Why the democrats really lost Wisconsin.

Wow you. The top five -- show brought you by network capital funding corporation your future finance good morning. It is kind of beautiful after all we've been through weather wise. This is truly beautiful nice day going into the sixties and any chance of a shower this afternoon but also chances of sun so right now that's a little bit of sharing that we can know feel good about joining us now Ellis Henican. Ellis Henican from the Fox News Channel and other punditry places around the universe here to talk to us about the amazing wonderful exciting. Dynamic trans formative historical election in Wisconsin yesterday how are you -- So why are you are still bummed out -- I don't know why you would this is to market is what democracy is like pat Ellis -- Todd as you know I grew up in Louisiana to democracy in action is a can be 828 solar that I. Yeah exactly so they were chanting. Those union thugs fifteen months ago when they took over the capital and creatures -- -- -- those people mobilized by the union to go out and do damage. And they went in to -- in repossess that capital and they were chanting this is what democracy looks like and you're right it's a double edged sword. So it immediately it was a home losing elections is a drawback it's a whole lot more -- to win but but the governor was very gracious in his speech last night. They bought you know he's got to make choices in life and I would say that the politics of this clearly a big people organized labor. For example -- to see where people to listen. You know that doesn't mean we feel like Obama. Is that in the religiously like old stuff that the Google wants to do. But you know we don't like to recall the labor and had the chance to deliver the bustle when I got the money managed to I don't think that's completely irrelevant. You mean you think this was a result of superior resources on the part of Republicans. Why Obama can't believe that money matters in politics not to get the outs -- -- opponent what was it 821 of the like that. I think that you shoot some advantage is I'm gonna but the ironic that in the whole thing on an item you know that the -- to the right candidate in the Pacific they might have been better -- better off of one of the others. But it's -- -- a message obviously the the Obama campaign which is likely. With these super -- be way at outspent you -- most of you don't want the Big Apple probably that he did. Well that's true but you know the president had a lot more money last time around -- hitter and I've not heard a great lament over the I don't think it was a even a key factor would considering all the free media he got. I don't know that the paid media was of much consequence. Well -- -- -- true then why is much fox com the colleague called rule working so harder why don't always brutally rich guys right it's such -- -- quietly since he's been actually typical guy. And I'm not denying it makes a difference but the flip side of that is of course if you got the wrong message. You can pounded out was as much money is he wanting and you don't actually necessarily gain traction so. That that you you can read about and there are there are the leader corpses of rich guys who ran for office and failed to prove that not I think you read about. So -- what what's more interesting to me is that you you would assume based on history. That it's not possible to stand up to the unions the way Scott Walker did in -- strip away rights the way he did. And get away where that in in this kind of situation normally unions dominate the organization so that's one of the great things Democrats bring to the table. That is not monetary on its face and that is their special relationship with -- organized labor. So you have the full effect of -- mobilize labor which has the best ground game in the world the Democrats and they were out ground game that's where I think the difference was Republicans were organized and fired up but they delivered on the ground. Yeah I mean I think that's right heat it's also true that how to -- that it would part of history you're looking at. And if you look at public union membership today its way. Lower than it was twenty years ago I expected following -- -- fast -- In Wisconsin children especially Wisconsin where they took away the automatic -- They are back deduction and and it shows how this thing is a fixed deal. This whole union relationship Richard -- the public employees is fixed by these laws that were arranged in order to force unions. On to the people. But I mean that the same concept to -- of the democracy human which is bracing moment ago a work place. Both to the union the union -- that -- those people they can they can vote now if they want at age he immediately -- -- don't have. After support -- in concept that we get all light year. Of employees having any power in this relationship. Well how can you though endorsed the idea forcing somebody to Scioscia and hold an instinctive level I never and to -- like our first radio job. And then I came to see media tell me I had to -- unionized that I don't want to. And he said you have to those of the -- now that to me is inherently un American and unconstitutional. And it it's only because there's this fix in for unions. That everybody ignores that reality. What but I mean it's about the same as for the tax collector -- -- -- it's just talk and you don't wanna pay these taxes but. You know we voted these things came through profit democratic process season this is part of the responsibility of being a member of the. Just saw so we just -- you're saying taxes are unconstitutional just like you know. Well but but that's I'm saying this is unconstitutional which would preclude a vote overruling it. Yeah but let me all every one of these -- right and let's not be any good unions and eighties -- the sentinel. But every one of them is voted in by a majority of the workers there and -- we want you to represent us in relation. Some people get to say that all I'm saying is I think it's unconstitutional. For me to be forced to hire are represented of that some other people. For -- I think -- and I don't think there's any part and other part of American life for people would stand for. In the moment thing coming to call and it went to those kind -- particularly you join a team -- the coach makes oppressive decision because those are all -- do you think. You don't want as a voluntary decisions you don't have to go to that school except with the government schools I know but we we want -- them now. Ellis Henican is here on the Fox News Channel so tell us -- unions and thanks a it's appropriate that we be forced to join the so let's may take your democratic argument the membership in unions in Wisconsin I think has gone down to -- to about 13 of what it was before. Because of one simple change and that is the automatic deduction. Was removed in the Scott -- reforms. That is democracy in action it seems to me so if what you want is for in the majority to rule. How -- -- -- the majority has liberty. And with that liberty they say LSU couldn't take your unions and you can. -- -- Look at what I'm OK with people saying we don't want union -- But because of the realities of economic life. If you make. Nurses and school teachers and ambulance drivers. Negotiate wanted to kind that there employers you can see which is seen in Wisconsin which is seen in Boston a lot of places. Which is the wages they hardworking people make their slice and apply. It can actually can -- in trying to get that they cannot organize -- you know it's big delegates -- weak link in the election where they can improve you know that really true. Well it depends on what you mile -- less than last what's happened last month it. What's happened in let's that's it is that they are no longer the privileged class who have a cozy relationship with the ruling structure. And are able to -- that ruling structure into giving them deals that nobody else wants. Sort of restriction of power business guys are good things don't say that. Contraris. I want to have at all no I don't wanna have it all wrong -- when there's a problem let's fix it but I think the unions have become a bigger problem. And then the the problem they solved who's gone along time ago but the problem. 'cause we talked we gonna focus on we are always income is these days trying who's got the pot. Yeah. At -- Goodman and well what is give us of what the problem. Oh I don't think you eat -- I understand arguments and and some of them have some kind of you know rhetorical appeal to the but in the -- we know what happened. It twenty years in this country right now and unions have decline in the -- few people in them techniques law to change its much tougher for you incidents. As unions have declined. More and more in common more more than wealth is in if you are if you were into the first call that's not good for us all right on that game I don't know. If it's true -- certainly at that shift has taken place but second that shift isn't is is being guided by forces. -- are. Way different then the union forces. Most ships aren't guided by huge changes in the economy and the one world sort of economy that everybody has been fighting for let's take a call David you're on W -- at Ellis -- I did -- They try -- stated. Question what else. If you -- unions. Or these people relate OK. Got out of Egypt and that there's X. -- there's a couple that considered drastic tropical constantly at war. In these people actually thought OE. -- -- -- -- -- All I'm real law or is it because you don't like we didn't X all the money that they were quiet -- -- it's one. Oh I would I'm not defended every year it's similar look. And I don't sick about you well I -- -- that -- have been very good reason for that. I mean -- huge loss to change which make it much talked with the unions organized. The politics he shifted -- plus. Plus plus and not just wanna -- those that we would like US people you wanna pay tax is that we'll tell you know. This is but this is supposed to be something that brings a big benefits of you to say to somebody if you give me 300 dollars a year on any news thousands of dollars -- benefits. Then you wouldn't expect them to be walking away. Gleefully from the table like no it's -- don't -- -- we're beyond. Two thirds of them have departed the unions since they got the right to do that that's democracy in action I think right Brian your RKO and Ellis Henican -- -- -- they've got a port. -- -- orbit vote you know Big Apple. The situation in which are what strictly wasn't -- Price -- be in they can fight for everything they deserve what they get people actually stop paying it you know I've -- The as well. The. Brian have you know that's what's coming next right I mean also walker in the billions wanted to do. It's changed the rules involving organizing in maintaining and financing those products that he can do exactly the same thing that. Well my -- I met Ellis sat watching Betty Betty. It's unfortunate was in you haven't been right -- -- He's very nice he's a very Protestant man. He really is Ellis thanks Serbian -- today you'd agree more and our entirety incidental Ellis second from fox and he writes for Newsday. And he's a big liberal. And Brian is right he's never write about it that so how do you feel about the that the union situation this was a rebellion against unions in Wisconsin. And the unions yelled and screamed and cried on the floor and stomped their feet and hit with their fists. And they lost John -- RK RI. Hey John. Push about their country. In the combat in union -- Tax credit. Talk about apple. Government or -- we see on the -- government. -- going hypocrisy being irritable only union that sit there and it is awfully lot and then come back there. June the body of the employees as a that your vocal critics argue you're gonna pay off the charts are by his. Example where our public employee. Up until Scott Walker caught in the act if it. Martin met the week there -- awful all these. There health insurance benefits for our way in were caught -- what I thought boy. Want Scott Walker took over is now private insurance Abbott opts out pretty well why are what they say. Great or one of the collective bargaining is the there -- -- out in the sport what. I recovered for people in my health insurance plan -- -- by -- -- I would app I don't buy it for are. Wait so it's a war against mr. -- -- -- -- content that caught up in all of your. It's only war on men we have to start fighting back -- good morning -- -- -- According to. Work in -- -- environment or not you can argue it both -- -- that haven't worked in the chart -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- How can they possibly negotiate. We -- particular industry in particular took. What we think back to the -- that unions have promoted forty hour work week. Predicted that maybe Egypt. -- Intervention that -- that they inflate the -- That it that it patent agents to -- without suspecting. -- a simple setting. An impact -- what you took the eat any ball. The other sweat shot if you go back but I would ask you know what's the most recent thing like the forty hour work week. That unions have achieved give us something you can point to in the last 304050. Years. In the last ten years in last five years if you -- are still vital part of we've had such big ships go on. And we now are at such a different place so I can understand if I was working a 10 sweatshops -- get abused. Or yeah you look at the factories in China or some other Third World countries yeah I understand he need a mechanism. To give workers more power but I think we can all look at the unions now jail. And say the power that they have when they are operating the way they wanna cooperate. He is not productive there's too much power on their side of the equation. Well and print it I realized that. The union membership in the network a couple of -- engine practical work total electorate out there but. I'll let you think that the there's a level playing directory. I mean they're they're -- struggle that be when you think -- It can't even in the picked the administration's term environmental protection agency's clean water lately so they want that. Bring it. Britain -- -- -- -- that people that -- like this group. I don't I've got to cut you off because you -- connections are so bad joke but what you're really saying is we need push back against the power of business I never understood why. We talked this. Responsibility. Of government regulation right. We have regulatory agencies that control the treatment of workers in the workplace. And control environmental concerns why is this third party -- organization needed. Two funnel money -- ended then operate to its own drummer I don't get that. Listen to this tax from 508 at 68680. Unions are only necessary for bad employees and unskilled labor. Are you in agreement with that 6172666860. 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