Sen. Joe Biden

" Let's go right to -- that if we can senator Joe Biden pressure off another impressive performance here and now. In New Hampshire a joke do our -- 200 grade and you know we've had several calls already Seiji Biden was on his game last night -- I thought excellent job but let me go right to the -- had a right to the real deal. Before the debate you down in Washington and he had some success on a a resolution that a joint bright bought brought excuse me bipartisan support tell us a little bit about that show on how it relates to the larger issue of Iraq."

" It would come have been pushing for along time two. To get off this particular trying to establish a strong central government correct people under 60000 troops -- try to force that. And I'd been arguing that that we should have which decentralized directly -- constitution calls for. Separate the warring parties give -- some breathing room within their own areas and that's -- way to in this civil war because it is the civil war 500000 Americans can and the civil war just -- political solution put forward -- originally put that forward it was somewhat denigrated people didn't pay much attention. It -- to support were not only an awful lot of of the so called experts agree that. But 75 Democrats -- Republicans voted for a as the political solution to get us out of Iraq. Decentralized that like the constitution calls for. And I give them local security and get our troops the middle of that civil war. And and that's the way to is first rate of open that is first bipartisan vote that we have a solution for racket lastly it's a total. Complete reputation of the president's strategy in Iraq which was too. Sure surge troops people lot of troops in there for what purpose to give. The parties an opportunity to put together strong central government that's never going to happen. It should be regional governments essentially like we have articles consideration before the constitution -- central government. Inside one country where the states that -- more power."

" mentioned this as a first but very important step in the political solution that everybody has suggested easy sensual and I want to talk politics how do you think this bipartisan resolution which you helped frame and passed yesterday down in DC. How do you think that plays with political group -- move on dot org and some of the other blog net -- groups that have been very very active and very vocal."

" Well I hope would play with everybody as the solution this is -- way to rationally. And it's only get American troops out without leaving chaos below it. The military -- at Dartmouth pointed out last night with a stalking the students that you know it's one thing together our troops out it's another thing to -- behind the civil war that is up for the regional war involving Turkey and and -- it and in have been in these kids in the go back five years. And so I would hope everywhere from move on that'll work to conservatives and many conservatives vote for this that all Democrats but one Barack Obama didn't show up to vote but the other ones there's only one of the -- who didn't vote in the voters vote though. This is -- this as a waiver people -- Charlie finally for figuring out how you leave Iraq. Without leaving chaos behind and I would expect that it would be greeted warmly by everyone from move on dot org any centrist organization that says look. We cannot solve this war militarily attendees -- political solution in this is the only. The only solution that is put forward that is politically says -- organize yourself like to constitution's status. It's a little bit telling them the best example is Kurdistan. The Kurds are with in the country ago -- They're up there -- they have six of the so called states there's 18 -- for the Iraqi teen government's record. -- we've always had a how many hundreds of American soldiers appear so it's 25% 20% of the population. Not a single American has been killed there it's it it's a model it's what we did also in Bosnia. And but the problem has been up to the president and the Republicans in the democratic candidates it's stuck to this notion. That based certain tactics either surge troops to withdraw troops from moved troops whatever summer you can bring. Peace that is in the civil war in Iraq that's what's killing our guys it would have been. They're caught in the midst of the civil war this is the way to end the civil war."

" Joe I -- irreparable I think your reference last night in the debate to Bosnia was very impressive I think a lot of people and it I think almost any view would say while that's a good refreshment of my memory a long time ten years or so now 20000 troops not one single death. Of American -- personnel over the -- and success let me jump to Iraqi politics for a minute as opposed to move on dot -- bipartisan support. Can -- lucky and his group. -- is zero way for them to do this today lose face and therefore resistant. Or can they find a way to accommodate what you passed yesterday is this bipartisan resolution."

" The irony is that you know a key is that Shiite. It and that is the largest population they make a majority of 60%. But the Shiites are split. In -- five differ warring militias. From this -- solder everybody knows about who is the guy who has is Mahdi army. And to the army that sits there that the so called potter brigade that have been trained by the Iranians would. When Saddam was still power in three other of these elections. The irony is when I was there where a trip to Thursday's ago I'd met with -- the Shiah. Vice President there's various there's machine you Prime Minister then there's -- Vice President in the city and boisterous. This year Vice President strongly supports them by. As does the Sunni Vice President and not because we -- Joe Biden there's just as we Catholics say they've had in the Tiffany. What's happened here is they figured it out. They've figured out that there are never going to be able to run the country on their own and control at all. Without making some accommodations to the Sunnis and Sunnis have figured out. They're not going to be -- control and the best way for them to have some autonomy with their own region within their own region. In get a share of the oil revenues would -- federal government can oppress them. And so everybody's come to this conclusion this isn't this like portion of the open door to. This is not a hard thing what the resolution also calls for hours 11 called for was talked about your program. We've got to make this the world problem. Not just the United States has problems why wouldn't spoke to the Russians. The French the Germans to Chinese -- in the -- misspoke the the Chinese the Russians the French and English and they all agree with this this approach. So here you have achieved excellent resolution calls. Is get the major powers in that that the Beijing nuclear powers who happened to be so called probably five you know it. For them a call regional conference they bring in. The Turks beneath the the Iranians the saudis it's figures to deal. This is the deal. And you got to put -- world stamped on it because we have very little credibility. So that's the way to get about duel everybody knows ultimately is the solution -- cute breathing room. In their -- sections of the old police forces senator. That's what happened in Bosnia. In the same thing can happen here in their coming to that conclusion and personally I can attest to that. Because I was of the sandstorm in Fallujah they would get backed -- helicopters so for three hours. I sat there with the Sunni Vice President and number two guy and number one guard facilities and the number 12 guys for the -- And they agree with the place."

" And we thought flight delays only occurred at Logan ample -- a -- got a little -- I still don't know right around -- that's -- they were targeted Joe --"

" Fresh off another impressive performance up but the debate last night at Dartmouth college. And -- he's been talking about the the broad broad bipartisan support of the resolution he offered yet again in congress yesterday and trying to move the political solution forward Joe yesterday I thought a great question. Offered by Tim russert on the torture question hypothetical which then turned out to be. As described by William Jefferson Clinton on -- nearly time when he had met. With Tim -- You -- very -- your response you sided one the ideals Wallace and let me put it in Iran -- the Georgia questioned the -- a hypothetical you have information as a high level of chatter it seems as if there's a credible suspect. And the question is do we torture in order to extract the information to save American lives. Let me give Joe Biden another another swing at that."

" The answer is no three reasons first practical it is torture. As John McCain testifies to -- every general I spoke to told me. Torture -- you're gonna give you any ingenuity here there's no relationship to the truth I'd point out. That's how we were told there were weapons of mass destruction. Before this war began because that's what happened somebody in Egypt wanted to kind of people they just flat lied. Told us what we wanted to hear in fact is no bearing to the true number two. If you sit as a policy that the United States would engage in torture my kid that your kid in every other person were in uniform. Is going to be subject to that torture and we have no recourse whatsoever and number three. The idea that the United States of America would be the only outfit out there of the civilized nations saying that. We leading gauging torture when we believe to be expedient. Undermines every single solitary aspect of what we increased air force in the last for the late term I -- speech as to go to law school called drake law school out in Iowa. About six months ago I got a call from the 18 the -- Franklin pierce law school Concord, New Hampshire. What I need when it turned out be 174 story generals and admirals I thought they're about weird about it tadic dropped. Nice that I would meet within the guys who retired. Head of Jerry forced larger. I bet with a little room and the one thing these generals weren't asked me would I commit that I would not back off my position of note tortured. These are hard past generals. Some one of whom had been in present himself. These are -- tell me. Do not sign on the US policy like that -- jeopardize American forces in the -- no work for all of those reasons I think. We should not have the policy outlined by I guess former president."

" Las nature you described Rudy Giuliani is the least informed of all presidential candidates and I think in some comments after the after the debate post debate comments. You can through a little wide Alou open included Mitt Romney on that. They are obviously taken what I would characterize as a hot line position. On the war renew Iraqi and on the synergy and on a variety of other things commute in expand upon your comments and at this."

" Just can't look at Sony personal big question is I was that later. Well who else in the Republican Party in actual I don't see anything coming from the Romney neither of these men had any experience. Any experience dealing with the international relations any experience in nice security policy. In the thickness most disturbing that both of them they've been rubber stamps for every single thing in this prison has done. It's been a totally failed policy Giuliani who touts what he did with the fight crime bill but putting more cops on the street in New York. As this president decimated the program -- canal remains silent Rudy Giuliani talks about wanting to protect our borders. Not supported any -- 9/11 commission recommendations from inspecting cargo containers. To renovating the troubles and New York City richer obvious targets for terrorists -- cetera. Rudy Giuliani is a guy who just kind of figured out where Pakistan is Rudy Giuliani is a guy who's been. Inflated for being in being paid to inform people that security measures and other cities around the world. And what I can see I don't know anything that he has said or done with regard to vessels security policy. That indicates he understands the complications the idea that you know so the distinctive for example remember reading Rudy Giuliani they did this you know breakthroughs statements he thought well maybe. We should start to get out and deal with Pakistan I don't know -- mental -- years so I can hardly wait to debate Rudy Giuliani on national security I can hardly wait to debate England domestic secured. How -- any talk about being in this -- after these policies. When he eliminates. The the cops program he supports elimination of the cops program violent crimes coupled with the country. When he factors not support the spending needed to implement the 9/11 commission recommendations and went and I seen no indication he has a sense of the you know -- The complications exist in American foreign policy particularly in the Middle East."

" Richard you've been great to spend so much -- and we realize you're up against the clock is what you mentioned a moment or two ago was the epiphany moment Catholics always -- that in spite of its type of people to have an epiphany. A wondered if you have an opinion on Dennis Kucinich and and Mike gravel I described -- earlier is the kind of the uncle who may be drinks a little bit too much at thanksgiving but -- been invited over but it's time to get off the stage how this should day is -- time for them to have that epiphany."

" Well so look I didn't make an awful hard and you don't need need your characters like look at neither one of them have any extensive campaign efforts they need -- America but at its best to my knowledge. In the you know serious organizations in Cuba organizations out there and didn't step for a so I think you know they I I think there. Their they had to the you know added. They chatter in the interest in him in no way denigrating your one of them but I doubt there either one of them think that they are turned serious seriously engaged in the in this nomination process and and therefore I think there should be sort of relationship between not not polling data but some relationship between. What kind of total effort you have nationally in what could toddler which you have terms these early states. In order to justify -- that you're really truly you know contending for the nomination and so -- and it does make it harder with with with --"

" I feel as if I'm an extraordinarily patient -- feeling that guy in my feel radius up about it at some point but at some point of saint. Can be able Biden give me -- died giving Bob Barak or Hillary of but please please -- hey -- I'm going to let you go to you've been fabulous. Great job last night thanks for joining us again on the current story illustration of gala that Joe all right we'll be back in a moment on AM 680 WRKO"