Bruce Freidrich On Protecting The Pigs And Other Critters

CD because it was so familiar with I guess. He is frank in nemesis of our friend how -- car I let you -- Proves to all of us. Okay this is our friend Bruce for taking army formally from -- now he's I think what is that Bruce farm sanctuary. Yet the group is called -- sanctuary at national farm animal protection organization. And Bruce is our friend usually -- Let's listen on a lot of cutting edge stuff that's gone wrong and is that current bill on the Massachusetts legislature and now. That's right I've heard Chris I've heard you have a go at it many times every day of Amber's. It is Los Angeles it's you know -- I'm glad you could join us about this legislation now -- I admit TO. I am absolutely positively -- with the crime bill right now that's and intent to do I'm paying attention to EDT reform. And immigration initiatives sorry I missed this piece of legislation so and you -- solid -- what exactly trying to -- Yeah they're legislation called the Massachusetts. Prevention a farm animal cruelty act and it's pretty simple nine states have already done something very. Similar and it says that pregnant -- And be okay. Should be able to turn around that so it says since when California. Entertained similar legislation that passed by the highest. Percentage in California ballot initiative history. The conservatives -- for it these liberals -- for it it's common sense legislation that basically says animals should not be tortured. Or human food. Okay so by torture yes saying that there ended in one crate and they can't -- and all that other donors having. Relations all day. Well they're they're -- in their own excrement for their entire lives they can't turn around they can't lie down comfortably. -- not imagine not being able to move basically for your entire life. Biologically. Physiologically psychologically. Is derived these animals insane pigs are smarter than dogs or cats they can't do anything but. And they're in their -- waste their entire lives and of course ideologically just like human beings if you don't move. Your muscles and bones waste away. By the time these eggs or these cats are shipped to slaughter. There bodies are absolutely destroyed. It's hideous Coral -- it's illegal in most of the civilized world except North America. And Massachusetts had the opportunity to do the right thing and pass this legislation. Which nine states already have. There's -- said there's something similar forehand and that the national level that would get them out of the barren battery cages and Scott Brown is one of the co sponsors its these sorts of initiatives have bipartisan support because they're they're really just be humane thing to do. And so some of the major corporations. That you start to McDonald's Burger King Wendy's Denny's Cracker Barrel. They have. Said they're eliminating. -- -- Humane Society of the United States. It's really taking the lead on that so so all of that humane community nationally and internationally it's behind it. And the Humane Society of the United States has worked with Smithfield Foods. What hormel corporation of course makers of spam. I'm -- they have gotten pledges to phase out battery agents from McDonald's Wendy's is sort of -- the big produce said the big buyers basically that you know after Silva stepped to the public. They know that they cannot -- just decide to anybody. These idiots conditions for animals and consequently industries are coming along fast food bank of them are coming along. And so really what this legislation does is -- -- Massachusetts. Should not trail. McDonald's in Smithfield Foods on animal welfare issues. Okay so how steamed is getting at this stage house does because you get me I mean and believe me I don't wanna see any animal torture. You know my my what my fondest childhood memories. Is going to Clark's trading post opening interview have been up there Bruce what they have did dancing bears and now -- -- -- while -- is that they as a parent I never noticed did -- to Clark's trading post up -- Hampshire I'm not. Okay. 877469. Point 32 Q I know somebody out there has memories of Clark's trading post and it forever. That's a little kid it seemed like those fares are having a blast. I gave it seemed as if it would have been fun it would dress up a little costumes but going back there recently as an adult. My fiance and I stood there and stared at this poor there. It was stuck in this tiny little platform that was barely big enough -- couldn't move around and this is so I can see why this would Tug at the heart strings. About lawmakers Burris. Yeah and and it it may not be the thing that's burst on people's legislative priorities in the Statehouse at the moment but but there are. Quite a few people who would like to get past right now. It's in the joint commission committee on the judiciary. And they've been focused on one piece of legislation for like eight months so I think there's a bottleneck of something like 500 literally. On the order 500 bills and we are told by the co chairs and other people on the committee. Who she -- of this I am dying to know what lawmakers at the side. On the well being the co chairs of the committee are Sheen of clarity. And that's how. Are you kidding me geno clarity is wary of more all pigs in the Isabel people. Well I wouldn't say he's more now he's he's not one of the co sponsors of the legislation but it's something that his staff to help us. He hasn't just been getting out and and listen and about. He clarity no it isn't passed up a -- and crime bill that would be and I travesty that proves it added that. This has -- about competition between animals and human beings people can do boat and they can focus on both. And this is about some basic decency for farm animals. It would be very very easy for it to about the path that a -- Judiciary Committee and -- it does -- -- -- -- think I always have we will not let. Thank you Bruce Todd let's go to tide you -- On -- and Bruce. I'm not the stretching they're generally. -- steadily like guns and religion and I don't generally we were not anything. But I agree with somebody yes there is no reason why. Animals that are better -- for food source -- to be out to be abused and tortured I'd be willing to pay a little bit more money. At the market. Well taught I don't think anybody want to see the animals tortured I agree with Leo issues -- its priorities sometimes I think they get a little frustrating. And McConnell while I mean this is a no brainer it's just -- Right away I want to get want to get out of the joint committee on the judiciary and want to get to the apple corps we are optimistic that -- -- -- We do need people to call their senators and representatives and ask them to put some pressure on that joint committee on the judiciary to get it out and get it to the floor. So that we can get a pass to. -- did you wanna be and it's infuriating -- and things about the state house -- this has no business being in the judiciary this is a common sense FISA legislation nobody wants to see animals tortured. And and how they justify this sort of treatment in the first place. -- well it started it. Well that it's it became economically viable once they learned that they could give animals drugs that would keep them alive their conditions that would otherwise kill them. And so these gestation crates the -- would all -- I'm being cooped in their own excrement it's just that these factory. Except that about 80% of all antibiotics in the country according to consumer reports 80% of them are dead animals. To treat sick animals but to keep the animal alive and conditions that would otherwise kill them. So we're encrypt and take into gestation crates for some decades now it's illegal. And most of Europe most of the rest of the developed world and we're around we're working with the they're humane organizations to see that happen in the United States as well in Massachusetts. They look at that want to get that of the judiciary into the Folsom -- They'll pass it but it's it's bottled up and committee right now. Body next. -- Not often in. -- -- -- About what to try to -- -- argue -- a bill like this. Who like government that you know we -- -- BI agent or Arab people. Well I'm in the state agricultural department would enforce it if there were complaints that. The minutes say it's sort of like most other laws where violations happen on private property they would have to be some sort of complaint there aren't going to be. You know real thing. I'm agricultural inspectors going to all of the arms to see what's happening just like there's nobody knocking on doors checking to get spousal abuse is happening. Somebody complains and then there will be citations and that would be. The thing sort of enforcement here but we haven't found that there were problems so in other states that and with other corporations that it made commitments. Once the law -- passed. Beet farmers are law abiding citizens they're not gonna and a couple of. -- Erica -- what you're trying to make a lot that unenforceable or your local. And that's the I think you bring -- an important issue Bob any -- I don't think there's anyone out there is gonna argue that any animals should be tortured until they bones quite literally melt. And they can't rule in their living in their -- actually nobody wants to see that as -- anyone militia cruel and inhuman. -- did the idea we have Dave resort to legislation other not to Europe preps. Working as an added cultural division of our federal government to make sure that. He animals on abuse in this way why we -- creed at Massachusetts statewide how many farms are here with pigs in the first place. Selling meat to McDonald's in Massachusetts. What they're there are no federal -- does that protect farm animals at all being animal welfare act exempts. Farm animals so anything goes with the ten billion animal source slaughtered for food every year in this country. And that's why we have to go about it and a state by state manner but -- not going to increase the budget in Massachusetts or anywhere else at all it's not going to. Increase in -- or routes will all need farms are here that can actually be. Regulated in this way in Massachusetts Tommy farms to we have that -- pigs. In gestation cages that -- selling meat to McDonald's Burger King Wendy's and the rest of these conglomerates. Well if they were selling meat to McDonald's or Wendy's or any of the conglomerates they would probably be covered buying those passes that -- commitment to get rid of gestation crates. But I mean if it's not a lot although there's certain. How many -- how many of these farms in Massachusetts. Would really fall under this law. Residential its proprietary information and so. -- -- -- wanted to -- and it could be here Hollywood talking about this at the Statehouse in the number could be zero in Massachusetts. Well it could be zero but as as other I'd like little island just banned it in the New Jersey senate just 35 to one -- pledged. What -- we had to get tired in the Judiciary Committee although amber is because I agree with you win around with farm sanctuary Bruce Friedrich. I applaud what -- doing here Bruce but what it colossal waste of time and energy for the taxpayers of Massachusetts to be discussing legislation that doesn't applied in a single farm in the states. -- -- as as gestation crates are forced out of other states do we want them to come into Massachusetts and this place. So this Justine are aids testing -- we get a gestation crate somewhere in the commonwealth is -- -- -- legislation. Well we have millions of -- in gestation crates in the United States right now and that they're forced out of other states that could easily come in the Massachusetts. It's a very simple bill it's less than one page long it will take almost no time. And it's -- the statement. That's how I did this now and down. -- -- -- harm animals in -- I don't think anybody wants to condone hideous cruelty to farm animals how long has this been Roman on the Statehouse this legislation. It was proposed earlier this year and there has been very little action on and so far. It would take you know ten minutes for the judiciary committee to put send it to the full assembly if they decide to do that. It would take a boat and the assembly and it would become law it's simple legislation. That puts Massachusetts stamp of disapproval. On know what is hideous cruelty to animals and pigs are no less and no less intelligent or important and doctor Katz if this were -- Certainly no doubt in order and then how lawmakers -- we'll give you that. All this is crazy -- heavy. With Bruce Friedrich from farm sanctuary and Michelle -- and -- are already have bought. I thought we use this reasoning debt reached an all Tokyo bought it and what's out there. We clinic picket pocket picked and that can bite and great Vermont the dog go to pay. I mean I I agree with you that they should ban. Shelters that turn -- to wait for lack of space or shelters that we're happy animals for years at a time. I think that the did that the different issue from now. In this case were talking about a production practice -- pegged where the animals are being raised for the prophet of the arms and where millions of animals. Are forced to live and there are an acceptable. -- I didn't even turn around. Bruce is they're only one pig farm that I know of an anti statement talks very Massachusetts are there any more than that. Well there's certainly more than one pig -- I think most of them do not currently use gestation crates. So I did not a single. Farm in Massachusetts so it's be subjected to this law that would trying to pass there. Bet the farm bureau has not confirmed that there are -- there are not it's tough to know for sure but this would protect. Farmers -- right now they're not using gestation crates. And it would stop gestation -- Armstrong coming into Massachusetts. And if there are some of their might be it's not something that they after reports that we don't know for sure. But it would eliminate it and it's in absolute line -- that values that Massachusetts voters whether they're conservative or liberal Republican Democrat libertarian. And this has almost unanimous support among the American. How did not -- under is a -- he'll pat you don't want to see anybody suffer and die in such a horrific way but it just seems. It seems somewhat ludicrous forgive me to be discussing legislation that applies to absolutely nobody in state. What you wanna wait until it and and it makes a tremendous sense do you wanna wait until gestation crate -- opened up and then you have to close them down a passing the legislation. It's that you know if if it were going to require vast resources to pass the legislation or an extra dime to Massachusetts taxpayers and maybe. I could -- where you're coming from but it's common sense legislation -- in alignment with the values the Massachusetts voters it will cost Massachusetts voters nothing. And it will saying to these factories farmers know you're not welcome here. Cerberus what do please -- in some EBT card legislation -- you bill. TTP get quick that's an EPT reform and we just stuck it to -- bill it would it would definitely pass. -- didn't really against it I mean don't be against it dissing it. It's I think common sense I -- however because of a little bit more common sense that we actually had farms that engaging in this kind cruelty which we -- Well I think it might make even more sense to do it before the farms opened up rather than apple. Apple are already there -- that question what do you think Brian you're on with -- from farm sanctuary in Michelle in. Ambrose you know you probably wouldn't mind that they -- out this great shot and could -- -- anything right. I don't need animal products that struck -- that's allocates southern and I go to a lot of and all that being tortured you know that they don't expect to integrate ideal. Well I'm gonna say it. The same thing when you're attempting to apply that sort of analysis to other human beings there are stressed Specter practice actors that can be measured and they are measured. And they're scientists to look at these issues that behavioral scientist with farm animals. As well as industry scientists who are focused on animal body scores and physiology. And that there is unanimity across the scientific community in both the -- these gestation crates are horrible for the animals psychologically. And that they're horrible for the animals physiologically. And that's why Republican or Democrat. I'm across the board. All of the people who care about -- issues are stand opposed to these sorts of systems. Brian pigs to people to present our next. All right -- Burris. I. Bruce Marshall Bruce from muscle parliament. Regarding the intelligence of big and the comment was made about. Eggs being. There's intelligent or more intelligent -- dark and parents. This is an excellent example. By the way I'm not a vegetarian. But after reading this news article which is still available on line it was a -- to a three years ago it happened. I stopped eating bacon and sausage. Here's what happened. An elderly woman had a topic that will weather. And -- had a swinging door on the bottom of the kitchen door so it can go in and out it will. Well she fell in the kitchen and broke her hip. And she was unable to return phone. The pig according to the article ran out with just one swinging door went outside looked around. Couldn't find anyone who ran back in to check -- and did that several times until they finally. -- someone's attention and brought them back into the connections so Vickers among medical help that demonstrated. Not only intelligence. But the ability to analyze the problems come up with a solution. And implement the solution. And also demonstrated -- A lot about the intelligence of these animals particularly. -- and that should give people particularly dog and cat lovers. Something to think Bo regarding whether or not they -- support this legislation. And quite possibly regard whether there or continue to eat pork product it's very if they now do. While they hubris that that's gonna Daniel and next -- -- and -- I am a sonic -- this. Is that how I -- show Bruce Friedrich how can people find out more about the flu prevention a farm animal cruelty act. I'm what do that are what state which is just farm sanctuary. Dot org. Are they gonna be humane society website which is just humane society dot org and you often. Put in Massachusetts and find out. What you can do to take action thank you very much -- I really appreciate having fun. While we appreciate and thank you very much. I am a stomach be in the Howie -- this is out our show.