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" Whenever he feels it's appropriate we're talking about the flag Kennebunkport Maine not far. From the former president's home there is. A -- the DO library in -- bar which is has a display of art. And there are couple controversial pieces by an artist whose use old American flags. -- to make -- caricatures of both the president and the Vice President. End to regardless of whether these are earth do warring or not adoring doesn't matter to me they they happen to be done by an anti bush guy. But that's not the issue so much as the fact that he's using old American flags and it is contrary to the etiquette of proper flag handling. To be are doing this to the fly so I object I want. To see us return to old traditions like being respectful of the flag. And as I think about a particularly on a celebration of veterans day went when you think of how that flag is a symbol of so much emotion so much sacrifice of so much heart. Given on behalf of the freedoms that all of us enjoy the security at all -- enjoy here I you know there's no reason it's just gratuitous disrespect. It is a celebration of self indulgent freedom. At the expense of everything else which is what would it seems to be our -- is a country authority your reaction this idea I don't like the idea the whole library. Is showing artwork that is controversial because it is misusing. Old American flags 8774694322 failure on our car show Todd fiber filling in hi Phil."

" I don't dot. I'm you know the only thing I disagree with Leon actually about a flag that beacon or played mind at my album tired. If you read the actual instruction you couldn't follow that he wanted to -- homeowner I mean there's so many requirements are having a light on the flag not flying at night I think if you were so strict. Of all these old people eat these flags and Mark and personally I don't problem in a flat -- In our car window sticker flag or flag and -- jacket on disrespectful. I don't give up that are the caricatures like you have a problem that but I think you'll see a flag anymore you -- that true that are a lot person I cannot. Spotlight my neighborhood on the flag. At night and I don't get home early enough Pickett down every night I wouldn't -- a quiet."

" points of the rules is Jewish it to treat the flag with respect you don't like you're not supposed to let it touch the ground. -- and mean you have to go jump off of a high building if that happens to scrape the ground it means there are certain ground rules for dealing with -- and and one of the most obviously disrespectful things is to take that which is the symbol of our country. And states so it into the body of your genes. So I I you know I think you're using a false argument to say that well since I can't take care the most extreme of the rules then all of them it would go out the window the point is treat the flag with respect. Because the people who gave us that flag. The people who give us our country because they're willing to go to war on our behalf. Most people deserve that respect even if you don't feel it all by yourself for the country even if you don't feel a sense of law when you look up at a flag. Then at least have respect for those who were put their life in danger for. And don't be someone under the body your genes are making some. Caricature of the president -- 877469432 to Highbury on -- no respect no respect the rule go ahead bill."

" It's ironic that we -- Thank -- take care and most active rated in the second grade I make each and they're not surely they had that they don't make any."

" Now that's it's a good point it's too bad that they're made in China. That is the stated that at the that is the unfortunate state of our world affairs 8774694310 --"

" Other way that you can actually pick out Chinese American flags and made in China because the Chinese used the wrong color red when they make an American flag rose Chinese red. And on American."

" Like well let's just make a pact amongst us that among all of us that we won't buy any flags that are made in China check and make sure. That they error made in the United States -- here on our car show high."

" I doubt I think we should teach proper by get a can explain why well. Obviously arrow united Europe this topic are. A couple of made me a month ago when the but the fact and enough people not wearing a flag and they all content -- assemble so America it's very important turn it historically in just teaching proper respect just you know like 70 cited for people who aren't."

" The conversation in a few weeks ago was prompted by Barack Obama in his unwillingness to wear a flag and his his argument that he had become a trivialization of what patriotism is all about and that may be the case for him that it's trivial but for people who. Looked up to -- been inspired NS have been willingness to risk their lives and seen their their friends and loved ones' sacrifice their lives for this country. I think it's it's an appropriate. Active respect to if you're not gonna fly -- at least be respectful but not -- in an -- don't you think."

" I'm yet however note I think that they should keep their characters displayed at all I'll explain why I think that it really shows the strength or patriotism and our tolerance it's another person -- an interest free speech right. If we can have some thing like that we can show that we -- not afraid of seeing images like that. It you know what it -- an opportunity like we're having right now it to talk about proper respect that why would you agree or disagree with the artwork."

" Well my problem with that is I think the more important lesson is. For our country to know that it we have standards and -- library which is a community government building. To be displaying art that it knows to be a slap in the face to the American flag. Would seem to me a contradiction of of the spirit. Of of what a government institution should be doing. And vause is -- tearing down of standards rather than a building up of standards so I understand or your arguing but. I think there's an there's as a -- for self indulgence now that seems to dominate everything every individual's freedom is to do whatever the hell I want even -- fit the represents a huge sacrifice to the collective."

" So if you take out these. -- care pitchers what message is that an."

" Oh while water is say you live and Kenny bunk Andy and you're here you have a 12 year old boy he says to dad why they take down those pictures. Well there's that you talk about education there's a nice educational opportunity is an."

" Well isn't a great opportunity to take a minute show them and say what you think that well how do you feel about our flag being used as these caricatures like probably a liberal artists use. Comedians it's pretty ironic a -- an artist be used in the flag. And then it really is shelling out how -- how strong we are and how upgrade our right."

" I I think you're twisting it up Andy because again it's a government building -- how does a boy interpret. The fact that his government okay it's the Kenny bunk government. It's -- Kenny bunk authority figures. Desecrating the fly her or endorsing its desecration by showing our work that's made with a old flags that is an active disrespect on the part of those in charge how do you explain to him that it's a positive thing. For those in charge should be desecrating the flag. How do you make that no positive I don't see it okay you get have a conversation you -- have a conversation any -- the water over the fly. You drive by a house as a flight on you order your flag. And you -- your kid. Let's talk about this why -- we fly flax why does America have a fly what are the arguments against. Flying a flag why would you not wear a flag. You can do that any day of the week you need to charm that the town fathers are disrespectful to the symbol that our our nation's wears its allegiance to 877469432 to be careful about over thank goodness it's fairly simple. There are. There are. A set of guidelines for showing proper respect to the flag. Doing our work with a old flags is not part of that criteria. So don't go looking for reasons to endorse did desecrating -- That's silliness 877469432 to the -- line number 6177793469. This is how we -- show."

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" Who has that Brittany. Madonna and it. Of course it was Carrie Underwood and those other lightly ladies would not saying that -- couldn't sing at that well Kerry is somethin' isn't shake. That was during their -- series current but not here though is. Or in the elegant stating to ban 8774694322. My generation. Came of age in a time when people were deliberately dis respecting the flag. And the great sadness I have about the 60s and early 70s which I considered him part of the 60s. Is that adults -- allowed themselves and their society to get -- world. To get totally bowled over by a movement that was negative and cynical and destructive of which were still trying to shake the negative effects out. And because of them it has become routine. Four people to do things like make artwork -- flags which he wouldn't have been allowed 30 years ago because. It's against the rules of respect in terms of how you handle a -- These things are. Vital to -- young people understand our society and understand good behavior. And understand right wrong and we don't teach right and wrong enough anymore we don't teach. The importance of traditions that we don't hand down those traditions are for were fearful I guess. Appearing to traditional or old fashioned boy what a nice thing for kids. To feel old -- variants on the part of their parents or grandparents or whomever is handing them down this legacy any respect. For the flag in a respect for that which it represents 8774694322 so when ICL librarian Kenny about main. -- sure you can put up some artwork made with the old flags. I say yeah -- you know I'm not going to make it -- a federal offense that some guy buys old flags at flea markets and makes our work out of but it's wrong for the library to endorse it shouldn't be done it should nobody should give those things a public airing. Beat simply because emit little flags and -- proper etiquette 8774694322 chump line number is 6177793469 Kathryn welcome to the how to car show."

" Thank you so much it's I had a major problem was people look at no respect for the flag. I had and then the pattern that the storm and he actually did not -- from my Iraq in June. I've I'm acquaintances and living down here by choice we flight both of our flags on how. And we completely -- by the edit it it -- rain storm coming we take the quiet down we've all been properly into the praying. If any former anything in the coming -- we respect that we now have a three year old father didn't see her father -- 18 months when it was the way she even knows -- we take the flag down why we're taking them down. She says that daddy like that's -- like their ball. Might like. She knows not to let the practical round we helped her older rock record -- the flag stand."

" And what a wonderful thing you're handing him -- her she feels the richness. All of that legacy that you folks are handing out to her that she knows makes a connection between the two review. But she's she's also feeling the security that comes. From understanding that you guys have values in the -- provide rules and regulations and clarity regarding what's good and what's -- what's important what is it."

" January you're talking about how to -- police. Get rid of the flag for lack of a better term might flag was. Getting all ratty and it might has been kept it down we did not let that touched the ground -- to be appropriate triangle -- we took it into our back yard. We earned it. I didn't know about the burning tradition and I would almost in -- where my as the -- all of this is what we have to do it he could not part of two wars. I think he knows he advocate who went -- When you with a wave we I flew the blue star banner flag in my front window so everybody would note that I had a person without war yeah."

" And Catherine it is out of respect to you and your husband but in a way more to you because you're the one. Who sat home looking at that flag and thinking about your husband be an away all those months and years -- am so out of respect to you. I want to respect the flag and I want to hand down that respect 2 whomever I can't. And I want it I want young people to feel what I felt when I was a kid and we went through these rituals at school in the taught us how to handle we took the flag down and we folded. And there's there's such a beauty and that it's almost beyond what words can describe how good that feels when your kid. And you or being made part of a tradition the you know the adults care about 8774694322 Larry hi"

" year old Leo at but I -- I don't blame -- not alone in the -- Well -- get all that suggest that you might global fabric -- And the like Italy and the united -- like it. And you know if you wrote recently pointed in and ma'am what's going on behind Ernie -- and."

" I haven't heard that in years it's really good idea thank you Larry 8774694322. The -- line 6177793469."

" And there are American flags -- or just plain. Disrespectful and why be that way especially the government -- I taught feinberg this is how we are shelf"