Philip F. Lawler 4-17-08

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" 18774694322187746 -- to. Toll free number of our personal feeling to join us who's just breaking. Hope was of course of this -- US this week. Now one BC he's one of the Washington going up to New York for the weekend is going to celebrate masses saint Patrick's -- leaving Yankee Stadium as well."

" But that today ES LA is celebrated a mass at the the baseball stadium where the internationals play and -- who's going to address some students at Catholic university. And apparently in between those two events he he met. With some of the sex abuse victims. From the archdiocese of Boston."

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" And the let's see here. The private meeting which was first reported this afternoon has since been confirmed by the Vatican was brokered by Cardinal Sean O'Malley the meeting took place at the at the home of the pope's ambassador to the United States it did not appear in the pope's schedule but took place during window between amassed this morning. In a talky was to have to deliver later this afternoon. And he said it is again the of the new cardinal facilitated the visit does that put it after the Pope declined his repeated in in request to come to Boston. So what joining us and we will we plan to have them on anyway just -- to discuss the visit and what it's going to do for the the the state of the Roman Catholic Church and of the United States not just of Boston. Is Philip Lawler he's the author of a new book the faithful departed about the claps but Catholic culture in Boston book is doing very well outsider I've read -- it's I recommend and it's just a good read Phil thanks for being with us again on how -- show. What what do you think of this that this decision by the Pope to was quote -- secretly meet with the the sex abuse victims from Boston this afternoon."

" Well I think it's that it had to be secret because otherwise it which can be surrounded by so much. Controversy in the wanted to be in common situation as possible fact that he was meeting -- abuse victims was sort of leaking it is late last few days I didn't know exactly what was going to happen but it it was becoming clear that he. Had made the decision to meet these people."

" And so do you think this it does this make up for him not coming to Boston and just all the the terrible atrocities that happened over over over the last well forty or fifty years."

" Now of course that doesn't and he'd be the first one to tell you that -- that doesn't mean it's I think it's important. Gesture to try to promote healing and it's I think it's important for him to get it. More personal glimpse of the other side the victims. But we're beyond that we're way beyond the point where I'm meeting with -- few people can. Call -- halt the wounds of all the thousands of people who hurt --"

" With you know mostly when he was -- over on the plane and he was being interviewed on mass -- what you wrote about how -- you know that -- the the Catholic -- tried to describe this is a pedophilia scandal when it's in fact had a few -- just a small part of it that it's mainly it was mainly. Not exclusively but mainly homosexual -- reaping young men. And again he he used he's he tried to use that same. -- word pedophilia he -- he even want to talk about homosexuality but -- had to -- them are going to have any kind of files in the priesthood that's like saying you know we have a we have a problem with bank -- are -- killers you know I mean -- I just didn't understand why he would draw that distinction when it's sort of been discredited."

" You know during this visit weird thing -- have a lot of cooperation and some of his statements. You'd see. Are cut are raping -- speaking at some point very clearly unions pros and other points. Equally clearly -- the US conference of Catholic bishops speaking. The Pope buying no -- not refer to the success quote -- environment programs. That's just words that would come out of his mountain Hamlet on the culture at the forum. And I have to assume that that's what's going on when he made the distinction between that a -- on the sexuality now. It maybe that he was trying to focus in say you know we get to issues it is an issue of homosexuals in the priesthood. And -- an issue of the abusers and and not the same issue. But -- to deny that there is any relationship in just. -- reach out."

" 18774694322 if you want to talk to Phil -- about the the situation with the pope's visit in the and he met with some of the victims of sexual abuse here in the from Boston they were brought down my guess over the last couple days to DC about a minute and he the -- apple ambassador's home but he didn't he wasn't on his schedule then if you want to talk about that -- want to talk about the situation in in Boston in general we can do that as well the title of Phil's book is the faithful departed and you can order from our website and how we cart dot com 1877. 469 4322 I noticed too you know you make that you make a point I've repeated it says since then. That you know less than 5% of the the priests the parish priest were involved in this sort of thing. But probably two thirds to three quarters of the of the bishops were involved and at the very least and cover -- sold -- is I mean he's he's meet again the only issue have to meet with the the brass. But he's meeting with the bishops. You know the people who were involved in the cover ups."

" Right and you know let me just caught your attention to 11 thing that on the bishops last night said. Well quoting cardinal George that that this has sometimes been very badly and that's of course -- seen frequently. Well let's take it one step further by home. -- let's let's test them. And numbers because if this was very badly handled which by the way is not is standing by. A case that was responsible because that liked and talent like to know. These people -- be trade our trust in the trees in essence that use in the integrity of the -- why aren't they still in office."

" Right right at me he really couldn't go to Los Angeles committee and be with cardinal Mahony."

" Don't have to go to Los Angeles -- just north of Boston."

" McCormick yeah we've talked about him dryly bill a bishop McCormack from Manchester, New Hampshire a guy who actually was in charge a flat out lie and the people about replacing these these guys."

" And it's so long list but I just yet you don't expect the Pope and the Cambodian parents for not acting bishops one by one but -- I think as -- they're working on the time when words are going to do too much I think it's very important for him to they would set it to do east and meeting with these people. But the next step is forced. Probably some American bishops to take initiative themselves need to resign around their collectors."

" You know really bugs the hell out of people to that cardinal law is still over there -- in in Rome I mean in in the -- basically a plush Billy Bulger style retirement. After after what he he did that that just you know what's. It's it's undercuts everything that the message that he's trying to bring here you know being concerned about the the the abuse situation doesn't it felt."

" I think it's and I think you and I can agreement but again I don't think of tradition -- great because. They justices in the capitalized and analyze anymore than was because if he's penalized more we start looking around saying they widely used --"

" Where it was -- with Phil Lawler he's the author of the new book the faithful departed it's a story about the what happened in Boston and -- into the book places it's it's in bookstores everywhere you can order from our website how we cart dot com let's take some calls for Phil -- Brendan -- next with how -- car and Phil -- author of the faithful departed go ahead Brendan."

" book -- book. It is a question with -- where as a homosexual pure evil all she gently he is sustained -- oh which is still -- he's in jail yes yeah it definitely is -- a sentencing you know. I'll have to go look it -- the -- I got caught -- finger."

" Thanks thanks -- 18774694322 I -- to homosexuals are capable of heterosexual intercourse and vice versa he wants the intellectuals are capable of homosexual act in my opinion he was the worst. You agree or not if."

" Oh yeah it was when I further revelations about Paul Shanley is just you know up until then -- been in this country of council. And at that point I just you know this is indefensible."

" that that letter he wrote I mean that was shot -- letter that was that was one of the boat I mean it takes a lot to shock you at that point when you read though on the front page of the newspaper. News just well that it was appalling. Thanks for the call for an addict you're next with how we -- Phil -- author of the faithful departed go ahead dec."

" it ago. Hey Ali put me I don't Q which you call Celia homosexual -- be it doesn't it. The bottom line is these kids were used. And when you have. Central figure like cardinal law still lose out there when you've got McCormick when you've got all these people ever associated with it. Debt -- busting rocks. In Walpole we're getting abused themselves could not say Alex is no torture no penalty too great to be caught the fact that welcome is walking around. And the fact that the church has become -- hard on them. That debt to beat the bottom line Elliott and and we're gonna be marked -- it it's just it's completely totally unacceptable."

" Was McCormick there at that meeting last night fell by the way do you know. I don't know -- I would mean yeah that is a travesty to."

" You know I have to say people of Boston understandably come down very cardinal law. You know every American capital -- on who's now living in the room was on the flight from Rome to Washington except one. -- living as a sort of exiled internal exile on asking for great sympathy for him just saying he wasn't the only. He's the only one who's who's suffer that penalty but he was."

" Yeah but he would go to the -- was running for Pope to mean that that puts a -- he he thought he did he think at some level early on that he could be that the first American -- I think that's Rhodesia just have to read the tea leaves thanks for the call Dick did your next with Howie Carr and Phil -- author of the faithful departed go ahead and."

" I I just yet you touched on this just now with gotten a lot of the fact is in the truth and reconciliation commission in South Africa this -- components it's an apology it's punishment. It's reconciliation in compensation. They haven't done any punishment. And to -- that being put over into Rome in two ways basilica is punishment it is just. Incredible."

" Agreed and and there's also a truth binding element here because. I think it's something that keeps getting lost. Is we focus on not our the abuse and it's not to because it's really horrible. But it wouldn't have continued is still works for the fact. The bishops were so completely divorced from the proper understanding what the applicant is they it would serve -- thing. So let these -- continued doing what they were doing."

" you pour it on your book they didn't think of it is a sand they thought of that as a public relations. And you're right that that total they were totally divorced from all the lessons that they were big they tried to teach us. From a from a very early age they -- they obviously didn't believe what they were teaches us right."

" The point that you know you're dispute you put your finger right on it they didn't believe they eat they aren't have been thinking what what you know what Catholics. Professor when there were making the decision to put these visit these priests back into circulation."

" Thanks for the call -- John you're next with Howie Carr and Phil -- author of the faithful departed go ahead John."

" I -- until the opposed out a couple of days and I am Macao Macao -- my life and I've known solely good priests all my life what they did have some program all the wonderful priests and afraid local people who've gotten batter got Nichols had their rise Q and all kinds of wonderful things lot of good -- the -- an -- priests who fought. Will award to lead against the German -- so I'm calling to do that might create a little bit no excuse for what happened. What I also like to mention a lot of doctors signed up that these guys who went to create organs were okay -- optical back in the vessel while Gloria I want it -- view was one also. Was signed agreements to let these guys goal -- let the word let go over the side agreements to keep it hush hush so that a lot is an extended period responsible I believe more capital matches who thoughtful politicians. -- to a partial birth abortion are equally guilty of child abuse their hands and not clean so people won't give it to hold true for almost -- local. People are Rolling -- to portable Bill Clinton went to a partial birth abortion and and board against the legal port so Big -- laws are reform and every once hot."

" Oh I completely agree with you I mean I think that I'm defending the Catholics face but what I'm doing now by calling the bishops -- account. I also think am defending good priests because if we have some clarity on. Issue we can make some distinctions you know it priests have taken it from there. Because they are viewed with suspicion because you there aberrant Cali we're doing things and were not disciplined for them and now as a result all priests are being looked on -- aspects and that's really a tragedy. I think that the sex abuse crisis which knowing that there is a lot of corruption with in the church -- corruption really needs to be rooted out."

" Thanks for the call John good time for more if Lebanon with ginger next with Howie -- enough Phil -- author of the faithful departed go ahead James."

" Make up or do you think that what was just being protective Serbian a good soldier from Turkey and -- Mistress tight listings frontline because it it seemed like kidneys get this reward for Keaton as much -- the business go on as normal."

" There're certainly worse X files than he's had two in a year fail you'll you'll admit that --"

" Oh absolutely absolutely I think that active trader at different -- a little bit but not completely ethnic and that's he's he is where he says he's in relatively nice retirement position. Because there's a couple days ago he took one for the team. He did what any other bishops did but he was the first one to get caught at it he was cut most spectacularly. It was forced to resign they kept -- And face jesus' as the sort of unequal results. That's why he as they say that's what is -- as."

" Thanks for the call James Evian next with how we card Phil Lawler author of the faithful departed go ahead --"

" Yes thank you are they are just -- earlier caller. And leave comments relevant to ops are all preakness as being splashed you know about police cops and firefighters you know something in the goes good for -- what was the thinking well I'll caps -- cops are suspects alt fire at are no I don't it would uniforms and military people. So I'm really interested what's the distinction white Ford you know we don't think I'll. Please options at bats there's somebody messes up on the job as a poster so that's when it's number two and usually it's no new insights about a couple of years ago the Pope had written -- and was and it will watts but said that you could be ordained priests and go to seminary in 96 and three years to it out. Years whatever and -- appointee culture. And that."

" this second things first stint with the document came out of the Vatican -- That's that's on the actual should not be it seminaries of priest that question when it -- sexuality sexual relations with -- of -- measure of whether or not somebody's. Is -- actual regarding."

" So that was the statute of limitations set up."

" Well no legitimate you know in other words did did you have it did you do something really stupid when you get to the teenager or are you actually -- Homosexual but -- adding that the question of police officers and by the way at the early call a lot of people have a lot to four year. There's some cops to have something to Atlanta for a because there were cups and knew about the use and to report it didn't make it public. But I'd said that an institution it's corrupt whether it's the police the bishops who would ever when the good ones cannot root out the bad."

" we have to stop you there but we appreciate -- being with us again -- show in the title your block is the faithful departed it's an excellent though work recommend -- thanks a -- we at 187746943221 car"