Elizabeth Warren: She walked uphill to school every day - both ways.

We've got lots of new material for you today that last clip you just heard Elizabeth Warren. Declaring any YouTube video you gotta love YouTube -- you that she was the first nursing mother ever to take the bar examine the state New Jersey. And that's and people have been taking -- bar in New Jersey for since 1895. So that women and white hating women are women not that women's. So it's -- Warren is a very first. Nursing mother ever to take the bar and a hundred years right. So that's a pretty unbelievable claim that I believe -- Warren's campaign is now trying to head that us say what he didn't really mean. She was she was speaking in general that's that that's a thing of people do when they want to say yet it wasn't really true they say they're saying it was a composite or she was speaking in general. Obviously Warren is gonna have another problem getting out of this one after all the Cherokee stuff which is still going on by the way and later on the show. We're going to be talking to a Cherokee genealogy as to his very upset. And Elizabeth Warren and the claims that she is a Cherokee and wants an apology and wants their route to put things straight. There's now -- FaceBook page. That. That's dedicated to this. Getting Elizabeth Warren to. Sort of come clean -- Cherokee heritage we're going to be talking to her. Pretty soon but. We ought to talk to you about what you think about this latest Elizabeth Warren stuff I know you and I know you're out there and that you're scratching your heads once again. A number is 8774694322. To call and Elizabeth Warren hired our question by the way our poll question by the way of the day is. Should or will the Democratic Party replace Elizabeth Warren with somebody else now that this looks like a possible train -- Even the globes Wayne and not today once again questioning the story so. The story continues to have legs and Elizabeth Warren is not just gonna be able to say. I'm not gonna answer anymore questions -- we're gonna keep pressing -- on obviously and as more YouTube clips come up I'm sure gonna have plenty of more material going on. 8774694322. Is our number of course is the -- line which will be breaking into -- shortly yet so it's 617. 779. 3469. This is Joseph -- thought I'm filling in for Howie Carr and we're talking right now about Elizabeth Warren our favorite topic of course. Which is this the latest ridiculous. Video of her that's come out which is really you know a kind of offensive to a lot of people especially women. Who have you there's plenty of women out there who have had to hold down a job. Take a bar exam while they had an infant while they were nursing why is Elizabeth Warren saying she's the only one like Cecil special. A little offensive I believe Jason your next with Joseph -- -- on how -- car. Did you outrageous. Where oil actually trying to patient -- debate -- -- and let him know. I don't know she took the I'm not sure you know that she really can't explain now. I I I I assume she's means Cuba's nurse scene at the time not maybe not the exact times he was taking the bar exam maybe that's what he -- I don't know. -- that Iraq era at thousands -- display explain it a thousand times in the Procter. Well of course he is gonna have to waited a thousand times now -- he's running now for US on it right. And maybe we can practice I tracked down the proctor as well. To find out that's the -- got -- president quite aside I mean. We don't know if she was actually doing -- the question more is she's claiming that she was the only -- ever in the state of New Jersey to do it. So there's development at all. A. Thousand times that's that's even more of a stretch to say that she was doing it while she was taken the bar exam. Maybe it's true I don't know the worst certainly got -- honor campaign right now is basically. Doing a rope A dope once again as they do as they have been with the Cherokee issue and the I had things like Jason. 8774694322. The latest a problem for Elizabeth Warren a video and from I believe last year -- she was making a -- wasn't that long ago. But her saying she was the only nursing mother ever to take the bar examine New Jersey. Perhaps she was it public school teachers going to law school with with one little and -- spent a summer on Wall Street my second summer all of law school. Taking the train until I remember how serious I felt I -- gonna train with all these man. She had to try and train into law in them into it to -- We're living in New Jersey. And down I got pregnant my third year in law school graduated from law school enormous. And didn't take John if he shouldn't get a job if you preparedness. And down. I thought that the three years it's been in law school. Work on I stepped off a career track at Korea -- -- that was really not open to women. And I thought I given at all because I was now going to be home with two babies. And done. A winning hand took the bar exam I was -- the first nursing mothers to take a bar exam. In the state of New Jersey try explaining that a thousand times. To the proctor is. We're gonna try to lag you're gonna have to try to explain that a thousand times now to the media until others Elizabeth Warren that was the YouTube clip of forgiveness speech a year ago. -- she was getting some kind of a reward ANC made this claim about nursing while she was taken the bar exam that's one thing. They also saying that he was the only one which of course we have learned women haven't taken the bar exams and 1895 is that really true sandy that. The well well I don't I'm not all I'm asking you that. That women could not get a job if you were pregnant this is 1970s. It's not like him in 1950s. I believe that that's not true either you know there's anyone out there who were working. And pregnant and had a baby and nursing at the same time so -- think that's a little -- -- I'd love to hear from some women out there. Who have had similar experiences were trying to work while you're raising a little kid this is a tough thing. And not everyone is a Harvard law professor right now Jim you're next with -- and found on Howie Carr. -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm 62 years old then. You know rather conserve and conservative when it comes at politics draw a long time I've iGoogle or immigrant rhetoric came -- But. It is -- -- it is so nice it is so nice to see a left wing rebels screw up left and right. He used the Republicans doing it right. -- -- -- -- -- -- I think it's -- -- -- to step aside it -- campaigns pushing its Eric is they might be wise is the kind of step aside let Warren get out of this herself. -- -- -- where we're asking -- for fact that the poll question of the day do you think -- -- -- it will come. This bad that they -- Democrats will have to replace Elizabeth Warren. On the ballot and run some TLC and Scott Brown. -- well you do. And -- I don't have much time. Well they don't have much time they should have to make a decision pretty soon because it's it's you know to -- Democratic Convention is next week there is another Democrat running. -- the Franco but I don't think the Democrats really want her to wind sees she's way far to left of Elizabeth Warren. So I don't think that would be best strategy thanks leper colony and Jim. 8774694322. Run job that -- filling of for how we covered talking. Elizabeth Warren -- latest claim to fame rich you are next with Japan -- -- -- -- OK -- Broad collar and many picture it was there and she'd say which if -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Procter and I don't. She did it pumping or expressing during these. I literally nobody even think about those details but -- Yeah. Rightly or crime or not. My one other question one question what you want to take the -- the Wall Street it's exactly yeah exactly I mean -- all these things -- it's not that unusual to be able not to take the train. You actually have to get a job like -- pregnant or work why you haven't had spent so there are taken advantage. I don't get that. A lot of people on get a that's that's why I think Elizabeth Warren right now is is having so much problem because. There are these inexplicable. Comments that he's making in the Cherokee -- that make no sense and she's not addressing them. And I believe at some point she's going to have to address them because the questions are just going to linger. The only way she can put it aside is maybe after this Democratic Convention is over. Maybe she can give a few interviews to friendly media I'm not sure but she has to take care of this problem. Pretty soon this latest video it. Media is earlier. More now -- out there isn't it you know there's a few but even the friendly media like the glow over asking questions about this though. And it is gonna have to deal with his rich thank you very much for the call 18774694322. On Joseph -- -- Mary you are next on how we car show. I am -- I'm listening -- -- wanted to get an example like rock and -- you know map yet. I predict that most of my satellite practically it are crap. Late forty hmm I'm you know medical. Talk about male domination yup so I mean respect it. Yet like any yet -- an -- Eat eat eat very well a lot. At what age you retired and op Ed though a lot of women out there and it will say -- wait for you Aetna Life. This -- yeah thank you missiles on 1970s. Don't forget where it's Elizabeth was talking about things weren't exactly you know -- back and it backwards back then you know wasn't the fifties authorities of the thirties -- of the seventies after the sixties sort of feminist movement starred. And I went to grad school act cop an Ivy League school were pregnant when I start it. Early eighties Nolan set up a little I had to do all these lecture him on I was eating and you know what. You can't deal. That's just what people do and you know make it to make it out like your special or something I think. And it's a it's a great -- I'm not I'm not I'm not downplaying it but I don't think you should make it out like you're the only one who's ever had to do it. Absolutely. Thank you that there aren't that great take you -- could hear from women out there because they face a lot of my mother had six kids in nine years and she worked at the same time she was probably constantly nurse and I wanna think about debit. You know it's a top job out there and certainly Elizabeth Warren is not the first one she had two kids and then ended up going to. To be a law school professor -- a lot better opportunity than most people out there. Any are next with Joba and -- how -- car show. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You know I'd really into it and I think that war on. Her. Mother was at cherry. Well over their eyes ears. Her life right way and I like that blows my mind that point and it's what the number and the national and you know that. I appear to -- you call her and not think I actually liked. So now like it like the worst thing in the world -- cheaper I think I let her two children -- I've worked I had cute kid. I work root beer children child they want gates here but I never. -- am -- here. That I had better because I went to work and they not. That's incredibly insulting thing does does it you know I'm like when -- that how many I am I'm out there -- can't used -- -- home with their children. Because it -- in the interest of their children. I gotta be like. Right. Argued and why you have to stay active day. Do you think any this is our poll question today do you think that Democrats are going to eventually replace Elizabeth Warren. Are they stuck with there. I think it what -- I don't see going on around her out I think they feel like they might have a shot at winning man. I think the poll numbers look like Scott Brown behind -- personally think it's a really accurate it again there's multiple ample. He'll announcing I don't know people it's showed her ahead but there's no -- -- showed showed them -- those lies she's up there tied with Scott Brown. Then they're probably gonna stick with their I agree unless there's some other things that come out that are even more of a problem for her. But they are gonna stick -- they have to stick whether they don't have anybody else out there right now and maybe Martha Coakley is waiting in the wings who knows -- you're probably better right now. Scott Brown carpet or your term. And and and it. Because one in and -- Ricky -- and an error on why. But the reality. Hurry up and she and hopefully -- -- that. She's not a politician right that's. Right. Not this is the problem. We see it every time he opened up and wanna -- at. Well they are urged to aren't really it. This is the problem first prime candidates as we discussed before thank you very much for the call by the way. This is the problem with -- -- -- candidates is they look great on paper -- actually have to campaign and talk and explain things in the past. Doesn't look so good 18774694322. I'm Joey back joked that felt substituted for how we car Eric you are next on the Howie Carr show. Oh yeah big W. That. That that it'll. Elizabeth Smart. Probably. Beat -- in the. As Bob follows in diet and it keeps the meat markets. I don't know about that I do now that you know -- claim does not appear to be credible. Whether she is Megan Joker I don't know of people seemed to take it as somewhat seriously when -- when you say things like that. Their campaign is obviously aware of that believe their statement was something the effect of while. She was this is actually the quote from her campaign about that statement that he may have -- the first nursing mom quote Elizabeth was making eight point eight. About the very serious challenges she faced as a working mom. From taking an all -- bar exam when she was still breast feeding defining work as a lawyer. That would accommodate a mom with two small children so she was making a point in other words it wasn't true. That's what that's what you say one when confronted with that she was making a a bigger point wasn't talking about. Specific details. -- wonder people are gonna buy that again or the campaign's gonna have to go on lockdown again. 18774694322. This is Joseph bat I'll Marty and -- -- -- car show Japan -- 808 orchard are concerned most your constituents and Massachusetts -- mark that Herb -- inability to -- are a few hours each. Michael -- but were they old -- miserable. And maybe she's lacks command of the English language because she's -- launched on it. Speaking church you a -- that I was probably yet so it's a tough language to mass there. While I mean you think you're you're the first woman to be able to Buick thing on a planet first mastermind and the English language. -- I don't know it's a breath a little thing where season as the nervous in front rows of from the press but that was in front of the press that was the speech she was giving. So she does seem to hesitate a lot when she speaks not in not the most confident manner he liked the. -- and it. If not speaking and it all that manner it certainly doesn't think too much about the strength in your progression of the -- there or are you. Right in nine especially nine debate she's gonna have to debate Scott Brown or email me in trouble -- recently used to. Or her opponent -- the -- a that's a big question now is will the Franco get on the ballot obviously he doesn't really have a chance to win. But right now but it would be injures the of the Democrats tried not -- campaign try to keep her off the ballot she only needs 15%. Of the delegates vote and Europe I don't think they wanna deal with the primary opponent with all the -- stuff they're dealing with I don't think they wanna deal with an opponent. Beating down asking Elizabeth Warren questions and debating her the next three months they wanna focus on Scott Brown but. Thank you -- -- point Marty this is Joseph bat pod filling in for how we carted their number's 1877. 4694322. In the true spirit of how we we are of course talking about Elizabeth Warren. It's -- latest video I don't know -- played against Santa for people who haven't heard that tell what you said about going to loss to taking a bar exam. All spent a summer on Wall Street my second summer home of law school. -- taking the train I -- I remember how serious I felt I'm gonna train with all these men. To ride it into law in them into. It's an -- We're living in New Jersey. And John I got pregnant my third year in law school graduated from law school enormous. And didn't take -- because -- get a job if you were pregnant. And down. I thought that the three years I spent in law school. Were -- I stepped off a career track her career track that was really not open to women. And I thought I'd given it all because there was no going to be home with two babies. And on a winning hand took the bar exam I was on the first nursing mothers to take a bar exam. In the state of New Jersey try explaining that a thousand times. To the -- Tonight is not a she'd only the first woman to be nurse scene while taking a bar exam she is also the first woman apparently did take the train into New York in the 1970s and a train full of men because of course this is. Like them you think this was a mad -- era of the sixties when women were just secretaries but. As -- apparently was the only one on the train and carpal man in the 1970s I don't quite get that. And this is Joseph bad thought we're -- about Elizabeth Warren and I I do have some a little breaking news not shocking but very interesting to me. Governor Deval Patrick has just endorsed. Elizabeth Warren. Which people may say well of course he's a Democrat but this is important because it's a few days before this Democratic Convention. We're obviously there's a lot of people out there wondering whether Warren. Warren's opponent reset to Frankel will actually be able to get on the ballot. So this may be assigned that did the Democrats are a little worried I think about Elizabeth Warren in the party. If they're getting Deval Patrick to endorse -- -- right now before it's pretty unusual for governor to endorse a Democrat won when she is still sheer dollar he is still a primary fight. Governor is saying the governor's -- announcement of of course Doug Rubin who is the advisor for Elizabeth Warren is the also Levis super. Patrick to no big surprise there. Do you think Democrats -- panic -- at this point will they. Try to still keep Elizabeth Warren mount this to me signals that they are worried. 18774694322. Joseph your next with Joseph Maddon felt. How are you -- It looked like columns that I had him on TV -- it could be back on the radio thanks autumn I grew up in -- play. Yeah in the in the seventies -- -- are -- in the back in the woman's name on the -- if you want to get -- you'll. Off off the air isn't that by duke football called yeah but that was a wonderful woman. Lip injury playing two of the that triple Decker. The entire -- fairly which was her husband. In there and her kids. Fourteen kids. Seek triple local school every everybody -- would go to that school just about. At one of the kids it's a classic. Somewhere between the seventh in the eighth grade -- company. Child. Went to law school. She's an attorney. In shift fourteen -- What year was this one was this. Well. Had a baby -- that I -- seven and I eat it in my mind I just wanted to Peru. -- bought two weeks ago and oh wonderful wonderful wonderful lady and -- everybody you know. Identity if you want to appear to get your daylight or whatever probably -- Maybe what could be given to San Aaliyah but -- every point is relayed that there's a lot of stories out there like -- of women struggling. Trying my mother did the same thing trying to raise kids you raise six kids while trying to work as well. So a lot of people have this story and Elizabeth Warren seems to be sort of saying that in the 1970s. This was some ground breaking thing went back women have been doing this for a long time. And seems to be a little bit of an embellishment there from the Warren campaign. 18774694322. -- he can texas' 686 AD. And downward going to be talking a lot more about Elizabeth Warren coming up this is Joseph bat fouled and how we card show. All right welcome back this is -- bad thumb hosting for how we are today it was not the case shattered the breaking news. Governor Deval Patrick has just endorse Elizabeth Warren. Percent at 89 usual moved. For the governor. To do when there's another candidate in the race. He actually had said before that he wasn't going to -- endorse anybody before the primary thing here is a few days. Before the Democratic Convention. Endorsing Elizabeth Warren that tells me Democrats are worried about Elizabeth Warren. And they wanna get together and hopefully hold less in the next few days in this convention and keep where we sit there frank go off the ballot hoping to hear from -- a little later. This is Joseph van -- and I said we're talking about Elizabeth Warren. And in case you also haven't heard there's a new YouTube -- out of Elizabeth Warren talking about. How she was the first nursing mother ever to take the bar exam in the state of New Jersey. And that of course is ludicrous because women have been taking the bar for a hundred years in New Jersey so we kinda doubt that is the case. It's 774694322. What do you think what do you think is Deval Patrick endorsed -- and what do you think do you think Democrats are. Actually considering not having Elizabeth Warren on the ballot to running at Scott Brown tenure next with Joseph -- felt. On -- how it thank you. You people -- -- so eclectic duck right away she mentioned outright outraged that -- And a roll -- train pulled man she said likes it was the only woman in a train. Well I can't answer any ethnic group that our problems. The interest and knowledge to the group -- addressing. Because coaching and she emphasized that it -- with -- -- com. I believe it or is in Chicago. I think in front of it's called the Chicago humanities festival. Whatever that is that's where she has speech it was in February 2011. Before she had started running for senate. I'm not sure why exactly she was speaking but its interest seen you know that don't like you said there was a lot of laughter when she made the comment about nursing moms -- As we talked of people obviously there's a lot of women out there who are offended by that because there are struggling to they have they have to raise kids all there have a job while they may be taking exams for college for law school. This is not the first time a woman has had to a struggle through this. Elizabeth Warren seems to be acting like this is like she's like the first one who's ever had to do this. Yeah -- at the front right result out yet. Or well. If you saw her positions you might -- -- supporter but denies she's very she's wait to left even of Elizabeth Warren which is why exactly Democrats do not. Want her. Running against Scott Brown does she would probably lose but on the other hand you know public notes are. We had -- rodeo action there are a lot there are a lot of Democrats out there who who wish Elizabeth Warren. Has it had taken more liberal viewpoints on things but -- I don't think is enough dissatisfaction out there. Right now because Democrats -- -- off the train in practice Democratic Convention coming up I guarantee the Democrats and the Patrick organization are going to try. You do anything they can to keep their Franco off the ballot they don't want to debate her four times they don't want her. Questioning Warren's story about a Cherokee heritage -- time. They wondered is the focus on Scott brown and she will be able to do that so be very interesting to see what happens this weekend and see what the reaction is. To the governor's endorsement which I believe is going on. Right now and in Boston -- can thank you very much recall. 18774694322. On Joseph Maddon felt this is how we car show on Stephanie you are next. -- Like mentally ill patient and then she's tired like and it -- -- IQB. I can't which block a lot of bullet -- and the storyline that bring out. Yeah I mapped out. Pretty Big -- captured get my vote. Are you are you an independent our republic that. He had repeatedly on the quality there -- you -- and -- -- feedback and have to go like Burmese -- 18774694322. In this as you know bad militarily here next on how -- cars show. -- -- And beat UC police surprised about our characters is acting Elizabeth Warren. I'm not I'm not shocked but I do think the timing is interesting because he had said before he wasn't going to endorse a candidate before the primary that's traditionally. What governors do or people empowers and Democratic Party they're not gonna. Say. Back one particular candidate another 'cause it's a democratic primary fight. Not surprise now that he's done this interested in the timing. Well I mean you know. There aren't running a little -- warrant is a Obama. -- And what is Deval Patrick. And -- Stormy your call and and it's our European security -- would -- people why a right from the goal with governor. Some would say by the way Obama is the puppet of Deval Patrick that he he was actually around before Obama the go ahead. Well who has what it is intermediate campaign manager something or Obama. He's one of the campaign. From the same all of it right when you know going to join you for a quote broken and normally but the result yeah. It's a great voice you know this idea yeah let's well as nice adults you know the -- open -- -- While the question as we wait do you thing I mean obviously second again behind Franco will come a point where Democrats. Stay on Elizabeth might might might. You know bail this race gets them -- even if Martha Coakley is looking pretty right now in the polls the polls show it's even. With brown I think there's lot of problems here that's gonna blogger for months on the campaign she dresses them. Thank you very much for calling it Charlie 187746. Port. Number. Of course -- choke line which were going to be listening too little while to be fun. 617779. 346. Like I'd like a year few people I've tried their best at Elizabeth Warren. Impression for the -- line that's my request and throw one of and there. Because she seats at the -- a lot during her speeches and they're meant so. Sort of Kennedy yes Wednesday in the it's. -- -- next with a bat out cars. -- -- -- I think this is good because I think byte up at that door that -- they are desperate. I do like I do it's I think it's it's a sign that there it's not desperate definitely concerned. Below really breaks out of the army -- it was I am not but I a late -- I would thank. -- it's they do push warrant true like they want to write it there was you there was this there'll be more. It'll just probably be the tip of the iceberg I think these little things. It even you know even. People's -- are gonna -- raise their eyebrows and orgies. I think they are I think are even Democrats -- privately tell me that you know there -- is going on over there. An -- well never say it publicly but I guarantee that thanking. Now I you know I don't agree with both Scott Brown's votes. Because he happily took some that were. You know raise eyebrows on the conservative side -- he knows -- going to be a politician so I think he really is gonna chapter a lot of the middle ground. You know even a conservative Democrats futuristic conservatives -- all the conservative Democrats that don't like -- useful like people like pollute the Arctic are all in note stand RT. And I think -- give it. All out the in west rocks Spurrier talking about where if you abilities to sell rock South Boston west rocks were in Boston. You'll find a lot of Scott Brown signs and their all Democrats. The question is though -- Scott Brown has the wind a lot of independents and Democrats the way because it's so lopsided in the state. He needs -- -- at least 60% probably 65% of independents to win the election. Well -- well and I think it's I think it's the beginning it -- -- -- reflect struck out. Thank you very much for college and by the way there we're going to be talking as soon to be leader of a new. Movement it's there and it's a unveiled a new blog demanding that Warren tell the truth about her Cherokee heritage. The woman who started the blog who's questioning Elizabeth Warren will be with us coming up in a few minutes and it's it's it'll be interesting to hear about what kind of reaction. They're getting. From the story and this is this is -- not even dealing with the -- YouTube thing about her. Talking about -- the only nursing mom to take the law exam this is more just about her again refusal to answer a lot of questions. About 21 a you know why she claimed herself as a Cherokee and native American -- in the law school so. Intel C answers that question satisfactorily. I think these things are gonna continue to come up. And are rich -- are next with Joseph -- fell on how we car show. Eight accurate. I mean I just what's in the whole thing with her resist that you know she's doing a tremendous disservice to lot of women. You know my mother's generation my mother's 86 years old. You know she want to depression she went from World War -- should want to Korean War that went to Vietnam war in and we want to the Cold War crisis and all the other crisis that brought wants. It was the women of my mother's generation that paved the way women like Elizabeth warrant and now Elizabeth want to come back and -- pull shenanigans that she's -- It's just it's such a slap in the face all the women that it worked you know very very very very very. I agree and that's why -- like some women the way in this in on this too because you know we like to know what you're struggles were what you had to do when you were raising kids and try our ends meet -- a lot of people out there who didn't have the same opportunities that Warren did. As far as going to law school her husband. Was also a professor to. So it's -- it wasn't exactly like alike and a struggle for her. To get through but again it's not I'm not demeaning. Her and you know what you want to -- like -- including your mother including my mother's 92. Who raised six kids who had to go through a lot in a lot more than that -- can tell you that right now. Thank you very much for cholera it's 187746944322. We're going to be talking a lot more about Elizabeth Warren this is Joseph -- found on -- -- cars show. Welcome back this is Joseph baton fouled hosting -- Howie Carr show how -- car is off. And fortunately too because we have lots of good material. For Elizabeth Warren right now on Elizabeth Warren race. Governor Deval Patrick is just endorse Elizabeth Warren may not look sound too shocking. But the timing of it certainly is very interesting coming just a few days. Before the big Democratic Convention gathering in which she you know the party activists will get together. And not have to decide whether to keep. Elizabeth Warren's democratic opponent -- de Franco on the ballot she needs to get 15% of the vote. -- out to meet this tells me that Democrats are a little worried about Warren right now. And they need to -- up heading into this convention probably to keep trying keep to -- off the ballot. Where at 18774694322. This is Joseph baton fouled on -- Howie Carr show. Trap or Trevor I believe it is here next with Joseph -- felt. Yeah I agree that that Warner and tribal I'm not surprised at all by her actions. I mean she left Winger regardless of what you'd say. She spent three years following the democratic. Radiology. Group dictum that. -- identity politics amongst groups. And it's gone so far now amongst the people that it's not even enough to be for the group's normalcy -- the -- Operations assimilating. Very tough for us thank you very much the call we're gonna have a lot more Elizabeth Warren coming up we've got. The head of a new website that's demanding that Elizabeth Warren tell the truth about her Cherokee background. While Barnes will be joining us and we'll have a lot more this is Joseph bad --