The Death of Benazir Bhutto

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" All right good work -- like that that was good. Try to make a living like everybody else and happy to be here this afternoon good data be in the nice palatial WRKO studios with the weather out here and unfortunately yet turmoil continues to swirl and as always sends around the Middle East. The we're here sit in the Tom Finneran the other day on the news broke. Of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and of course says switching from all the press accounts someone who had ties to our region a an iconic figure in the history of Pakistan her family is I guess one analogy I -- and like the Kennedys of of Pakistan. Interesting to access for and we connection that allowed her to have the prominence that she had in any country where normally any female politician is not someone who. -- would be regarded highly because of the fundamentalist factions that exist in Pakistan. And I certainly am no expert on Pakistan any fears or Middle East I have opinions. Not happy with the approach our government has taken in the Middle East not only recently. But through the decades. I think our metal some -- policy in that part of the world has led to more problems than solutions. I certainly support the president and his efforts to who after the Taliban and Afghanistan I think by widening. Our presence in the Middle East with the invasion of Iraq was a problem. And those are issues I think we should consider as we. Ponder what role if any we have. As the people of Pakistan. Approach their elections in attempt to sort out what has happened. At this time with the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. And given the fact that I am not an expert in that region of the world. Hoping to bring in today to help me sorted out. Boston University a professor a -- who is an expert on that part of the world. Specifically Pakistan and I will be. Hopefully sorting out a lot of issues relating to that if you want to join us completely if you want to join us in this discussion. We are at 6172666868. And as our guest approaches the palatial WRKO studios we do have like Jeff who while wants to win -- Have Jeff jumping analyst Jeff from Chelsea how're you doing today."

" It does was pretty good -- as effective -- concerned. I mean there there is currently an instability with Pakistan step radicals over these. So nuclear warheads. -- remember back in the making this is split. -- these -- that the facility tries to put missiles in Cuba that we of the Cuban missile crisis now like if you that they have been perfected it if it becomes radicalized. With China and Russia. Pumping money and nuclear -- in that area here that we have a we as America that -- of art and and have -- the belt -- that range capability could -- the United States. Speak because it because you say. That's what created geopolitical situation whether it's as simple world whipped -- is increased but. Beckett didn't play and that's where we had."

" In that equation you haven't mentioned the emergence of India. Oh oh who has been a traditional rival of of Pakistan are."

" I'm sorry about says but you're right India is is a rival -- this. But but again again with with questions kinda helping out packet there's just -- let the you. You can you can their regional conflict in that area."

" Well we're gonna trying to get some answers to those questions if posed and you know that most out of without want to do what before -- do want to welcome. My guest today. Who is a professor and a deal and a -- my pronunciation slipped thank you I had the opportunity of being an underling to a gentleman of Pakistani descent about ten years ago so idea I got a little bit in my pronunciation down hopefully a good memories that well they. We had our ups and downs. That's our life -- yes we had our ups and downs and and that will actually. I use some of my reference my experience of that and in in some of the questions that I have Phieu a professor. But for professor and a job is over Boston University is the director of the party center for the study of the longer term future we could do a show just on what that means alone I think we should do we should do -- sure -- really think about it on the computer that's what it's all about and his -- year old over there is professor department of international relations we believe we can get a sense of what that entails. Yes and professor art department of geography and environment. And he will be joining me in taking your calls at 6172666868 in helping me to sort out what is happening over and -- last caller made some great points and I know you only heard part of that. But I want to lead off of one thing that he brought up that I hadn't thought of and I've got to host of questions you'll also. Professor but. We know that the Soviet Union and of course time magazine naming Putin as its man of the year and one of the reasons they talked about was. The fact that Russia is reasserting itself as a world power. And obviously the at a significant emergence of China both economically and militarily now in the world. They know whether any overtures between those nations traditionally has not been Chinese Pakistan relationship that I can well I guess with the war between India and China maybe Pakistan plural. And it seems as though Pakistan has done a little dance at times with the US at times with the Soviet Union and played one superpower. Off against the other -- they got to play any role as we sort out what is happening over there now in -- meet future."

" Trip -- knocked you know -- on his messy enough that torn region is messy enough complex enough anyhow we don't you can imagine that the -- anymore -- But but on the super publicly uni according to imagine a more complex neighborhood so just replace -- on on the map and -- big big big big fan of maps and geography his spikes on sandwiched between these two giant giants agreed -- if you really India and China both of them on on -- on site and the other side is the finest on. And then it and right next also to the Middle East social if you couldn't have have have hoped for or wanted bush geography than that in terms of super -- emissions Buxton and so retreat then the Soviet Union out mission has never really had major from the nation's it was more India that was in the quarter walk siding with the Soviets and playing sort of the US and Soviets. But so we'll all of this very much in the US camp and and and many toxins actually think that might have been drawn. But in India and Leo parks and -- it was an agreement -- and to tendency to of these regional. The facility in East Asian treaty organization and this is true. And bid did the US as -- of the court what Buxton was again in the forefront of the court for India -- and and trillions I think in many of the problems he knows he stopped. The Soviets invaded to understand Pakistan was the key and I and decked out in -- is a wonderful movie -- it Johnny -- water and yet seen it but finally I am looking forward to seeing big guy outside the -- it is really good but the finding the most important thing is what you mentioned which is -- Pakistan actually considers that China is probably its only friend and only known them for it -- a case of my enemy's enemy is my friend -- because of the rivalry between India and China Bok -- but I think it has -- and and it goes back to -- and I and it goes back to be bringing in of China into the United Nations in which the pucks and create a -- usual. Event if you could call you know of in Kissinger and then Nixon finally vain to China. -- was brokered largely by Nixon and Kissinger was making these secret missions to China. He would actually go complex and then disappeared from the agreement to China's Buxton in China have longstanding relationships the good news -- China is right now shall focused I think frankly on its economic. Slight that it is not as yet playing the grand chessboard off -- on the address right that it used to it might soon gained."

" But -- I do want to get a little history in a minute and and certainly the history that led Benazir Bhutto to her prominence her family's history help us put it that perspective before we do want to jump over Paul from Medford who's checking -- Paul how are you today."

" Yeah good professor what Bob do we expect to feel content -- prevailing opinion unionized states yeah -- the educated people come here. And most of released of people those countries into being well educated and you come here have a -- crazy up. Not political monster crazy people you know -- is that quiet riot broke with 2000 years. It's big fighting Soviet killing each other -- America. -- story Bible medical and everything. The perception of people I don't talk -- you are people being -- people in the professionals who come here to make a living. -- people -- a bunch of college."

" All you certainly made -- Iraq opinions quite clear there yet that thank you for the compliment it but. The book listening bikes and is not in the Middle East again and Saudi because I'm the president photography -- thought -- topics and sanitation Middle East is is is -- you do understand his point I don't I -- and I that we look at -- region if you -- I -- read -- I these I I -- is a history of of violence and instability from there that it seems as though it's analysts -- I I I I hope like American people and I -- and and we can -- talk more about -- maybe suggesting that it -- was taken -- if I could take in my office spicy South -- night. Yeah and ultimately leads to is can put whatever is his his."

" His liking with the point and trying to make is no I don't think -- backers and I don't think you're going to solve the problems of the ruined by but I did leave -- ought simply understanding people's lives back as the practices of each of the and it has given us some of the greatest egregious human beings upon history give us Moses had given us Jesus have you as Mohammad it's given us back coastal. But this is a complex large region. But blocks of good people to yes -- a history of rights and I think that violence because it denies and to gain in geography really nice has been exacerbated in the lost many many years. Buy blocks of domestic pressures as ministry took international pressure's been known to -- and living particularly in the US I think it is all the more important to understand the cause of that violence but more important to understand the solution to that violence because. The violence that. Might have been the it and stated that it it spins out and spills out into our country's an -- name the courts and that's what we don't want to."

" Professor and as you might virus respond to Paul somewhat and just tell tell him. We've got crazy people here in the United States who think. It somehow we have the ability. Throughout foreign policy efforts to somehow impact what happens amongst the crazy people in the Middle East if you look at a foreign policy. That is insane I think I want to get into the US's role. With the with the with that whole region of the world. In get your perspective on that minute and about a number again it's a 6172666868 and we are talking with. A -- he is the for it didn't mention this in Ira introduction early the Frederick -- party chair of global public policy. You've got more titles than anyone I've ever met in my life here. But I want to ask a question. You know given. The history and most will will zero in Pakistan because that's what we're talking about today obviously in the context -- Benazir Bhutto's assassination in the upcoming elections in Pakistan. You know what do you think the US can accomplish anything through its. What I like to say -- the metal some foreign policy is there a role for the United States to play right now as we sit here and would that generally be effective awful would it be damaging long term for the US to trying to somehow. Intervene in what's happening internally in Pakistan whether it be. Prop up musharraf's because we think we need his stability or is it you know push him in one direction or another whether to delay -- whether to. Continuing on with the elections were heard some presidential candidates say that they should be moved back to give people at a time to regroup and heard some. Some politicians in the United States say that he now has to clamp down further in and reintroduce a full blown martial law situation -- Shouldn't we just sit back and let the Pakistan people sort what the so I I I."

" I do agree that I think the best strategic right now for the uses to get out of the get out of the pocket because this is not a -- the -- even managed partly because I think what we have never really done in what we should do -- half feet in the people of Pakistani. Instead of having feet and one general one politician but most of what we should really have faith in democracy but mostly I think we should get get get get extra step step back at this point because this is -- this is my D. And order more -- is going to be strong and -- common stick accounts. But we like it could not because we are who we -- And -- for makers of pocket for the wrong reasons communion look at the beings -- assassination some people who are all of the courts have even in toxins and and everyone seems to be angry if -- many of them are angry at the US -- hideous to why would they be ended the US because these militants can did argument I think vote vote but that's significant -- number of people have that argument is that she is a sort of forced back by the US with Clark you know maybe she was going in this."

" Most wish this would help in the election cycle having her back that was a US this obsession in we have that we think we can force democracy on every country in the world our style exactly and don't get me wrong I do looked."

" That disconnect I do not conduct is tight but the idea is that she did become even bigger target for the militants. Because she was seen as being anointed by the US so killing her becomes one we could send a message. What do we should've but much more to the minister so my point here it is this is complex -- I don't want it to be your control my point it. Is the US cannot -- Pakistan because of it it is because of everything -- the same time. We should not be in the business of managing countries particularly countries like Pakistan and in India should have more faith in the people of bucks and and democracy in bucks on drugs within putting on -- on thinking we can choose who the fight pollution is because if you write Goosen has turned out to -- don't."

" Now that that seems to be that the trend in US foreign policy he I would suggest that. There are people over in Pakistan that believe sharp had a hand in this in some -- correct I think there's some varying degrees is -- some people who do it -- wrong but it didn't go to graduate -- one. The ones I think who are -- of those who think -- might have engineered this I don't think he is going to anything to gain from a I think the united those the other group which have a valid point -- done more he could have done right to protect her -- So given that fact that mean. With where does that leave us with with the with. Qualify for me the perception of sharp he seems as always between a rock and a hard place on one hand he's dealing with fundamentalist extremist element. Now he's got an element of the Bhutto supporters who feel that he's culpable in what happened. What can we where exactly is seen in this mix well he's museum is he usually in the United States system of government when -- in the middle you're considered a moderate. Is he a moderate who --"

" He might make you might once have been you might once have been but I think the okay tradition is ninety is between a rock and a hard -- and and the floor just fell through so he's gotten over -- you I think the only person who now supports -- in -- as George Bush I don't know of anyone in Buxton who does and and but but this Lloyds -- between the two of them seems seems rather amusing bit but he is immensely immensely unpopular. And what that means is that even when he does the type thing. Do most people who should have been -- him cannot be with him because he's so unpopular because of the wrong things so one of the or things is -- is accused of being disease tragic tragic. Debts it is obvious to most that this is a handy vocal religious extremists. Foxman is extremely extremely angry at what has happened but instead of folks in the anger of the extremist this focusing it on him. I had he not been back and fall premiere of this would've been a moment when the national grief and the national theater in the national anger. Would be dedicated to extremists so what -- on -- a portion of its unpopularity. Is E connecting us because it -- us meeting here of being the US US becomes even more unpopular for supporting an unpopular. -- it hurts the border and dinner and this issue about extremism because it distracts attention of the infamy for most pakistanis."

" One thing you said that he's the only guy -- or George Bush is the only person in the world that like -- are afraid seemed so we're not concerned now. We certainly are spreading some significant economic and military largesse upon him I don't know if you saw our professor the news report this past week about the program where we basically reimburse the Pakistan government military firm money spent over in the eastern provinces to supposedly fight the Taliban. And we find now that that's five billion in money that's gone over there in addition to the existing military aid. Is pretty much unaccounted for and it is unbelievable. What is the feeling in Pakistan. When they see the United States providing that kind of economic military assistance I guess in this case strictly military but. What's -- what's the view internally on that but it didn't and is going to sound contradictory but it -- by the way I I believe it was a huge missed story here in the United States when we're talking what that kind of money. Going over that region of the world in in really being lax in being accounted for."

" Attitude to toot toot -- and and -- contradictory and I'm going to become instantly and welcome to him but the Soviet. First but I think I think the -- targeted them when you on the little packages about ten billion most of it goes to military most of it goes to visiting convention amended treaty. Stein -- buildup in the -- other than fighting DDD candidates which is what is needed. So you're executive -- that we should've followed that many in the should be funding that many more closely enough. The second spot however that I do want to see it in sound is my charge against most -- of for the pakistanis is not that he hasn't done enough. On the water and -- I think actually he has done everything he caught because -- only -- they're threatening him to his life in danger might charge against. Here saying he has been effective on the war and no he hasn't been effect -- barbecue -- we are trying yes he's trying as hard as he scored but it into court enough is what dancing and his wife I might charge against him his. And I think against US George Bush responds in this to -- Night that the US -- should've had sold the idea to pakistanis that this is a Pakistani evil. Right because he says it hasn't admitted convoy resolution he walked he comes to the US and says hey guys they were frightened that you cumulative monies -- give me a lot of money. -- bucks and says hey guys we have to do this because it being a sort of money. This is eve of war with national people because it induction country it can -- it cannot be won on compete conceived as the war. And that's a great point act has -- appointed acting Washington fear -- we Islamabad for."

" So and in a sense our failure leads them -- failure or his lead to us or vice versa exactly we want to take a quick break here we there. Joined in studio by professor a deal John expert on all things Pakistani you like to join the discussion we are at 617. 2666868 stay with us."

" She was a courageous woman who deeply believe that's people of Pakistan wanted to live in freedom she -- her chest. Offices -- salacious moment. In my conversations with her -- it. And a dedication came through. We know very clearly should -- the nation twice as Prime Minister and she knew that her return to Pakistan earlier this year put her life at risk yes she refused to allow assassins to dictate the course of her country."

" We -- back. Senator -- in senator Bob -- in for Mary -- burns and we are joined in studio by the professor ideal measure. He is the Frederick. Party cheer for global public policy over -- director of the department of international relations among other things. And I brought him in here to help me and help our listeners sort out all things. Pakistan what does this mean for. The United States we know that a lot of pundits here in the United States are speculating as to what this means. In the United States presidential election I asked the professor when we were in the break if he had followed some of the comments by a presidential candidates and his opinions were. And it seems as though we can't get through a show without Ron Paul reference. Which makes me happy 'cause I like Ron Paul and you said that what you've heard Ron Paul say in Joe Biden say have intrigued you want to elaborate on that those those of the obvious to ones who have -- Nam view on what should be done really like it the and Andy on Q when you have a favorite I mean you mentioned one Republican one Democrat. And I I don't like all the speculation was -- saying all it's going to help hawks it's gonna you know I don't think it it it it it should be the criteria. They're really impacts -- decision making. One way or the other -- that run he's right that you give foreign policy expertise -- all the blown and you look at these candidates and by the way. We get people in congress running for president or or US senators running for president. Quite frankly the way our American foreign policy has gone in recent times. I don't know if I want that experience element also took back does not staying you couldn't imprisoned 2000 an -- and on bikes and and one of the candidates lost who was on -- bugs and senate some general -- that candidate happened to be George -- he couldn't he couldn't identify musharraf's another best of friends it's this box and can -- New Hampshire and office. Ultimately it is whoever comes to office -- have to be that box. Let's let's take a call from. Milken in new -- let -- Milton how you doin' today."

" I'm fine. Yeah -- we got you loud and clear Milton thanks for joining us."

" That is of this conundrum we've been facing I don't know personally and probably a lot of Americans don't know. The spectrum of Moslems we haven't. -- scholars find people at one end and we have like I guess in my head I -- guess. And we have behead those we have. Bombers -- so little kids out with dynamite at the other end. So that well we don't know who's who now when you have democracy that we say its export democracy. So they voted in the least Hezbollah and Hamas which everybody declares his terrorist. But that voted in by the people. And I wonder whether the process -- where we have a situation where the nuclear power Pakistan is there -- he's saying about this equation which is now tilted toward the big dangers if a model -- religious state is declared like Iran and and they have that --"

" Right -- that the fear I guess that drives a lot of the discussion in the US. Pakistan's got a huge nuclear arsenal what happens if that falls into the hands of Islamic fundamentalist but the question I would ask is. Is that scenario even possible."

" Democratic and certain ultra demo well either or either way either through he -- through some kind of a cool you know or or even through the vote -- the -- playwright Kenneth have."

" And as a scenario possible mixed use the exact flight wouldn't it would be awful news but he used it to the light treatment -- don't think -- to which was conundrum this is a conundrum but it assaults and not make more of the conundrum and it is and and and and Bob I think your who's your writer to the question is the exact right ones. I do not think it is it is likely I think he should -- about if he nuclear country -- devoted including Pakistan but I think some things in -- too much in his of these varieties. Because of the get sort of success with the new -- issue people -- and we -- can come to us and say hey. These guys sorting just my goodness what dangers that unless you support me. In some wacky guys going to get. And act has been -- motionless on demand to George Bush which as skip this dictator in place. That I -- the only decent Pakistani you know but I have printed nor did that's not true did did the country as as you said -- he's -- been a friend of mine mine likes to say no Gordon isn't equal opportunity to you to -- equally spread across color with but the point here is I do not think that somebody is likely nuclear weapons and bucks and might actually have. Hey looked slightly stabilize the pinch hit the interest and that and -- is -- sixty years between India Pakistan. But for the two to two in -- can't constant warfare. Constant fought for -- one point -- was questioned fought for it on the borders both countries had huge meets. Since both of them have nuclear weapons the it is the scoreboard dependence remember what happened to us in the US and Soviet nukes -- nothing is happening between Indian toxin and that is -- now he has a kind of a stalemate and so. It does it surprise you any undisclosed Bob that in fact we haven't heard about India -- and tension in the long time right. I don't remember that used to be the -- actually. We haven't -- partly because -- I'm -- Clinton -- I'm probably -- really doesn't -- report -- as the pakistanis take pride in -- in their -- and I -- significant -- because -- for some -- Pakistan -- other -- argue with the big -- become -- because --"

" up. The amount you know it out here you know your big boy in the US -- have a big SUV right fact so I don't buy that but the point."

" Making his the it is a danger in over opening the nuclear card because it it supports Dole's opponent deviant who would say to you support -- to a school for democracy."

" I -- it might think you know I mean I I I may interject professor I believe it was back in that 2004. Where you had a Pakistani scientist who and I think he was considered like the father of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. Was he part of that spy network that transferred nuclear technology. To Libya Iran North Korea. But of deputies -- yes yes yes. And whatever happened to him he is in detention inbox on beef haven't forgotten the fortunately that is exactly -- we need to keep a close eye on -- right justly been to Cuba to close and -- was he -- that out of -- ideology or was he getting paid like -- taste drives the movie haven't."

" Fully competent for the story it -- the understanding gender he is this rules for post and team as as much as four ideology it was huge amounts of monies involved in this and what is being treated to a these plans of how to make centrifuges and things things they got over my my my point that the -- eat keep a close eye. On the nuclear issue. Beat do -- connect deeply Hughes that. 222 draw on dual core value. The US or school value ought to be democracy department -- it would be export democracy democracy is not computers you do not export. Democracy is something -- which. The marks of what we've try to do is more or or injected at the end of apparel and gun like we try to do our our nation building. Democracy building obsession tip of the division -- of the villa -- exported democracy the wrong maybe you've said here's the guys will give you democracy here's the -- who -- give you democracy that's you do democracy. Democracy is to see. -- Makinen who is elected if the processes right if the institutions -- you give them a chance here's the -- find nothing -- The north from insulin to learn that any XP go to the extreme view people the religious views even. Indeed it actually gave democratic of democratic democracies -- right for example in India for years ago the it means religious by team and be provided. Got -- and many people including a pox on part this is kind of fictional religious groups and it went to -- up but what happened was actually the opposite. The had to -- no doubt because it wasn't and cancel one we need be off -- down these extreme groups. Is to involve them in politics if you don't give them politics David become more and more extreme is -- in the political mainstream they might be -- no --"

" Excellent point they go back look at may 19985. Nuclear devices detonated by Pakistan member -- we were on heightened state at that point we were worried what India's reaction would be. But good point about the stalemate that occurs we're gonna go to Alan from a -- one or as my buddy Wally from a -- used to say mature when."

" Questions -- they actually do number ones and let you no it says here say it -- institute democracy and is it really does that have to manifest itself Libya popular if you -- has to be something society Israeli and I'd ideally why is does he say. That mainstream media fails to act as mentioned was supporting musharraf who overthrew tomorrow democratically elected government and it you know secondly why it is so what is -- is why the mainstream media. Continues to sideline anybody with start to -- opinion about how to solve the problem. General in other words anybody who suggests. -- approach you know. Because you know forces or I should -- of using democracy instead of the terrible look what is the media. Attempt to sideline those people."

" Ellen great question and and and taken a step further back if I may and Shara yes. He knock someone off democratically elected you can go back to nineteen I bit back in nineteen mediator in the late eighties when Zia. Knocked off -- dad. And through a cool correct. And we didn't seem to be yet to concern in those days because -- was serving the purposes of the United States government helping us. Funnel arms. And resistance to the -- any freedom fighters who were resisting the Soviet occupiers so American farm policies been schizophrenic hypocritical. And the caller makes a great point why -- we. I want a tie this together I'm going to let you answer that question and also you invoked the name not meet you invoke the name of doctor Ron Paul earlier today. In the caller tries to well wrapped that up in his question as to why the media sidesteps that. And you know -- someone told that you understand this dynamic help me sort that out. -- on on on you know I don't even know my question was now that's an aggression it's like you'd -- if you look at you it's foreign policy on on Pakistan and B have you tradition of that dates. I'm one of -- it's just constantly choose the wrong guy you know some tournament this isn't going to say you say oh girls president or relate -- with the united state -- and I don't president Zia. And because my did you -- beauty gives because he said he -- and look for. By keeping ocean because we Zeta -- because he served a purpose and and no doubt in Madrid and -- would also have but wasn't he very effective in helping the United States -- sense he he certainly was but but -- arguments. Right now -- was via a crooked guy was he okay I think I think -- was group."

" And I can musharraf isn't crooked Britain not having democracies Crockett. What was wrong the -- of -- power hungry or should -- consider the set themselves patriots and and fought. In their model we're doing the vessel country I think I think -- deemed it mines in the super patriots that's on his body about super patriots people who tainted the other outstanding patriots on his dangerous -- right and bolts the and musharraf I think honestly honestly honestly believe that the the best thing to have happened. Norton to Pakistan but that would I think -- actually believes that without him the water -- country for now as we all remember Zia was killed. In 88 in eighty okay in 88. In them traveling with the number of his top generals was and he was asked an assassination. At most pakistanis believe the clauses that contingent of -- ice -- accidentally goes natural sort of it was a that was of -- of mangoes -- the plane that had been gift agreement on a crate of mango -- that's for the bomb was being placed. And so it was a long it was a bomb acknowledged that much has been confirmed that has been confirmed the US ambassador and bugs and -- was with him -- it becomes so so -- kills goto. Somebody kills Zia yeah. I'm Zend but I adore the doctor enable -- replaced. Through an engineer and an election Vinci is replaced two years addictive by because the president then president to moves. Then this guy called -- Sharif who used to be hitting the -- in the coming weeks he's elected as president. As Prime Minister he's moved into he has been the president. And in that connection is had she comes back the his interest in Pakistan isn't long his movement a -- to. Between -- afflictions right we we disks -- them up in every two years and I did you have democracy but I want to -- did not -- and we got to get back to the -- and discretion is pretty good the aboard the media very very briefly I think what it's I don't think chickens British -- the media doesn't want to do it. But the mainstream media pinks in two minute and could be second -- unlike unlike the senator. And box and cannot be explained in two minutes I've tried and it's not easy. And the afford the gravity to be easy simple solution -- these simple explanation and in on those. On democracy what you said I just want to -- this idea and I have a blog that I keep seeing this and and I and you do have to plug your blogs are today before you leave it scored all pinks Pakistan and if you just who all thinks Pakistan have come up did -- you north of companies and beans you right now over to his I think his point want to nick. I am more convinced than -- in the lawsuit that Pakistan is a democratic society trapped inside different under impact extinct. If you look at what's happened in parks and in the last year it is. -- out of the streets wanting democracy -- being beaten -- and -- in June and that -- the keep coming. He would be -- asking people to register in -- walked. Indeed -- and dean is another country that people that out of the street seeing -- on democracy. This tragedy of this is who has the as as as Americans as the US government as the US beaten supporting in -- and fight for democracy happening in one of the largest Muslim countries in the -- I'm supporting those who are calling for democracy. Or ought to be supporting and motion out of debt is that it actually say just to put in perspective says one of the largest Islamic countries in the world. It's not entirely Islamic -- correct what is that what is the percentage breakdown of other of other religions were presented in about 92% it is 2% to mostly. The largest single largest Muslim country indecision again going to the other of the thing you know we think of -- to think of the Middle East. His interest and think the majority of Muslims in the would do not live in the Middle East right. The largest most Indonesians in -- is the largest right. The second is I -- India Pakistan which have about the same number of Muslims the touches on British. So the large bulk of Muslims are known out of some non merger least an -- the other opinion of the have to break through -- studio types awful fool who us as he should recognize -- right."

" 6172666868 our number here at. And succeed WRKO we're joined by Brian from land you're on we had professor -- dealer John and senator Bob --"

" When -- deal I don't oil lumbering upon misnomer in this kind of misleading and inaccurate. Is to consul referral to democracy. We're -- democracy in this country democracy is mob rule we are democratic republic in this country. We're trying that we we allegedly when it export our democracy which should be exporting our democratic republic ideas. As a matter of fact we try to implement democracy in the country was safe bet that is ideal guys what -- that we big break loose they break open. And they become a democracy over -- India and much of democracy means mob rule majority rule. And everybody votes that they want to go back to a dictatorship. So should that be allowed to have -- what do we really want to institute a democratic republic idea."

" Hey Brian let me stop -- for a -- your question do you think we still have a democratic republic in the United States of America -- you think we've drifted from those. Principles that found -- set."

" What we -- to drifted right I grew obviously drifted agree that we are becoming. They a fascist regime."

" I don't know if we're drifted that far yet."

" But what about it I I am going to -- and this just segued back to solve by the I think it's that you really want we Douglas -- and I find this fascinating we've got a professor at the units abroad -- I I I'm I'm not know who died but the -- commitment -- have been --"

" Fishing with his his thing and and I think grinds the very interesting and and park provoking aggression some effort I won't. -- but this idea of do what is democracies have very good question. I think it's a question that every country in the world should be asking those of us here in America should be asking -- democracy to -- is a very simple idea makes me much more complex and o'clock to -- democracy is the proposition. But if you decision -- to be mean that is going to affect me. Then I should have a seat in how that decision is made and who -- it's no more complex and people all across the Willard every region -- religion as the country who want to have a seat in what happens to them. The problem that many be many many parts of the word is the UCC decisions being meet Indian names that -- have -- and that's the problem right of water and didn't too."

" And we understand that distinction clearly I think I think -- investment advice was. Who's really looking at that they're very narrow way and I know it but he's he's -- to the -- the democratic republic is the same. Right we got to go to a break we come back straight -- your -- start off with -- a lot of -- stay with a finance six -- WRKO."

" That is no doubt that the fight but -- that is no doubt that it was. A suicide bomb but there is invective as who you know how she indictment is more important -- who want the people who is."

" We are back senator Bob -- and we view on this Saturday afternoon here joined by professor a deal measure a lengthy. In varied resonate -- over Boston University professor department of international relations eight Pakistan any citizen who is. In our country you here on just for work or you have -- relocated here permanently -- opponent is permit risen the United States but still hold Pakistan citizenship yes. And that we have been patiently joined by John from Watertown has been waiting -- we appreciate the call thanks for joining us."

" Missed an analogy yes yes I believe what they want to be in a socialist the world. Who's now is they John whose day the rest so loved the world wants but you know the west wants us to -- socialism yeah. And that would be disasters wrought with richest country in the work well. We developed through capitalism capitalism is the only way we can survive because we use our resources okay. Now if you become a socialist country who have this year well with the rest of the world. -- John let me ask John let me ask your --"

" And you believe that this the Muslim fundamental fundamentalist element that's out there in the world today or the Taliban. A part of that attempt to bring socialism to the united states of course now I have to ask the professor do you agree with that in what kind of really what kind of economy do they -- Pakistan -- the capitalist to socialist economy they're jealous of didn't tell --"

" There might be jealous and I think many people might be jealous that might be true but I don't think that the religious extremists want a -- thinking economics -- dipping in on the TV at Morgan -- ideology I think but I travel and knocked it on to -- and the two biggest capitalist economies emceed the most capitalistic on meet any it and the winner could. Is China."

" A dollar growing -- don't amount to predict how everything can be salute the -- but I actually haven't I have a capitalist economy being governed by Colin -- government."

" Exactly and actually it's -- this idea of the democratic republic the idea that it Villa Park just a capitalist economy. The other democracy I think you do a disservice to your country's -- because I think this country's creative and just being trapped in this country I think this country is compassionate."

" We supported him with fooled we've supported him you're an escrow we supported them all over the world and yet they're trying to get what we. And that's dangerous."

" of I think and I I think that's I I think -- The be neat to to kinkle what makes us ask him being the units Greek what is it that the that the rest of the world admires the most about it. Via yes we ought to capitalist economy but yes we had a compassionate people yes -- people who given the tsunami happens in -- Venezia our hearts are moved. Dot is the type of people that you want to be and force should want to demean."

" Great call by John and we're gonna be staying witness in the second hour because I want to getting into the professors take on what is happening. From a perspective of of the United States. Candidates I know this some things that some presidential candidates have said that you've taken exception to there are some that have you find yourself an agreement with the and it looks like we're on the same page there so -- do want to pursue that because I'm gonna find. The you -- going to be in agreement would mean anytime I find someone that agrees with any for a change on the show we like -- spotlight and highlight that. So please stay with a 6172666868 your calls on this topic when we return stay with the same succeeding WR -- We are backed senator Bob -- in from aerial and burns today in the Saturday afternoon here at WRKO enjoined in studio by professor a -- over. Who practices -- his trade over it to -- you before that he was over the Fletcher school just learned over at the top. Great to have you here today and help you mean sort this whole Middle East. I should say South Asia situation a -- and I'm just looking up at John McCain up on the TV screen here who is trying to. Par Leahy this tragedy in Pakistan into his political advantage and I take great exception to what some of the Republican. In Democrat presidential candidates are saying notably Ron -- and Hillary Clinton trying to. Conveyed the sense that their expertise their fallen foreign policy expertise somehow makes them now a better candidate. And you know what was Hillary's foreign policy to -- expertise I -- goodness gracious what. Being in the life -- US president flying around to a couple of state dinners has something to me a break and McCain. I find his comments a little little beyond the pale he said. My theme has been throughout this campaign that I am the one with the experience the knowledge. The judgment. So perhaps -- the assassination may serve to enhance those credentials to make people understand that I've been to Pakistan I know -- of I can pick up the phone and call him I knew Benazir Bhutto and I find that Hillary is also playing up the fact that she had known the -- And broke bread -- I guess Benazir Bhutto on how extensive their connections work but to somehow conveyed a sense that there. Personal history. Where is the assassinated Benazir Bhutto. Gives them a certain level of expertise I failed to see the connection I think that the proof is in the putting as to how. One's -- record -- and I think that someone like Joe Biden who. To mean he isn't unseating some clear rational thought. A -- our role in South Asia and the Middle East and you mentioned I was surprised to here Ron -- you tell me he's popular among your students also. Over at Debbie you that's good here. But it seems we don't see any quotes in the mainstream media from either of those candidates right now because I guess they're not amongst the front runners. But we want to hear from you on the 61726668. 68 as as an expert on Pakistan your reaction to these types of and how it even characterize them but I there's a sense of there's an element of P."

" During here in my opinion I think it is I mean I've I I dining had been disease marked pertains and a menu should president actually -- exactly and I -- couldn't remain emotion overtake my caller two would that doesn't qualify me to become present -- I I think what's happening here at bulletin of the candidates and the media is -- to close to. It's too that he anyhow but it took most of that and I think the mean candidates -- trying to do one of two things I -- to. To twist the story to be about them and would be easy put -- I think that's what's happening at McCain and Kennedy. Or trying to make sure that they don't see anything that would give him into trouble John Edwards and Bob I think the two candidates neither of whom is of frontrunner -- Who have constantly been talking about -- and some work sensibly that is. And it is not to be in this -- endorsement he wouldn't be talking about box and he's raised. The pretenders to really Joe Biden and and -- Barack Obama also did but I think in many things wrong -- again trying to prove that he he he would be tough harmful exposition is on the interest in his position -- acting in his pocket for it which one should exceed his commitment to confuse you not in foreign policy is. That this adventure it is them off -- board of democracy that you it and he can talk about that because he's from Texas. But this adventurism -- nation building was in just going if -- sort of -- else's problems is is is not a -- thing to do. And I repeat his caution of jumping into every situation and trying to fix it in in some regional this -- some of your corners of toss discussion more controlled truly do and in the media keeps asking discretion all of these candidates what should he do it in the end it is what Pakistan does right and this foolish to scuttle -- something border to send forces to impose martian on all sorts of -- ideas like that maybe detriment computes I think this scored message from on Paula. About about being with eighty cue from about nation building being very careful about who you meet French with. If if if you do not think you want to me cringe with someone. In the first place than a dozen active that the assuming your interest right now knocked."

" Yes and I think when we did the motion as we talked earlier we have history in Pakistan. -- maybe you know marriages of convenience I think you you gave the analogy that we the the wrong date so to speak to bring to the -- which isn't even about it tonight exactly these these -- one night stands that don't mean to into -- minutes right and we look at short term like you said. Our involvement and I think and I hated to send a fair and puts on the black. But our involvement in Iraq for instance in the -- hold totality of history. Will be such a small blip that we we've focused a little bit too much on. That part of the world may be at the expense of other parts of the world. But look at our history even in our enemy with the wrong date we were involved in the fifties and meddling which led to the shot in the shah's I -- governance led to a backlash which led to Islamic fundamentalist Khomeini taking over and in weakened may -- take a little blame for that because people chafe under the shah who was a US creation. I I think I think a lot of."

" On history of fortunes in France's Namibian government but but again I I would -- that the US should go back to school principals. V didn't placate him the US and other countries Britain and the skis straight to manage us other countries don't make it can be tried to match him. And what we should be exporting is the ideal of democracy is is the idea of feed him an index the heat what called project ought to -- 617 to us."

" 66868 senator Bob Edwin joined in studio by professor a -- John expert on all things Pakistan helped me sort out. This turmoil this mess over Pakistan and we joined by Russ from Waltham how we're today --"

" Very good thank you thanks to join us -- the United States as an instrumental -- stepping forward. And most of the twentieth century -- stamp out evil. And where able is not stamped out and as a lot the faster it only becomes a bigger problem in the spirit -- later he."

" connection the question I had do you think sometimes that are meddling has created evil. You know and I'll give you some examples I give you some examples Manuel Noriega who became the bohemian of the month the US creation US client. You know the shah of Iran and US creation."

" You know he remember. It in the history of at all today and it's LA maybe tomorrow and the me."

" Closer to our shores but he he hate the Baby Doc AUS client. You know the people revolted against Duvalier mean you can you can cite numerous numerous examples where --"

" take an example it's from and the time we made backed the wrong leader. Although one -- whatever the case may be you know it's never 100% no one's perfect and what you expect the United States to be perfect in its decision making I don't."

" I don't and I wouldn't hold any country any person to that standard but I do think. That we have a horrible track record you're right on one hand we have the world's humanitarian leading humanitarian nation were always there when there's a disaster. But if you look at our foreign policy I think it is being in somewhat schizophrenic over the last fifty over the last fifty years for a long time America had a consistent foreign policy and that was trade and relations -- at all. But do not in you know get involved in the internal affairs of other nations and has been exceptions that Monroe doctrine. Obviously significant departure from that but I think that was something that was warranted."

" My my my response would be I just I'm very uncomfortable with the language of even then he -- separatists messianic ideas. -- off the you know a comic code known -- bad I I I don't think TV and by the -- mean all of humanity know when to earn his activity good at recognizing these things and -- happening. Another example would action dvds religious extremist that V fighting technology and Qaeda if you look at that it looks that goes back to the Soviet in invasion for understanding who we were supporting blows of the people via fighting now. So so I don't think our technical default recognizing even as the -- and you know once it's but here's my point. You can have a politics which -- defined by fighting evil. Or you can have a politics reform often upon receipt that you defined by supporting court. I would much rather decrease support to -- is rather than be hopes chest with figuring out who did great evil off of the bush and his because I can dismal Gordon there weren't any of the."

" Assert its nice to say that but still it's just nice it's true. -- you know evil triumphs. And eventually you have to adapt and there's just there's just no court but you can -- wolf these are you want. In itself in the -- because it's not going to happen human beings they're not capable of having continuous."

" I -- both feet and humanities and you we disagree."

" You you'll look. I can be land and eleventh and the sea land and I don't."

" rush I'm not sure that. I believe in the in the in I'm a little more pessimistic I guess and how much good there is in the world but the fact is by Russia's standard. And we got to be sending troops to a heck of a lot of places around the world and taken out a lot of bad people and I'm not sure that we're able to do that and I don't think that."

" Well unfortunately if if the Russians and that and the Chinese would work whether it's we we we would conduct accomplish that task."

" Well I pay. Look at the -- look at the political economic and military aims of Communist China mainland China. And it is in into IE US stance if you look at it at the the military doctrine that is the official military -- got to remember that is still Communist country run by Communist military. The military doctrine is aimed at the United States of America we forget that other trading with -- us. But the military posture is an anti US Forster so that's fantasy land if you think we're gonna get cooperation from the Russians the Chinese."

" Or hot or not I'm just telling you that it did it we did to the world. That would be a lot safer for."

" Well -- you're right if it did but that's not going to happen anyway. -- make a good point just went on on the same page and that one month I get back up from the professor on that one which I like Larry from Norton thanks for joining us."

" Larry from Norton thanks for joining us and saying go by 6172666868 and -- that means that he do. I don't know maybe well. I could I I was gonna make a joke -- better not a better not. But you know as -- is -- them before we took the last two calls we look at some of the comments by American politicians to meet shows some naivete by some. I think you're right Joe Biden voice of reason and by the -- someone who obviously. Could capitalize on his given his post on foreign relations committee but he has not tried to do that I think he's been statesman like and reasonable quote from Hillary Clinton -- Iowa. Yesterday was. This is a terrible loss certainly a personal level for those of us who knew where. It certainly raises the stakes high for we expect from our next president I know from a lifetime working to make change and of course Obama have to weigh in. And talk about the fact that this was the who goes murder was emboldened by the Iraq war which mrs. Clinton initially supported now this quite tight look -- against the Iraq war but to try and hang. This tragedy in Pakistan around Hillary Clinton for her vote is stretch I don't."

" It is that he -- politically sensible bestowed DH or they don't -- me -- trying to make facility about them -- been but it could be about Pakistan and if you try to duplicate themselves they don't beat -- looks and yet and Giuliani course tries to make the connection to 9/11 which he looked good. His comment was her death as a reminder that terrorism anywhere whether in New York London tel Aviv and you have to help me out with the pronunciation of novel in Rawalpindi rubble -- economic and is an enemy of freedom mister Giuliani said in a statement and then of course Huckabee tripped tripped over himself you you earlier would probably. I want to -- huckleberry said some candidates were left embarrassed by the reactions Huckabee the former Arkansas governor expressed quote our sincere concern. And apologies for what has happened in Pakistan maybe inadvertently got it right when he said our apologies because of our meddling. Maybe got a right to be backed off he said that he meant to say sympathies not apologies but it's might expect and that's good comment to make sure someone is it and that's on the net that's right back into say I sympathize KJ -- from Norton joining us here earning six AW RKO good afternoon."

" aria good well I want to pick up on the last caller and at best value of the -- that's Serb. In light you know how would you justify going into another country when there is. The definite evil going on I mean I don't think France since Saddam Hussein normal level of Hitler. -- parker you know maybe some might but it's intimate -- some point intervention is. Testified."

" that I think it has to be high threshold I do not believe we have the world's opera tour of what is evil and good I think the beat the people of sovereign nations around the world the arbiter of what is evil and what is good in I don't -- particular country. And it."

" where the arbiter of evil and good but I think I don't I don't think an argument with a stand up to in anybody's idea that. Somehow what happened in you know Africa Darfur or or -- potter although you know Stalin's Russia. By anybody's definition could equal good night and I think it fit brought back on the sovereignty that nation is. Is kind. I don't know -- ignoring me the obvious because. You know that that sooner or later these things do break orders -- didn't -- wait a little long. I don't want to go back in and and compared to Hitler too much but it. Don't you think -- along there them don't you think we've made a mistake Europe and and the United States and I couldn't give a blind there."

" Like every -- further and make the case that you know maybe. Maybe our involvement in World War I in the treaty of Versailles sow the seeds for what to win if we had been consistent in our non interventionist foreign policy. At the turn of the century may be Hitler would not have actual."

" The it even existed in the sense but -- for -- not to jump into that I think appointed James making is is a very valid one and two receives consent for anyone who speak foreign policy issues. Yes there are times to -- And the question is what is that -- team's points racing industry that yes UConn for -- As a civilian ambient comfortable with the language if he wouldn't even partly because the religious extremists who want -- a threat to my own country Pakistan and cost of people conduct these seem to know what you limits and shall fight on -- that he voted about people who have a ready for a moment to view. About what Evelyn is because usually the -- even with the ordinance and I do both agree that that would they would consider even guys that he would not. And I -- teams would be -- wouldn't but the -- question is if if it is greatly increases the the question is yes the art shorts let's reform I think the most of shorts cannot be precautionary and leave me. Second what I am seeing is that on intervention should be. Not to be dictated by and I'm not trying to make a fantasy and without making the CD is important policy welcome. NATO intervention to be guided nor only by the urge to stamp out that which is even. But also by the coach to support the act which is booked. Proving people going in and at -- which is the kitchen -- in -- is out of in the motion of the said."

" V even go to the wrong guy because he's fighting the guy who's -- In standoff at these and other pointing the figure out who device guy it's. Who is actually talking the language of democracy and look we dim because we think even also fight Ds does that these are nonexistent Pakistan's foreign -- showed it does look at this not just in the -- and going to be asking. You know who's been opened its -- enough for months off school for democracy. -- stoops. -- these are liberal and sick and a -- question more group educated people are asking for democracy. Has been heard from those who seek democracy not."

" And as soon as busy as you would say you're analogy -- busy dating we shall be visited intrusiveness -- in parts. -- of flowers and was sending him 500 million dollars in the cold hard US taxpayers can cash that this and we can be present we get -- bought from every check and and Bob how are you today."

" I don't know I can't I don't know what because Dick I just joined accommodation area will welcome you used the word out my my pleasure and down. You to would meddling and -- and that's not a word I elected to take up -- as to what which and I just formulated the question it's not indicated professor here. Armed your country does it is jealousy in the data without data I can I -- am I right about that."

" Is is coming -- inundated with the Al Qaeda. -- even Taliban elements. I waited and -- had -- US great question I would I was going to ask earlier the professor didn't quantify what percentage of the population of Pakistan would be say sympathetic. To the Taliban or to Al Qaeda predict will be tamoxifen destruction use it in the."

" Okay well essentially I guess if in fact that what those in this economy and state our -- as. And -- an agenda -- destroy western civilization okay. And -- indicating that if if in fact people are in Pakistan who are all of that of that agenda shall we say go if you go out and attack the world -- and does spread that to the world's. I guess what an idiot what is your country go to do about that in its its not there not enough is being done. Well formed with the United States or any other country going in the it to try to you mitigate that risk getting itself if for the rest of the world."

" Not like a going in the -- with two actually I wouldn't but -- the question though I English is not my my first language which is why try to do is it carefully and orchard in indeed it is nor nor it would it would use and indeed it would mean that it's. Majority community in the notion in the -- box then is fighting and has EE number of people I Adam -- what kind of me yesterday but the religious extremism. -- rising tools who would -- have been kinda kind of bond. Have these strong courts in the north now in and he -- doesn't doesn't it couldn't carpet because this is a small. But important and really violent minority the -- country that is on the forefront of fighting that's. Is in fact Pakistan and I mean this society of -- who is dying on the forefront of the -- Bucks things are dying in the forefront of border and that it he doesn't meet unions were in basic indeed it is a bomb blast in Pakistan. These -- Pakistani -- that he citizens cab drivers shopkeepers who get blown up because the night and the at the forefront of the water and -- actually I think this us and them mentality especially when you use it would that the video French is it is not knock knock even useful the coming to 22 blocks question. He it is the conundrum the virulent Woodward and -- This -- use four by accident. Boards suggest indeed a suggestion everything's suggest that the majority of Pakistan lost majority of -- Is marred -- and against religious extremists. The conundrum is to disqualify. 80% it's 8% plus certainly yes the Taliban an extremist David -- did reject the extremism and violence it. He is the other about the same percentage but the same people very concerned about too distant and American defects. Ego right and what we mean why don't we understand that illustration of why don't our policy makers understand that sent him the mystic and -- is equipped to. -- if you against. Vista intervention you must before deep interest actor's workshop right like. This is what exit at the beginning of the show I think this is the single most important thing to understand in the water and that it. Not only bucks on. But in Iraq. If it becomes -- it has become an American people. Then you will not get the national would fight between. -- is we have -- Pakistan government affairs. And the US government defeated is to convince the people in these societies that this is due -- What I had hoped for a after the death of BBC which -- a tragic tragic Hingis the meat beat box and -- and the president troop movements in okay she was killed by these extremist the of the ones we should be angry but isn't musharraf saying that. He he's not being beefed. Even piecing it he's not being believed because he's an Oscar developed. At the what the dubious feat is that we have propped up these dictators. -- ballclub with the societies and seeing all of course is might cost how do you do that he moved in they invent our son is died in a bomb blast in Pakistan. Do he sent condolences goes on media covered it accepting we have this is an on going wrong this is before us and viewed the of war for the hearts and minds of people and that -- Vietnam and."

" You may have -- may have went on on that but you said -- wealth the might and might say Larry from Norton joining us Larry thanks for the call here earning him 680 WRKO."

" As -- professor -- great good you know I I guess my first question would be. In all over the last actually it was. And it might pointed is that how. I I agree with what we did because but maybe it's -- and the United States to just pull out of all of these countries. -- back to our country secure our borders take -- Eric bought intervened and your. Are international well. And becomes brutal. Are all open up oh -- or take care ball like inaudible Dalton. And we have no more problems did you. Why we shall tell all due respect to the professor country but why do we have to keep in the world police opened up."

" That's what we I don't think two I don't think bugs things what you do we deputies of Larry I great call you know I'm I'm with the -- had the opportunity about ten years ago and actually visit Switzerland and met the president at the time president for obvious I think his name was Italian Swiss. And you want to talk about where a direct democracy still exists it's it's ironic that the Swiss. Form a government more closely resembles the US constitution. In the in the US government's in big government in place now resembles. The US constitution it's amazing place it there kind of slip a little bit to win -- but you're right I mean I think that I think the Swiss foreign policy serve them pretty well."

" Admit maybe he's sort of for but of course I'm naive yeah I know I didn't want to be -- at my I I think I think the notion that the quoted introduce that that we shouldn't be the policeman of the -- is to play but but as the largest greatest economic and and cultural and social -- the -- I think we have a responsible if you do mister -- not a goal swatting flies if you kind is a problem anything. But setting the example the version looks up to us devoid looks up to us because we haven't had a communion lost the winner looks up to us in the -- that they don't cook up with the that is changing don't choose how they view our actions as a colonial estate type action now that is exactly what I mean. That is exactly -- don't want to be be born too dim to look up to us. As the more boosted -- want to grew up to be cut right not as as the as as as as a 911 call that they -- make him telling you have a problem."

" Not sure how we accomplish that what we didn't get into professor was what it means with the nuclear arsenal in Pakistan is so much to this you want to just offer closing thought on that I know you have to run how how safe are we that these. Nuclear weapons and and Pakistan could potentially fall into the hands of extremists is that something that is even conceivable."

" It certainly conceivable -- click -- I attained that on the nuclear issues as before did have controls have been put -- business and immediate. India by accident nations seem to you Stephen based partly because of -- entirely because of partly because of the nuclear dependence that is now happening -- between the two I think it would needs to keep a close eye on box on -- every other country that has nuclear weapons. But but they just knocked me down to an excuse to get to gain Dictaphone."

" Now the Indians have to share the same concern -- the American share that if these nuclear weapons fell into the wrong hands in Pakistan. India might be more of of target potential lead in the U than US centrists it could get -- good I think I think."

" Of them -- the nuclear thing -- they -- another show I've by the above the future as annoying as objective center and the future of -- if you it I Olivetti about the future of the learned -- did under a -- dozens of country did you -- the but does so to I think we need constant vigilance but my my -- is the -- think about it too much in this means getting into the wrong hands. V zoom in board didn't tools like and we should have proven compass and save and that is why you must be that meet. Because I've -- and keep it from that that from happening. Let us be vigilant let this would be relate to be very careful but it just knocked that meet him a letter Slotnick ducked the issue -- train -- iPods."

" Professor -- John we thank you for taking the time to be with us here -- this Saturday. And I know that will be talking to you again in the future to keep an eye on this. The elections -- win the election is supposed to be next week next wing -- be willing -- I have a feeling that it would be him but I mean I've been wrong before. So couple big election dates we got to Iowa and we got Pakistan and coming up again thank you your time we thank the call -- their time and -- we're going to come back with something a little bit different after the break. Something else that I've been getting an education on lately in the area in the entertainment world something I've learned a lot about the last couple weeks stay with us. In six city WRKO"