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Wed, 27 Jun 2012|

Orbitz, the popular travel site, has a strange way of displaying hotel rooms to you on a search. It's not illegal, but some say it is very big brotherish.

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  1. search engine9:30, 9:37
  2. weight loss2:21
  3. Dan Stein18:10
  4. Big Brother7:16, 7:22
  5. Orbitz5:17, 8:02, 11:29
  6. Federation for American Immigration Reform18:04
  7. National Institutes of Health2:39
  8. YouTube videos11:45

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-- -- show brought -- you by network capital funding corporation New York future. Financed. Couple interesting stories -- wanna run by you what is I don't know if you heard our conversation a few weeks ago we had a great talk about diet because cooks he went on this thing called the paley a diet. And then out based on. Like three sentences worth of information I want on it is well. And it's have absolutely brilliant thing I don't even off on -- right. But the formula I'm falling is to only eat basically fruits vegetables. And approaching sources that come from. You know some kind of natural creation right like you try to get grass fed beef. Or organic chicken or whatever but you don't eat grains. Right a staple of our diets is -- scarves like bread. And the idea the -- diet is no grains. And no dairy. And no Ali -- are called which IE you know always beans and stuff which our bodies apparently aren't as -- -- -- getting everything cooks everything I missed. That's it so it's that simple so for breakfast I have what I have for lunch I have what I would have for dinner all the same. You don't have those cereals which -- always struck me as stupid. Maybe it's just a male thing I have a bowl -- hungry like before it's even come to my stomach the last by. I'm hungry again it's like a little tickling -- -- to make yourself hungry. You just have this normal food and the result is when you get hungry need to get hungry but it's a different hunger. You don't get agonizingly hungry don't get cravings. You're just noticing your stomach wants food that you ignore it. And then it goes away and you go through to the next meal in need a lot lasts you just have your veggies. And you have your meat. You have your veggies and have a hard boiled you have your veggies and have a scrambled does it it's so easy. Losing weight is so easy. I just want to mention that. Because I'm losing weight all these I don't understand I don't you feel like I'm losing weight but I have these clothes that work snug a few weeks ago and now they're. Loose on me. A new study is raising questions about the age old belief that a calorie is a calorie. The research finds that -- hitters who were trying to maintain their weight. I'm -- who were trying to maintain their weight loss burned significantly. More calories. If you eat a low carb diet. Then eating a low fat -- that's why I brought this up. Because it this is very similar. To a paley -- Palin -- gets rid of those evil carts. The study funded by the National Institutes of Health was designed to see if changing. The type of diet people consumed. Help with weight maintenance because Dieter often regains. Lost weight does matter fact I think they do that nearly a 100% of the time. When you go on a diet that requires you hurt yourself to punish yourself. EU ended in you celebrate and you get back in your bad habits yet so what scientists did was they had 21 obese participants aged eighteen to forty lose ten to 15% of their initial. Body -- about thirty pounds. After their -- stabilized. Each Dieter. Followed one of three different diets they were given food that was prepare for them by diet experts. The diets had the same number of calories. But the fat protein and -- con tent there are right so the key is they were testing people to see which would. Lead them to gain weight. If they want on a low fat diet and if they -- low carb diet. Or if they went on a low -- seeming -- index diet similar to a Mediterranean diet vegetables fruit beans. Healthy fats. Healthy grains. Etc. And the findings came out that you burn more calories. Per day on a low carb. Diet and it's really -- saying I raised this because it I think it shows us how much disinformation we get our culture because. We who we have the news tends to pick up on superficial stories somebody does a study a summit he has a study -- you know they're contradicting themselves all the time. But what our guy we had our guy on talk about the Palin -- what did we learn that that was the most fascinating. I think the most fascinating thing we learned was set this whole fat thing. Don't eat fat that was not the answer according to the micro biologist we have -- from Harvard he said that's improvement. Not to be the case he's eat butter. You need some of the stuff that's and it's good for you have your butter he said and we have spent a generation. I think pursuing diet goals at around him. This story seems to confirm that Tony carves. The fattest fine Tony sugar the fattest fine. Eat meat eat vegetables. Simple little lesson for -- events. Fascinating which computer do you use a PC. Or a Mac show of hands plays Mac users. Okay there's a few I used both but mostly Mac now because the Mac works better it's more expensive but works better. Orbits you know orbits it's one of those online book a flight things book a hotel whatever. Orbitz is expert this is fascinating -- devious it is but you know it's kinda thing you have to expect business to do. -- Is after learning that it's Mac users. Are if you go to orbits and book a hotel booked a flight whatever book a reservation. At a hotel you're gonna spend 30%. More on average. If you're a Mac user. So guess what they're doing when you do the search. That's fighting you the best deal. The best deal is now gonna be different if you're on a PC. Or if you're on a Mac. Do you feel. Discriminated. Against it just shows. What happens when you -- people information went companies. Can identify. Something about you based on a cookie they've got -- your computers or I don't know how they Telus do you know how they now. If they know you're an iMac which may mean they can see that from some code maybe it comes on the elevator -- like IP yen address I don't know I hear some. The Mac sending a different signal something that tells them. It's horrifying that because I hate when I go to -- go to like Google or Amazon or something I'm looking up product. And then I go to another website all of sudden their product shows up but all the different advertisements it's it's just strange that they say they're following yeah it's like your haunted you feel like your hunt it. Like somebody is watching. Absolutely. Like somebody's following you down the street when they know who you are and what you like. And what you're into what you're interested in. Based on the fact that your computer destruct into web -- as you think you're going in anonymously and it's been happening for how long now I'm not just the orbits thing but the good thing I just mentioned. Now I'm tracking your boy you're looking at online shopping for and then. Advertising specifically to you because of what you were looking at -- I think it's funny when people get off all on nuts about Big Brother in the government. -- already hear you you're already allowing it to happen when he freaking out -- volunteer Big Brother so when you go to someplace like Boston -- on the globe's website. -- -- track Q based on cookies so they put this little thing in your computer that this says something about your preferences and then when you come backer go to another page the ads they show you. Our customized based on the kinds of searches you do or the stories you've looked at or whatever they decide the thing will be. I don't mind that I do think we all should be notified I do think. That website should regularly tell you know we've got a cookie on -- And if you wanna check your preferences and cookie if you want a race at whatever. Here's -- ago the are the only part that bothers me is that it's invisible so when I use a site like Orbitz or Expedia. I expect them to give me the best prices I don't expect them to say oh. You gonna fancy suburb we're gonna rip you off. Or -- you're on a Mac we're gonna make assumptions about what kind of product you want now let me decide. All right let me check off what kind of search I want you know -- there excuse for doing this is that they're not necessarily ripping you off. They're just taking the information they you have a Mac so. In theory you make a lot more money so they're all better just starting their clients of the first four or five. Selections on your screen will be higher priced. Yeah in and they set on the news last thing you always have the option to scroll down below them find the cheaper hotel. Yeah well you know what I don't want that option I want when I do a search and I say I want to cheaper so if you or -- That's search for the cheapest hotel deal. They're gonna give you a different result on a PC from a Mac how do you feel about them Mike good morning your RKO. -- -- -- -- I mean I feel violated that -- felt violated since then you know tees. Yet while now since the -- never started using. Because the whole reason for it is because for using free browsers. You think they're free no Obama really -- because they're gonna and stuff like that stick to make money and I don't blame them. If you wrote her own browser software that you wouldn't allow right. You know you're right and I read something today were somebody said they re using different search engine. I can't remember the name of about I want to -- you should not I think I'd lost -- but anyway there's a search engine out there are gas that's designed on the concept that they keep none of your information -- they are simply there. To what you -- I wish you could remember what what I use it you know today. I'll -- and I will announce okay. Here feel you won't have to feel violated but I mean really hit it way back when nobody was paying for these browser there was a browser -- between Netscape and Internet -- backing up what they AOL and all that. And and the assumption whether it's gonna be free to every well not been completely for. No you're right that's a good reminder of a lesson we all know but we forget about just like when the government gives us something -- We know it's gonna cost to slot Robert good morning GO. They thought I don't -- I'm doing well thank you call. Is that my experience and videos that app though they when election of video they know when you've earned on and turned it ought. Well July between light and a VIPs right there also. Wait a -- so when I watch a video that has an -- on job they know that I instantly. Go back and look for another one. Well you know exactly. Exactly where you if you watched all video all all time we brought you something -- it didn't and it they can tell you what happened. But I want them to know that on YouTube. When I go to a video on it starts with an advertisement I don't watch the video and your saying they get that information that after two -- -- -- It may be more sophisticated which I'm up by knowing that level that is or -- media -- -- -- -- extra video out Jack and Robert. I think people should know about it. I'd lie agree I think there should be transparency in terms of the information they're taking. But I like the idea that they can know how long I'm watching something for because that's kind of voter feedback you know that's added that can allow them to our craft things but. My complaint is your complaint. If it's an Expedia or Orbitz or any sites are gonna give us different search results. Based on what kind of computer were using or other -- c.s that are invisible to us. I feel like that's a cheat I wanna have an option on that. Marla what I'm sorry go at -- I read an article and some advertising magazine about those YouTube videos. And they don't really care if you click offered after the first dissect why because the they've been -- your brain the described flashing that you've seen the calls and writing and -- that's ridiculous you see it -- not greasy enough he's seen enough eventually you'll just remember and that's how they -- -- that's that's where the advertising kind of comes in when -- when they put on the on in sports Arenas -- and the -- just goes by it every now and again. You don't really see it but you know it's your brain pretty in the kinda act -- of -- for 152 commercial to lead to a video. -- I'm certainly getting different results of people watch the whole fifteen seconds verses leave I leave you know other screw the black screen that said a little more advertisement comes up. And that's when I'm gone I'd I'd never even see their logos I'm not by Anaheim are like good morning. I attacked and on the do you. -- dot com that not quick I it got. Stewart needs dot com that's a browser. What -- -- aren't looking out there at the exact and then out that they -- I got the. -- I liked it cannot figure out how. Anybody I think they've done appetite and that type that are like oh I that you are you want what are you referring to. Well advertisements on and let things at all. Because what date with the orbits search it's not an advertisement it's them listing. What they have available for hotel rooms for cheap ones right. So you go there to try to find a good deal on on air flight or hotel what they're saying is if you're on a Mac they're gonna show you more expensive hotels because they -- a big spender. And I it just feels manipulate. -- laptop got to check. But that. Sue each other do it orbits search through the same -- at the same time it tells about the result yeah. Thank you -- appreciate the call -- good morning to you. It -- are great aren't sold on Baghdad. None will ever steal your thunder and -- at -- on. The surgeon in -- is dark age dot com. And it's quite it's quite do -- -- how did you discover. I'm I've heard it of the -- no alternative media and I got up that you'd probably can and there's a very. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Alex jones' that we listened to -- yet so what's rest conspiracy this week. I don't know I they're talking about the -- you know immigration and then. Like. That the that the big. I think -- and so did the so they were talking about how do you keep yourself clean on the Internet. And start page dot com is how to do a search without being -- Exactly they actually had an advertisement -- That's awesome all right now I'm get to see the picture I wonder you're actually -- or near their though. -- I wonder you know maybe even the the people who are supposed to there were selling new freedom from the scam may be that got there -- -- Brian you're next on WRKO hey Brian. Eight I don't go and luckily the weather explorer are Mozilla yeah you right click the body as -- tried -- vote you know. You can you adapt now there that I keep them from -- -- lot of -- that most. And did when you do that do you find that you lose. Any capabilities on the web sites that use cookies to make it user friendly. No not at all is if you don't get the banners are either numbers actually thought I realize that the pop up ads you can -- your computer -- aren't likely. Okay I'll do that and so it private. -- -- In private thank you -- the start page is enhanced by Google. And you go there and it tells you that's our page dot com actually takes you search and and submits it to Google themselves. And I filter it will be felt throughout the search for you and they give you back the results this -- right. I wonder how he feels about that. Police say -- WRKO hi Lisa. I just thought Anthony two point are done and how are going to -- -- -- And neat reputable web site is gonna tell you -- terms of he had exactly what they're cooking or so. You have the obligation as the current information actually just find it out yourself to -- to. Elder at our website you go to. Any any reputable if they're not telling me what they're doing what it up and -- don't know when you say I have an obligation for every website at -- check out and see with their. I mean -- -- -- that they are doing in anyways but if you wanna know exactly what you're being cookie for you. But here. Since you're an expert at this what should I care about Lisa. I would care about how they use your information like I would like that what would this Sosa go to let -- telling your information. Are hitting it out to third party. And -- do they reveal matter do they give me a chance opt out of that how does that work when you get inside the workings. Well -- -- opt out your options in most cases district not cheese but I know. -- as they do it they wanna use that -- you know buyer beware. And you're saying when they do it BA drive to read like some fifty page contract that has always. And and I mean any good side is gonna have a pretty pretty -- -- -- in a way that you can distort and -- you know bullet point and our point but yet and that. Do we give out your phone number several good call you think that question. But a a a six point seven. 26666. In the refusal we're talking about this is because orbits which is one of those you know book a trip type web sites. Is giving you different search results on hotel in their prices hotels and their prices based on whether using a Mac or PC because they see Max. Mac users as a little more generous with the amount of money there -- spent so they giving you different search results which is is sort of scary when you think about that you're using it to get the cheapest prices you're not thinking about that they're gonna bias that based on what computer use and so give us a call talk few more minutes about the senate. 805 today and Bob -- will be here from an organization called fair that's a Federation for American Immigration Reform. -- US dot org. Their president was here the other day Dan Stein talking about the Arizona ruling were -- talk more about that ruling get through some of the repercussions of it -- now that we've. Had time to think about it would Bob -- coming up on 680 WRKO.