Rep. Lyons On Illegal Alien Medical Costs And Your Wallet

Joining us now on the line is represented by Jim Lyons from from handover. And he is the he he's the guy who was actually come up with these statistics it's like pulling teeth from the Obama administrator from the the Deval Patrick administration excuse me. The try to get these numbers but it's in The Herald today again not much gall to call for -- wouldn't touch the store with a ten foot Paul. I'll just reachable lead -- we'll speak to -- -- presumed appliance about this illegal aliens out of staters and others who failed to produce proof of Massachusetts residency drained 118. Million dollars. From the pool of cash the state uses to reimburse hospitals and clinics. The cure for the pour in the latest year on record state officials say so went from buy it and it was 983 million according to the states on statistics and again. We can take this with the same bureau of the same grain of salt that we take the the first time claims for unemployment that are -- was revised up forty -- unexpectedly by the Obama administration -- last year they claimed it was 93 million from illegal aliens now it's up to 118 million. Representative -- thanks for joining us here on the how we car show one day -- thanks for a thanks for that trying to get the the the numbers out of the Deval Patrick administration work what exactly and -- so afraid of -- rappers and appliance. Well -- -- haven't colleague. Good question what they're afraid of the I think the thing that you listeners should know is that this 118 million is in addition to that 93 million. So look she is 93 million dollar number that they gave us. That was not have a different program so in addition to the 93 million this spending and at this 218 million dollars. On the people with no document. So that adds up over 300 million. Well look at 300 because you include another sixty million under what they call that is not available. -- what he wanted to. That is a lot available. And how it would euphemism. I think it's very available. To a pop up a. Both of its -- The first go around -- purposely got them in May of 2000 -- eleven. And I think we've finally got the information out of them in late October. And this year we started in February. And we got the information in June. So clearly -- they don't. You know aren't keeping these -- -- are they simply don't want to hear the information and it's one of the things that I that acts as. You know everyplace I go we talk about issues. This is one of those issues that system period it's people wanna know their tackles go in this administration. Has raised -- taxes. You know as cut aid to cities and -- In -- note that in just two pro. This spending 275. Million dollars. On undocumented. What you know why I said this the first hour orbit that this is so patently unfair if you're an American citizen you one guy. Would and we don't have health insurance in the state of Massachusetts. We can get a fine of up to 2000 dollars. But if you're an illegal alien and you don't have health insurance in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts you get free health care how how was this possibly care. It it isn't citizenship he does and -- this beat the administration wants us to believe that this is a vote. Emergency. In a visit to the pits that they're making his. The governor today it was saying this is about an emergency. Approximately in the hospital in the emergency rule in -- severe accident -- some kind of dire straits. And that's currently -- might be part of this but it never shared that information with -- exactly what percentage. -- that would talking about if you look at their own documents online and I mean they're providing. Dental -- through the whole state. Dental harbor illegal aliens. Yep that's. That's what you know that's certainly part of the benefits that are being provided. Again while American citizens who -- war two broke under under the Obama economy to buy insurance for themselves are getting there with with. Fines of up to 2000 dollars. It's it's just any -- thing -- See you don't you you weren't in the legislature at that time but I'm sure you remember the one of the ways this was sold to the public in that 2006 when it was when it became law was that. This was one way that that we were going to what I get the illegal aliens to finally pay for health care. But apparently there is the only crackdown has come on American citizens or illegal aliens. They have an attempted to get any money from them at all it's the same it's the same old story free right for illegals Americans back. Is that what. In the usage in this particular Allstate -- that is increased from two in 2008. Through 2000 and RW what you just said that everyone's book -- health care and that -- -- the usage has increased. Like 20% of the number of folks that are actually using. The gulf state in the -- owned by their own numbers. So I use this -- the health safety -- means no they don't have insurance so the number of people with no health insurance. Has gone up as the illegal aliens have seen this is just another free program they've they've decided to use it more more and more. In the -- the secretary of the that oversees this program when I passed through the question. Why have -- seen such dramatic increase. And the response that I got was that they would driving people to their -- safety net and I said that doesn't make any sense to me. Insists -- well there are certain programs that have been console with driving people get paid to that of say you know. And then limiting the amount of money that they're actually giving hospitals so this shipping costs on to the taxpayers. -- -- actually hit into wager your insurance goes up and then and then the that the actual war cost of the procedures goes up because you're paying for the illegal -- -- the Streeter. You know cross in the emergency room. And so then as the price goes up than your insurance keeps going up. It 1877469432. To be -- any questions about this again this is a story you'll only read in The Herald it's like going to be in the -- A 118 million dip in the health pool pro and to help -- ripped illegals others use funds are just all I don't I don't. I don't I don't see how the the the the Deval Patrick administration can think that the that this is good. Good I mean we all hear that he wants to run for president in the in the 2016. And you know hole. How how does this help him by letting letting these illegals run amok in -- while Americans are are are are being fine. Yeah that's a very good question Ali you know I I -- quite frankly don't understand what's incredible. To me is the effort. That they go to. Not provide assistance commission should be readily available not a very difficult question and in what it also leads to I think how he is. -- that we have a 32 billion dollar state budget. Two programs a lot of regret that is you know is the -- -- Programs and spending 275. Million balls. How much -- -- spending in some of these other programs that -- you know about the necklace and will continue to. To try to get that information you know what other what are the percentages of there and some of these programs public to actually -- 18774694322. Were talking to was state representative Jim alliance he EG he shut down the government briefly last fall like trying to get -- some kind of answers from the state. About the how much money is being spent on these quote unquote un documented that patients. And again this is this is another one of these programs it was supposed to clear up the illegal alien problem like the federal amnesty acts of in 1986. -- the immigration reform act of 1965. It's post put an end all this nonsense. In what it does is it just makes it worse and you know I we were talking before the show Jim you know I keep reading. You know while Michael Barone and now others have picked up the the drumbeat. That you know the economy is so bad that the illegal aliens are going home. You know why would be illegal aliens go home I mean they got the that he BT cards they got if they get free health care they have -- and give you saw the -- in Charleston on the other day -- all you know everybody's got a free translator they got public defenders when they get arrested for -- Coke -- doing drive by shootings. Why would they ever. Go home and how is it a little inflated I don't know that didn't get too much publicity to talk about you know provides services. Two to people put so. We we fill out. Certain people get legal services and its going to be going potentially going to jail. So this state last year build -- 42 million dollars. Two to people who are getting legal services -- -- out balls and they have a they have a responsibility that they -- that the bulk of the bill the state only collected a gamble. This 34 million dollars so we filed legislation Republican caucus filed legislation. To make it similar to a speeding ticketed adult page 450 dollars. On a credit in this about a criminal thing you know you can't even want if you don't pay your -- were fine and you're an American citizen you can't renew your driver's license and I'll make it -- stroke. Right and it could. People getting free lead. Up man. It's we got that treated the same in the speeding ticket you know they don't pay -- -- fifty dollars. The governor -- and so you know voted overwhelmingly. In the house couple weeks ago. Home boy it's just I don't it would what are they thinking of one let's take a few calls for Jim -- he's the new state wrap up for Republicans they reprimand over and he's been trying to -- get that bottom of this how much how much money is going to illegal aliens on. Law on the as part of our rob and dare I say it right Omnicare that's where it is by the way did you have the latest news jamaat. The upbeat ex commissioner of probation John O'Brien has has got -- a public defender today. This guy's getting up this guy's getting a pension. Of of almost 5000 a month the state pension he and his wife is make him 55000. As a working at that at the lottery I believe his daughter used have a job -- the treasury I don't know if she still has it or not. But so he's so he's got a family income of over still over a 100000 dollars a year he's only 55 years old. And yet we're pick up the tab for -- amidst this isn't just illegal aliens rip off the system why I shouldn't. Would wanna leave you with that crutch and everybody's gotten and that this thing. Carol your next with Howie Carr and Jim -- represented Jim alliance go ahead Carol. -- entitlement how are. The it content early and -- and a calculator so they try. People who were an emergency situation. I would just very true we are giving birth to it we -- of people giving birth to be a little anchor baby. Where give me aren't here and hospitals to care. To our regular land that it being god -- X rays are. I cholesterol. Low impact whenever we -- giving more we get. I work in a hospital in the -- area EI Li has -- here to illegals. For our. You name it it's it's there and expect it and -- appeal the jury how how are. However it's the illegal that we get me in my hospital three million dollar on. For -- the illegals are costing your hospital three million a month. I can't say illegal and it's really well and I mean I'm I'm American that'd -- better on the door well treats here. Freak here is costing. Three million dollar mark in that might want liberal but I'll. That in this is and again this is the system that was supposed to put an end to this kind of these kinds of rip offs that were -- the with the war bankrupting the health care system. But they haven't they just made it harder for Americans in more expensive for Americans. Not I agree I agree completely with his call that that's exactly right the administration's position is that they wanna believe it's strictly. In emergency situations and clearly it's not without -- Great information out elsewhere the Mars. And to date we haven't we haven't really got complete. -- dynasty -- you can have a number dental emergency but how often do you really have a dental emergency rally you know how much how much are they spending on how much of the spending on dental care for illegals give that give them break out. They do they have broken almost biblical -- it's just human has brought totals so 418 million undocumented in sixteen million. That they referred to his status not available. While status out of it while I want thanks Carol up Paul you're next with how we car and ever president Jim alliance for my hand over go ahead Paul. They are and I -- -- Korea right actually was pay my -- health and -- up until. This past February America reported anymore. -- a -- economic out of money so I decide to apply. A map well what type on the paperwork. In the middle of February. And that waited and I waited an -- it was going to be a couple of weeks and -- I -- samarra not a cult backed it to them sixty days -- response from apple pays. And irresponsible as always it's more permits and it's accurate earned on -- let -- and I waited another sixty days. I just the other day I got approved. But in the meantime I've gone for months without health insurance. And -- -- -- the I'm not -- Imagine you were imagine if you like for visa card all along when it happened. Never got prosper but what -- -- -- the second time for the -- well you know the kind of ridiculous like a lot of particulates and and the -- says you know all. The what you should come into auto enrollment patterns and not do it on line of one of our people and he'll probably get a response and we did and it. You can I would online that you own house or the -- another and it happened I went there it used to compute documentation and I'm so I can't do that because I won. They go and enrollment at our product and they said what's work. Yeah exactly. We have an -- Call the war -- months she. Thanks for the call Paul good luck 18774694322. Mark your next with how we -- ahead mark. Yeah it's so much about -- are well it's you know Abdul lights are by deporting a minute I can't. And LSU or communities is is a beautiful thing -- I can't tell you might be people -- -- I'd say ninety plus percent of amount -- what I do the booking. I make sure put -- property about health it's not a woman -- date or Guatemala. For now held guards in the country illegal sport kids. So she probably never going anywhere so all. And if you -- -- any hospitals whether I've got an -- better and so hospital it's. They -- good -- serum as their primary care they walk in the front rip us off then lock out the back inspectors were the builds its its a made. -- I know and he you know you think man I mean man you're right about Mass. General left the hospital I have to go to sometimes I mean that's that's one of the best hospitals in the world. And I would guess at least 30% of the people littered the better and there are illegal aliens don't know. I know Jim what is. This theory you know -- I mean I guess what we all we can hope for. Is that the Supreme Court is gonna do the right thing -- not and in much respect they entire country witnessed. This abortion but yeah you know I mean what can what can the state -- army we have that we have to elect some new people I guess is what it boils down to it was meant. Well as in the first thing is we have to get information right we've got to get this information from governors were beginning to get. And and in the second thing is we've we need to make sure that we portray the element of -- attacks we got -- Filed legislation to prevent people from fun in these two. We should not be spending that's. You mentioned I wish -- aspect Koppel what that woman but Guatemalan illegal with a four kids in the India for a mass health -- wonder what she was arrested for. Sure wasn't does something. You know -- it wasn't something small. Thanks for the thanks for the call mark Chris your next with Howie Carr and -- representative Jim alliance go ahead -- Two online com. I just -- -- specifically about the it dental component. The funding I doubt it. Haven't been to a dentist and I'm tired and Paris and their analysts say -- Com how does that look like it -- do they get treatment that'll you know register emergency -- can you elaborate on I just area. I'll read it right so are -- right there there or not. Know the web -- in July 2010 myself in -- located dump Obama that were restructured. -- -- in it pays for certain dental services for individuals robe and not so who would not otherwise eligible but also it in its services. This resulted in the significant overall increase in the number of individuals eligible for -- state in its own services. That doesn't tell us much -- does certain dental procedures I mean what -- bad you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna guess that means it's every six months. Right. So the impression -- the united said that you know it it took me six months to get numbers Ali you know to get the administration that knows what they're. Providing with those numbers you know will continue together. And for it but don't know how long it -- them to give it. So Chris there's your answer they won't tell us. The Pacific sixty million dollar. A predator that something that's up. They aren't which means great don't really count part jump until. Yeah exactly but the idea that 187746943221877. 4694322. But of course if you lie if you if you don't pay that fine that they that that they extract or try to extract from you while you I'm sure you can't renew your license your registration right jump. Right exactly. Openness and transparency several parts -- becomes part of what we're asking the administration would do. Right or you're asking for lieutenant governor's -- our records I speak from the perspective of the media about one. JE FJ. Your next with how we car and representative Jim alliance go ahead -- -- outlines an hourly -- I have such questions don't -- -- -- change mighty mighty medical. The status to a unspecified. That's. And an idea -- it's. 400 no -- and sent to keep the. Then now I know unspecified status output but a lot -- quick could we see your two weeks a year insurance card. I have an insurance card number unspecified status. Right that's the first thing they ask you when you're going to doctor's office two weeks a year insurance card. But not not not if you're one of the chosen ones thanks for the call GA -- that your next with how we cargo ahead Linda. I tried to go to new I wanted to say. I there yeah we're here. I wanted to. -- that'll. But women coming in and say that they feel their babies well. Mac and you know -- ordered out what exactly are about -- here. They do not tell -- the -- -- their babies you know they found out that they can go to hospitals around the ball reverend you bet it. I don't suspect they. Also they -- find out -- and today they wanna find out the sex of their baby but of course they don't wanna pay like Americans have to -- And actually exactly. Now about that as well you know there there have. That's also what about illegal aliens. Oh yeah those big. And you know -- on the -- -- people at that that's what's happening and they I don't know that. You don't -- -- that I -- -- I treatment -- -- that they didn't get that big war that did it get out on it and I don't suspect that they. We don't set up. I don't. Thanks for the call Linda another -- another atrocity Jim. -- -- next with how -- car and -- president Jim alliance for money hand over who's been trying to walk find out exactly how much money. Is being spent under Romney care on illegal aliens and other unspecified. People's. Joseph. I don't know I -- -- larger and a guy like myself. They blew it up there in Massachusetts. And won't quit and our -- -- the market -- we can't afford to let people aren't. Health safety net for the masters it's not at all. And unemployment. And hopefully he and Atacama representative Mike Finn and -- until. China to get an appointment. Because when -- called. So between that offered -- and you have to people like -- Legitimately -- The only couldn't get an appointment to October November. So when people wouldn't be able but it really you know. It -- you put it. And it's not. Don't know how -- you. Joseph -- -- -- don't call it don't say you mean he was not in the legislature when this was passed. He was not in the legislature when this this monstrosity was set up so -- -- you. The demand of the system itself out and open -- people there. Legitimately unemployed with international -- and that auto clean up and beyond that. And the people it would probably aren't you having an appointment but yet illegal aliens. -- Another and that's that's exactly yup that's exactly the point that we're we -- raising is that. You know this administration is spending right now. If you add up the 93 million from the Mets opened under eighteen plus for sixteen million in unspecified. This spending 275. Million dollars. In undocumented people almost -- billion. -- taxpayers. Will pay a tax guru like yourself who could do this I'm not receive in this. And that's exactly what while raising these issues is. Providing services to residents and taxpayers of Massachusetts. Is where our tax vote ought to be don't. They ought not to be going undocumented. People in Massachusetts that's exactly the port. What you do the other is that Supreme Court ruling that says everybody has to get the health care they show -- -- the emergency room I mean that -- I mean that's that that's all was going to be a fallback of the Democrats in the Deval Patrick administration right. That's that's the position in the let them tell us what that is the other words if they wanna tell us that how much money that is you know let's be up. Upfront about it how much are they talking about there won't even give us that the production that's good fallback that they use but they refuses to -- the ultimate money that. Are there any Democrats in the legislature who were concerned about this. -- -- -- fact that we've looked across the aisle to get the information there was. People are on the democratic side the opposite information. Shipment of the Leo Ways and Means Committee the chairman of the help health commissioner actually helped us get this for -- so yeah that was those -- bipartisan approach. To get the information on -- so which is got a lot try to always say yeah that was that was that -- -- -- they think they're probably know the answer to this review received any calls from a globe today are they trying to get a follow to the story. -- -- -- -- -- -- Gosh I know I kinda had a feeling that was going to be doing better older look up. I think one more call and we'll let you go Joseph your next with Howie Carr and representative Jim alliance for me and over gore had gel. It's a joke from George -- out. Went door to door with Jimmy lion plat a couple of years ago get elected I Tim. They don't know I have great eight -- I just wanted to say that this is what the legislature. Store it's supposed to be right but it isn't what this is a true. Conservative. True Republican everything. He said going door to door to people he did I'm looking for where the -- the guys like this can imagine trying to pass. Romney care with a guy like -- I think he would still be filibustering. Right now. If they try to get the result. -- all the Republicans and people call themselves conservatives out there you know take outlet in here that this is how you get things done -- Tim alliance. I know I hope the Supreme Court is gonna rescue the rest of the country but I don't know I don't know who's gonna rescue us. Now there are lot of Republicans up value of fighting. On a daily basis opened the -- not like just so happened that. It'll get involved in this particular there's a lot of them it's fighting at the data well the -- And the fact that there's twice as many of -- was there were two years ago I think that probably has something to do with that there's little war. Inclination by the democratic leadership to maybe get on the right side of some of these issues or at least make making via a stab. At getting on the right side. No question as a citizen that is a good group of in the Republican caucus and in a working. Together as a group to try to. Get get a commission and -- as well as well so it's -- not. Mile that the -- whole caucus -- well. On a daily basis. Okay representative lines thanks for being with us and and that thanks for a thanks for doing this and -- like we'll -- get some help for mob both -- members of both parties as you -- as you go forward. -- appreciate it okay thanks misrepresent Jim alliance for -- and over 1877. We'll keep talking about this 1877469432. To them how are.