Steve Forbes 12-11-07

" But anyway joining us now somebody who knows something about the New Hampshire primary and somebody who is a former presidential candidate couple times. In he's been on the show before when he was running for president now he's a now he say yes -- Oregon a spokesman for a Rudy Giuliani are refer of course to Steve Forbes. Nice to have you back on the Howie Carr showing and stave."

" habit -- all right thank you."

" Well listen you know why. Rudy Giuliani I get so I get some quote -- Rudy is a big try to be tough on immigration these days right."

" Well I think he's always been tough on crime would it be your absolute miracle unmatched by any of the major city in America."

" Well he -- I got some quotes here this is from -- fetters call today and this is from 1996 he compared immigration reform advocates for the know nothing party. The anti immigration issue that's now sweeping the country is in my view no different to the movements that swept the country in the past. You look back -- the Chinese exclusionary act in the know nothing movement these movements that encouraged Americans to fear of foreigners to -- something. That is different and to stop immigration. You think he agrees with that now."

" Well I think he's in favor of legal immigration and in terms of the fighting crime he wanted that people report crimes in the York. -- I'm on the federal government was little or nothing on the subject. And he fought crime in the or reduce the homicide rate for example 70%. And levels we have seen since 1960s so he's four horsemen of the law that's quite proposed an ID card. Apropos ID card -- not a citizen yet to have the party don't have the party don't got a job up many people in a couple of they can't get a job."

" Here's another quote from 1994 if you come here you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status -- one of the people with whom we want in this city."

" But he also said he is against wrongdoers want them immediately deported. And since the federal government if one can or these laws -- local law enforcement it would. That wraps it -- the I asked Amber's predecessor of the patent money and hear about these cases so is and for China on map but as president. And I'd be part that's more than anything else."

" But ignored again though it seemed -- only guy I understand it's different being mayor of New York -- your your appealing to a different electorate that the Republican primary but I mean doesn't it. Doesn't it seem like keys you know and again you could say the same thing about Mitt Romney and certainly Huckabee is has changed a 180 degrees in the last couple months if not weeks. But doesn't it seem like keys and you're you're gonna -- Rudy Giuliani has -- shift that around here in the -- in it it from the days when he was a seeking to what win votes on these say the upper west side in New York has said he."

" Well illegals don't vote at New York City like Tammany hall date would have voted Eliot Spitzer got this way -- that -- that's violates that's -- numbers are low post of George Bush. That was not a winning issue Democrats are curious it's made them very popular which means money."

" 27% favorability rating it's it's amazing he's gone for the 77% to 27% then no one year."

" Yeah they wish there was election this November."

" So is Andrew Cuomo the democratic Attorney General -- New York the the the problem that Rudy has it was a great call today by pat Buchanan had a great line if you -- Steve I have that's he said. He said -- Rudy strategy has been up until very recently he was going to lose Iowa. -- New Hampshire. Lose Michigan and the loose South Carolina and that he was going to run the table and he said that this mixture strategy must have been devised by somebody plays Russian roulette with four bullets in the chamber."

" A -- a always make -- real leopard in New Hampshire and I think is. When he -- on taxes in New York City it also would -- outspending but that's appealed to voters Hampshire in the next four weeks unlike anyone else some like Mitt Romney would in any major tax cut through Giuliani Rudy Giuliani got 183. Even hourly basis city council's 45 Democrats -- Republicans kept spending below the rate of inflation. Mr. Romney was unable to do and that was quite a record. Time when one New York City built Vegas at a very pro spent pro tax increase bias he ordered successfully for years."

" Now what to say something bad about Mike Huckabee because I never hear anything bad about Huckabee for -- Giuliani -- any of his people."

" Well I think you know certainly very nice nine like a little bit as -- about it if he would be a lot of criticism -- Speaking as Steve Forbes that is I think -- idea. On the national sales tax while it up getting rid of the Aires. I think it's much easier to go to radical simplification like the flat tax trying to and the constitution by getting of the sixteenth amendment. At a very time consuming process I want to actually and simplification not ten years now."

" Have you seen his spread you see that's what the mid is running out of Iowa with him much talking about all the taxes he would he wouldn't mind seeing raised -- partner to the Arkansas legislature."

" Yes well are and so on the growth of Arkansas revenues what are very very lag in the compared to the rest of the country and so I hope these last."

" Let's take a caller too for Steve Forbes Steve Forbes's radio former presidential candidate. And -- he is now war ace eighty supporter of -- Rudy Giuliani Paul your next with Howie -- and Steve Forbes or have Paul."

" We think is what is Giuliani goes to you bought almost as in the country in the welfare of its. Back in New York that when he was governor that you would fight get the whole without the city. -- you but he really didn't do anything constructive in my opinion."

" you -- why did you have a New York when Dinkins was the mayor is opposed to Giuliani."

" So what are we partly finished. We've got this city are get them back but -- the rat the other you have."

" Now I have to I think the good Steve I can defend Rudy on this kind of I mean this is ridiculous this open about welfare one of the things Rudy Giuliani that was he major have to show while. To get -- welfare check just what Paul just what happened when he when he decided to make people show up to get there welfare checks the number people declined by I think had a 15% I -- why because they warned that war people -- double dip on the welfare rolls."

" I'd probably I'd these people working in. -- productive it's decided not I don't even have to --"

" So let let let let let me get -- here all when he was mayor he reduce total welfare rolls by almost 60% 640000 people. And in essence he put the -- worked -- and welfare and let the cup Korea at Wisconsin let the way. And no other major -- made the effort that the York city did to reduce the welfare rolls and were still living with that the fruits of that today on the homeless. I'm like -- Californian cities which allow them to camp out of -- wouldn't want to just the worst. And New York City -- real leopard starting Giuliani to get people off the streets and they kept the proper care and take the medications disposed to take."

" Yeah and and Gavin Newsom the mayor of San Francisco was all bent out of shape yesterday when Marie said you have to start clear them off the street -- a little tough love. Or it seems to me that that's pretty self evident that that's what you have to do thanks for the call Paul Vinny you're next with Howie Carr and Steve Forbes go ahead."

" Yeah they're going to leave. State."

" I have a question. -- do you believe the do you think mayor Giuliani for a president Giuliani. -- sponsor an amendment to the United States constitution that says if you come here illegally and have a baby. In America. And Americans territory and in the United States of America. That child is entitled to two years to American citizenship do you think you will sponsor an investment to change that."

" I haven't had talked on -- not specific issue but I have talked to -- on manned the immigration issue in general. And I think again that's that thing with the immigration part you don't have that that tamper proof ID card. You don't get a job and we have the technology -- expression but metrics. And as this one of those things like Alec -- having people show that they wanted to welfare check reduced by 150000 right off the bat. Al levels namely simple things like -- ago long waited till the problem. And -- and has to be got to reform our own immigration service of the people played by the rules. -- on themselves Lambeau wait 510 years yet the decision may case."

" Thanks for the call -- and you're next with how we cards Steve Forbes a former presidential candidate and so now supporter of Rudy Giuliani go ahead and."

" Hi Colleen nice to have people ask I just wanted to say that in defense of -- Leon going to comment on the nine elevenths situation he was mayor of bands. We need a leader not one of those candidates have said that they can lead this country."

" Well we've also they can -- it. Thanks."

" Let think of Rudy is that demonstrated that he can respond actively to unprecedented crisis. -- in the world where that that is a very real issue. And they compassion securities one candidate who edit the Oval Office tariffs would say -- This -- means business demonstrated cleaning up -- very different scale in New York Times square. We have smut peddlers and -- place the courts were saying mrs. expression. On the --"

" black progress again and the squeegee guys all those all that stuff the gentlemen and -- think ports would block one way you'd figure out a way to do it is. Thanks for the call and -- index with how we guard Steve Forbes scored Jim."

" captain Steve I respect you very much in Rudy. Done some things very well mayor but you know we hear those quotes -- and those about following him over the years know that that's just kind of the tip of the iceberg. If we can't let those quotes and take you here Wednesday that he's been hasn't been soft on illegal immigration be a lot better we just did what meant dead. On and stood up that the you know what I was wrong on thump and I was really wrong and here's right stand now but to keep. You know denial of not just a river in Egypt and that's what we're getting its offensive could make that it's like we're stupid thing."

" Now I think what do in the case Rudy Giuliani it's matter of priority as priority when he became mayor -- yet the power to do. This despite this city really and that's crime welfare abuse in the collapsing economy. And where he had powers he did great things federal government at the time made it very clear. They cut interest in forcing immigration laws. And -- or he spoke it made his focus on -- make sure that people in the city were productive -- breaking the law laws of New York City. And that's why can't because focus where yet power he did reduce crime. And now he became president. And immigration is as a security issue which certainly has been since -- Lebanon not. Or is is program and -- art I think would be highly effective in dealing with the problem is today. West and president fifty years ago I think -- and -- it's integrated it's actually."

" Here's another quote from Steve -- from -- fetters column today there are times when undocumented workers must have protection this was when he was mayor he praised the courage and ambition it takes to quote leave your native country and to start a new life and a new land. And quote."

" Yes but then again he makes it clear on most things you read all quotes is that when -- here in New York you have to obeyed the law. And that the federal government is going to enforce the border laws. Yours here he wants to make sure you they especially on violent crime you -- loss of the city in the state."

" About welfare -- my identity but be that you a lot of these a lot of these illegal aliens commit like that you know this as well as I do to commit identity theft."

" Cab who can who can have a fight identity that that is a federal thing that's the databases dispassionate Social Security. And of their not to do on the job were up for the job and don't blame local officials again that dropped the ball on this -- now for twenty years they've got this thing or oh and I think again he's got awaited duel with a ID card the start to cope with the crop."

" Some of these quotes read like Mark green's quotes."

" I don't like that marks -- Awesome Mike Bloomberg for mayor Rudy Giuliani effectively delivered on reducing crime. Creating prosperity bringing jobs back in Europe reducing spending reducing taxes away that it never been done before."

" your next with how we guard Steve Forbes go ahead --"

" I'm I'm very happy that you're working for Rudy Giuliani there's no question the word Giuliani and the word leader of one in the same. Right and I I really appreciate what he did on 9/11 there's no question that. He's a leader and he understands the threats that we face from Al Qaeda."

" Well that's right and and I think that's why it is people to stand offense and I think one of the demonstrated as mayor of New York especially on the crime fraud. Is that he was relentless and on the line out are we getting results -- way to get things -- it's not working price something else. And that. On Republican really don't know why we have a -- to the November elections were changing tactics military strategy in Iraq. It was what should have been done to a three years ago. And not just the search that's working these huge change in on the ground strategy that the -- Fraud and -- people stand neighbor would mean these bad guys out at a wedding and come back -- we went on offense has worked."

" Thanks for the call Ross ray you're next with how we cards Steve Forbes go -- break."

" I -- I like. It worked for you ran out skier but I have a question -- I'd love Rudy something he said on the immigration issue really turned off. If you don't want to keep clarified is it legal immigrants and I'd be part. -- illegal immigrants don't. The only network is its citizens have been ID card and I -- national ID. A Guinea implement its plan without going to a national ID card for US citizen. Well appear that your US and."

" And that database should be and eminently workable. And again one of the things that I think in the that's haven't done. Is get -- databases up to date. For example one of the big sources of illegal immigration in this country not people coming across the border from Mexico or elsewhere -- people coming in on airplanes. Overstayed their visas. And the feds don't do -- tracked them down."

" Steve do you when you do this for a rodeo on these talk shows and is immigration is -- is it an issue everywhere as it is as it is here."

" You get immigration questions everywhere it is a concern you know as in Arizona recently. -- that -- on line a corporation."

" And I say now all fifty states are frontline states on immigration. There are there every state is a border state the way it is now Steve."

" Well but again this -- national security issue and there's -- that we. We have to do with getting a database so we know who's here should be here."

" Okay what they want more call for -- the bullet and go pooch you're next with how we car and Steve Forbes Russian spokesman are supporter Rudy Giuliani go ahead coach."

" The Forbes is an honor you know all the politicians that are running our our our flawed. And have all the politicians I want Giuliani because. -- he's tough on terrorism. And economic base is -- two major concern is that the war on terror and it doesn't matter what happens. And economically Giuliani. Is cutting taxes. And you know Democrats like to what what about how money is -- of all evil but if you look at. -- Reagan they both had supply side to cutting taxes for the rich and his -- gave the coffers of the federal government the most money."

" Well -- that they did cut taxes across the board. And that's with a Rudy Giuliani wants to do cut cut taxes across the board and it works get off people's backs they can focus more being productive instead of -- trying to get around the -- barriers of the IRS. And all the other things government does to make things that difficult for people want to be productive."

" So like that's a line from your your your campaigns for president it's amazing Washington out slow they are killer. Steve Forbes thanks for being with us -- right thank you can't."

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