Councilor Tito Jackson talks to Tom And Todd about how African-American, Latino and other culture specific studies aid students.

Wow. Thomas -- are brought to my network capital funding corporation your future finance. In studio this is Tito Jackson whomever the Boston City Council at least you were you still. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Just to set the table little bit more than than Todd has that we got it's a little of a little verbal match here and I said. You don't think you can benefit from the study of African history south American -- true we study European history clearly. All history is informant of all history is instructive so we went back a little bit the fourth a little bit back and forth from that but tell -- point is okay. You come from Yugoslavia what you have the study Yugoslavian. -- and history and why don't feel like you know she was junior -- -- you bill because of the greatest leader of Yugoslavia whose name was teed it up like so hot but yeah definitely -- who have -- here you -- if you -- -- very good guys -- in history I can't tell you Todd wasn't given to -- up about it practice independently -- Yugoslavia and it but I thought -- -- a hit -- and -- and it doesn't matter -- -- -- -- so we'll -- fetuses -- sold on the underlying history of the underlying issue here is a full look -- history as Americans we -- country of immigrants. Anonymous anonymous other and -- native Americans. Came here. On our own -- so -- with a comes around sort we need to really look at how we include all of our. History in two. The history and and and actually ultimately history. Science technology engineering -- -- on all of the big topics here because and understand. The Boston Public Schools or 87%. Students of color we learn European history where we -- world history this is just a full or look at history as a whole. It's not and I'm not stop I'm putting it in the corner when I have just one class this is actually to include all of the elements but to all of. Also what is this cup as I had two cups a wanna African history switch which has been missing let's say if your curriculum must -- The pod is already full those kids have a -- nearest school. And -- try to absorb as you say European history western -- of world history however it's rotten in in -- -- -- let me get specific how am I going to be a better informed and alert as a citizen and it is an American. But a study of. Irish arena Irish Catholic history. And and week in Boston we definitely do study I I am Irish Catholic history we have given day a day off so when it comes down to it. With it it is the best way to do that study breast pocket so a day off okay there there we go now. I I think the objective here is to make sure -- a particular -- school system that is largely on students of color shot at. I've seen and I've been to the Boston compared to sinner and watched the tribe that young Irish kids feel when there at that event. What event at at at the saint Patrick's to Saint Patrick's Day commemorative right but but but. But that's an event that's not academic. So why why -- why does the school system have to be a place where people go to feel pride about their homeland because. By most people think most who we talked to thank the country is suffering from a lack of cohesiveness. That he used to be. When immigrants came over there they saw their job is assimilating in our societies fastest possible so they could learn the language. They can learn this the social mores or whatever they -- -- because they wanted to make money and have the kids be successful here and end. Now we have this situation where this this pander politics which is what what I think you're involved with here. Or or just a mistaken notion that you have to make people feel good when they go to school rather than have them learn what's going to be essential to the melee outside world so an immigrant comes over and you're gonna teach them about their homeland how does that make any sense. I understand and and and we are a nation of -- what's the truth is. We should teach everyone about what we -- about world history we also need to make sure that we understand that that the -- collar -- studied in Mali Ghana and something that the slavery didn't always -- exist there that there were great civilizations that weren't -- in these countries bit -- hope -- politics that that you speak of -- -- I'm sure pried from being affected from being successful. And what we have especially in urban schools and in Boston schools -- isn't disastrous rate of failure even if you get your degree you're going out in the world. Manifestly on prepared to deal with the world and what you're proposing is to further dilute the curricula to make sure there were there learning irrelevant things that will not contribute to an Emmy success slower. Dumb -- knowing about. But the fact and and understand many won't we won't go past science technology engineering -- there -- the these -- out there that that students of color are good at math or they're not good at science if you were to show -- that in Egypt and understand which I'm often -- -- -- -- it's called the Middle -- but it's actually part of Africa there is a a pyramid that every 100 years the -- -- at the -- Of the -- That requires -- Right if you help them to understand that there's a connection with. That place for them I think there that we were able to dispel those -- -- The idea of you know that the as the they're becoming familiar knowledgeable and prize it in and developing pride in black scholars black mathematicians astronomers others. But you know I think I think -- point Tito is. Are we as a nation from that melting pot people nervous you know nation of immigrants let's start becoming more and more and more balkanized so the Irish kids feel La I don't know -- my Irish history so pathetically informed. And the black kids say I guess I just have to know more about. You know it was a house really what you -- I think after. Formal -- those of us who would like to be somewhat -- a study on our -- those areas that we learned. European mr. right that's yeah that's on offer -- and in general why -- -- -- in European history we don't do it because the kids are from Europe and we want them to see themselves reflected in the history what are we -- because. The structures that were created in New York. The cultural foundations the legal system the languages. Migrated over from Europe. So there was that and so when you teach somebody about ancient Rome they are learning some things that. Still exists in this country in the foundations of this country that's important if it's not important don't teacher so. See you're sharing their Africa. Asia. Latin America have nothing to do with no what I'm. Saying yes he should design curriculum for success. For knowledge that is critical for these kids go on in the world we have been experimenting with -- education at least since I was a kid with -- new ideas being integrated in because they feel good and the result has been. Disaster. Public education in this country particularly in urban areas there is an absolute travesty how bad it is and I think it's because people come along with dopey new ideas so let's try this -- know make people feel good. And that just dilutes its and the purpose were more. It it is it it's it's not about feeling good it's devastated before it is about telling the truth it is about a full. A full inclusion. Of our history and I want one meaningful include hopeful they'll every kid to watch in the classroom his culture has to be talk but then Libby said citing the Chinese dynasties perhaps -- the South America the development of South America off Africa -- in the kind of mean that was crossroads of the world between Asia in the Americas right. A I guess in I think everybody can respond to and I and an -- -- responding in part to -- point. -- but and I'm still concerned with how we add it. Without what are we taking away from those those kids are -- about it then you're -- you're gonna fill the -- pop. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You'd think they would tell us. I I believe that that one would be below loading -- I think we have a lot to do and the Boston Public Schools we have a 64%. Our graduation rate. But I think to your point relative to how we have young people kind of torment. I think if they saw people and understand as I stated before the Boston Public Schools or 87% of customized -- So these young people aren't seeing them for a long time through my elementary school career I didn't see anyone in the books that actually look like me. Yeah right there's -- to that for your ability to our rise up and become a city counts I became a better president today if they taught you about some great work people were the only only only a few -- from the -- but come ons yeah he's on his way but -- I had a transition in the turning point in my high school career which was when I -- black history yup I'm really I really protectionist 'cause I -- ask about Asian island are opposite in Ireland on saint myself while I took the orchestra class that teacher who if I. Missed ever missed my homework got holding out on me but I learned about. As I said before I'm on about ancient Africa should select before slavery. That -- you know it wasn't only civil rights now banned slavery that wasn't the only African existence that. Which scholars travel to Africa. To Timbuktu Mali Ghana song -- to get their check -- prominent companies are only what greatness -- this it was I was fifty. I -- -- cheat at Jackson he's Abbas is and I counselor. He says in order to learn in the city you have to learn about the country came from or the race he came from or something like all right that's -- -- -- No it's not only the race because I think everyone should learn about all of our historic it's not only about little black and Latino and raising kids. Learning about their history it's also about white kids. -- what what is the most important now to sleep that we were to take a break we got a bunch calls were intake when we come back fund far if the best thing. For the future of kids would be to study China. And learn Chinese. I would say let's go full -- is a matter of fact off the top of my head. I think that idea is a more constructive curriculum change for the city of Boston and all your Pacific Asian. Highlander culture that you're gonna teach them let's teach them how to team speak Mandarin and take like -- China person. Todd that that is actually -- bilingual to a bilingual education I think as a with a great idea we have we have. Our school that's going to be opening on on that in that regard OK but I would love to hear your callers. Let's talk about a coming up Tito Jackson is here from Boston City Council at its summit Todd WRKO. Broadcasting live on -- fifth 2001. Stick your true. This is Boston's talk station -- succeeding W or Kerio. It's not a sideshow six ABW are you good morning to you were talking education -- Tito Jackson from the on the Boston city. Council and -- some other Boston city councilors are pushing some more identity education. I guess is that we operate in the history curriculum broadening of mr. curriculum and as I stated before actually and in the break. If we do it if we don't study Asian American history we don't know how are trains were built in our country. That we don't study African American history we -- we don't understand. How this country was built these are critical to put the foundation of our history and our and our country. All right let's take some calls for -- 6172666868. Then as a lol good morning -- event. You know on -- speakerphone. Now thanks off north. I -- respectfully disagree you're in yet they show that you'll and so our top spot well call it in the car trapped in vocational training. And I -- which you're going out into the problem rather open it because. I don't look at the high school level I think he's got a bomb bottom only expects that it the last thing many do that people about it what history. Which is really it almost irrelevance that it out there are productive in society. Later on they wanted to backdrop higher education and a lot of special that great but I think the level you're at a truly want at this level -- wouldn't wanna. Not have kids you know everybody treated equally we don't need to be emphasizing. Eight -- certain culture -- -- by prejudice thought that such a smile to your party brought slavery thing and I think that at all well. But slavery as a integral part. Of if you don't we -- history -- but it. You don't it's relevant to go on and getting jobs and if we wanted to erase and make everything equal the minority is. At this point a lot of minority there are collectively the majority so we you know I am. Ben wouldn't you say that -- -- just for basic knowledge that you have to gonna world understanding how America got to where it is today and you can't understand that without I'm -- yet again getting into slavery my job and. Almost irrelevant -- ice bowl level because you go back -- or slave or eight. Black slavery and its commodity more acute and when they went ahead and you and I look cool should be. You're probably school and make that so that it out and get a job and be productive yeah -- pull -- -- element. As citizens were supposed to be a little bit more than manufacturers of widgets in the widget factory John Adams I mean you talk about the great constitutional Austin and -- around these things. Look at the nature of our government of we don't have a base and understanding of history in civics by the way I -- how do you all these kids get not a high -- AT and they can vote I -- I -- them totally uninformed but they know how to plug that know how to plug a and to be said the blueprint fits. That's just add in every -- -- you down to what kind of -- like got an economic robot. Tenet and then it is it is important and as as he spoke to Irish need not apply in and all of the obstacles that our disposal systems have have gone through in addition I also think we're not only speaking about -- -- topic -- history we all sorts speaking about contributions across the board and -- and in the in the sciences in the social sciences on AM -- in history so I think it's and understanding it's a full. -- -- real understanding of of our country. That we need. Well if that's at the root of what the thinking is that's a lot better than saying we need to see ourselves I understand the use. Benefited from having a black history course and that's where you got turned out somebody else might get turned on by science or something at. That but when you're designing curriculum and it's got to be about curriculum that's gonna drive this kid do a better understanding of what he needs to know to be successful in the world today that. And I I don't see why dividing things up based on. Where people came from a contributes to that Patrick you're on WRK -- Tito Jackson is here -- Patrick. Good morning gentlemen -- out I would have to. I never agree with the previous call. To America I think you're injured certainly seen. -- schooled in her senior year was a college level course because it wasn't demanding an art curriculum. It was one of the REK you each a final tests -- industry in years and it has seen out college credit freeing them college. So it kind of likes. Currently playing. You know. Being the F and there is -- African history or whatever you know. Cultural learning about history and history up I love it the -- like keep hearing all that's all we need to learn apart you know. We need to learn about all this all the history not. I know you normally history buff I'm bombarded with information I can tell you right now I don't know it -- two different Vietnam conflict and you know I. Specialist in military history and so what you want to -- So really I think it's when -- Trying to push all these specs aren't changing yourself at the 64%. Situation -- you're throwing more this episode more finals morsel they got it ready for -- you'd expect that number could go -- throwing it. So good but our our understand. Serve the the be objective here is not an additional class. -- not a I changed the mix yes it it is it has that changed so I listen -- while earning less of other things so that new things can be included I wouldn't say it's markets actually telling which both because we're not telling the truth of were only telling 11 side of of this topic. -- it is is it is about include. Larry the presentation of European history as you see it as you remember do you think that's one sided that it kind of game for a short shrift. To slavery in the institutions of Europe and if it -- and the Americas. Hezbollah that it does and doesn't win and we -- we look at history as a study of a peep or man man and woman in time. If we don't tell the story. Based on that the folks and you know that a ground ball that isn't it quite yet a people's history is a great book you know and and -- and actually kind of gets it right and and again the great part about that book is there's not different books. Four different people it's one book and it include. All of -- are reacting to a story so maybe the globe got a right here's the state are from Lee McGuire spokesman for the Boston schools. We always know we can do our sorry that's our quote as the diversity in the city grows we watch our curriculum to reflect that. And then I think Felix Arroyo have one. It's important that all students in the schools can see themselves in the curriculum. If you and I that Timmy sounds like a different take on this than what you're providing to us. That sounds to me like a misguided. Agenda. That doesn't have to do with the better results it has to make me you know feel good. I don't I don't think it's about feeling good I think it's about a baseline of history. That tells the truth that is a reflection of the demographics that are in the school system but I as I stated before. That that truth is just as important. Hospital like -- as it is the market Latino as well as well was patient care I don't get it but who will rule -- Mauricio on hander good morning to you take you if you want to class -- do your best round. And -- that at them. I actually think it was a good idea and act but I would like to see it balanced and I was just wondering if you heard -- -- -- angry and I tell you this but land back. Has done a whole section on black history I believed he'd been had the ball and I'm I'm video stories successors TV shows that. It shows that Nvidia's if you can actually probably get a -- wanna if you went online to show it -- web site. And it really is amazing and he did have a lot of African American people want to when they learned the information that he gave they would just -- without how much. Can you tell us quickly what the point but my point is I was wondering if he would look at it that you look at look at what have been it was all bad use. Some are you saying to some twist or some agenda underlying the black history that we need to. -- concerned about. Well yeah I think that if you got that and that all blacks are treated horrible and they -- -- -- predicted they would just play it I think it's horrible I think you can have a whole balance of exactly what. African Americans did not the idea or terrible thing that happened was gonna balance that out you can't just. -- everybody running away saying the Latinos or -- the blacks -- screwed and it just can't do that that's just not gonna be helpful and. Yeah and and my mentality is not one of a victim in -- with. I'm with the objective here is to again -- do you look at history predates. I'm when when folks weren't there and -- this country but also on how people migrated here and not connected into this great place that we call America. Talk to Tata talked earlier about the visit -- the traditional assimilation impulse -- no matter where we came from you wanted to feed in feed ended as quickly as possible what challenging for some people who were married Steffi in English -- very very challenging obviously two people brought over again as they did it against it well. Is a subset of that the says new era of kind of a black studies so we understand our own history what happened to did what to home. When there's a subset of that that says that the language of ebonics so called is. A legitimate and necessary tool. Now what to where does that fit in with what gets -- about kind of comfort levels with people's ability to communicate and see themselves. So. That's not what I'm talking about from what one -- and act in -- That. That train of thought was something different to work. Speaking about what is the difference because my concern is a similarity that what you're what you're doing is. Ultimately undermining the ability of the kid to get what he needs to get ahead so when you. When you say oh ebonics than wake kids naturally so to speak in urban America should be protected because it's culturally some New York. York sentencing that kid into a prison of ignorance and why is emphasizing things that are essential. To. I think it would be evolving here and -- Marcy that is because that the conversation around ebonics actually wasn't about teaching ebonics actually what it what it was. About was relative to. Looking at work in a person's coming from and getting them where they need to be. If you are unable to understand them if you aren't able to under understand their culture -- you have an inability to take them to that next level. What we're dealing with here is we're dealing with a system on that does not currently include history. As it really gets what does that mean back in in in that we. -- as I stated before we understand. That we learn. Many aspects of quote unquote American history and with -- including are the influences of women. Without including influences of people of color. Arm and at critical times and in our history and we'd do not armed include those things to the detriment of sand -- RE RBC. Second there's a history remains racist and sexist. And male white male dominated. So get a twisted sense of reality as always my brother so that's a -- It it remains incomplete. And more speaking about here is completing and rounding out and adding the things that need to -- -- so we can tell the truth which is real history okay John you're on WR give good morning -- -- So that you don't you don't need you wanna teach African American student mostly Republicans freed the slaves and it was -- Democrat -- the majority of the -- case and tell all but today. Through the welfare system about it. And it sounds like good curriculum debate yeah -- -- sure it does sound like the curriculum to the toss you wanna get our Soledad and if we if we if we did warm and -- you and you missed the Whig Party ago that support vessel while he got hot. Paula that's you can kind of missed out on their way to is that little transition -- as well yeah exactly we have some issues in terms of that transition I think -- I honestly I think your your what's wrong with the Whig -- well. Wasn't Lincoln a way to. He was away yes -- talk more to which which are Collison. I think your caller actually has somewhat of a compelling -- look at things that's actually different than what actually happens when it comes to. Two the history that as well lists story that's being told our schools right now. I think you get nervous when you say want to true history because all history is alive. And you try to cobble together your baskets and are huge for -- read books about what happened six months ago and he can't believe that -- and you know. And and so -- -- -- people about what happened 200 years ago or a thousand years ago it's got to do with politics. Which history is expects a Texarkana caption that says history is well written by the winners in inevitably it carries a particular prospective. Well maybe that's what -- is talking about is is let's get some that's written by some losers 61726666. If I didn't know that about that guitar the -- -- on -- -- -- -- rubber. The -- still take more calls Regina Jackson Boston's City Council were talking education and whether. It should be filled with more stuff from the -- the homeland. -- and Todd WRKO. They have their version as priceless we're worth absolutely there. We are also news talk station AMs six AB WR Julio. And. How about midnight I didn't situation I'm I'm interviewing kids from. Urban areas. For jobs and they're not able to conduct themselves in the way toward the professional world expects people connect themselves that concerns me that they don't know how to do that. And then we can teach them the skills but I I don't think I'm weak and critique I just what's -- -- -- -- some potato yet Donna -- OW -- that's right Joseph Jackson Boston's City Council is at bats. -- know and we were just discussing in the break. It's just a conversation of around cultural competency and the -- one of the things that are brought up to tot mom was a bit ago the real issue that we live in -- world that's flatten out and we need to know and our young people need to know how to get along with people who were different than them. On because we gonna do. They don't understand us on the new shared with us this kind of pivot moment where you had Dietrich African studies a black studies and a teacher who got in your face. He missed one last -- weren't prepared at all of the -- it became a quick kind of a quick trajectory for you from that we've all had those great great teaches. And I -- I'm still waiting for mine west one of the one of the things you mountaineers are a Pacific islanders that and I'm thinking to myself as I look at the class valedictorian from Boston high schools every media. I see more Asian kids and I would see if I went to Shanghai and and it doesn't seem to me is if they need some kind of model from the history book. To come to America study the harass off let's be honest -- and thrive better than kids who work. White like me boy -- -- -- me you know with with a reasonable opportunity that they run right by. -- to support your point I want to Wikipedia right -- to find out what the Pacific islands are. There are a lot of the bill Burris the marshals. Point eight a 30000. After bloodless and learn their culture though so I'm just curious about can we -- we other students have deceived themselves in the history let's. This is this is that that the underlying piece here and and I -- stated before that and actually we know we have our RB PS. From Boston public school English language learner via the hearing last night it was really interesting. ST this five levels of comprehension for four PLO -- when they get to level foreign cars and the -- lot of Leo well. Those students who are actually more successful than any other category -- Boston Public Schools school students. I totally agree with you -- relative to that but the understanding. Of cultural competency is actually the understanding. Of the students who were born here. -- and how to connect and deal with are those both young people is is going to be very important in that and I was just as hosting before. It is so important in a day and age when we're going to be doing business. Internationally -- world yes and we -- young people -- 900 million friends on FaceBook and I'm gonna have to connect with people around the world for people to have a historical perspective historical context and understand the contributions that folks have made across the board so it's not only for the most -- individual students but it's for also administer -- no. A great challenge of the flat world is that the competition is tougher than ever consider big. We we are in crisis in this country because urban kids in particular. Are not getting educated and so that's why I'm I'm concerned I've got a ton of respect for you on the way you handle yourself and your ideas but I'm concerned. That did this kind of pop culture thinking about how to do education which is what it feels like to make and how to make people feel good and let them see themselves reflected in everything. I would have them learn about the most obscure stupid thing in the world if I thought it was what what was gonna make them successful. As adults in this country. What what this -- not about obscurity it's about. And again that foundation and an actual full foundation of what really happened vessel that's what we're talking about here I had to wait -- colleagues to take a class and world history that actually included women. Right it was taught. Just through the eyes of women and and that was to meet a very a very transform and if peace here. Or speaking about is again that foundation of truth that will get us to to that next level across all subjects them in the Boston Public Schools in and of young people or born to be able. To deal with one another. On to understand the contributions. On to understand the obstacles that we all went through an -- and unlike your caller -- -- -- I'm not about victim. The status as victim status or victim this route with all into some stuff. Army we we've all had to had to overcome adversity and obstacles if I can understand Europe adversity and obstacles that you -- been through Todd. Then that means that I can bet that you can better connect with me and I can better connect with -- What happened while oracle and folksy color of the hot hot hot hot and this Eiffel -- ha -- 617 I -- Clark -- pulled well back out on everybody call back are all right -- off the ball back 6172666860. 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You can come here in new radio when he gets when he finds wanted to elect -- -- -- is said that's a nutritional. Content that's what you gotta do politics -- calls for -- You good morning. Gentlemen great topic. I and it teaches enrichment court's decision in not in history is just my take on it. Well my trip as a middle school. My experiences that the kids don't have. A basic understanding macro understating especially American history. You know that they don't have that. But I the eighth grade. They have no basis -- have no -- To understand. In the culture if you get and I think. Quote is a great but. Do you see in the city. What do you teach in the city. Now are in the -- -- will not sure saying the foundation for learning anything else is American history and that it -- and that they're not learning that by eighth -- Absolutely I mean -- do you know our our school this is pretty good. -- -- cat who is a pretty good but in general. You know it's like trying to teach I. I think maybe the course a cultural courses diversity courses whatever. You wanna call it a great but it's like trying to teach calculus. Before the kids understand. How to how to own and and -- and balls. My senate by the -- and yeah I've I have no friends -- you'd make the African studies the Irish studies Asian whatever studies. I can elect gives half the obligation to secure. Got in. The -- -- day Bradley Center. One question I have for you and I are actually the thank you for being a teacher and dedicating your life to to the betterment of our young people but my question is. Do you have a culturally competent. American history curriculum. Do they do they include. -- it is that it expansive. Toward your majority have. Yet in in in the sense that we cover. Every -- you know American history that you now the slavery question the immigration issue. You know which -- don't understand how our government these they have a sense that they really don't you know I estimate. Ask them questions. You know -- as the others but still get through congress. You know they you know they really don't know. It is not blow too young and I know I'll do my dog gets through in the Pacific Asian -- -- data. You know is about a -- A hot hot. The. We could we could spend hours on this topic it's a great topic and keep them with a cause but for example the Missouri compromise to black kids would -- not be kind of it might not be in the Immersion and African studies. But the tension in the country about the Missouri compromise if and the great debates between Webster and clay and cal home doesn't that give you the window we this country was -- -- -- items about slavery got a long long time a conflict over. Yeah yeah Barbara good morning you're on a Tito Jackson high barber. I think have to you know added I really. I think it's wonderful repeat history indicates are -- is not just like be indicated urged you know what what.