Legalize it?

Aug 18, 2013|

Right Turn: an innovative program that offers intensive outpatient treatment and supportive housing in a uniquely creative environment. Anyone with a desire for creative expression, recovery and the support of a kindred community will feel welcome here.

Transcript - will not be 100% accurate

Go all -- inside. Welcome to -- through radio I'm John O'Hanlon and every game. And you listen to new England's foremost addiction and mental health program every week we're still call that spanking when your dancing to review that. -- yet what's happened over the computer touch. Asking the musical question legalize it and hit advertising to that advertise it. That's the subject the Russia to the how is your weekend my weekend was awesome ice on nick Lowe with some friends last night fantastic he gets better with -- Chris is get him a number of years yes to number -- we're going to weaken those. The as soon -- the there was rates so beautiful this is when -- -- the best so. We're talking -- legalization. Should drugs be legalized the weather is legalization mean. How would it affect our communities. Will take an in depth look at the present and the legalization. And and look at the different levels of legalization. And how countries who have decriminalized. Did it where did help to make things worse. And how many of us -- for legalization. So -- it's not my backyard. We wanna hear from you our listeners so give us a call 617266686. -- were 6868. We're things calmed down I think this. Issue we have two guests joining us tonight. Peter Crist is a retired police captain with one years of experience enforcing drug was. From the beginning Peter believed the drug war can never be one and it's doing more harm than good. After retiring in 1989 he begins speaking out publicly against the war on drugs and in 1993 became one of the first members. Of reconsider. Peter then co-founder -- leave oh eap. A nonprofit organization made up of current and former members of the law enforcement. And criminal justice communities who are speaking out about the failures. Of our existing drug policies we also. -- Hensley who's a mother a wife school board member volunteer and member of an organization called Sam. Sam stands for Smart approaches to marijuana and -- and they believe that. Quote in an approach that neither legalize as Norton demonized as marijuana on quote. They were to champion Smart policies that decrease marijuana use. And do not harm marijuana users and low level dealers with the restaurants. At lake echoed yes that's a good -- -- has worked environmental affairs and higher education specifically in industrial pollution prevention. And Toxics. Toxics use reduction for the state of -- Massachusetts. Again we'd love to hear from you guys. Everywhere you come -- on this -- apple will have to. Many business. If it. So so and let things the reason I missed it seemed like such an important show is Eric Holder this weekend and this week. The attorney general in -- -- to Edmonton out of an aware of that yes Canadians now. It announced. That he really went to change. The turbulence teapot he went stick try a fundamentally new approach. -- mr. holder said that the widespread incarceration. Was both ineffective and unsustainable. And we'll talk more about how. How huge it is -- and he ordered prosecutors to avoid triggering mandatory minimum sentences which are tied to drug quantities and number of times. And for defendants who have committed low level drug crimes possession we're not saying they. For everybody. And so I'd like to test everybody here to the federal government scaling back -- -- Le enforcement mean that we're one step closer and legalization. And -- -- Eric holder's speech mean to you both Peter and -- -- They'll 'cause Peter -- -- Out to be here tonight. Thanks for joining us too so Peter -- Eric Holder means you. Actually open. While. Let me let me tell you why. It's been 1863. Instead of signing the emancipation. Proclamation. Lincoln has signed a law that -- you're not allowed to keep sleeves over the age fifty and now that would let slavery intact. But it would have been better for the people over fifty very well the thing that had this happened was slavery. And slavery was -- good idea it never should have happened in the -- society. But we did it for years were colder is doing is trying to so often does so little resources and last longer. We have two problems in our society. And we talk about them as if they're worn. Because they act in 1970s. Mr. Nixon. -- them. And they are ships but it drug problem which is -- -- in abuse of these theories sometimes dangerous substances. And then we have the crying and violence problem that is associated. Under -- marketplace. Bet that drugs didn't predates. We -- created. What we decided to make the schedule one and two prohibits. All use these -- We did not legalize -- hall in nineteen for the because in new scientific study team multiple -- or -- my goodness we are wrong about alcohol it's really wonderful -- Your kids it's. It is that's why we legal okay we legalize it. Because it only took there's thirteen yours so learn a lesson that time and they have less it was this. Prohibition. Is were created people like -- or not alcohol. And the futuristic thing about it is we learned that we can't make alcohol -- way. It's so it was going to be part of our society. So we decided that it alcoholism was going to be here it is much better force to deal with -- it'll licensed regulated marketplace. It is they have gangsters and thought she would get on the industry that. That's really really good point -- Jody were you heard attorney general holder's. Conference this week I'm assuming. Does that affect what you guys are doing at all. You know I yeah I accidentally. And Ernie -- older. One -- and things like what am an ethical argument that marijuana is all about. It -- I don't recently. And the quality is not the actors are problem are -- want. That -- in our generation is not the end there's been -- -- dot com. I hope -- picturing the nation's. The actor. I -- -- bodies and -- eat well. The answer is get people eating out or Eric. Infantry and can -- be accurate -- it eight -- 08. I'm from. And get people that at a certain that they help they need I think alcohol and we -- -- It from -- do it rob Lee got the outcome. And the CEO is it. And back out and back I would actually probably not -- much. Well better. I. Eric and and marijuana but marijuana not only -- Well aren't so happy I am what -- It shelling that there is it. Are they did in brain function and expect it especially. The younger people eat well here are all there are other position right in line of martyr. Urged Obama all of. So there you have to. But -- really interesting isn't there in plain view is not represented here and we have very hard time finding someone and that was. We think this is really working well keep doing what is it. You know I mean. You know it it's not working and you two have different solutions and how to fix it but everybody seems to -- this ranking. It's going to be creating artwork drug court are working. Right or are. Our current court are working where before heading to jail. Prepared -- -- options for treatment and recovery. Yeah and Peter you're gonna say ya I was gonna say that. We have two problems I wish we could please separate. I do not considerate legalization. Of drugs. Is an answer to our rob the problems. Okay just like legalization of alcohol was not an answer to our alcohol problem. In fact we did a very profoundly brilliant thing in 1933. And we do have every profoundly stupid thing in 1933. And the brilliant thing was we ended alcohol prohibition and this stupid thing was we went on a Bender in this country for almost fifty years. Pretending we didn't have an alcohol problem. No let me give you an example of how that played out in reality I started as a rookie patrol officer to suburb of the city of buffalo. In 1969. I meet my first DW I arrest in the summer of 1970. A year and a half after it start -- the job. I brought that person into the police department under arrest. This senior officers said things to me like. What are your. Picture out there are you drink to torture whether -- that poor guy for. We have a harder and -- officer police department has -- the spirit of 85000 residents. And nobody knew -- we didn't have -- place respect that nobody knew would that we did blood tertiary urine tests. Because. There hadn't -- DW I arrest made by that department and -- -- OK no -- I -- will be just finished let me just finish please I don't -- to legalize drugs and -- wanna Bender pretending we don't have a drug problem. We don't legalize drugs get the gangsters and thugs out of the market. Replaced so we can bring it out and he opened so that I heroin addict feels just as free and open to seek treatment as an alcoholic daughters. Okay because alcoholic doesn't have to say hi I'm an alcoholic and Democrat little. Computer and after an anchor we have -- we go to commercial right now but I loved the cut that what's going on here and I love the opening up this topic if you have any questions for our guests Peter -- please give us a call 617266. Six states succeed in listening to rate turned radio. And the New York radio six medium. Welcome back I'm John drew him here with everything you're listening to right turn the radio on the New York studios executive -- him. The only questions -- and comments about this. Topic give us a call 6172666868. -- so this is the. This is this who were boiling -- it hit this really interesting subject because you know whenever you bring -- up everybody has really champions. But there's -- different levels and it's in this state. We have decriminalized. Marijuana -- yes. We've. And that's different than legalizing. Because if you distributing it are -- selling it -- you're running a cartel that runs that you still. Can get arrested theoretically those they rarely do. If you legalize it. He somehow figure and a federal system to make sure people who have drug addictions get their drugs until they get sober. Regularly like men regularly calls regularly is tobacco's regular. Now marijuana in the state is difficult difficult to explain because it is also. It's legal -- says he cream on his. But it's also considered -- medical road and then that. Who'd done and I know they say so if it's medical. Why isn't it in pharmacies -- what it's like having -- it's like alcohol has a liquor store. And -- has dispensary. I mean it just doesn't make sense to me and then. You know so when I go to the doctor and I hit a heart medication and I have to move you know whatever the neighborhood drugstores and get that with a prescription that's federally controlled. And and when IE if I have a headache and I told my doctor in California. He gives me a card maker to a dispensary and I can kind of picked you know. We've lollipops and just. That seems a little off it's be partially because it's not being regulated it's this kind of a free for -- their -- My big thing about legalization. As opposed decriminalization. Is and Peter address this is the huge. Elephant in the room of the and you know. The drug trade. And to the incredible violence that goes on on the drug -- incredible human. Us the make 70000 people have been killed in America and Mexico in the last six years. And -- and then the utilization of the of the people -- the the punishment of the people rather than treatment and education that money being diverted so. I think it's you know this is a massive issue and it does kind of come down to around it's being. In a Petri dish with this -- medical marijuana thing dispensary thing. I'm wondering if it's marijuana is different and people trying to treated more like alcohol then minds. You know is Marilyn different than all other drugs is there a suspect Jim Farley is it just. Mission creep here wrote -- -- what do you think of the. I think you at least the right to edit room is an airy -- cream cart the city and the city. And me in the know and of legalizing. I mean is that means. Leak like -- is that neatly like arrow and I think need that -- rates are available and the United States of America and the marketing machine in the world it would mean advertising and advertising me pushing and we're waiting. And and that increase the availability needs more people would see you in how I -- Rebecca I'll I'll -- current and drug war. Decriminalization. We're what we're seeking an eye well can I voted yet and he cram and what not particularly well informed. Armed because I believe the debt by decriminalizing marijuana and we would eat and values that users marijuana out of jail ineptitude. What I learned since then in addition to learning that the marijuana use the -- -- and -- people aren't rocket. In the in the years after the decriminalization. -- because best -- in what no consequences. Dealers moved into -- Elarton and to round it got the idea that there were no consequences and that are my both of those -- relations bill -- ala the consequent. You went out and now that -- -- a one -- You used -- an airliner in the country we have now. Support groups for parents of the children and I know it and try to beat the but -- -- because these. Group of parents are asking that their story people. This week -- within -- -- in the -- -- recovered well there are -- or recovery of ineptitude or addicted children. And they hope there's very their recovery. -- actually were brought recovery weren't trying to people who would be ETA in -- up early. We need to bring in here we need to break him but we are we're having upcoming show on the recovery schools we want -- we have a column right now. My -- gone. We're doing pretty well he got a question for one of our guests. Well I -- more. Just make a statement and maybe what you guys -- Are you at all. There's there's two different people in this country who are employed in making money off the prohibition of drugs without whether improvisation. -- prisons and jails implement these plug in appointment administration. In -- press saying yeah. I think we've gone over the line people we've always we've -- all that -- that we cannot. And because as you know there's so many people Apollo who would lose. Peter this is this sound like you're this is the Nadal Murray and human. Marty interpret that bringing you important issue wolf Dieter Peter I want to get wanted to get -- Yeah -- -- can I just fueled your question senate majority do you think it's possible. In this society. To make the drug scroll way in other words we won the war on drugs there's no war era when there's no more marijuana in the streets. Do you think that's possible. -- you know what a I -- -- -- the reduction in the music in your majority majority -- don't Brody and won its fifth. I just didn't play like they did in the league and -- are you agree that you only need to be an MRI usually -- up. Sure there's a little bit. They weren't sure there's a little bit -- short -- we have to share -- -- a little bit of criticism gesture show depicted as a view -- -- -- with these two we need to be able to. -- discussion. Here discussion if you were ringing that the drugs are always going to be part of our society. Then there is only one question to ask. And there is who are is going to run -- marketplace. You wanted to be gangsters -- and terrorists. Or you wanted to be regulated like this in control shall we just sit ageless that's and -- controls. So you are actually where did you guys we're gonna go to a cholera now. -- It would look at how they. And so opiate addiction and sit down. You know she had to dispense. Pharmacies for. You have to go through -- you know clinic which I think it's one of the country. I think capital. It's all about money in some ways in treating addiction you know cargo -- and then that doctors -- -- Not right to box sun apps especially acts numbers and -- -- nurse practitioners physician. Rights groups in this. So that's called being kept to a market a lot of people ask them charged cash for that. So some people are concerned that if the government gets a handle on this. They're gonna put you you talked about criminals and drug lords some people see the government is worse than that and their concern that it would be an impossible thing. To regulate it. Yeah I mean if the that this was a discussion I had my -- today but the but it is all about followed the money. You follow the money but they're saying now that if you know a lot of people say well this is the problem to all the financial solutions. But the solution to all the financial problems in California. Estimated and you annual revenue that California would raise it -- tax. And regulated the sale of marijuana. Would be 1000000400. Million dollars a year. An annual financial -- that will -- an additional. Well I mean and a member of the whole discussion MM marijuana and I think people Anna and I totally see what -- sees. It in my in my long career. The change in views in the past five years them Carolina has been amazing yeah. Signing kids are now we've had kids coming but it's not -- you you know I mean China is also was opium that. And so is in a -- you get from various you know various things in the but the there on the actual but still mulling an idea. And I think also there's the people it's been normalized like you say. And we -- we're seeing it in all these drugs taken human -- all these drugs have addictive potential. All of these -- I don't think there's any question that there's a huge drug problem in this country Peter's point. Is is you know. This this is a separate issue -- war on drugs is a failure there needs to be a change may be holder's move as the first show. And in the in an ending you know there's that possibility. But an -- and -- saying you know things have really shifted and so here we act. But as traders of people who end up in jail because of their addiction we know that it's a bad idea that -- up there. You're listening to -- turned radio and WRKO six PDA AM. -- -- Welcome back I'm -- come in here with every team you're listening to right through radio. And there you are you succeeded him you have any questions for -- It was a call 61726. Or 686. Years. And our guests are Peter Crist from -- and Ginny Hensley from Sam. So. What we have having great thing goes into instant at this indicates at. And an I wanna thank you thank or guests is they've been there they're great -- to them but I have a list of the top ten reasons why church should be. Legalized and it's from Britain so it legalized -- often apps that's right now and you have to see in the pretended. I can do that but not on the -- One of the things they talked about I think you both will agree with us is. When it we need to address the appeal issues that's number one. Is that if we legalize drugs that may be the real underlying issues behind drug use would be addressed but he -- think of that. In. -- -- we are -- that society are realizing that we epic at the end of the underlying reasons and I am really I didn't I am. Which -- Pensacola. And it is an airline policy and the national of her and who is Patrick Kennedy. Patrick is very about it action -- is that he's very honest about mental health package. And -- your father that -- -- about security at the new cornerstone of the year and how. Would mean that people Whitman a health issues. We'll be treated on Arctic -- but with in the about issues. Any help the very beautifully many -- compound there outlook. -- realized the brain. Art of the body they sleep let me respectfully treat both of them so I think we're moving in the direction. Of dealing with the underlying issues but the underlying issues. But the self medication and it. Actually I wanna say we might be moving tires that are acting but as a tree here in the field we're nowhere near a parity -- be that direction so I. So and the American public are in an act in the actor. Oh -- got a lot so Peter. But you something else to. They -- Peter elected I'd like to ask you a quick question is is so let's just say we wake up tomorrow so he agreed with that amen I this her iron. You wake up tomorrow. And drugs are illegal. What kind of consequences. It if you are are gonna be in place for people there. You know that have these things and that abuse laws -- abuse you know. The new the new. Yeah I mean yes he -- when it when it wouldn't consequences fair. A kid who's selling pot to his friends and school. It is I'm assuming that there would be illegal in the regulated marketplace just like to be so alcohol. Campbell's two was Britain's. It's still legal case. So I mean that's not a problem what would happen is -- -- -- this example when we talk about just for a couple minutes about two mere citizens. One is an L hall. Nobody alcoholic I don't mean in to read our read I mean there are written as somebody -- drink ten. Every day surgery advocate bought bought. They never drink and drive. Ending never harm other people or other people's property. What do we do to that. Nothing. Not what do we do for the -- the same in the hole and I. And I bet I neglected in what they're adding I'm out it just let me tell you that he gave it it is just let me just finish. What we do or is one we guarantee. The alcoholic. Purity of proper tool. Right right. You know wonder if there's any rat poison which which rejected bills when you buy it you know -- -- 20 we -- -- -- -- polices to purchase it used the product and what since -- -- -- -- stories right marketplaces and green we did -- alcoholic. Treatment and demands all they gonna do was walk into witty meeting and it -- start recovery summer. Now let's look at other murder and citizens that heroin -- Analysts compare them equally this or -- accuses every day just like the alcoholic. But they never used in drives and they never hurt other people for other people's property. What do we do to that. So if we catch them we getting a felony conviction that conviction and and we people law enforcement say it this way your Dick you can recover from your addiction never recover partner conviction. That was reviewed every job we do you go to so actively worked all purity of product who knows what they're they're trying out there -- street there's no regulation. Who know what supports a place of purchase you sit in trying to crack house is that we can take your that we were just so. -- you where you can only read that women are more collaborative and shut off the treatment. In order for there would -- ask for treatment they've got to see two things one but I met her when -- and two -- a criminal. This pushes people read from the treatment the -- why is this about purses so why. To meet the but the thing that's different that we should treat these two peoples vote for. And I really really really good points I don't think you know that there's any parity between these these issues. What it will work but I can just hear people sitting in their living room saying. This is insane when you legalize heroin cocaine marijuana you basically just giving telling the kids let's go used drugs and that's fine. It's normalizing it -- I don't know that says that the chances of really living that tiger out of the trap. It is not which are which are giving me is that controlling argument -- that were sitting nemesis of the children that this is so a and let's look at Tibet apple. Tobacco used to be completely control in this society if you were smoker you could smoke all the way from only. To -- York on the you're playing the only thing separated the smoking section for the personal -- -- -- -- cigarette smoker were and don't you ask any smoker to basics and build. Now I agree things have changed we have a caller mark we like to hear your point of view. Yes thank you -- I don't quite understand the joke that goes may -- between you know from the wardrobe. And and therefore we need to legalize why can't we had treatment on demand. Have the conviction that get to race record how all those things. Without wondering why would we ever wanted to cable you would do with tobacco and now there are more drinkers and smokers and all -- combine. And don't forget. Tobacco and alcohol industry make billions of people on -- neighborhood -- Not not economically -- other neighborhoods in terms of the opportunities. There are probably ten times more places by now all get drunk. Then there aren't in in down in Newton and in the richer areas I don't. Why would not happen we legalized drugs for which would be more and that this. And and why would we wanted to -- the cigarette and how awful thing when there are so more people using those both those items and their their illegal it's. Thank me thank you mark and -- -- your point Peter what was alleged you don't in this community between -- wagering though. What was the last shootout -- community between our parole in Campbell's. That's what we're talking about the underground violence that we read about music prohibition. I didn't say that this is not an answer to the drug problem. This is an answer to the crime and violence problem and may be legalize it and get it out of the undergrowth. But we're gonna have to figure out and I guarantee you if we legalized or tomorrow or starting next January 1. And we come up with a regulatory system or all of that. But in a year from now will be changes or regulations or realize so we went to -- this week we're gonna have to bail outs of this gonna take a -- -- we're and that. But it's a much. Okay -- that's a really good point -- -- This so we have something kind of to compare to now is that. In Portugal decriminalized drugs and and and the point you can probably considered and I can. Of of decriminalizing. Was too easy to take it always does that the burden on the penal system to pick that. Criminal penalties away and what push people towards treatment. Drop crime. In other I mean it did happen I mean it did -- crime. It is legal to do judges within the borders but the same amount of people who stews and yes it didn't interest -- and they think you might even be considered a little more acceptable. But it's. Treatment is -- -- acceptable and more people are getting treatment so their rates are staying the same but the side effects. Of violence the stealing. All that's an an HIV rates are all going down significantly and I think that's kind of the part of it that's most amazing. Did you talk about Switzerland and they have these registered. Heroin programs. And in the cities where they do them they've seen the crime you know this the small crime of people. Breaking into cars and stealing. Things like that has gone down because there when users now get their daily dose from the clinic. And it's and it's you know regulated and it's the people aren't giving country I think intervene so there it. I'm sending open I have to menacing. And now I don't think it's you know I I think they're all great ideas when I can't imagine. That it would work so how we can do I don't know because I sit there like oh can you imagine. How much money if some if lake. Madison avenue can sit there and decide how much money they could make off of selling. Higher you know even if it's two people through their doctors anywhere until those things on TV -- Higher you are depressed blue dot come try -- medicine and -- -- how people who that -- Right and then and then there's the issue of not my backyard so you know you're gonna have people don't want bars people who want clubs you mentioned -- start putting. -- -- Our little neighborhood in no way in Arlington a severe anti -- happening in a -- and everybody scandalized. That. So is Atlanta for the dispensary until finally it -- And this is this is a new issue in Massachusetts because the of the referendum. And and it's going to be it's gonna come to boil the that I think following through with these things has been the hardest part. Of all this stuff and I think that's the big issue so we're gonna talk more about this when we come back you're listening to right turned radio. -- WRKO will be right back after the break. -- Welcome back I'm John told him you're my friend everything. Yeah don't we hear from me on things wouldn't that became different ethnic diversity director and radio we're having an explosive. Is that affair with a characterize this conversation. It's it's such an important issue and you know you hear. Eric went to her -- -- Eric Holder talked about it. And he's trying to come down in the middle and the middle -- really impossible place to be because boasts I mean. Both sides panel have wonderful point but. The -- -- being moved -- between. Hat you know -- moved over because what's happening isn't working. We were talking during the break of just how. Big of an issue this is in both you guys. Both of our guests have have brought that up but you know. Just the idea. Of moving towards this you know if if it ever does happen than the logistics. Wouldn't her mind boggling but that the status quo is great and. Everybody agrees it doesn't what is going out there now art and it's and it's costing us in in money and in lives. And everything else. So we we think we actually haven't caller. We'd like to go to Kevin. I Kevin I am. I really can't hear the cut it says he really co-founder projects and that means with -- The other. Way around it was Patrick Kennedy Procter and it's actually about think that'll be. Departure of the color you know we we don't think that the logical conclusion of saying that current policy that the workers and the state legalized but we also don't think it's illogical conclusion that the state to incarcerate so. You know we we wanna work -- -- -- -- -- in terms of anger you know nothing worked obviously. It depends what metrics. Remember. Regular currencies today 7% of the US population. Verses 20% for cigarettes and 55%. Alcohol -- -- a relatively well what doesn't work obviously there are and I agree with Peter on any of those arms and germs in March. What the recycled and wonderful job and I think Peter is well -- the -- -- about that it was justice. Clear the air out curable but about the international -- I'm writing the book. Called -- entity that actually can you -- on Amazon -- one of the chapters. Talk about international during the -- in here so misconstrued early by all sides of the debate and on Portugal it very clear rubble Portugal. They do not legalized by any when the -- -- well -- in -- decriminalized it's an even different and our first aid basically. If you are caught with all a matter of any drugs you -- practically. Well because the equation commission actually a -- drug court. Argue -- court's treatment we're given a fine or let go whereas in Massachusetts although he -- to joke you can get your name is speaking now and nothing happened. Whereas in Portugal -- are referred to a health intervention which I think in the very. In terms of the outcome -- that. -- what happened. It's fair -- I mean yes HIV it goes down drug related death is mix probably went down. But drug use among young people did go up if you look at past that which is the European version of our -- all agree we have here. Portugal has had a major increase in Indian -- these major mostly out of it. At a time when other countries did not see that increase in the corner out of what was the reason. And yeah I mean David -- economy's not doing well either an immediate need jobs there. Yet but I mean -- that should be less likely be able to buy up by -- audit which which you watch it but it but they have a dark content -- more than -- that -- -- yet they did -- treatment dramatically things aren't needed her to further muddle the picture my point is. Let's be very careful about how well how we -- From a coma -- a country of three million Catholics to. Wet -- regarding mr. -- what -- -- over the Netherlands are completely reversing their follow and vote count. 70% of ever wanna copy -- in fact today. It did in Netherlands and legalize marijuana -- a few big cities still allow non enforcement. From there are a lot but it closed down. Hundreds of copy shop. Other negative effect appointed there frozen comparable all of -- we needed to clear what those pro and -- are. And it's and that's you know cooler heads should prevail on this. I just a mistress didn't hearing from Peter one thing is that you know. Peter you guys are four to what you say that -- leap is saying is that you guys are against the prohibition of all drugs is that true. Well Libby -- -- view a better clarification about you workers addition we are law enforcement against prohibition. As a policy. And what we mean by that -- or probation is the prohibiting. Of consensual. Adult behavior. Which -- -- -- peace officers. Into police officers. Into -- with people meets. I saw thing I'd PBS a couple of -- you're goal in the other special out of the -- issue would America. And in 1960. According to -- Picnic table by this agreement beginning this program. It was illegal to be -- in every state but Illinois that was morality. Policing. We used to all bowl lottery illegal because we made it illegal we call that the numbers reacted that was a reality police. Well let me just OK Peter got its. We just finish what you put police into the community to protect other people from doing that are. People help you do there. Would you put people to the police officers or do would be to monitor what trucks are reporting and it was her body or conversely -- with. Or what they do with other consenting adults it is ineffective. And it causes problems in society the biggest example of that today is that. As the aero port thank UPI QK -- Marty Anderson thanks and thanks to Jody Peters. Chris. Is from the organization leap and -- Hensley is from Sam would look the thing you thank you so much for being a part. Of this conversation today you guys you know it's. Heavier feel like we just you know we we. And let her out because. The man his mental health bet might there is back no we didn't get him to meant an intimate that -- such that everybody makes a good point me every every time he makes anything we sit there and I ticket plant and equipment. You know this isn't easy but it needs to change and it is changing a little and that's I think the most important thing. I mean it did so. Just realistically what we could do. As as a society is kind of take a look at these that the laws because that's a very big issue and that's what the attorney -- during the look at. And you know in my mind education and treatment have the become. More. An end -- drugs even marijuana. Can cause lots of problems for lots of people that's right that and have to keep. You know we see it all the time people like -- to smoking but -- -- all the time every day and he's not doing anything in his life is falling apart. Seven there you know. Drugs bad. Generally. -- respond when people most people don't get entitled to half of them prone when most people tried to example something -- lives. So it's a big thing it's a big it's good there's more will be revealed on this issue. There's going to be a lot of tough talk you saw how heated things. With the marijuana issue in the legalization decriminalization. Why Laker colors -- kept saying follow the -- followed the -- that there's too many people invested in this not in this system the way it is. That this game really had to change and I don't think I never colors is in the dust that did disagree with that. Now they they were grouped them. So we got some stuff going on -- rate turned me on the -- much but it -- music. We have some music coming up -- a ban on September September 7 John -- him and his -- and -- with some treatment and music. It's American music. Of that -- and Andrews in the united these corporate. But we're playing a bunch of music some angry people some Boston rock all stars. Where that -- September 7 likeness on FaceBook. Return and we don't get the information and how to get in touch with peers. Chris and unity and -- upon them face but on the -- in these -- now. I'd love to thank our wonderful producer. -- -- I'd like to thank -- wonderful and junior. Swinging. Keep smiling and having. Like to thank you -- to thank you to be remembered be safe and ask for help.