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18774694322. That looks like a fake grenade Whiting had that they were just showing a picture of who think -- -- that the cause they found in his apartments and Monica. All right. Joining us now -- like Casey Sherman and he's going to be with me and CN the end in the Moret from the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum on Friday night. We're to be at the Cape Cod resort in Hyannis doing her master's of suspension we've done that the show before. And will be talking about about Whitey ball to the Boston strangler and that Gardner museum heist. Tickets are thirty dollars per person -- you can call line get to get tickets at 88829722888297. 22 under and that thanks for being with us here Casey not entrapment back now so you're gonna be a year I guess your your Boston strangler book is is is out of print right now. I added a sorry about that you know these things happen but you know I didn't in in a digital universe a lot of these publishers aren't going back and read. Publishing some of these old older books everything is available on -- Kendall except for a so law you know writers like us we just have to get used to that new realities. Right no they they actually give them the publishers of the Brothers Bulger just called me and said that I can you give us say Kendall epilogue for the Brothers Bulger may have -- -- we are gonna print that -- -- gonna put up a new addition they should know. Although all the sales -- Kendall anyways that's right now and they're saving trees. Yes I guess they are -- but I think it's it was worth it because they I did notice that they sold the so they saw a lot more Campbell's from the use them. You know I was on vacation on -- last week in poolside so you know I saw maybe two books and one of them was when I was holding everybody Yeltsin. Candles and notes eccentric. Yeah so wise so what are we gonna what are the what are we gonna do will we're just gonna spin -- our usual stories out of this is. Little interesting you know I mean you're -- -- bringing in Anthony Mori took the show for the first time he is the world's preeminent expert in the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. Hi -- he's actually the current -- current. Deck and director of security for the Gardner museum and he's got the five million dollar reward. For the painting so he knows more about this case than anybody in the world. We're gonna be sharing photographs in different slides that. Nobody in the public has seen before from all of our cases really. Yeah yeah we do what we do what we've set that up for many up for one of the shows last vote last fall so we have all -- everything ready to go we have lots of up. And though there's always -- -- -- Whitey Bulger material coming out does as you know and now we now we yeah find out that that he had a he had he was are making the moves on on the part young property manager at BU grad while he was living in Santa Monica yes nice nice young fellow we bottom beard Trimmer. He said he wasn't keeping his beard properly trimmed and bottom and Elvis Presley coffee. Table book which is something inherent every 45 year old guy should accept the heterosexual wants or wants or wants an Elvis Presley and Ricky Martin coffee table books were sold out at the time. And that of course you bottoms and waits. I don't know of the nicest guy Josh blog said the -- if you miss is Haskell were such nice people would look like he was put in the makes me. Jihad she was putting the make side are you -- was. Hello to tackle the weapons that's going to be a great show you know we're sold out the Cape -- -- last year a lot of folks wanted to couldn't get tickets because. There are already -- sold -- so here's a great opportunity. To do it you know we just came on the fiftieth anniversary of the Boston strangler case and it's amazing. How much that cases still resonates in the public's mind. You know half century later they got so much coverage over the past few weeks during the anniversary and you see in all these old gray -- like F. Lee Bailey. You know popping out of their premature graves and touting Albert to sell -- guilt and trying to. Recover their own reputations but you know the reality is a lot stranger than fiction. Well is is that you talked to the golf -- I mean he's still alive he is still alive is a prime suspect and I -- Mary Sullivan's murder in 1964. And it's funny I've never named him publicly for legal reasons -- wanted to -- Couldn't do it but everybody in as little town up in this northern New England area they know. -- years they know what he did. It's almost like -- film off the stranger -- Orson Welles and you know he's in this little idyllic town got a secret that everybody finds out about sooner or later. Yeah solar so he's still he's still around and and did he seek peace if you talk to have you talked partnership. While I have talked to several times -- I don't -- -- now when you when you bought a golf lesson for Obama I -- the sense that. No I haven't talked him personally but I keep tabs on him as I said unfortunately people in the community of contacted me. And you know keeping abreast of his whereabouts but the great thing is is that you know a lot of these killers in the Boston strangler case is still alive is still can be brought. To justice he's just one of them. But we found as many as four to six men still living on the streets who committed these murders back in the early 1960s. This will do when -- want to sell though didn't do any of them and I'm not trying to -- him from any responsibility it was a sexual predator it was a con -- he was -- He confessed to these crimes to make money from them he didn't do them he it was a capable of it probably. But he was with the most bungling court you can ever imagine and couldn't of gotten away with that if you didn't. That he was that he was later on murdered by. By Jimmy the bear -- that's -- the bear -- you can if you haven't got I've got the magnets of -- the -- for my newest magnet they'll be giving them away for free. On on Friday night at at the cape Cotter it is the that's it together -- -- in the -- way I it's -- sought minimally Sweeney's Barca. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It puts it looks like a -- Pigs actually he's about three months he -- you know you I just saw a picture Phil Spector. You know and in prison Andy Phil Specter's got the same kind of bug eyes so. I thought that a wise move for someone to take that take Phil -- in the death -- -- afternoon you know has to be the barrel last three months after that picture -- statement. 1877469432. To get requests are we lost frank measures or Franca -- he was -- hanging on the line. If you would you have any questions about. The Boston strangler or about the or about Whitey Bulger or -- about that we can answer but the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum but again. By Anthony is going to be there are Anthony Moore he's the director of security and he's got a he's got a good book out about. About all these famous Rembrandts have been stolen Rembrandt. Of course made he he did a lot of painting so he -- more likely to be stolen. Fresh in his city having done so many paintings that are the -- running wide variety of museums and believe it or not there's there's the security of some of these museums is still pretty surgery once until recent years. This great that -- some great stories in his book about you know I I loved the story about the -- Stockholm Sweden they broke into a museum. And was on -- now something and he they just ran down on the steps to the canal and the job that boat and they're made their escape and a boat. Do exactly. You know it's funny there's another practice that he wrote about the Worcester Art Museum heist where they took the stolen aren't they put on the roof of the car and drove down a highway where that I mean these are. This is -- Thomas crown affair here because -- Right and one of the guys have been involved Myles Connor he was he was I guess his own is on whose legend in his own mind. Around here and he actually did commit some rather you know we shot Jack -- from the late lieutenant colonel in the state police in a rooftop chase -- Beacon Hill. But I just did you see he was just arrested -- -- -- yes he is my my how the mighty have fallen -- he -- -- he -- cell phone from somebody and vehicle up and you have got a woman got caught and give another woman go to Baylor out in the coaches say. This miles is not like operating on beautiful cylinders anymore so let's just go and see if miles is in the car miles was waiting in the car while -- girlfriend the B bail out miles -- like Otis from the Andy Griffith Show. They opened the door and you go miles who won 8774694322. Flank your next with how we cargo ahead for a frank. I don't -- Question -- vehicles that would down and writes -- out what the statute of limitations right now. I think it has run out on that that frankly the -- but he says that the you know there's no there were they they were they just want those paintings back no questions asked. No prosecution they'll just right they'll have Buick chat within days if by if you could return the paintings to them. Right there's a full immunity for anybody that returns those standings that was granted by the late Ted Kennedy you're a good -- Leo yeah. Such patient out there. -- Well that that's correct there's -- there's going to be no repercussions either way you know it's Anthony's. Understanding our belief or theory that you know whoever has the standings debt doesn't know -- have them the. That day yet that they the and -- you know that if if they if if they wanna give back there's no there's no repercussions I guess they I guess the thing is that would -- Some put some thought is that the you know what someone has of you who's in prison. But you know the thing is if you were in prison that the people are usually named have been imprisoned for. Ten to fifteen years you would think that if they had if they really Adam. -- cut I I don't what you are becoming a deal the first day I was in President Karzai because the deal before I went to prison in altitude was to get to get out of it so that's. Why the you know the whole white was Whitey Bulger involved with the Gardner museum -- that's why that was refuted almost immediately after. As you know capture. Right -- -- was also too much war I could always I mean why he was too lazy to get the police uniforms you know let -- -- count -- the place and in the end I rope to tie up the guards all that -- -- -- why he's the kind of why would say I you know use the oldest -- I want the most valuable one that's that would -- why -- wedding was a tax collector for the and I feel like Lauren thanks for the call frank Patrick your next with how -- cardinal ahead Patrick -- I. Don't guys com I'm hoping you can either. You know come under bond and -- led Negroponte to what about my system -- bad. A movie there consummate any kind of got shot -- almost. Mart and bought. So the first question isn't it true that. White shot him because he hijacked a truck bomb I'd liquor distributor that white man -- our web. It was coming -- what I wedding and he picked up like it and -- And then. So why -- like I intended to get that trucks on the bottom and and you're gonna get any card or an arm you know and that's colored door just about -- and go to court and you're sort coconut and and a look at school said knows they're -- a local church now. I know I don't think they were burned at church down Patrick I'm pretty sure that didn't happen but what my understanding of by Eddie Connors was. And any caught -- they -- there was a -- spike go tool that back in the -- seventy she was like well it was -- off won you won the last of them off one -- and so when he got out of prison in the seven DC was soon he was sitting in the book in the bar at the Bulldog bar on seven hell out. And he was talking about he was gonna get the winner -- -- so and so while. Soul based they came to war so the the the winner -- guys came to -- Eddie Connors and said to him. He will you while we let us know the next time he's in their drinking. And -- so they so why Eddie Connors call them up and they came over India and the you know. Spike was just drunk out of his mind on some Saturday night and that they they they opened fire with machine guns they hit a -- behind the academy through radio through mail. X you know metal mailbox and they kill them. And I guess so there was a guy there was a guy crossing the street and the crosswalk at any almost came into the car. And -- he was the driver supposedly white set Whiting says that's when they got back to winner -- so that's the last time -- -- go -- -- -- job without -- wanted to shoot the guy. But it that's and so what happened Patrick was. But antique honors as the years went this happened in 73. You know any began telling the story about how he set ups Michael tool for the winter hill gang. And these guys don't like that for obvious reasons you know you're not supposed to talk about stuff like that. So they decided that there we're gonna get them so they had one of the guys from winner -- say I wanna -- -- give me give me a phone number where I cannot meet to a pay phone. And they they that he gave this pay phone in Morrissey boulevard and that they tracked the pay phone down that was his first started well yeah plus one managed jointly -- -- that already that already done that to Indian job exact word. So early so he so. Whitey Whitey Stevie wanted to handle this -- so this was the one Johnny -- Ronald was actually the -- and so he's pulled up the car. And a -- -- Stevie Stevie came and killed by killer killed by week honors but I don't think there was an. What Eddie Connors at the time was under indictment for a for an armored car robbery so I don't I don't think they yet. I think probably they don't maybe they had some to do with the armored car robbery. So thank you thanks for the call up Patrick won 8774694322. Well you'd be talking about Joseph Barbosa you got a book coming out about -- Idea it's called animal comes out either late this year or early next year and in time for the -- trial all talk a little bit about that but it's interesting -- how these three cases really connect with each other some of the names that we use like you know. Jimmy the bear Flemmi who is. I don't very close to. Two of the animal Barbosa who kill -- Flemmi who killed Albert Desalvo and so one a lot of these cases are really tied in in the show itself people get to meet. And talk with the fabulous sandy was the mistress of ceremonies at masters of suspense it's. It's a night to sit down have a couple of cocktails let these Kate tales of true -- really wash over you in a very entertaining and informative way -- You know how are you after all these shows people come up to listen -- and we never heard this before it's really reshaped my idea of what these cases are about. Right and again it's a masters of suspense Friday night at the kick caught our resort in Hyannis. And they'll be starring the -- Casey Sherman who's with me ending at three Moret who was you'll be talking about the Gardiner museum -- tickets are thirty dollars per person and you can get them. By calling 888297228882972200. Joseph your next with how we card Casey Sherman go ahead Joseph and Joseph. Good evening now in -- yeah. Kate it. And -- got museum I -- The government has been conducting satellite Surveillance. Act and during the sixties -- one maybe identified. Satellite pictures of people you know lead in the museum -- -- that vehicle was traveling in. -- -- -- I saw -- late at night when this all went down of them obviously we certainly enough time to. Respond to via fingers 88 minutes that the thieves were in the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. Going from room to room and you know it's interesting and Anthony really get breaks this down. A very entertaining in front of an audience he talks about. You know some of the innings that the thieves stole and some of the paintings that they didn't steal and really reveals a lot about the robbers themselves because they didn't know what -- -- -- -- well you know there's been a long history of by grabbing paintings. And holding them is as so. Hostage basic miles per -- and I mean I think that's probably what happened here yeah guys didn't these guys just didn't. So either something happened to the case they were involved in or they didn't realize what they had. And that they just kind of like overshot in the got tennis concerned and they they stash the paintings -- percent. I'm waiting for somebody to buy one at a yard -- Diplomats huddle I I don't think that's gonna help I don't know I'm not a little -- is a sudden you know. Storm on the Sea of Galilee and thinks it's a recurrent mostly okay well I got that in my office Leo well to reproduction picked up a -- up. Okay thanks for being with us Casey and again I you can see us all up me NC Andy and Casey and valiantly -- at the masters of suspense on Friday July 13 at -- lot of resort in Hyannis the number to call for tickets is 8882972200. Tickets are thirty dollars per person -- hope to see there that top OK thank you Casey I'm not we are.