To Castrate or Not To Castrate....
Dec 7, 2012|
A Level 1 sex offender in Massachusetts is accused of recording himself raping and sexually abusing 13 children including an 8 day old baby and now faces 100 counts of sexual abuse and, if convicted, “will never get out of jail. Howie thought he should be castrated and asked listeners what do you think should happen to him.
Transcript - will not be 100% accurate
Daily Internet poll question which is concerns this horrible horrible person. The was arrested yesterday which has been arrested he's he was -- finally invited yesterday. John -- -- 49 at Wakefield faces nearly 100 counts of sexual abuse. And that we're gonna go over this thing this guy has been doing this for this far back is Mike he's been bonuses as a child molesters -- far back as 1989. And apparently nobody's ever done anything wrong and I guess you know you can't just blame -- on the prosecutors because a lot of the appearance of the kids who was molesting. Didn't wanna take the court for. I have to interrupt you yes I'm your friend Bob Helen called and you screwed up the musty definition it's half -- and half boils to. Half Boyle it's yes I felt it important to tell you okay let's OK that's all right half boy Alston beer. OK I go to sworn Hedlund was younger than me. And yet I have never heard. Of -- -- and I've heard of before it was in the promotional materials while I drive capped -- of oil Stan but -- never. I've never actually seen it and he could I've never come across. I think after Wilson went the way and the way of Kruger. In the way of all the other. In depth and that's frank Jones. In the New Hampshire and a in hull in the New Haven. I think -- became an arrogance -- half the area accident half. Have frequent but I'll take Bob's work for Topeka. A he he's he's he's -- he's more into this stuff and I am boils the beer who have to look that up this weekend -- on non on on -- Wikipedia. All right so anyway. This guy you're gonna talk about just a moment here are buying. He was he -- his record as a child molester goes back to -- 1989. In and day yet yet he was still a hit she was still living with his wife in the house she grew up again. The album in Wakefield. And his wife was running an illegal daycare center for for infants and toddlers. And he is he is now one now charged. With. With reaping most sexually molesting. Number. And number of kids the kids. 18 child rape charges more than 100 counts of child rape charges against John Irvine. And child endangerment charges against his wife Mary in line so CNB what is the Cindy what is the poll question and one of the -- one of the results thus far should convicted sex offenders. -- cast him. Yes I think action F 57%. I'm I'm not sure the I mean what's actually gonna cut off the armament of a -- I mean he can't just. Why not you can -- they -- to -- to have a law on the books may have been thrown out but they gave you a choice you can either do -- in -- you can have be cast chemically castrate it. Chemical used char Barrett to mutilate people on the matter what they who they are locked him up forever fine execute a camera that too but she can't. He can't mutilate people. Is it is it barbaric to was two to rape -- three day old child yeah it's as barbaric as it comes. Do you do you think that that that person who does such a thing should should be given any sort of mercy community he's pretty admirable life imprison our our execution. Arabs are on the table -- you don't he would emulate them. One -- at one point you can draw lines somewhere where you driveway weighs its. You know I guess you don't like marriage Mueller's mutilation is an evolving paradigm in our society. It's now we have a federal judge has ruled that. That. Not to mutilate. -- wife murderer doing life in prison for murdering his wife not to. Not to castrate him. Is cruel and unusual punishment. Cindy -- right now Mike correctly and then the and -- I said -- a federal judge has ruled that it is in in the case of Michelle -- a convicted wife killer. It is cruel and unusual punishment not -- I think that's the most bizarre decision I've ever heard but it's it's it's on the books. And your -- lasts my point is that is that is that castration is in the -- -- You're saying you're saying it's that you're saying it's a cruel and unusual punishment I'm saying to you that we now have a that judicial ruling saying that not. Mutilating somebody is this cruel and unusual punishment. I I I mean I I don't know what this guy I don't know. How this -- how this can be allowed to go one way what is. What what is wrong with this this. This justice system that this this kind of thing can happen and it's just. I've never seen a case this bad said the DA Gerry Leone the alleged victims ranged from eight days to three years -- Eight days old. The three years old and Livingstone Medford new reading Melrose Woburn Waltham. Unlike level to level three sex offenders -- mine was not forced to have his 1989 trial sex abuse conviction. This photo or his homework -- made public. He was he in April and June of 1989 that far back that is 1989. 23 years almost point four years. He was charged with a convict combined three counts of indecent assault and battery on a child under the age of fourteen and -- Sort of -- -- they have known for. Almost a quarter century. That this guy is a petrified. And he was still walking around in his wife was running a daycare center illegally granted but the daycare center. October 1989 were -- was sent convicted after tendering a plea he was sentenced to six months and house of correction that's a jail. That means they didn't cinema the prison they sent to jail. Was ordered to have no contact with children and to be evaluated by a psychologist to determine if he had any pedophile tendencies. -- I shot somebody. I if I killed somebody would they need to have a psychiatrist. Be examined me is to what determine whether I had any tendencies towards murdering people. This guy is convicted of indecent assault and they have to have a psychiatrist. Psychologist excuse me. Determine if he had any had a file tendencies. 2005. The department of children and family opened an investigation into allegations were -- sexually abused 87. Your world sport. No criminal charges were filed. No criminal charges were filed. February 2009. DC half department of children and families opens a second probe into allegations are buying. Sexually abused a five year old boy again no criminal charges were filed. Leone said his office was unable to bring criminal charges in both of these cases 2005 and 2009 because the victims did not want to go forward. -- did some of these cases. Via the the state had. Had the right to move forward whether the victims wanted to. Go forward or not. I mean wasn't as one of those cases where we can certainly understand why they don't but why the appearance -- wanna put these little kids on the witness stand. But. Wasn't it. A great societal interest to try to get this up -- off the street. OK so few months after. After the he he is he is charged with sexually abusing a five year old boy. His his wife registers wind fall waterfall education senator LCC with the secretary of state. So she incorporates. She incorporates or daycare center she started caring for children in July 2000 patent. Date July 5. A report was filed with PC -- by an unidentified person alleging John -- buying had sexually abused a two year old girl. But caught the couple was caring for along with the girls infant siblings. Nice -- Very nice. July 27 the department of early education and here made an announced visit to the -- Biden's home where Marion admitted her husband does babysitting. -- your makes this even sector that her husband issue that's husband vote do babysit a bad. She let her husband do babysitting. This is a sidebar in The -- scorers story today about this. Appalled neighbors of the Wakefield -- accused of sexually abusing more than a dozen children said the long suspected something was awry. After they say his wife went door to door on their street in 2007. Telling them. Quote don't let my house and ever babysit your jets. Don't ever let -- don't let my husband ever babysit your kids the -- she told neighbors. She said I can't really tell you he's not good with kids let's leave it at that. Neighbor Bryan Evans told The Herald yesterday. Adding that he and his family baffled by the visit -- often see John Irvine and his wife Mary and walking children through their neighborhood and at a nearby park but never knew they ran and now shuttered child care business before his September arrest on abuse charges. Well man. So -- how could -- how could the wife. Let him. Babysit the kids if she made sure that he he would that the neighbors knew that he was not to be allowed to babysit. The kids. August the state shuts down the unlicensed child care business September 28 were minor arrest on child rape charges. And then yesterday the district attorney announced indictments on more than 100 counts of child it's to sex charges against John Irvine. In child endangerment charges against Mary in mind he's I mean this guy is gone now but I mean what I was equal on. If not in 1989 which is you know. Which would think that would have been the end of it right there. Why wasn't gonna 2005 I mean how many chances that yet he he got he was arrest he was arrested -- investigated in 19892005. 2007. Should be 20052009. And then 2000 while Sony was given multiple chances and Ali was was a level one sex offender which means that's nothing. That's not -- 18774694322187746943. -- And sandy white she feels chemical castration is mutilation it is a physically painless procedure. So what's wrong with chemical castration certainly is irreversible. Quality of it is chemical you just uptake in the chemical abnormality probably now. But it's called castration I don't prominent -- that's that's physically irreversible you're doing to some I'd prefer to physically -- irreversible castration myself I'm not even sure they work I think it's something I think it's the -- is in your head. It is the you know but it in you can you'll try to hurt the kid another I. That's my heroes and inviting people I'm looking I think life from prison as perfectly valid in situations like this -- And some cases I think Aetna XQ -- is should not be taken off the board either. I would know I would never take XQ -- the board of -- plottage excuse should as a suitable crime for a for some forms of rape. 187 -- statutory rape obviously but missed some kind to operate. 1877469432218774694322. The ball says he has one more strike to -- it's -- -- strike program. But white she get part time to she's like the victims I heard the -- you -- drive -- home last month -- listen to the all news station and then I heard the warriors say. What's important to remember the wife is not accused of any not abusing any of the kids. She was -- -- yeah but yeah I mean she's got she set up the daycare center -- she's let the I mean how annual even have a kid IE in the house. If -- if you have this monster also living in the house it's it's it's insane. She should do some serious crime like that if she's found guilty -- your next what power cargo ahead -- I am if you think that was 98. He was convicted yes. What I could get out exactly when did all. Kamal you know when you -- prosecuting -- -- -- all that was while. Prius and other priest didn't a couple of the archdiocese skinned a lot of really kind of Bob I mean there were they there there were robbed. Yet you don't little bits and pieces coming out here in the air in the twentieth century but it really didn't it really didn't catch fire to about 2000 true. Okay because I was -- that was the case that would have been -- real hard as surprising to stop the act like that but -- and I called it the castration you. Tuesday you know punishment are not affected if it's big. I you -- I don't know Jeff why I'm told that you know that they they have done the I think the problem with chemical castration is that you you know they tell you that you you don't like methadone you have to go and you get you get the you have to take the treatment you have to take it and eventually these people a lot. Either say hey am -- gonna take this anymore I don't need to take it and then a and then they score back to what what they have been doing in the past just like just like a methadone addict goes. That was new. The you know this country about that -- you know what that would be you brought the -- -- but it. And is irreversible. I know I I know. A -- that almost think about those altar boys -- -- screwed up but by the by those archdiocese -- -- You know I I don't some of them got big money and but it but it wasn't it's nothing's worked that worked that kind of abuse I mean those those kids most of them were rock. All screwed up they were were the the date they were alcoholics they were drug addicts they got they got into one and help the that sexual relationships. They they committed suicide. Mean the very few of them came through was unscathed. It you know ironic they of course is that a lot of the priest that it or a lot of the priest the divot -- had themselves been molested as yet it's. -- know you these people justice. What -- CNN open on the court it was under. You know if we -- -- I don't play with the Georgia 18774694322. Do you know why he was a level one because of indecent exposure to children under fourteen that doesn't sound like anything to me even though taking a leak in the woods behind the bar will also get you registered as a level one. I think that's what people a lot of time to get arrested for a taken only behind -- bar in the woods fight it because they don't wanna be -- is achievable level one sex offender. But he you know he was he wasn't charged with take -- behind the bar he was charged with indecent assault and battery on a child under age fourteen. Ernie your next what how he cargo ahead Ernie. I'm always yes America bear yeah you're on the air oh my circle of corporate. Lucky you went to water down. What's it like. -- creepy. I think if -- speaking of Watertown and be bad enough to live next to Jamar resilient he's -- -- -- Well -- leaders spoke. Oh yeah. Those -- you -- that's it that's senator do you you know today oh mister chairman okay now it is actually harmless. Oh yeah he's really harmless -- Yeah. I would leave my dog outside with a section three thanks for the call or any 1877. Force. -- actually untrue indecent exposure no longer counts. I think DC yeah you know what I think it may have changed that because there were I think there were a lot of -- didn't -- -- and it's coming back -- -- now -- a bit. Oh a lot of people were complaining and saying that yeah you know that -- -- they were on the list and it was just it was just something like that you know having too many Beers and nowhere to go and other than their on the -- -- it I think they did I think they did scratched. 187746. Mind this being a pedophile get you one SSI. I'm gonna say yes 603 I am going IA I am I'm willing to while making a bath on that. It's a cycle like those like those anecdotes I wrote about today and talked about earlier in the week. They arrived they and I would say pedophilia is definitely a psychological problem. Peter your next with how we cargo ahead Peter. Alienate you and I think I hate to even up the call about these could be the way called have been evolving paradigm I I love that and the only way you know the rebels spent about the last 42 years or so. I'm using the the judicial system to prefer this country and the only way that we can try to take it back in using the same rope to the coordination with it to get that in a way you know you talk of. Double we have controllable you -- we have to win elections to control the legislature. To pass laws and to get to elect a governor who's going to a point. Conservative judges I mean that it starts with elections. It does start -- collection and and you know we we have so slow last election but that was. With something to play these liberal ideas all the way to the end that -- stand up. I work for the city of what they would want to you know certain cities you're not to have any the diversity of obviously. However. You're at out of jail she's. Comment that was vote -- sexist comment I called it -- -- -- wouldn't stop me. And the EL I should be able -- -- certain that it looked bigger guy. They see simple -- get. And they say we. That characteristic of the free unit. -- outdated social norms and your gender stereotypes to be able to make them all night to that I direct. Or -- and -- it. Then on top and it's an app that. Crumble at some point I think we're reaching the tipping point where enough is enough it's just too much and a I don't know yet. Peter Peter -- but what leads you to believe that they in not at that we're reaching the tipping point I mean win win a judge. Think it we come back to this -- to the that this killer this wife killer. When a judge appointed by Ronald Reagan says it's cruel and unusual punishment not to castrate somebody. I mean. How are we making progress when that when that is on the when that law is now whether when that decision has now been promulgate and what -- served as a precedent. I have to even though liberals are not common sense people. It's actually something like the telcos were being asked to reach a point where. We we can't tolerate this step in were -- we can't tolerate so much stuff because they did you sort of article. There's no there's you know there's 1011. Guys lined up this beast behind Michelle as you know they're gonna take over -- framing. They -- the guys are going to be these are all going to be put the women's prison in the going to be running that running in the women's prison has faced this old. -- their eyes without Johnson's stats ball. I mean. Let's I know I wished I wish I thought that there was you know that there that -- near the adults don't see a bottom is -- mean. The bottom is win we run out of money. And that know these people can be supported anymore and and and then. And I don't know what happens at that point use you know if there's if the food's not giving into the cities what happens. People will start going out. The cities to get food and then you know I don't know why I don't I don't wanna become it's it's Friday afternoon it's Christmas market people. You know outside at 1877469. Were 322 we are nowhere near the tipping point says wait. I tend to think it's got worse. -- -- 1877. 46943. 221877. 4694322. To a seventh says any reasonably intelligent person knows what's coming it's why my retirement saving 2% quotes. Now consist of -- -- normal food. 775 running out of money coming soon to a theater near you what's going to be one hell of a show lap and allowed 6:0 victory how am ready for the bottom soon I hope. The sooner we get the bottom sooner we recovered. This is this is this this is really bad though that it's it's. It's this. This. Are out of control me again think back to war. -- -- program was 71 years ago you know via the word was getting out on the radio at you know pearl -- been bombed we were war. Japanese. Planes and fleets were moving across the Pacific. In the in the direction of US outpost. And -- and yet you know beat the country where it's. Was determined that the mobilized and as one. And now what do you mean. You and I'm sure they are you going a step forward and you know that say this guy had a tough life and you you know the way it works. It's. And so it didn't people are pointing out you know look at look at what happened what the archdiocese you know. -- law women live in the king's life in rural prince's life in Rome prints of the church. Not not not indicted not in prison. The key at the very least turned another cheek turn turn a blind guy. To what the what was happening with Alia the rapes. The -- going on all the abuse and then he was never punished wasn't. Course that Kennedy was never punished either. Jerry your next what how we cargo ahead Jerry. High powered high. What do you say that there are your children. -- basically -- most prized possession. Yes. All right I wouldn't say that I possession I think is the wrong word does my -- right now aren't you know whatever I know what you mean yeah okay. I did I hear you say that one of these. I wouldn't say children infants was three days old. I said three days -- -- eight days old actually it's all right got. That's what I heard from many competently only eight days old thing I want to know. Born somewhere other of these eight day old and nine days old baby's. Dead after they have -- home. I'll bring -- to these places. To be watched. And I noticed I I I think that's that's a pretty good question Jerry you know I mean yeah you know. I know that people -- every every single yeah. Well you want to say what what about the fact that they they could just be and from a different area right I mean maybe they moved up here maybe the mother is not available to what to watch out for. But it shouldn't -- yeah. Well I quite. It's good but it's you know you talk about them children being your prize possession it's natural for human being to wanna have children is it not. Yes it's like the old saying if you can't. Well. Well. It I agree eight days is much too young to have the kid in daycare center but -- you know I I don't want to I don't watch it. You know if you if you want to be the people who who walk. Who took their kids to this daycare center this sort illegal they care center I'm gonna guess -- these were not -- your welfare moms you know look at the you know get get a section eight apartment get out of -- house at age seventeen I mean these these are all people from the suburbs. You know. Hat I don't care where they're from -- I'm sorry I don't I just I just think that's very irresponsible. Yeah yeah out by NS I understand it's yeah you know it's. -- -- I just -- mighty my trainer just went back just came back to work she was gone for nine weeks you start -- was gone for nine weeks our -- Now her mother was watching the kid when when -- what bush was with me on on Tuesday. And I I don't know why I don't know what she's gonna do people keep it you need to income stood to survive though I mean most people though. Most couples -- and so the the the that the white stays out as long as she can and then there's of the mayor you know you begin that. Suffer or suffer pipe being finances and he the other mother goes back to work you put him in the daycare center and you try to do the best you can and obviously these these -- I'm sure these. Parents of these children are wracked with guilt. Here's corporate 774. I'm a police officer and of investigated hundreds of sexual assault allegations many of the child was sexual assault investigate many of this trial sexual assault investigations. It's been my experience the most assault charges -- plea bargained down or can't be prosecuted. Due to the Vick due in part to the victims limitations sad as it is there's a reason these creeps. Many of the victims are unwilling or unable to fully participate in the judicial process it's a sad state of affairs but successful prosecutions are almost impossible in most cases. Talk about job burnout. As a shrink this is 978 as a shrink I won't tell you. Here too many psychiatrists call themselves shrink -- -- -- were these text and Saban Saban you know sit saving spaces. As a shrink I will tell you chemical castration won't work it is psychological frontal lobotomy probably only care. About death penalty. That's another here by the end your next with how we cargo ahead Diane. Hi Ali. I -- And then did you know -- so a lot -- is figuring -- castration. And rightfully. I mean these guys -- they don't. -- you know. The China parchment is I mean we we apartment yet punishment as far as the guitar in a -- -- -- He's gonna get arrested and captivated because the election child -- -- I mean this guy you know this guy was a teacher at at a community college from a -- -- -- let's say and you know he was like you know one -- a world class squalor anything like this but -- they had a good education he wasn't just some street but I mean obviously. -- mean he's a monster but obviously he has a knee he has some intelligence. You know you're right I mean I don't think he can help themselves. But that doesn't make it any better for the victims -- I don't care he can help himself for not I don't care fees you know got a got a master's degree that doesn't matter. He's gotta -- he's got to be punished. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Now he obviously yes thanks for the call. 187746943221877469432. To leave your next with how we cargo Hadley. Tally at a point make two quick points first about the wife. People women I don't understand it how great she served up is beckoned to him on a play. And you know just like gay people white -- you not about thirty bodies in your crawl space out. -- didn't have a white but the idea IC you know like I guess there could be a -- -- gacy type that had a wife about it well how about beyond. How about the the -- the bishops that sent these guys aren't from one place to another the -- it's the same thing right. Yeah and -- -- how we I -- maybe not much better but doesn't come implement state who just killed thirty people that compound things center. With our current red flag that was China and that -- there was so many red flag. We're still love to do business I mean the people that also the crackberry just seems like it's -- more than others say. -- -- -- Albert out about the what the woman and a did the crime lab Annie Duke and falsifying the the falsifying the evidence. How liberal from the northeast and moved to the left coast. -- They're every it's too late for that solution -- it's it's that there are everywhere now they're even in the south there even in the states of the old confederacy where you know used to have you know while. Fairly. The only strict. And a swift justice. In very big these atrocities occur in every state in the union now. -- -- -- -- His gacy was married and know that I I don't know who was married to time this went on but I mean he was married at least want to engage the second time. 1877469432218774694322. Kress you're next with how we cargo ahead Chris. Now -- -- -- it's in there we go again you know its system other event out here that says we get the most heinous guy that's done anything. In all its tire and as a victim who listen to this everytime. I close. But the part that I don't wanna open I don't -- -- -- him I don't know what people would go to the treatment of the guys that have been abused. Well the treatment -- Whereas the money so now we're at a point for castration and inflict some bad at motive as well. Let's take that money that we have been a pop up and saying why it would have been abused. It yet do like anymore now. Probably most of wanna live on a farm in Maine they Chris I mean -- I wanna just they wanna. -- lived and lived in society. We do that's like being in prison why you said that a victim to basically what amounts to a prison. All right we move on to other topics. And how we are.