Avi Nelson - Ted Kaczynski, Memorial Day, and Romney's VP
Sat, 26 May 2012|
Harvard University alumni attending their 50th class reunion this week are getting updates on classmates, but one person stands out among those sharing news about career moves, retirements and grandkids: Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. In an alumni directory, he lists his occupation as "prisoner" and says his awards are "Eight life sentences, issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of California, 1998." Avi discusses this controversy, as well as discussing Romney's possible VP choice and remembering those who have fallen, for this upcoming Memorial Day.
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You know this is Don Nelson. Welcome to the program. Let -- start with a phone number what you can do it all through the 877469432. Today and that is still brave they -- again on this Memorial Day weekend. Text message code section 8680. Email address. -- Nelson WR KL dot com. Once again the phone number 8774694322. Well it is Memorial Day weekend 90 bit Memorial Day itself this. Not going to be -- Monday but I won't be with you on Monday however speaking of that I will be with you if you like on Tuesday. And schedule to fill in. For how he concerts through seven -- Tuesday afternoon but that's after the fact that somehow after the fact it's. It's old news -- We should take a moment and take a look at Memorial Day. Federal holiday. Observed annually in the United States on the last Monday. Of may. It was formerly known Ashe tomorrow morning used to be golf. You should be called decoration day. And it originated after the American civil war to commemorate the fallen union soldiers of the civil war. It. There was a consortium equivalent dates for the confederacy but that this one was was really for the union forces. And obviously it is evolve over time and now hinge usually. Meant to commemorate. The armed forces people who don't just who have given their -- -- even people who are serving interest in because just the last week. Was to armed forces day. Which doesn't get nearly as much attention. Maybe you should you know course we all know how it's celebrating its psychologically. -- kick off of summer. Although technically that does happen until I know three weeks ended June. -- -- -- The interesting thing is the beginning of this is followed right after. President Abraham Lincoln's assassination in April of 1865. -- or variety of offensive commemoration the first known observance. Memorial Day are the type Memorial Day observance was in Charleston, South Carolina on May first. 1860 I was right after the assassination. Union soldiers. Had been held in the place called Charleston race course she's reunion prisoners of war at least 250 -- Prisoners died there and were hastily buried in unmarked graves. Friedman as they were called is one word FR ED ME and he's a freed slaves. -- of the union dead and decided to honor them together with teachers and missionaries. Election Charleston organized a May -- show morning. Covered by the New York Tribune and other national newspapers. It later became known it was called the first decoration day in the north then later on evolved into full fledged two Memorial Day. Charles and David dim light -- well known historian described it this way. Quoting now this was the first Memorial Day African Americans invented Memorial Day in Charleston, South Carolina. What you have here is black Americans recently freed from slavery. Announcing to the world what they're flowers they're feet and there are songs with the -- a bit about. What they basically were creating was the independence day of a second American revolution. On what. They announced one of the major holidays on the calendar. And gives us a chance to. Pause and reflect. Let you know that she cliche but the reason things become cliches you because they're true -- that freedom is not free. That many people have given their lives. Not in service to this country so that's those of us who are here today can enjoy. What is still despite holy carp beings in the criticisms. And what you'll. Here in the campaign trust him pretty hard ball politics. Some English name so it maybe even from this microphone. But despite all this is still the greatest country in the world the greatest civilization that has ever been produced by man. And it came at a cost. Bluish English civil war to over 600000. Who died in the American civil war and is still to this day. More American deaths in the civil war then and all the other wars combined. Including World War I World War II Korean War Vietnam. All of those who -- more people killed more Americans killed. And and these civil war. So. I don't know this isn't necessarily controversial topic I'm not gonna get into I know in one way of doing this is -- How do you prepare your hot -- shown when you -- -- on Memorial Day I -- Well listen -- go down that route mainly because I'm not very good grilling hot dogs or hamburgers only good eating them. However with the gas prices being lower this says the initiation of of the holiday -- peaks somewhere holiday season. More people taking to the road and make him a crush this interest thing particle. Which is for ways to avoid road rage this holiday weekend. Which might be useful and maybe even that. Your talk show emotion pay attention to it. -- go here the four things you should do if you're on the roadways. And somebody cuts you offered us some thing impolite. Moyer does some deserving of your rage and then. First check your feeling that says. This by the way -- expert coming from and O Dwyer of fresh served psychology of Bard College in the period in the thank you shouldn't the attribution here too the globe staff. Deborah Cox added that this article. Judge your feelings -- perfectly normal to feel moral outrage being cut off. But blinding anger can be sharing this destroy the distraction they could raise your risk of having an action. So. The first thing to do -- just try to keep it in check number two plan extra time to get your destination. Which of course makes a lot of sense. Being a Russian one of the most significant predictors of road rage so Dwyer. And actually think about it. You know when you're cherishing the clock. Emery. Interference every misplayed every person there -- go fast enough -- grounds for anger. Number three give other drivers the benefit of the doubt. No -- think that the only guy may also be lost or played for playing uninsured do something that tragic to. Get a little bit ahead and -- afford distract yourself from the rage. Pushing your favorite tour slush dual book on tape. Talk about something that makes you happy with the other passengers in the cards. In the car. And I found myself thinking really get distracted enough I think -- menace on the road yourself you're not paying attention to you know what you achieved -- Okay so there are four ways that you can. Perhaps a little bit better on the road I would think that the most important of those for me anyway is the planning extra time. Because if you dig and just be comfortable less likely have issue not going to be late for you going. More chance that you have. An opportunity to me a little bit more generous more forgiving with your fellow driver on the road. Actually I was gonna good invention for the car. Would be something where you you know he -- a microphone. In the car and the speaker that's mounted a public car. The blush I -- to actually communicate. With the driver that you -- let -- know how offensive his behavior is or how angry you are. They could talk to directly instead of trying to yell through your window enhancement. They don't have that here. I would show on the air on Thursday afternoon. When Jewish. Hey you more restore but I want to do reprieve on this because there's some additional information and that is. The Harvard University undergraduate class of 1962. Just celebrated. It's fiftieth. Reunion. Now when there are these kinds of reunions the clash usually puts together a book. Minister -- individuals who were in the -- get to write pretty much anything they want. No wonder you're looking back over fifty years. There's some observations that you might have you can just write about unity -- what you saw what you thought what you did do what you didn't do is -- it's where do you like. To get the different perspectives on a clash of most of -- want -- over a thousand back and in the day when they are undergraduates. Well unfortunately for the class of 1962. And one of the people in that class who graduated in backlash. Was fellow named Ted Kaczynski. Who became known. Notoriously. As the unabomber. And always because he was sending around these mail bombs. 23 mail bomb attack she perpetrated be doing. 1978. In 1995 that's pretty long stretch where people an academic like cassettes were in the mail bombs were going. So there when they open their mail with fear because they didn't know there was a letter bomb. Can this guy has some technical background even though we huge technology and wrote a manifesto that affect. Anyway no -- all of these harmless three people were killed 23 injured in the in the mail bomb attacks. Well Kaczynski decide to make a contribution to this book also. And you know what the -- was awards under the category of boards he. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Then under publications he listed his a manifesto the -- 2010. -- are called the technological slavery. Well they published this. Even though some of the people into action a couple of members of the class you had been injured by his. By his terror weapons and give by the -- and caused some controversy. As to whether or not they should have been done. I had -- for one thought he should not have been -- -- -- this guy I think should reaction unit. But he couldn't be there the last thing I want to do is do any thing. Positive for him should he wanted to put this in the book that would have been grounds enough for not doing it. -- -- as it turns out. Has apologized. Because the you know the at least the alumni association. Of Harvard thought it was inappropriate then they issued. An apology this was unknown and this was Thursday the apology came out. For including this crazed bombers. Mocking updated his life has who has put in the -- polo article. But what's interesting here in the reason I bring it up. Is that there were people who defended. Putting in -- and well here's -- -- all we bourgeois. Sounds quite friendship and it. That's what he said after attending. In the she was in the fiftieth reunion clash. It's a question from a freedom of speech he -- Several enough can share whatever they want it doesn't mean I -- -- these opinions which I don't I think he's a monster. No one jolt cone -- and I don't think the apology was necessary but it's a tough call. And here's one Amanda MacKey Smith hyphenated name -- Smith. Also closest 62 all of those days -- -- Harvard which calypso must've been they combined they combined Radcliffe and and Harvard. Taylor she share reduction colder at his actions his kaczynski's actions horrific her word but said. Quote he has rights. You start trying to make rules about who can speak and who can't speak and you just get in trouble on quote. Now what's remarkable to me let's take these two things. First of all bourgeois saying it's a question of freedom of speech -- it is -- What -- with what your freedom of speech means. Freedom of speech does not mean that you get to say anything you want any time you want. And again she get published in -- volume that you want freedom of speech means. But you can speak your mind freely and the government will not come and imprisoned you because you have disagreement with their actions. Now there are certain terms of speech where the government will impression you. You threaten the president of the United States and someone is gonna come by and all you want. And by the way your freedom of speech does not include fraud. People talk about you can't yell fire crowded theater we'll yes -- -- if there's a fire. What they mean you can't yell fire in a crowded theater if there is no fire because you're perpetrating a fraud and cause a riot. But freedom of speech doesn't extend. Tune you're being able to. -- say talk outside your neighbor's window with a bullhorn at 3 in the morning. And it doesn't require that you wherever you want right -- to appear and alumni directory we can argue whether or not. Kaczynski's message should or should not be in the directory but what's remarkable to me. These are these people graduates of Harvard in the world for fifty years and don't understand the concept. This is not a question of freedom of speech. The Harvard alumni have a right to say you're not gonna be able to put the -- explosion actually decided. To get into his head to write about his life. As a profile and try to and writing how wonderful it is to assault children sexually. That should go into the volume two in the name of freedom of speech. If you know you wonder how the -- Harvard education may have been lost on some of them. And then. This isn't Amanda MacKey Smith says he has rights. No he lost the rights that's what happens when you commit murder and UN -- chill. You have right she can't vote for example. He also can't go on a picnic. Reunion of the right of egress. What ridiculously he has rights. And we do plan shall we have passed laws. That's. That you cannot benefit. From your crime -- words opposing Q did -- want to write a book about himself. And sell a million copies. There's a lot of people wanna read it and get rich. Over -- him on his cash -- gonna spend less of life in prison we hope. But people who have committed murder and then get out -- actually passed laws saying you can't benefit from. You can't get bounty from your crime. Of course we restrict people's rights and that's what it means to be convicted felon to being convicted murderer. When I found remarkable here. Issue okay -- that I disagreed whether or not know the motion says Gail Purdue in the book I would go the other way. But it's remarkable here they here a couple people who don't have a big idea. Of the concepts. That applying in this society. And then -- to move bring. Graduates of one of the most. Prestigious institutions. And presumably have a vague idea from the knowledge they out of Harvard what it's about. And beyond that had fifty years of living. So I couldn't resist that we had some interesting take here on. And even something like the unabomber putting material into. The alumni directory. OK you're just joining us. Good afternoon this is on the Nelson and if you would like to join in the conversation the poll numbers -- -- little -- and 4694322. That shift to free the text message code. -- is 686 shady and the email address a Nelson had wrko.com. Okay one text message here I avoid cliches like the play -- mice. -- argues that cliche to avoid the cliche right. We have to take a break we'll be back on the mile shy don't you join us as well filled phone lines -- open to you -- Nelson. Hamas Obama brings us into the next segment of the program welcome back hurt you just joining us welcome around -- Memorial Day weekend. It'll -- have a good holiday. Your phone number 8774694322. Toll free number. Text message code 68680. Home -- will go go lines but just 71. The text message was Ted K meaning Ted Kaczynski part Cherokee to -- well we don't know a -- Kaczynski does sound Cherokee doesn't. We will get to our other part Cherokee. Later in the program. Let's go to the telephone lines 8774694322. -- your first up on the program sanction being the icebreaker welcome. Welcome. You know through world road toward the nationalism. Imperialism. In the and run ground battle between France and Germany in the first four millions died in that battle until the mind. He had gone. Movements. And how many millions of women back and forth back and forth but it is that Italy. Debt battle. Really projected to. Nationalism -- against imperial and there's a. Well as I recalled I was the battle actually that's saved France. If -- Not as they well lose my show full wish. And new Japanese. There we are combat believe that the Germans went behind music pretty glad that social -- went. -- around the Siegfried line. You know I think is a low fat no line and may be run and it in your room on the mound looking -- and -- -- there -- rules during -- I think actually that that Britain and France may have lost more. Shown jurors killed in World War I than World War II. Yeah usually just fun and we don't know much about it now yeah. They didn't it is similar move saying the civil war. 400 need. Over 400000. Diagnose a war. Between knows this State's rights don't try to. There's only government I sent over 600000. To about 625000. Well resistant to erosion in this history on the mind you know and voice that was -- bloodiest battle Airbus. Media and it's. Substance -- don't look peace plan that twelve -- I don't extend made it which would didn't actually end up. Just to remember really -- -- touched him for a noon. And Serbia -- again because Serbia who has grown from nationalism and stand there and was well Austro Hungary which was imperialistic. Milk thank you for calling -- Memorial Day -- the arch duke these referring to of course was that -- pertaining agent that started world war. One when. He was shot and killed him by. The Serbian Nationalists and that should ultimately. Made it that that in of itself didn't provoke too morbid led to a series event of eventually did. Print -- is his name I think. And well known who the whole thing was a remarkable sequence of events that. That led to an enormous carnage what happened in World War I the reason we should devastating. Was that there were. New technologies. With the weaponry had advanced beyond the tactics and then been a major war fought in. In your referred decades. And -- the fashioned way were you just lined -- -- charge like Pickett's charge during the civil war he would line up a whole bunch of people and you just keep marching. Toward the opposing line. Ensuring -- to casualties. But eventually you got through but that's because they were facing single shot guns. With a machine gun you literally could lose every single person in charge. And and yet the generals for the first couple years of the war just kept sending all they'll just go get a -- and and that the casualties were just horrendous. And lasted until 1918 that would change in tactics that's -- invention of the tank came in and of course -- airplane for the first time was used up. -- was extraordinary by the way of keeping score here. The in World War I the United States lost over a 1009161000. And to -- only -- been in World War II was just over 405 fashion. With the Russians by comparison. In World War II. Launched over 22 million. Another include civilians. Desperate but you can imagine. Horrendous that is we remember. The the casualties in the loss of life from world war two and that it's 400 times. Sure you and try to come to grips with what it would be if you were 22 million. And there are no accurate figures as to how many actual people actually die. In World War II but the estimates seemed to range between fifty and 56 million. Enough fire and looked Memorial Day it's at the time to pause for a moment. Just imagine counting one by one to fifty million each one a human being. Like you and me each one -- aspirations. And loves and family. Just count 123. How long does it take the that the 256 million. That's how many people died in World War II. 8774694322. Is the phone number. Robin your next on the program good afternoon. I have a I mean it's really it's staggering number 56 million murder anything if they had the other two broke the. I know you just can't he can't come to grips -- least I can't. Not I know I know the number I can -- -- piece of paper but but to actually comprehended in terms of loss of life. Not -- I mean I'm. -- -- The follow on generations that never happened you know it's it's just I really don't mind boggling yeah but so anyway Charlie -- I was and really like you are the one thing I just -- here you are. -- -- -- So Donald Trump then if he is selected through BP was met thirteen I don't think still the gap that -- currently has. This to you ought to be able from bill while mr. pulled from the independent voters. Over the side. I'll tell you Robin I saw that article that and you think one thing you got -- hand Donald Trump who went from two H is his. The ability to self promote he's out there the looking guys -- very successful financially issues he's a billionaire more than once over. Then he manages to. Nearly insinuate himself into the political process I tell you from I don't think there is the proverbial snowball chance she is lonely cliche. That that they troubled big. And if he is today I think will be a disaster for Romney and we'll tell you why. Look at the narrative that the Democrats are trying to give them with regard to Romney now. Then he says rich guy out of touch where's the common man and you know doesn't care and if you couple him with a -- rich guy. Who are -- seems to be out of touch with most of us don't live the lifestyle Donald Trump. Did you know it's fifty all your Jewish reinforced that narrative in fact that I owe the Democrats know -- Jack Shea look foolish guy cherishes. -- -- and makes his first major decision hey chooses a cloned. The other and Jewish what do you look for -- vice presidential running Iran if you're the nominee. And you have to select the number two. What are you trying to accomplish with them -- two things one he minister credibly be. Able to fulfill the role of a heartbeat from the presidency we can get into a pretty good. Discussion lively -- about whether Biden has made it on that count but that's you know you he can have a joke. That was one of the reasons Palin was a question market of people questions whether she can really present but secondly. You need somebody how she got elected us to bring you. Votes but I'm I'm gonna actually votes -- electoral votes just to bring the state if you can to get him. You to get. To the White House. I don't fund according Franklin Roosevelt pier one said first we must get elected and then we will do great things. And show you need somebody who can deliver votes it's not clear to me the Donald Trump could deliver state. Yeah they're not that's just. Although murdered the who how well he would bet you know almost saying that he got to have a background that that would just be -- -- that. Damn hard I try some other stuff that he's done you know one or Jews and -- both football legally they usually don't. And you know if he deliberately let companies go bankrupt because you know he hit it way it was gonna feathers on that shot I just. Hero he's more entertainer than than she really is vice presidential love then nominate. Yes so are glued to admit to alleged. Yeah well first of all first thing to do is you put a lot of people on the list because. That makes. That makes good contact tried in every state that has a guy on the list thinks so she. Where were being considered. In the final analysis I'm not sure it too short -- and I don't think is the decision should be made right away though she were the where the with a click contest is going you know what states does he need for example he's. Neck and neck in Florida then Marco Rubio who's the sender -- -- -- Hispanic background. Becomes. More of a choice and if it turns out that Romney is leading in Florida by ten points and he doesn't need to pick someone from Florida show. I think there's a little bit of time before should make the decision. This Rob Portman from Ohio again these these -- that are in play we don't know what's gonna happen in Wisconsin. Wisconsin you know used to be democratic but looks like that. That the you know they recall election may go Republican way and if that happens Wisconsin may be in play and so. You know he's been there are these various considerations and I think this we ought to do is just make. Do the alleged that the candidates you know make sure there's nothing in the background as you pointed out. But as with Donald Trump that might cause mischief later in the campaign and then -- don't hold this. Hold this choice for awhile and she what's necessary. -- for a thanks Robin thanks for the well why don't let your. 8774694322. Is the phone number all free this is Memorial Day weekend we hope you enjoy. And the unit text message coaching 28680. Email address and Nelson wrko.com. Okay let's go back to the telephone lines -- next on the program good afternoon. -- being long and are -- I wanted to talk about the big lie. Now I'm endurance are creatures this weekend and actually -- -- know what I'm not good -- and I know that you guys like that. You know during the Reagan administration. You know be better -- spending -- Well eight point 7%. During the Bush Administration better spending look around at least six point seven. Would turn go Bob administration. Percent of blocked. A lot -- -- spending that's a percentage of something what's the percentage. Well well being yet -- Well lost spending package it's probably go. What percentage of what days. 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That bush as not being paid -- -- -- -- out of the bush tax cut -- not -- and I had gone to the got a bit. I did really I'm sure as under the gun -- but. Okay well -- second I had nothing to do -- The president had not been -- -- little -- and bella pending before he got and not say. I'm -- -- there was spending before he got into office. Right back -- -- gonna be a true what colonel. It's important that they'd bought the Medicare -- -- any doubt that they'd block that put Jack got better not FaceBook who know me. You know you know you'll conservatives. That -- -- I want to blame Obama -- -- -- -- -- you know going -- You know about it but I never retract your video up. I Ireland we are shifting ground -- gave. Dave I'm trying to understand what one point you're trying to make. A -- should go -- -- it -- annoy me you mentioned. You mentioned abortion I think you mentioned rig an early on -- -- -- good but Obama was elected by folks like you to solve those problems. And he promised he would. Many say we keep the unemployment below 8% email -- lot of commitment and he's been in office now for more than three years. And so we have to judge him not aren't what he inherited but what he's done with the inheritance. Okay I debate what happened now you know and the -- aren't they going -- Pretty conservative bend in Nazi bucket types they have nothing to say now the unemployment they're -- old gal. Choose Schaub employee shall have been during the summertime there at the end of August when you should say that he deserved to be collected dead. I thought OK total total. You can. US stated that you know bet Obama promised that it would go about how long nominal amount it anecdotal. That's not what I said I said that Obama promised he would never go above 8%. Well actually. And epic battle -- 08. Yesterday -- he finally got to where he said he should have been in the first place and you wanna give him credit for failing and then finally. Getting to where he said he was never gonna get above to -- Miller at. The Internet gladly -- but I what are your credit book yeah I wanna give him credit blow up you know wrote in during the year that the Bush Administration. One point he made are good. Created. You're getting Obama Donald I could make your job and it's really appeared. -- -- -- -- you and what's so your point is little bombers really great guy. He hasn't really advanced. And my point -- And then there's talk radio it going to get Obama -- -- -- I want you to keep ducking. People -- after -- got because you'll get him -- -- -- agree she taught English learned that why not because he's appalled at the public 800 due got a bad. -- I'll -- I'll talk about law Lil bit sluggish day there as usual for a penetrating analysis. I have no idea what that person and I I thought we might be reaching for. Is a percentage of GDP gross domestic product. But he obviously did not mean I shouldn't percentages. And that's all he had in front of them and he couldn't figure out what the rest of it is I like to think that he's not an accountant. Because if -- -- -- I would suggest you should be concerned but I'll give you these quick percentages that I I was ready with. As a percentage. Of their two statistics and other fun one is spending per day. When Ronald Reagan was in office the government spent two and a half billion dollars per day. Under Clinton it was four billion. -- abortion was a little under seven billion and will Obama -- just under ten billion per day. And as a percentage of GDP of gross domestic product. Bush it was about three and a half percent that is to say the federal budget -- three and a half percent of GDP. Under Obama it's around 8%. Of GDP by whatever measure you wanna make me wanna use. Obama has spent us. To -- -- not quite to a -- the end but -- is closer to. Okay we contemplate that while we pay some bills at much smaller numbers. I'm -- us hey it's unite in the financial expert. Welcome back this is Don Nelson let's go right back to the telephone lines Jeff you're next on the program good afternoon. So. Jeff. You there. That big to -- Times -- tough the fall first day now there's. Just blow this chance now okay. Well so -- We really are up against English right now it's I guess my fault for having so much conversation with. With Dave show. And those feline hang on. Mode we do without Daewoo gets you in the in the next hour. That I do I just mentioned you know that this. This is the way the Democrats. Think -- trying to Asia Fuzzy is we couldn't couldn't comprehend that it was -- percentage of something. And it's still works is that anyone has a good clip here for a text message. Tim Geithner should fear that Dave is coming after his job. Yes indeed. All right shallow we will we'll continue on the kind of share issue we will also get to Elizabeth Warren are. 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