Shona Holmes is a patient who fled Canada to seek life-saving medical treatment in the United States

They're coming your way mid -- news as we head toward some serious heat. -- Talk -- show brought -- my network capital funding corporation your future finance. It's. So a couple things I just wanna mention you had Shana Holmes coming up in just the sexiest Canadian but had to flee the country in order to get proper healthcare. And she's a patient's rights advocate advocate and once just have good health care in this country -- be fun to talk with a but I've got a couple of text matches people mad I keep saying it's attacks. That that the mandate is tax -- so I mean to say when I mean to say is that the court. Might look at the mandate and say it's. Virtually attacks. That it's the equivalent of attacks that -- I don't know if they're gonna do that some people speculated. It looks to me if you wanted to find a way to dodge around this thing you would say it's attacks. And that's the kind of thinking that you know the socialists use in order to get the -- happen this socialism happening the way they want. It 1015 today the rulings expected. They come into session at 10 o'clock they have two other rulings I have to issue first so the guess is around 1015 there will be issuing the ruling but. There's several from points they have to do. Announced their decisions on one of which is is the mandate. Constitutional. And that'll be the first thing they have to is while know first they'll decide whether. They have a right to make this decision. Because in this -- the tax question comes in because they have to decide if they if they log on back to the eighteen hundreds the bands the court. From issuing a decision. On whether attacks is constitutional. Can be made in advance of that tax being in effect so they have to decide this tax mandate issue and they have to decide whether they have a right to even give a -- and one of the ways that might escape it is saying oh if we go back to 1867 more blocked from issuing this decree before becomes law. So let's talk a little bit a vote. Health care and what we want. And by going to shown -- Holmes who is the person I was talking a moment ago she's lives here now as I understand it used to be Canadian or is Canadian. And had to -- that health care system and had to challenge in that country. The law the health care -- on that country made it illegal to have private insurance you could not doctors were blocked from setting up private practices I understand it. And you didn't have the ability to pay directly for your care without the risk of going to prison Shana Holmes welcome to WRKO. Good morning yes and I am still Canadian -- still living and it just I do so worse you have to come here. I certainly did yes. -- -- And this is predicting this is so exciting to they'd find that what's going to happen with this decision because. If this is upheld. Then I could be didn't expect a case that your your country will be facing -- basically our constitutional challenge that that I didn't. A party of here in Canada. Is I'm fighting for the right for. Access to care. In other words you use your money to go by cares I that ideally that's what we would like they really like the opportunity to take care of ourselves. I thought that had been changed the original laws I understand it in Canada. Made the federal government in charge of -- all health -- said. Doctors were blocked from setting up private practices is that right that's right and I thought that had been changed and now there were kind of boutique doctor services alive. Well what happens is the law was actually challenged income back there. Similar view that we have to challenged. Each. He individually per product like he was Jewish state -- And fill in one income back and now won the Ontario challenger. But yet there are some some small -- boutiques opening. They are constantly threatening injury issues and -- you are allowed to provide anything that the government does not. Provide also technically you can't overlap your services -- you know if the government will will do cancer surgery than a private search and can't have a cancer surgery business that's right. While that's aren't very restrictive. In there in New York challenging that you're in your case been ruled on income back yet. In Quebec it was -- -- I was part of that he now the Ontario challenger -- so that that was ruled that the federal laws illegal in the back. That it was unconstitutional. And now that's going up to the federal courts. That's right what you call -- Supreme Court is facing. Guys copy everything we do we do now we needed is copy your -- health care is currently using dollar doctors to the United States. And caller patient -- part of. His desperate how long his Canada had this socialized medicine. News. You're challenging me and that roughly is are we go back it's a long time isn't it but at least yeah so yes if 4050 years. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- and that's hard to remember it is it is. And the is -- is everybody employed by the federal government if you -- at a hospital to check from as a government worker. He should do. So. Let the doctors are considered self employed yeah but they're all me customer is the government. And the -- and then what happens that the government that they're just so wonderful say you know what we need to improve. Access to health care so what they do is the -- you were on wait list to see a specialist. And you are considered. Taking care. But it -- -- 89. To eighteen months to get in this seat is special. Tell us your story so we can learn through that what she illness did you get diagnosed what what. Happened added I that the to -- brain tumor. And I it was starting to go blinded completely last night vision in my right eight and three quarters of my vision in my left thigh. And I knew something was terribly wrong that was all sorts of other problems that happen. And I went to see my family doctor and she sent me for an MRI which takes. Agreed to -- six months again MRI done. And I that I couldn't wait I knew it couldn't wait and I had a lot of friends in the United States since I was absolutely. And a lot of my friends and you'll be telling -- and other doctors kept trying to explain to them it doesn't work like that here you can't change your own doctor. You have to go with which ones available and that we are equally as long. And you cannot jump weightless. And so I went over to the United States -- it's the male clinic. Got a full diagnosis within a week and basically my husband and said listen. You know that we currently has an end and to be said. They -- said you know if she is against the surgery should be dead by September. So we look like competent and because all we needed to with the diagnosis. So we return to -- -- was a full diagnosis. And the doctors refused this scene because I jumped the line in their opinion -- -- the line. Which was due to I had because I thought I hadn't gotten a diagnosis without waiting in. In turn so they want you to wait till you were dead before he came back for the -- or -- or upset that you messed with that. Plan ahead for it was such a good plan. With such a good plan and the fact that I had played an advance to my insurance quote unquote government insurance. Which is what we paid for and I couldn't get access to any of the services. And he never in a million years if anybody told me that I would be even sitting on the phone talking to you about this about my health care which -- of you know it's everybody's been very personal private thing and suddenly I -- all of a sudden realize how -- this doesn't work as fact is that I need. And so I knew then I was so grateful to let this happen to me in the united. All right slowdown though. -- because -- to get the -- distort so sure he came here to get your assessment on so they can do a diagnosis you've got the MRI here because it would have taken too many months right and your tumor would have grown and it -- -- to -- -- would -- you -- so he came here got that diagnosis when you that went back to Canada with the diagnosis -- -- refused to -- which is. Even for bureaucrats I mean what was there are the basis did they have some technical basis for refusing tree. Well they got me into so what they said that the surgeons and emergency surgeon and that they blocked and he said to me I handed -- my Americans diagnosis. And he said to be if you mention the Mayo Clinic this meeting is over do we understand each other. And then he said I looked set up appointments -- that you -- an MRI at look at -- for all of these things which without getting back on the weightless. And I -- he had those cancers. And so what do you do you came to the US -- They're back to the US after fighting that they -- the end of -- -- -- surgeons I did everything that I could within the next three days I traveled down for. Back in the states for pre surgery in -- help. Obama has been continued to get -- get help here because you have to understand we don't have that kind of money we get. I -- a normal people don't what let you know what you or surgery what -- the price tag be on your searcher. 100000 -- should start and national okay and and well is there anything in in your health care planning Canada. That would have covered you having your brain tumor surgery done here in the US. It would hit it only in the US yes -- had led government had decided because they're pretty actually the month that I traveled to the US. I'm 36 patients percent over the border from brain surgery because we didn't have to be sources. Let them all -- if they decide to send -- decide. Right on their time and you would have you had the audacity to wanna stay alive and take care so how do you work this what did you do. -- actually you know that you make the -- day. We borrowed the -- hasn't put a second mortgage on the house. And took an extra job. And are still paying for. How how many years ago was -- searcher. Right five years ago everything's fine and the surgery successful. Do it very well you're fighting your federal government in court. In order to get this whole thing overturn this all right legal system because you say on New York in the Canadian constitution it's unconstitutional. Bright and the -- Internet access to wait this is not access to care. The great dialogue like hearing about is the argument that -- -- injured people. But I'm an injured person and I can't get into the doctors such insurance is worse than anything. You know and this whole issue that its unsuccessful at controlling costs. So it helps to ensure everybody but as everybody. And they keep saying we need more money into it into the bottom -- -- it's it's not providing the care. -- wait a -- I would assume that the costs of health care in Canada has dropped because. They make you die faster. Well that's true that is too but they're very good at not keeping those statistics and they can't claim that we live longer. But it's only -- -- waiting in line to be told that we're about to -- I did very very. -- anything else we should know that is the you know a little. Message to us about what we can anticipate. Well I think because I think what's really important is that we really need to open the dialogue so that Americans understand what our system -- and what I'm trying to do is convenient to understand your system is because. Getting -- and the idea that there are people lying dead on the street all over the place because they can't. Can't get care and -- basically you know we just because it's cold here at most of the plays that they put it inside but we don't like and the street. But it's not because we -- lack of resources is not because we have lousy doctors we have all of their their hands are tied they cannot. Do their job problem is I mean this -- what are far founders knew 250 years ago. And that is that when you put people and he bureaucracies when you keep that creed they centralized government. And you take those stupid organizations that result and make them in charge of people's lives all they can do is ruin people's lives that's right the if people have to be able to make their own decisions on the street level. They do and and -- thing -- again. Like for instance. We had a hospital. In Vancouver this year that had declared -- that it could clone. -- doors in September because they've spent their budgets so they no longer saw any patience and September to December. -- just shut down did you shut down and turn people away why how can citizens put up with this I don't listen. Canadian and it just go along at a lot of the goal on what happened there how how about the people work there how to they don't do they still get pay. Because -- -- -- salary and there are considered that they've gone through you know their salaries but from that point on they they did not have the money. Tom McGovern. So -- closed the hospital they know the money to run but they keep paying all the staff which is the biggest expense absolutely. -- currently off bureaucracies are beautiful things big government is a beautiful thank you thank you for sharing your story shown a home sales problems from Canada. Powerful stuff thank you so much. There you have it what the kind of thing to be horrified about because you know people get fooled by these these manipulative arguments -- oh it's compassionate. Does that sound compassionate do what happened to -- She would've waited months for an MRI in Canada months. And she comes here for couple branching get yourself an MRI banks is better diagnosis. And then she goes back and they won't do the surgery. Because she's not inside the system. It's -- sick evil thing big centralized government. Our founders were motivated. By that more than anything else and every bit of effort they could Muster. Went into trying to make sure they would just. Designed a constitution. That could not be dismantled the way progressive as -- has dismantled hours 6172666860.