy apparently agrees with -- rose as well that this might be a little bit too much and not quite acceptable to his judgment as well -- and I think the chairman has been drinking a little bit too much that's why they are definitely the salas."

" Well -- sense that the armed and -- that would. Worker -- and we -- sixty."

" No we ultimately -- quick quick question while I still have him his rose with the with the ACLU given the situation right now as it as it as it's reported in the globe and as you help divided and expand upon it a little bit forest with the -- do you reach out to the Boston culinary group and asked for. A discussion on this and to -- in perhaps even enter into a negotiation. -- oh do you do do you go right court do you just off a comment in the press I'm curious how you address. The dynamics of this how -- you the illegal immigrants is what he's asking."

" I think it and about -- and the questions really about well and that that that bad I'll always thought people. That would can work something out as frequent human being into an understanding. People are well and that's sometimes make the mistake they don't understand what public quite complicated small entry and pressure we're happy that I am not oh and that ever ever go to our court first but I --"

" They go last resume well that's out to me like excellent advice to all parties including well everybody everybody involved miss rose we're going to let it go this -- very very helpful appreciated guys now that's great thank you that's Carol Rhodes she's the executive director of the ACLU"