Jamarhl Crawford

" Right. When you can protect yourself respect selfless thing to do -- itself any publicity they call for. We got the same problems still struggles that we puzzling well -- a couple months. Brand name on -- and -- welcome back top generating hit you while listening to veterans forum that music in the background was. The sound of Jamal Crawford he's the chairman of the new black he had -- body. He is that quoted in today's globe story which we would discuss suggest before we went on to -- He should know that from Jamal Crawford's website. While lifelong Bostonians Jesus."

" Open word -- and as I said a moment ago. The chairman of the new black paint and body not only his Jamal prophet himself taken a position of opposition to this. Police effort the safe home initiative that the the mayor and the police commissioner announced. A proposed at least several months ago but the new black at the body as well we'd reached out to Jamal Crawford with delighted he was -- the dryness in mister Crawford thank you for joining us in Iraq progress forum. Good morning to -- assert. In an interview it's okay with you -- he was mr. crop and I don't want to be inappropriately informal. And I want to make sure I pay all appropriate respect mister Crawford as I read the quotes in the newspaper and -- the article basically says the black community is split on this but the overwhelming sentiment seems to be. We want nothing to do with this. We do not want to have the police asking for entry into our homes we think this is the beginning of something that would be be wrong. And yet the mayor and others including members the nation of Islam. Also I think a pretty well known group in the black community say. This is voluntary the -- motives pure here in this will get guns off the street and save young. Black lives how to how do you respond when you get the police in the nation of Islam saying goes -- to describing the program the way they have."

" Our wolf -- all of our don't think it -- that that's necessarily a fair characterization. Because. The nation of Islam support has their condition. And obviously is a problem are going long on and everyone is looking for solutions. -- for the senseless violence are so everyone is in full agreement they. Myself to nation as slaw all members of the community -- want this policy stopped to question it was a massive. -- you know law iBook the police and citizens we as well that -- also police we will lose it and their efforts to curb violence. Could be. -- well spent in other areas for instance. You know investigating cutting off the the pipeline. Of all of guns -- that says he can somehow make their way and Oxford book -- and Jamaica Plain insults and and so mother that there's. Our social -- that's really -- Everyone on -- we recognize there is the problem in the problem needs to -- stop but we still think this -- to stop we think that this -- well our order hurt."

" Mr. Crawford have as we've had the mayor and occasionally the a police commissioner on they do talk about the gun pipeline that you mentioned in. Apparently they have a pretty active task forces that work on getting down to Georgia or in the Carolinas. In other states down in the south -- gun. Purchase and transportation is a -- gullible lot easier than it is around here they expressed their frustration but nonetheless they did the -- added they haven't I don't think. They have given up on at the same time. They say when they're doing deal worked out here in the schools in the streets where you and I Aaron we've made our homes raised up families and elect. Sometimes -- pick up information and I'll use myself as an example let's say that about 1516 year old kid. And they picked up information from my school -- guidance counselor or even maybe some of my acquaintances that. -- Finneran hanging out with the wrong guys zinni's seems to be gone off on the wrong direction. You know by perhaps my parent -- even got -- offer information that. They're troubled by the calls that I'm getting at night of the visits and they have reason to believe them maybe go and and again in the wrong direction if my parents -- guiding and wanted to say to a police officer. He could do command and look around a little nervous but you know while he's away at school or whatever could you -- a look around he might he. He might have something here in terms of fight of fight at Powell firearms. That I don't want in the house in the police say Barack. Hey with first would happen to have the cooperation second we're not going to arrest them we just want to get the gun away from him so it's not on the street and not adding to that senseless violence. That at least now maybe -- too much credit to the you know to the to the police. Commissioner into the -- if that's the cops but that seems to me to be exactly what they've said about this from day one."

" Well what they said it and what they've made to look are are two different things when you look at the documentation that they've provided. It's always does not always in tune with what is saying about our -- of -- scenario is -- Started off with -- god also -- providing -- sit -- it ended up with -- say comments are. The two part it is is worrisome because anonymous tips. Or it's or lose what what not all are subject who partisans. It's. Perceptions. So all -- their response -- someone may well every vote do and other local -- address whereas there was nowhere. Another person maybe you persons -- that risk or our risk it doesn't fit the part so they go under the radar. -- both the left party listeners who is the part. There's people with would would then that the the police if you want to do this. -- the -- the community is given the police and a slew of suggestions with. They haven't taken one thing is. Make us separate number or whatever you do give people all over the call it and it it is -- parent or guardian themselves. Feels as though the -- lost control of the -- they walked the police to comment. That that I would have no problem -- a program like that as long as the only way it's initiated. Is by the same. Our veterans who was. Ought to have their -- search I shouldn't be able to call on you do in future -- search or if the police to knock on the door. Because you know that -- too much what."

" I bet that's a fit that's okay appoint mr. -- remained I think it everybody LP who's listening to me and you have this little chat this conversation understands the rivalries. There -- biases. I might have every motive to try to set you want to be perfectly honest about it. In the -- but I want to make sure he clearly if in fact a parent or guardian says hey I'm worried about losing control of my house might my son is just too big too strong and you go too fast in the wrong direction. At that point need to you know the by the dubbed the black at the body would have an objection to the police being voluntarily invited into a particular home."

" Now see what would've -- it at that point. It ships and two apart since our choice so I still if they can't Ahmard Hall would be almost all of that as -- says -- that went smoothly but of course all the gonna be -- Are you truly do have a concept search not an impromptu knock on your door where in three minutes. You're forced to make a decision that could have a critical impact on on the written at least the near future of your life are particularly your child's. -- I think -- it was truly consent program that will remove much of the criticism by the community but if people are able to get into this studio reporting -- Cool or guardians brought it out guardian. But got it also part of me or what have you Ciurciu whatever I think that's going to be a very slippery slope and not just because of malicious reporting with somebody's really try this set somewhat not but also on and support they may not know how many times have people walk down the street. Seen some kid and a chill goes up their spine and you think this -- might yup to no good and seeing you know cute passes you -- profit down the street. Part of his old business so there's a lot of arms about what was supper for that and that's really the ultimate this year because how could they give inane. The goal to detect these people's stores. I would assert that racial profiling at its finest because these are all black Latino -- To justify that they courtly you know and use the hotspots -- this is where the violence and what you really know -- Obama takes place and you but -- unable to control over your little look failure to be able that can you talk in the first place. That is double the police to keep guns and drugs soft Sri so you know it it it can -- go. -- around in circles here at all but I as well that what the that this is the -- the quote that I was I was actually. Surprised. -- commissioner Eric davis'. Remarks in the newspaper that they that he was just really shocked about this you know. This incredible backlash by the community and I think that really just -- to speak to how some of these administrators are sitting at in their positions. And they cut a little a little bit it's such without the communities on the ground community has the local while this. Our since at least at least change where are those are all needed we it was that was what was war or -- that -- global that the fish. This meeting it was parked to 115. People that there's. So it's -- critical issue I think they just need to do a better job what they say that they try to do all along which is community police. The order that duke community policing you have to actually listen to the community and allow them to dissipate in the process."

" We're talking to Jamal Crawford he's the chairman of the new black -- the body quoted in today's globe article that it -- that indicates. There are divisions in the black community and that right now the sentiments no I don't mean to put words in mr. -- but I'll summarize the article. That the sentiment in the black community is in strong opposition strong resistance to this. The police commission has expressed some dismay some surprise. At that resistance I'm curious and I want to get to call it to a weak hand mister Crawford but before right get to be very ticker call on a I was going to ask you to grade I realize you know the the critique you profit of commission to davis' a sense of surprise and dismay. But it sounds as if the police have also been making multiple efforts that there have been multiple meetings that there's a good amount of dialogue and listening. Going on do you have the sense that they've gone to try to revise his program in response to your comments and others or they just they seem determined to. Push. Aggressively ahead in the form in which it was originally announced."

" revised from what I seen every time that they they combat guts or not order these meetings and state and changed our you know you've been around the block the state house what -- I think that. What happens is the pro whaling vessels has not been changed at all what -- it's in the land with squat in the local. So I think that the law opposition that the unity and you know giving -- the very hard questions it is allowed them to. -- tight in there argument and it has allowed them to slip in the package are with which they describe it fundamentally nothing about the program itself. All the way it's carried out implemented our cash changed -- I'd seen all paper I have seen. The language that they use to describe the program. Change. But but that's about it I casino chains in the programming yes I -- think they are. The on roll well would -- And that probably -- one thing it is com in this bizarre. There's demand it was kind of that the leading proponent of this of these -- take care this. That this initiative is named Gary efforts. One thing it does come out in all the although an insurrection is. I mean it is going to release may -- from mayor a couple of years something because all the reports this is the great they'll offer I have ever want that report on the so raw emotion that's very good -- you know we have opposite like that who that woman called me you know he's been lot of of course is that he's explain to -- where. You know a hundred different arms to a hundred different people on you know and that's the type dialogue we need. So also -- don't want people to get the idea that you some power some sort of mortal combat with the Boston Police force here we disagree on."

" This particular ideas on the issue of -- and I believe this could have. A critical impact on my community -- devastating impact on my community which is why I have to vocal in the polls this. Fought -- other than that and if you were the problems we have with the department. This is not a war on the police or we'll be back in essence this is this is the war but he is right."

" Okay we're talking to hood Jamal Crawford he's the chairman of the new black -- body there's a profit if we can -- looks like we have a call coming in. High school teacher -- council calling in any is calling. From Newbury put any Iran the it would Jamal Crawford he's the chairman isn't black -- the body and obviously meet Tom Finneran Iran for ignorance forum."

" Right that's bickered about it mr. Crawford good morning or bombs. I I think just from the perspective -- school teacher and got very very worked very closely without guidance department and it's not mean I just -- sort of corrected I could ignite -- in the guidance counselors you being completely objective. Beat these professionals. I -- masters degrees in psychology. They generally. Collect information from there it of people in the schools that teachers who are concerned and could be. Act of aggression or threats being made a -- kids. And they compile that information and they have certain reporting requirements by rob that they have to follow. And I want to be more inclined because -- judgment. And in tandem with the teachers -- That I would necessarily an anonymous hotline."

" Let me let me give mr. -- chance to response so. I be any Indian -- mr. graphic you and I could be that guidance counselor and any of these schools that kids attend and we see things in he had things over the day -- don't -- over the years we develop our credibility. Where I when he -- makes the point that an anonymous hotline. Could probably be the most dangerous place evolve from mr. And -- good -- guidance counselor rock coach somebody you deposition. Really has a little bit more insight into the way these kids act. Nobody said that when you hear that from a professional."

" Well -- the you know we know we need the tragedy well. Column bar. Submitting our schools across the country is -- there about what to say that. Whether these people are playing. Not colleges are whatever level incident and -- there was also cracked. So let's not -- The school system of all who let this. That's what and so. Is that they would not have this or off outrage that we. If that was the case we would not at criticism is that -- their system that we. -- while I recognize. That there are. You know our house. Tens of thousands. Article shall cross country -- state or our -- wonderful dedicated people. Let's not also all -- so I think that's something I'll say don't bring to work with them. All. What they have as people. We're not that it does describe this thing is subjective it really does."

" So let let me interrupt the break him mister Crawford on that went in let's say for example because you -- no school system or guidance counselors and individual system. As a you know is a system is going to be perfect there going to be lapses they're going to be. Things that accuracy you have the power of a column by. But worst case let's say you and I again as guidance counselor suspected you know so and so was really gone off the on going off the rails and we advise the police we advise officer French and his team. That -- this kid is. Showing all the wrong sides they go to the house they knock on the dual they go to the house in our information is bad. At that point there is no god it is nothing -- in the police say look we're not going to prosecute if we find. You know we find -- wheat. We're not you know we're -- and went from the housing authorities that they -- You know that their contraband in or anything else with just booked in for the gods would not even -- initiate prosecution we just want to grab the god no god is there in the example that have given him. How is the community. How to buy that even though you and I as the guides counsels who gave the tip data every information wasn't perfect."

" Well first of all dependent on whether or. A lot of the are they go to their home there was nobody on our. Let's say this is it might be -- the -- street Paul little or or what have. How does that look for the rest -- the pull it out. About -- or what if he did have a good and as they like to talk also what's this community -- everybody Sheraton on the street. Now the -- on Ed -- cost 600000. Dollars whatever now the current calls. Who was problem."

" We'll put that -- is who. Both flight -- that -- happy to put it back now. Are is this person's family say now what this person lives of the grandma all the police. But there. And protect the -- Know off the lead the out of the effects in business. So really. We have what we have a situation here where some of the things that -- that lauded. Let -- this purposes that that article promised you know that delivers services that was in the after the in this search. There's no apology for that that's not included anywhere in the budget there's a referral program or referral is as simple as it it is all."

" There's a phone number at no we're we we've we agree on out of phone number doesn't do the trick if -- Finley gets on the line let's continue to take some calls of we can't. Martinez's calling from -- Martinez what's going on."

" Yeah I mean you on. You reduce recidivism Islam that is -- between. This but the fact of the partners of Islam that the department knew we could that applies some problems is going -- in the black community. But I also limits city that we shouldn't also -- to all of these crimes -- his game as a company. Under the black community because we also -- about first actress division. Easily who isn't it is used to do -- them from the Caribbean aid to -- Seven Domingo form. Two -- but well. We'll Cambodia also -- Vietnam War -- a bogus. -- of the you have to risk management and to a criminal lot of it is trying to and a community in all of this plan didn't live on the black community and let people in America. The opposite of what you -- village. That -- went on to say it is and child found messier who afforded flat revenues of report. And Chelsea do with eight seamless a report so -- a -- great and benefit had a problem. But the whole global Boston. As a prop."

" About a Martinez very I agree don't mean to interrupt -- Jamal Crawford the chairman of the party and I I as a white guy -- as the chairman of the black at the -- would agree no group has exclusive claim on or is this to its exclusive source of the violence were both -- as senseless violence in the white community can be every bit as violent than Hispanic in recent immigrants. The whole thing I think is to try to get the communities. Plural. To work with the police and cooperative way to bring this senseless violence -- I've spent. -- conceded that -- voluntary problem works but I was curious to you mr. -- explanations as to his resistance and they you know the resistance that he's seen at the community. The community meetings appreciate the call let's go to Bob calling from new and hey Bob. Welcome -- on the air with Tom Finneran and more importantly Jamal Crawford the chairman of the new black -- the body or Boston."

" I can't before I get to my point -- you let -- on their say it was 45 unreported murders Charleston. He has so all of that that's not true there wasn't 45 murders in Charlestown last year."

" World sometimes I think the -- statements that people make had to speak for themselves out and."

" At this Muslim guy on there because he's -- considered it was 45 unreported murders in Charleston."

" Let outdated -- call to speak to mr. Crawford and --"

" mister Crawford Crawford for forty years I've been listing to the problems in the black community. For forty years. Your community gets worse and worse and worse every year why are you guys -- look at them Mara. Accurate results and take care your problem equipped blade and everybody else. One."

" Let me let me give mr. Crawford a chance to respond read it yet I'll say this and -- I'll say this from my perspective as a -- that I haven't heard him blame anybody I've heard -- point out. His concerns about a programmer proposal the police have proposed -- like the program I think it would work and I think it might make. A difference a small difference but an important difference but I haven't -- blame anybody -- property we have Bob from -- his critique is that. There's no no sense of responsibility in the black community."

" Oh. You know it's it's it's that age old. No problem. I think the people oh personable. You can not a star. On the people. The responsibility. Of funding the war on pop. Meaning. That people would just port you don't insult look audible -- You know Israel all the in the pool okay that's and it is the all indications of -- people. All what I have -- is that the white community. Often cart does not want to even -- So all the points. That would support. The argument that I take care of yourself that what you need to write to me. This I don't know let me what about the Vietnamese people if you if you ask me a question in my book or you let me answer a little bit of trying to -- a little background that's all right. I can tell you already very emotional because you sound like you have a personal acts are but I'm just saying that. Or you look at what happens with black people who vote who the well the in this country we cannot erase that. It will once we all are the lobbyists say irrigate input -- happened so long ago and is just not. -- my grandmother's grandmother will leave my grandmother was a lot right now remember that the little girl programmable who was asleep while older sister my grand bought. Taught to read what she was a little -- So it's not so -- government. Outside society the effects of slavery transatlantic slave trade. Jim Cole after that the what you want to talk about the Latino community order or Asian community all of them people have one singing com. No matter where you look on the planet what you find open question at the -- it. Is because you'll European. Domination. He -- fat please don't argue with Jamal Crawford about it may -- promised federal would like to do another show on auto race in its entire."

" We brought in a given Barack Obama's speech given Barack Obama's speech last week I might want to actually take you up on that mr. profit. And and -- that club from new gives voice to a lot of concerns and I don't think it means the white community is racist or different. He just -- you hear it repeated after repeat generation after generation it's just like. Gee we need a war on poverty we need this we need that and yet most of the violence I think you'd agree mr. Crawford. Most of the violence is black on black and snow white on black it's not an exploitation. It's not our as -- my hatred it's black on black or it's not a candidates say this is senseless."

" I would not agree with them all the two pilots are. Exit or the global local. Or the ball but this world economic. Worst of the violence in this world result question oppressive violence. And then you get the results addition to the petty street crime that you deal with now get frustrated citizen read you have now who have lack of resources. Or impoverished. Our outlook as suffering from an influx of guns and air and controlled only they want in the black community take responsibility. What what the white community taking responsibility -- because if you haven't noticed. You know quite well park is not a Coca fields. We're not going cocaine in the look Boston he would not built in guns in the middle also here so really in this -- the question what about the police departments and once again. Where does this -- common for."

" We'll let -- ask that question and I want to go back to police officer Gary French -- you discredit discredit very positive almost glowing terms plus."

" I a said that that is -- that is the consensus that I did not I don't openly at that well it'll a lot of direct in our direction people very pleasant prospect he apparently as a stellar record could everyone not talked to look I am has had these glowing report."

" Well -- he has that would all call street cred with many many others with whom you talk and converse and work with on a daily basis. Went when he stands up and addressed to gives you he has street cred and he tries to give you and other critics the sense of comfort and reassurance about this program. Why does in his street cred translate into some. More active cooperation to get the program going and try to get some of these guns that you and I both cringe about off the streets."

" Well because unfortunately Gary -- does not run the Boston Police Department and being that -- as a soldier or army and has to take orders it is my belief. That at some point if this program work to change direction our you know they do this for weeks. And then you know the commissioner -- the mayor are some big case happened it causes them to change directory and they say hey Gary easy you know marching orders."

" But then unemployment the -- that point if they do a change in direction they'd be Iraq and they go away from what they've told me and you -- countless others and this is good that we were -- and out there's thousands of people listening right now paying attention. And if they -- direction then again because it's voluntary organized in an -- when the police -- and exits and can we commend the house Tom and look at his son and yet he had -- his bedroom and just check things out of say -- thanks yeah yeah yeah and -- even on my friends -- has let alone in my front all so while please leave office. Again because it's voluntary. We need you and other members of those communities have the right to say no at any time when weeks. What we see the evidence. Of the program gone go wrong you know they've given -- a big wave in the -- To -- up mr. Robert -- and leaving without thought of you can hang on. But at the shortest of breaks and then and that we're gonna come back to -- profit chairman of the new black at the body as well as your calls in a moment on I am succeed WRKO. Welcome back Tom turner NE AU while listening to parents for money M 680 WRKO. We'll catch up -- Steve Bailey in an hour at about eight -- gonna talk about the recession right now too much going on with Jamal Crawford the chairman of the new black -- a body in Boston he's expressing his concern his objections. To the mayor and the police commission is voluntary program save homes where police -- might knocked on the door and asked to search assignment on his room. Based on information. That is senate -- be gone down on the -- could come from a coach. Guidance counselor -- yeah. Street information that you know you behavior has been up the let's go to -- Jennings. Calling from. Wherever it -- welcome difference forum. How will you."

" I'm I'm pretty. It's not tear gas. Very impressed. So far -- what I've heard I'm national spokeswoman for Second Amendment sisters. Inviting me yup I'm white I'm not in the community however I think I've written about this particular issue. Is a policeman came to my -- and that I want to want to check your kids through I would say gosh I'm sorry but yes. I think that the communities that are being. Focused upon by Boston. Are composed of people that don't know they -- and a and we'll be intimidated by someone coming to the door. I think that this is the problem of violence is not a problem of conflict and then this assignment because then group. I would. Suggest that people read black man with a -- by Ken Blanchard he addresses the problems of the black community. And I under the -- now. I -- it and very impressed that he."

" watching -- Jenny thank you very much he says spokesperson a leader of Second Amendment amendment sisters at a Maine and obviously our guest is Jamal Crawford. He's the chairman of the new. Black panther Heidi. In in Boston -- and he is an individual and day the new black panther party expressing their concerns I want to challenge what did -- just said however mr. Crawford African want to in involve you when the challenge. It's my sense. That people in the black community including my neighbors in -- I really do know via our rights -- they have the right to say no to that friendly police officer who's knocking on the door. And asking to command that it's not a question of either. Intimidation. Or ignorance. And that some would say yes please command I to worried about my son and others would stand there. Quite quite confident blame comfortably insane no officer you don't have any right to commit to this house and not gonna take a step forward. Which. They would just sense of ms. Jennings characterization of the community and not being willing to assert themselves in that way."

" Well you know I think it's. A little -- this -- that we not a monolithic people. So you know some sort of knock on you might get. All Harvard trained lawyer. Another door you may not call if you make a depression is not as not aware their rights or specific process. Whatsoever. All you know I think they have forcible you know I am also a person who was you know not you know against gun owners you know. What political order. Or in your life. Legally able have a follow along great I think that applies to any kids under seventeen commercial heartened squirrels substance -- in the fields are we looking police -- the door we have to look at this historical connotation other."

" Of government that we would be and the community that we have -- so are put myself. Who would very well aware of the law. Old or what have you if he's probably not on this if something's going to the electrical art school for what it. I get pulled over and you're still instinctively nervous. I think the problem when -- the war but don't you -- well where you're right it's still. It's so. Our problem was not aware of their life -- could be down right intimidate."

" a difficult question in terms of that hypothetical and and get right to the calls in a minute if they can just hang on but if the police officer who came to your dual. Was a black police officer that you've known for years and he's not out you know he's not our -- you know law are not a tech guy he's a reasonable guy he's aware of the history he's aware of the context is where you. Anxieties the way any civilians and anxious when a police officer stops them that black police officer at it to us says to you. Jamal I've got information about your son let me he had what do you say in that circumstance."

" Wilson was against you -- is different because. I would have full control of my household and I don't need to police to search. My house I paid for and a child could navigate control of that so it's just it's just ridiculous dot -- different generation. What are. You know in that it's the Mario spoke person -- people -- To open it dole what I would what I would say is. To that we're allowed at least -- without -- warrant because it can just open that door to actual order. If the effect you truly belief because a child -- the -- And you completely lost control. Are out there were many people that you -- to help turn to someone in your church or clergy go to local church if you don't have year old church are there were several different community groups and more in the process now -- popular. Ways to organize to address this. Or -- wouldn't -- that -- the then that's how far you can call it that. Both business and you'll sort. What's the story -- made for that are in the same war -- go around knocking on doors -- if that's the way it should happen optic. I think rabbit in the police knocking on people's doors people should have to literally knock on the police is cool spot."

" And an invite you all rock appoint let's get to Alex -- dramatic and the money Alex how are you today Irani it would Jamal Crawford from the new black panther party. And Alex. Well they don't know Alex your idea."

" Yeah. I can't I have to take umbrage with what the gentleman from the black campus parties they -- you know it's the floor of the -- this bit that the you know the gentleman call bought though he doesn't like the Moslem and thought -- or it'll. What is political are now the police come that the bill book you know they shouldn't have to but -- stop wait wait all is tied at area. Our goal that if they indicate. They're responsible for opt problem you know it ain't white oak -- doubt I'll bring in the guns back he would build up on the street -- look at the it ain't white -- disarm -- problem well Roland on the highway. Smoking and did it on gene in humans. You know we've got the stop blaming other people and take responsibility for all community and flat but he knuckle it's the round trade them -- the the -- you know and it's from selling truck stop light of people that try to get people fighting there and the spot -- he's not -- you know."

" Alex let me get let me give mr. Crawford a chance to respond."

" Well obviously what I can take responsibility for this must sell commodities around my family my community. All of the order those people are I've dedicated my life to turn it around my whole life -- of the world lives below the people around. Our. -- we're no angels you know we called out. Are in a system and at a time where most of us have suffered the loss of solid most of pluses."

" Have dealt with. -- because most of us have called for awful old rules there is -- make it. So people visit great give a -- That is going all. Unfortunately old spot that we don't get to talk about public good since -- Like -- this is about community newspaper. Or is there -- So there's a lot of good things that would support as well we bought the mega millions. You know law some of the larger organizations look over the people will paper. Of the -- your data would have. So what the witness for the -- about each one reach 11 that is what do so argue comments."

" I hear it's valid that your opinion."

" Let's keep Alex on the line I want to ask Alex a question Alex has a black man living in -- handy if called to express you yeah you are opposition in your disagreement. With Jamal Crawford from the new black panther party I'm curious what you think you black neighbors in Matta and think about this idea. Had a police commissioner of the mayors say hey this will help us make a dent we think gets on guns out of the hands of young kids. Mr. Kravitz made his opposition very very clear consistently through the whole time with had a money yet and yet you live in the neighborhood as well the other neighborhood is -- subject to this violence is mr. profits what you take on your neighbors view."

" Well I don't know you know I live right now on the street several streets there you -- of bullets -- you know we have. Some problems with with the gun violence where where I grew up in non. -- quit you know -- that labor. Anti police you know the few people like Jamal yeah. -- set themselves but lead isn't a look at that -- only give elect a speaker or you don't -- not -- mostly you know a mom -- from the yeah well definitely come across when it you know and where they are split it was not the well. Is that a mediator -- go out and we'll remember of violence. You know I I don't know -- I led to the burning everything. You know you not indicative of community what it -- is that parents. I'm not control their kids anymore what is good is that we we do well in these social program. That make it's depended on the in an image and -- take away it's spot really from the parents. And that's what the children at one law we need -- are at least well action and the police should not epochal you'd go in ask permission it going out and check it. West support it'll give the door."

" Well Alex and had put -- imperfect agreement with mr. Crawford Jamal has said repeatedly would never happen in my house I got control of my house. It get the disagreement you to a happening is exactly what's captured in the in the globe article I guess I'm not surprised to see that this conflict it's not --"

" And a disagreement -- apparently. Well Alice. -- a couple of ports aim with the political white. Is that if they are on the board of responsibility. He's -- all. Never really -- we do so our state it's his point is is is okay is just not applicable here."

" Let's take a quick call from June from Joe into what Chester and I don't know mr. -- can be of the stay with us into another segment but I want to get -- on. While we candidate will find out businesses is important stuff I want to get to the bottom of this issue with mr. Crawford and Alex and Jo-Jo -- run he had with the Jamal Crawford from the new black Tampa body."

" Monica that did you come up against art -- Let me just say this for the first time -- As I've known of that but -- have a party. I am an agreement with them on this issue. And and maybe about the same reason by. I think that maybe this may not be a police problem. -- guidance counselors are. And others in the community are serving. Behaviors that they consider. To be indicative of some youngsters who -- out there. Maybe -- directly to put this is in the hands of the so services businesses. Because once you invite the police again. It was one offices I mean maybe make them and it made me have agreements and that I know of it very. The good people in the police department have put together this program but what that brought him in that door and he -- contraband. He may be obligated at that time because of agreement that is the word. Not to do anything at that moment. But he's gonna be on them all back into his -- Peace and he's gonna say I know that this kid over here as is influenced things. And he may as a human being and as a as a law enforcement officer. Target that person because that's just."

" that's -- that's a -- point and on that let me give Jamal -- a chance to respond to the proposal -- the idea -- and also -- of ideas at these community meetings that social service offices be that wants to respond ought to knock on the draw as opposed to police offices does that strike you as a better -- got me a mister Crawford."

" I think that you know first of all obviously if these problems could be handled by missiles servers the problem we want to have these problems you know what it would -- so once again in -- state house you know everybody is cut that back against the wall everybody's overworked understaffed and -- budget if -- massive cuts in funding for all sorts of programs that we -- work. So off for that reason I don't think that departments such social services which results -- Could take on -- added responsibility. Also to meet its regular listeners apostles did some research is called the school to prison pipeline and what -- the votes to lose that already in the school systems of things we have these things in place young -- or is crucial aggressive behavior off far more likely eating a white children -- aggressive behavior to Bibby led. -- Are we have instances around the --"

" Just a -- could you stay with us to go get into that topic and to continue to explore this one for one more segment we gotta hit the news at the top the Allah that would run you right down to about eight Judy if you can't."

" largest -- say the bad behavior in school fortune out of color could lead to a rest are things that would normally just seen as acting out are now seen -- criminal acts at the beginning of this whole scenario."

" We'll continue to talk about that would Jamal Crawford chairman of the new black -- the body and your calls obviously in a moment on -- WRKO."

" Analysts. The song -- new Africa the -- is -- property also happens to be the chairman of the new black panther party appreciate Jamal Crawford's patience and willingness to stay with us as well as those people who called in. It dressed in front page story in the Boston Globe divisions in the black community in the African American community Boston. With three got to the mayor the police commission is proposal -- Voluntary safe homes program police would knock on the door and asked to searched at all if they have some suspicion some information. That it may be guns that. Jamal Crawford on behalf of black panther party says nothing do not in my community and many agree with -- others say -- we want to have the police we need the police's help with taking calls we're talking to mister Crawford chairman of the new blanket the body and let's go right to. Charlie calling from West Newbury. Good morning jolly."

" Opera all of this is that this is what operating -- we've known now. You haven't frank discussion that and it goes on and on however long it takes thank you the latest welcome. Kamal I have I agree with Europe velocity on media houses are definitely comin'. We use should be taken care of your own house and usually have organizations within the -- that there are problems that should. Keep a lid on these -- to get control. What I took umbrage -- what prompted my call was when you said. The Europeans. Blaming Europeans for the slave trade my ancestors are from Europe not my ancestors were involved that that's like saying. In Africa now you know as -- slave -- going on that's like saying all people from Africa all of them slaves that you cannot or. I can't stand it that bad idea that they keep promoting that. I'm married European America is mean Europeans -- blame for the slave -- certain people. I've European and English and out of this sense and African descent. -- responsible for the slave trade that is a fact it's no more no less than that and I would appreciate if that idea would die out of the Amal."

" Okay to about profit -- response."

" just -- just -- this unfortunately with this display -- that we speak you know we say a lot of things. -- 222. -- assert that obviously every single European person did not have a hand in -- what would look at. The colonial forces when you look at the forces with the first two law called -- Africa and into slavery based on race. Those people war of the European powers that beats Spain Portugal option grants. Germany. So water so all England of course are so you know we can't escape that all people know I mean -- under the English king. Many English presence suffered under the in the."

" To like it or -- two points if I can just too -- to weigh in here a little bit. I believe there was a very very strong Arab influence in terms of the conquest of Africa -- in the initiation of the slave trade no excuse no. -- trying to get a week away from the European influence in the European participation but let's not minimize the participation about it including. Blacks in Africa Arabs from the Middle East and and others -- many races all guilty to each brought to each Friday however to Charlie from Newbury called. Into word Jamal Crawford who earliest said please don't make the mistake of -- of a developing a perception of the black community that its monolithic same would be true about a monolithic indictment of the European Asian Arab -- up or any other nation."

" I don't know why we can -- weakness though that not all European people had a hand in actually -- But those people who would the most egregious. Controllers. All of the slave trade at all they are atrocities that came under that -- most egregious perpetrators of that war in fact. European people -- policy the of the our Arab slave trade are obviously that -- airports as did -- in what what we came here to America we will bot bot. The European. Slave trade so let's just keep data."

" No no no big no big dispute the Jamal but I debate back and pushed back on need to say this it was also the abolition of the state slave trade. That's that'd be an old Mary England and I was obviously picked up here as well so while they were evil negative hostile forces there were very powerful. Human forces at work to all the comet and yet -- hate disdain as did the damage has been done and you and I talked about it and I'm gonna live with that to this day we're not -- but I've done."

" Probably not feel -- that -- up or all of the."

" Not tonight but not today -- let's continue to take cause we are talking to Jamal Crawford he's the chairman of the new black we have the body. He essentially says that the Mayor Menino commissioner Davis and I'll appoint people who have been trying to put this program together you don't get it folks you don't understand. Why is resistance to this we're going to continue to resist we think this is bad. Policy -- bad idea. And eat yet we are united in the -- to go to eliminate senseless violence on the streets of Boston let's go to Scott. Calling from New Hampshire demonic -- to run he would Jamal Crawford of the new black panther --"

" Wanted -- the crop that you want part of this whole discussion of great discussion. Let people out of Malawi racism about it. What I mile wide -- what I heard this morning I think would be again. Other cool. -- Police -- gut ethnic people and yeah that. I don't in his country and I don't trust the police. That -- payable and district got was at the directive that was -- you. And they had helped you has not helped you."

" Appreciate it suppose it was say the guiding into the all suppose it was the new black at the body that the police designated. -- could be your group -- police designated hey we have information on these three homes. Would you folks go. In on behalf of all the citizens of Boston make the knock introduce yourself ask for permission. You keep going to make an arrest anyway you don't have the power arrest but if you find the -- you could remove the guy and I'm curious about -- you know you response to that. Missed a profit."

" If any parents. Thought that there it's automatic guard and they wanted to remove from the whole. I would be willing to help facilitate. That to happen to a trusted sources that are not what the police. -- group will not locally -- nationally it would be designated by the police to do when he. I believe that the police have by the department filled our communities all the way from Boston the -- Are out because it is state law all want to get responsible. Awful lot of these issues right now are not get paid. To assault crimes or to enforce the laws are do not have insurance to such I do not have the weapons and equipment to do such. So sometimes when that this this responsibility thing gets pushed big it's possible to fall will once again. The impoverished people are expected to --"

" The wall off property that the little unfair because of the lead the mayors the governors are all that there are. Not able to find a solution to this problem why is it did all of a sudden 37 year old from all of corporate is expected to five -- who."

" The other the other the other problem the other problem that the cause idea did not that you anticipate. Is that under rather restrict gun laws if you were upholding you know if you possessing hockey aren't traveling carrying that got even if you remove the from the house you yourself would be susceptible to arrest --"

" That's why asset I would assume that great you know quote facilitate not carried out -- you've got it has suggested that that the very that the that was that was what you got game we do not want him gone and our community we are against the violence. But this -- is it is not good -- and formal police department with the that this trust factor is sold sold -- based on the -- the places our -- optional and gotten a couple of total global -- our cost you got -- everything from -- steroids to all other legal Trojan that pops who put our secure a -- that the old -- and Omar and the year you've got all the random on the -- Billings the black let you."

" This crap let's go to McAuliffe we can't Alice calling from Maine out Iran -- what Jamal Crawford from the new black -- the body and meet Tom Finneran."

" Mr. and good morning -- We've heard about programs in the European people can -- Kate just did recent very preakness amount of time -- about the crimes in the like cancer -- like cancer parties in Marxist revolutionary guard but also really. Like it -- just the black. And duplicate I always liked about the open -- like it occurred at last like asking the simple question okay."

" Go ahead Allah give away the -- gonna give a question to to Jamal crop."

" Take -- for the assassination of police say they bend down to police officers and Oakland in 1968. Huey Newton carried arms into the Sacramento. The state capitol capitol building in California. Because for terrorist -- terrorist organization called for the -- put east. Terry how are you emerged that not surprise that you want to have. Keep the -- allowed at least there's circuitry guidance. Do you believe with friends it and who wrote the -- of the earth. -- you're gonna bring about a Marxist revolution. Using. -- inner city youth and should absolutely sure you're going to deny this but branch Brandon. -- black panther party. They said we're never going to have a work is revolution we're going to bring about a revolution by giving guidance to the criminal element in this -- Marxist revolution."

" Let's give mr. Crawford a chance to respond to the accusation mister Crawford. You're okay you have the microphone."

" Focus group. You know supporters ballot -- once again not applicable here the reason that we have put new Blackberry at the party is because we had the benefit our site. First of all you can not build the liberation movement or black people -- talk a lot of Europe if -- was out of luck with my. -- bill press and all our ratcheted -- are there are many lessons that we could take away connect great work awful right now revolution that. Barry out we don't need garlands and urban war. We don't get into leveled some of the Mars and revel in the -- Our marbles those weapons right now all of them. Had a laptop while playing and and Amal. Our am not a Marxist Wal-Mart Communist. Wal-Mart socialists. Are I'm an African. And -- black -- who."

" know -- when you talk about taking on you know all the economic system in in I think you mentioned specifically the cultural. I'm curious and I'm I'm curious my curiosity is as a white guy. Does your -- attacked -- critique of the culture include. What I would called the the rap culture that negative. Stereotypes. Broadcast all around about the black community and violence in the black community and the degradation of women."

" Most certainly on the matter that. Over the music that the players that they must vocal work poetry but also caught just -- being a public school that we need that right now because we saw at war. For the Mars and art. Of all Alton who win them back. -- them on the white rat whose -- what all the all we use in this riding who. Also let this is that the when they put the -- that up without a water bowl or are -- really try to stimulate. Critical or analytical thought voters who have been all of that educated -- informed decisions. All themselves."

" Let's see if we get a few more calls and you've been so good with it time and I want to make sure I've publicly thank you for being so patient and so generous with its time mr. Crawford let's go to. Fred he's Colin from the cape Fred welcome your on the with Jamal Crawford from the new black -- the body and meet Tom Finneran."

" I don't great thank you -- Armed and opponents say there are however going from door to door on the police in the east side noted that a noble effort. But at home wouldn't that people. And whether they be white or black. From door to door it'll turn into more personal issue inevitable eventually end up into a racing. I mean if they were going to do that. Maybe they can have like a racial sensitive unit. Maybe black police offices could do black neighborhoods. And whites could do white neighborhoods so that might not be such a problem but I think got a tip line. For the parents might be better if they'd say oh I think I haven't gotten much out does something like that."

" Who missed our I won't pretend to speak to mr. Crawford but I want to get to the other calls and I think the the problem is the anonymity of tip lines and and how that opens up people the mischief and malice and also it's about the bias is let's go quickly to Larry. Calling from ducks very Larry appreciate the cause you're on the with -- profit and meet Tom Finneran."

" Demonic element front like that exception with the -- the black community and they should become the minority community I think -- feeds into racism and stereotyping in the rest and it doesn't really taken -- dimensions of the problem. So I think that's one thing I have operates a minority community from. But I have all the problems in the community and I agree is that you have all weather going to be able to deal that's a lot of arms don't have fathers and and that single parents and the mothers who work into with -- jobs in the boyfriend and there isn't just parenting and supervision required. I think that's part of it I think the schools need to be to schools and do what they can do I don't agree with this I think it'd just opens up a legal that's big time. For illegal urgency is other evidence when -- in the house and I think they need to be another way but it begins with in the community. And it is a complex problem that -- social issues but I think it's more involved complicated than people."

" appreciate the call Larry and good call let me ask mr. Crawford about the family structure issue that Larry's call Larry call Larry's call touched upon. The absence of fathers in in many. Of the minority are black communities households in the stress left on that single mom who's trying to make ends meet economically and in every other way for her little children."

" Well what the disposable. Black community. It was picked it up without as far as blacks so you accord that are obviously glad -- But all are that this in the black is really all accomplices. Because you have 05 -- that eagle population what is -- that is you have all all different not continental Africa. We have -- keep -- You have some of the news or so or. So off their boxes are all they want to get it as -- white then struck. Our show -- it -- save that note that the great data to them and struck out since that article or forces in American stop when this rate is. What that parents raise it so I would just say this all of clearly there are some some cleanup issues that need to be done here. Would probably in this business. The -- so -- it does started the whole there's great there are I would like to -- more services going. -- and that we activities that a lot of people that -- within our budget cuts that. And the coal group they had what -- it is. Meanwhile or more in the -- of the law enforcement -- what -- been awarded the war. Actual level of you right here."

" Crap let's see I got one more call he's been all of my prototype for -- try to get Geoff font from Salem."

" It is sympathetic to this and many don't spent three million dollars -- shots spotter equipment. Which just basically here's when gunshots happens or that we've million dollars was spent. -- the afterschool programs Republicans on the -- the that the --"

" Well I get the mayor -- I know he'd like the afterschool programs I think he likes both let's go to Jeff from Salem New Hampshire Jeff. Your idea what Jamal Crawford from the new black paint the body and meet Tom Finneran."

" I masters I government and I I agree totally into apartment home or an apartment that I direct or no wonder the conflict on invited. At no point in my village but that but I don't care what color you are white Hispanic. Read anything if you're getting into government and from my -- about to get the government doesn't have any money. It's my attitude and -- much. -- government and anyway this idea of regular inspection of every home that aren't saying what because I don't want it done but you might enable it. And the government assistance to sort out my house. I know they've done that building and I'm in now you don't like it get hot doughnuts in your apartment and -- eight year old mortgage but until then it. It might not. You can't have done during her that."

" Jeff I mean I appreciate your anger out around at you know subsidizing what you might feel as dis functional behavior but because some. He's on public assistance you -- create up a little mini police stated that person's home -- apartment."

" I'm proud what are what what about I -- People want to -- well certainly not what it's just that they can't buy certain boat big gigabytes you can't -- buy cigarettes and that money can buy liquid that money -- that government oppression what you can do with your money can't -- you know."

" Yeah I mean but that's it that it is a huge difference between saying look we know that alcohol and cigarettes are bad for your we're gonna provide food assistance it's gonna be in nutritional areas as opposed to. Gee we'd as the federal guarantee on your mortgage off where -- providing a welfare payments he had to work for that apartment and we're gonna come in unannounced every you know you know every. Whenever we feel like an unannounced just because Gerald on the receiving end to government assistance and I don't think I need mister Crawford from the new black Tampa -- say. While that's a huge expansion of a police presence that I think goes beyond anything that anybody's ever talked about let me give -- for the last word to what -- idea yet."

" You might it will go to another caller would that's squeezed out called."

" Pop pop pop pop appreciate you know what don't we're right up hot against the break and -- going to say thank you to all the polished it particularly to Jamal Crawford chairman of the new black at the body. It was willing to come on yet shares ideas Telesis concerns and always welcome back Iraq -- for a -- mr. Crawford from the new black paint the body."