Avi Nelson - Obamas Stance On Gay Marriage

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And what happened in the days before nine more and more than 911 system even existed. Okay. Until the the first question will deal with today has to do with the question of same sex marriage. And the change position. By the president and that was something we'll say it was motivated this curious timing because -- right after. North Carolina -- -- had voted against. Same sex marriage. By admiral substantial 61 to 39%. That Obama came out with -- and Biden of course had trumped him by coming out before now Biden according to reports. Has apologized. To Obama for making your mark you know on this program we try to develop musical themes slipped. That characterized the individuals and capture the spirit well we have won four for Joseph Biden and this comes from a Gershwin musical. I think it was written around 1930. It's called girl crazy music by George Gershwin and -- -- by Ira Gershwin and I don't have the original which I think was actually done very slow but -- here's a version of Nat King Cole so. This is for you move vice president Joseph Biden on my. Cause that is. Kind of guy. You walk out of -- broke the. Because I -- in the original version was actually done slower than that but every time you know Biden just passed away. There's Biden time and then this particular case Biden time was she managed to put his foot in his mouth with regard to. The whole gay marriage or homosexual marriage issue. And whether that forced Obama to make a comment about or not I don't know. And any event Obama has come out and said that. That now he supports it and his pastor by the way the lunches and Jeremiah Wright this is troll hunter who is the their current spiritual advisor. -- sure he's disappointed in president's decision to endorse same sex marriage. Here's why. Obama said. On the go and make his decision on on ABC news. What I think about those soldiers or airmen Marines or sailors who were out there fighting on my behalf. And -- feel constrained. Even now they Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone because they're not able to commit themselves in the marriage at a certain point. I just concluded that for me personally. It is important for me to go ahead and -- that I think same sex couples should be able to get married and quote. Politician. And a friend of mine picked up by nations said. Marines are -- assure us they're fighting on my behalf premium on your back enough. Running on behalf of the country not tell you you candy interpret this personally I mean after all do you feel that the soldiers are out there fighting. For us for you personally I mean. For for you need for our children is their personal aspect to it. And there is so it can be interpreted that way as opposed to a self centered yeah for me no no -- -- the country. The poem is that Obama -- show frequently in the first person. That there's that tendency. Not to give them the break here and to think this whole thing was personalized -- this whole statement which in the first person. Chili -- gone ahead and made issued this decision I. Well said reverend Joel Hunter. We don't know where. Reverend Jeremiah Wright where Jerry Wright issue on this. Hasn't said it will be an interesting. Political. Fallout from this comment because while the majority of people and hold. -- in favor of same sex marriage. You're over thirty states and these 32 states -- to put to a vote it has been voted down or ban on same sex marriage has been upheld. And it does not play well in the black and Hispanic communities. Not that they're gonna vote against Obama but there might be. A diminution of enthusiasm. Shell it's interesting now the other part of this cherish. That this is clearly you're changing position for Obama. When Romney does it it's flip flopping were an Obama doesn't easier -- thing. In some cases. It's more than a ball appears. The comment this is the reaction that was generated -- be -- My guess is Robert Roberts who's actually making the comment here Rick George Stephanopoulos was there he was talking -- -- that and here's how here's how they responded. And Robin what a watershed moment whatever people think about this issue we know it's controversial. There's no denying that when president speaks out for the first time that it is history and let me tell you George I'm gonna show us again because when you're sitting in the room when you hear him say those historic words. It was not lost on anyone that was send. The room like that. That's -- historic moments watershed. She holds. -- -- Chris Matthews got a tingle up his legs may have -- care. Child anyway the this has become an issue but it is an issue in May where there will be an issue in. In November. He is another matter we'll get to the question about the bullying with. That long article in in the Washington Post accusing Romney of that and bullying. In high school get to that a little later again the issue playing in -- and instead of November or October. You're just joining us good afternoon in the -- Nelson not phone numbers 877469432. To the text message -- He is 68680. And email address they Nelson and wrko.com. Okay let's go to the telephone line -- rush good afternoon nearly icebreaker thank you for calling him. They have good afternoon everything you know proposal very interesting and you have to analyze the band and try to work in the inside of Barack Obama. First of all all dictators. In the -- Believe that the military service slot them. Well sure -- -- kings kings and dictators have standing crimson just threw them right. The 8888. Exactly okay now Barack Obama are it's such a wannabe dictator okay. If does that data does slip of the tongue. Because of the fact that he wants to be a wannabe dictator whether it he had you don't sort of not -- acknowledges I'm not. Data is where it's coming. So you didn't -- you know Cooper Union accepted that he was sort of personalizing. It. The ill -- your neighbor had made that comment and said you know I think about the soldiers fighting on my behalf on behalf of my children. You're rich updated just that way but you don't accept it that way with -- Obama right. Only us you know I did game in -- on your side for a moment when you're the president of the United States. Even if you aren't thinking in the first person. It's appropriate. To speak in broader terms on behalf of the country. Especially when it's an important issue and you are making a change you really would have sounded better. If you shed on -- our behalf or on behalf of the country. -- so will be you know are -- truthfully it is something that I judge people -- it. It's already they used the word I instead of the word the week okay. And that's a big talent thing about most people when you're trying to evaluate. That is that is that is a big big talent side as far as I'm concerned. And without the Americans nervous person. Put some salt and -- ways Latin an envoy for the freedom of the family themselves. And his country -- -- have a further president of the United States. A dictator. -- king. All whatever are in truthfully at the -- that's -- that's -- personal insult to me. And every other one of us that have served in the military. Litigious stay here and again on your shine amid Raj look at how he handled the whole thing with the killing of bin Laden. Right it was all first person stuff. No credit given to predecessors. Very little very little talk about the in the plural rather it was all how how much he had done so this kind of thing. It'd it'd it'd unbelievable loudly and know what I want from the people -- defend the president. I just wonder then say to myself don't -- the end of this at all are they that's why until it. Good question you know I guess until like a guy. You're willing to let this go -- and you interpreted the way I did -- the other side which is all. He's just speaking personally because I'm always thinking about it personally. If you don't like the guy -- but but little bomb it really is over the -- I mean gosh he's president of the United States. He can be a little magnanimous once in awhile right. He is telling. But -- the plane as it was how much simulate blood get by an out later this from someone that listens to a lot of radio. You know we conservatives. Palm won't come out against a conservative leader when they're not doing what we want them to do. But my god on the other side. -- very seldom come out against. What the person that you know in generals on the -- Who does a lot of things let it not for the benefit of all of us. We gotta love Joseph Stalin all the time right no matter lashed. You know Bobbie Jo-Jo. Such a bowl okay. In -- in Atlanta I wanna see the president that's that it is my that I want it's much I -- -- the president debated defeated in November out. My god I don't want anything happening am. Because I can't imagine the United States. What bad wolf both the part of it I feel I just can't imagine I can't think of a march -- but for a certain sort of come out of the United States congress let him. Russell -- give him going and that's a different jolly went by Jones rush that I had said Joseph Stalin not Joseph Biden that. But I never disappointed that we got a text message. This show from six illustrate the fact that Obama put Biden no heartbeat away from the presidency. Should be all the reason anyone needs to not give them a second term. You know I think I find out if I was shaking that earlier to a so much criticism about Sarah Palin. And now she was unqualified to be president. But can you imagine if Joseph Biden became president. You're IE -- ensure broke the the world would be in conflict just over his misstatements at. And then his his prominent foot and mouth disease. Well you just joining us our money Nelson were talking about the gay marriage question. And like your phone -- got to go to break commercial responsibilities back on the other side 877. 4694322. Is the toll free phone number. One man. This is Don Nelson and number 8774694322. Well technology is challenging us open -- May not really get emails working today. However the phone number is and so we help you might just say we started wearing a discussion about. Mitt Romney. Barack Obama and things. Maybe change your hard on the part of the president in terms of the same sex marriage. Purses and ancient story and -- will get to those as well. Back to the telephone lines down this year or next on the program good afternoon. I the good out there and I I think I kind of interest interest weather moved to calm topics should be linked because. What I found peculiar on the timing it -- work that. The announcement in support of the gay marriage was. So close the followed so closely on the heels spivey -- rob need seen gay bashing allegations. And I wonder if there wasn't some coordination there on the part of -- They -- tip of the president's campaign. I don't know made a -- you know amateur there's a net plus for the president. And you know I -- obviously it's gonna play well with his base right but I'm not sure that Obama needed support -- his base you know it's. Well I don't think any of us are. Our. It is you know encouraged by the -- migration of anybody and I you know anything compared on the other side is. Seems to like. Valid thing to do with some of these folks. I I just don't I don't understand quite frankly I don't understand he's -- Obama's timing on this. I'm not even sure I understand these. His statement position on the issue that may be you're trying to connected somehow with something going on with Romney and I'm. He will let me let me tell him divert from mattress second into effect in them in the interest of peacemaking and and -- at least in the vast majority -- middle. I was thinking that you know the whole. Gay marriage controversy could be solved if they'd just. Changed the I think actually the name of same sex unions that something other than marriage. I you don't -- all right. Guess you're right -- the word marriage here is wide. Bothers people a lot there are a lot of -- people who are willing to say OK let me run you shake in this position also. That -- you can work out something which has to do visitation in the hospital all -- but that duress but somehow. The word it's a vocabulary problem in the word marriage really bothers people. When news extended to something other than the traditional. Man and woman. Right and that's the end if you gave the name and everybody. Our comment saying they -- well that's not that's not been recognition on our rights but you gave them all the rights -- you know but didn't give them names and that would truly draw the line under these extremists or. Well I'm -- -- -- I would be Jewish did do well I don't know pirate interviewing Obama I don't think you would come on the program it. If I were I would ask him he was talked about now people love each other and you know he's getting all touchy feeling insensitive about it and -- guard -- I would ask him. Mr. President -- three people love one another. In other words already introduced polygamy of this is just a matter of the personal preference the feelings of the people are involved. Then is it okay if three or four people wanna get married. And I'd be interested to hear whether the president is just as sensitive to other people's feelings as he is what this and I suspect. He would not -- -- and I give him all the it's. You know and that's required to couple foundational requirements of foundational thing their. Are. They've probing into incest was that -- protect birth defects. Were produced from -- union. Com and you know it's so bad I was wondering that -- There is no possibility of offspring arising from day that same sex couple could a mother and father with -- Divorce marry the mother married her daughter in the father married her son and perhaps -- their State's tax free in the next generation. I would suggest only this -- that when you run for office do not make that plank in your plus. They don't let them know but I think they I think that might make. The president run away from its support for gay marriage if somebody were able to. Don't say that an incestuous gay relationship. Was there a valid expression. Dennis thank you for calling. 8774694322. The issue what happened from start going down these tracks. Where all of a sudden you know who we're we're saying. Q what about this possibly do about that possibility in some of them are really off putting in the sense that they fly in the face of everything. That we have held dear me in the word that comes to mind is taboo some of these things are real. Taboos and if you're just going to say okay adult should be able to do what they want. So nice position to hold and it's philosophically consistent that. -- can be -- 8774694322. Is the phone number text message code C 28680. About to read a couple of text messages but they have. Disappeared in the spring. Technology gremlins are challenging us today. Anyway barrel society through the per use text message you will get back to and still go back to the telephone lines. Stephanie your next on the program good afternoon. I just I find it extremely -- step -- Mitt Romney is at the end -- accountable something he did that. And the minor. Hand at the same time you know -- Soledad -- adults doing how -- who wrote about it. Well -- -- about and -- he won about doing it in high school. You're allowed -- you -- think I'm never talked about and how any. Epilepsy so let's of the -- because there's a ton of people out there who have a -- -- could have an opportunity changed daylight around. And they got rid of the military labor. -- -- There are too many yeah aren't any people you know don't have an opportunity to build a third but he wants to know about Davis gave attic and you get placed -- who happens. Database -- anyway and you move very quickly from the bullying question to. The -- the same sex marriage question let's. My girlfriend and can't entered him in general I need this so distant in Iraq has backed a ratio alone makes me to tear it out. Did you I take it you're not gonna vote for him in November to. I haven't I could never even bring myself to do it and you know in no way. Did you and did you vote for last night. Oh I know. I'm still really don't just -- he she would you had a change of heart like he did about no let -- Who am I changed my mind about a little bet at that I I have to say that Michelle Obama don't I thought well how lot clap it and I never thought. Let's go back to the boy you see -- I think your first point word -- in addition there's a Washington Post article now technically it's not coming from Obama should not coming from the White House. Follow some of us which technical way to go out there shows so -- would suspect they have some awfully close ties. This was a very long article in the Washington Post and I confess they. Not read the whole thing. But quite frankly. I'm really don't think it's appropriate to bring up stuff like this fortunately did in high school. -- Olympic idea have to -- -- murder or something but that's Romney correctly pointed he should feel we've done a lot of things in high school that. We're kind of a shame done now room where there's a reason why they're cute kids right is a reason why. You don't get to vote you don't get this to drive and you don't have majority status -- you get to a certain age. And it's because some of the things you do in high school downright -- -- adolescent and and. They I have issues with Mitt Romney's ability to a graphically different and -- to me it seemed like he go on the offense it's like he doesn't know how to defend him out. I don't know I kind of fraud the only good that then Mitt Romney could have participated. In something like there was sound like you're shocked you know. He seemed so strait relations did he would never done something like that even as a kid. So I I. I don't think you -- Yeah ever -- presented himself as infallible but the -- plans now and yet I remember a few years back he saved some guy in a boating accident up very well wait wait till lap I thought they. Again and play on fast. Well it's true. OK stone thank you thanks for calling. 877469432. To let me emphasize again that this this whole business of dredging up something. From high school days he's just really in the cheap shot category and a pleasure of the site to what is and isn't there something in the you know Obama's book. From that he showed some girl or something when they heard they were teasing him about. That this other it is black girl was his girlfriend he should go she's not a name he pushed her horror of horrors like coma. And this is silly arguments I will say this that that Washington Post has done run me a little bit of favor. In that they've brought it up now. And this story is going to die because I think most people of the reaction and there were talking about here that we -- can't happen dash -- Oakmont. And enjoy and we don't even know where there actually happened the family of that in the person who was presumably the victim who since deceased died at. Which several years ago from cancer. They should it's inaccurate they're not gonna comment in comment on any more. But the story. You know if you were months away -- financial and aware of the Washington Post who finished doing Romney some service share. -- expected to people who really wanna go -- -- gonna bring up stuff like this in mid October and make it sound like he's a real. Back on the other side of a break -- on the Nelson's. Welcome back this is Donnie Nelson -- number 87746943. To do -- text message coach X 8680. Speaking of text message -- you're a couple. From 617. A true leader says -- We -- taking credit and high when taking blame. Not that Obama has ever -- latter. And from six shows -- this contribution. You anti Obama hypocrites really know how I don't twist the facts if you only knew how silly you are. Well six of those three what fraction have liar or the callers twisted. -- think we've been no playing it straight interpretation of the -- different matter but I don't know of any facts that we twisted. We just to us to do that you must be thinking about Elizabeth Warren. We'll get to her -- -- -- 774694322. Dave your next on the program good afternoon. While Robbie I think 603. Probably found out the code at the -- distilling it felt all right wing talk radio and you know 6066. So create a hit it. They've been mailed out. Well now what facts would -- I mean it is. -- the new guy. Always speaker to take the same thing about Obama you'll Obama best place while the Dayton -- that's. -- -- twist well you talk about it says we about the but the so when I I I look at eleven in the. And I don't think that's an interpretation of what I've read the quote. I read the. My -- it's a matter of we but Obama is always giving the troops credit I mean he's got. He's got ready and if cracked carry have you know so you know we don't we don't wanna talk published when he an impasse. I'll see you back with George this is the us. Or do you check in George Bush the first George Bush. But yes Ali you're happy they have other weapons but hopped up so I called want to talk about the main point. Now do you think is that Mitt Romney hit a bad person. Okay -- do you think Obama should be held responsible for the past administrations. -- Not for the past for the administration he's preparing his administration's did. Right so what ever happened in the past administration. Cannot trickle that this -- the ministry. I'm having trouble seeing how this relates to a broadening not being a bad person. All well because you always say that Obama is blaming it -- Blain -- but it didn't. Inherited think. Think I I think you know I -- -- the other day she had issued -- -- plays. Mitt Romney being blamed for the death of the women in the big gig because he was the governor at the time. I might -- -- -- -- my data coming -- halftime yeah yeah it's you. According well if you're lucky kid you know that. Well Mitt Romney should take full responsibility for for everything that happened during his demands. You know something I don't hold Obama accountable. For other accidents and it happened on construction site since he's been president you've never heard me say. That's when the bridge collapsed I was in Minnesota that it's Obama's fault. Right this is. This is I know the more -- I -- -- Lived -- RB yeah it is obviously silly but. I -- give it back Citi individual that I NBA you know I'll probably be up all the Obama analysis trade him. To talk about that -- you write it. You're still alive -- -- -- by -- -- you may have heard in the news that David Ortiz was in an automobile and and it was his fault. You know why I do not blame Obama for the. But web shots you know who you mentioned something about thirty states and rejected the equal right marriage. Well same sex I and I do think this is in February yeah. Bobby according geologic. Again. This Civil Rights Act in a -- right that would -- -- -- into what I had gone to the public for a vote do it it would have never -- The days. -- I was making a point about the politics of it I was simply saying that in 32 states. The people are voted against it and therefore they may be political implications. To Obama has she has she done now in terms of reversing his position. Do you think that this Civil Rights Act in a vote yet should have built this -- should've gone to the people. -- -- This. -- of people Bobby looked at Dave we talked about individual states is no surprise that we're talking about. Favourite hobby this new incentive several right should've gone to people who smoked. There are certain rights that I do not think should be held for. Popular vote. Right but I did -- that question do you think this civil right. And civil rights and Civil Rights Act it was a federal piece of legislation right we did get there. Indian unless you read in the states. Yeah most of it. I don't -- because there are some aspects of civil rights human looking implications of civil rights now aren't stuff like affirmative action which -- -- just. If if if they hit the hopefully I'll be. I know that most of the apologize cave men who took exactly -- growing area I. -- back to back. Leo you but you beat the -- the -- and -- -- -- and it yeah I don't miss. Your blood we do all we know your life. You could come then they need to come into the future that if you just lets you -- -- on the I'm OK okay you do say doorway hoping Coca country can understand them both look. Multicultural country and understand -- they say they know they don't know that he is multi cultural well no it didn't work cannot be. I love Pablo want to fight he had with you in the college got back if it bit -- back and it -- the way to think she used to be no real and. Thank you all are and you are in the future David okay I -- thank you for calling I said then you -- the future. So it's always nice for the people get a chance to confront the future we have met the future. And he is us right. -- 774694322. Is the phone number don't usually adventure. But it is interesting to hear people on the other Charlotte. Right because -- you'd usually the the failure of their position of weakness of -- there. Who's gonna see the logic but it really isn't week logic it's ill logic it's -- logical. Comes forward and that that makes it worthwhile because it tends to bolster. Belief lone position. Okay or should do it to take a break. We do to take a break okay little low a number of commercials like this it's good -- means sun that the bills -- being -- But we do have a number of commercials during the shower and I think the next hour -- should bear with us on that and will be back on the other side with more of the program. -- -- -- -- Don Nelson phone numbers told me. 87746943. A message code. Challenging a little bit today that the technology. Is 68680. And today we don't have the mail connections so no point in giving me address so I swear you can send emails and another time they do get through. It Nelson WR KL dot com. And -- a couple of people who were concerned about the reference in the hole. They are called to him the mission accomplished banner that appeared on the blue ship when. George Bush went there early on after the initial success in the Iraq War couple things first of all that I wasn't referenced in the phone call secondly. That battle was not put up by the president nor did he ever say mission accomplished. The matter was put up by the people on the ship. And it was their statement of -- bush so what has happened not a presidential statement. That has come down through the through the years as being a little bit distorted and it's probably good to to straighten that out. I do also wanted to get to the importance of the issue you -- the -- started earlier but by reading that quote. That Obama had put everything in the first person. In terms of his decision about linking the gay marriage to what I think about those soldiers or airmen or Marines are Schiller is. Fortunately not corruption and who are out there fighting on my behalf and his feel constrained English onto it hide just concluded that. For me personally is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think. Same sex couple should be able to get -- Our -- junior the president the United States you can do in the first person. But isn't rushing to raise the issue even for those of us sure libertarians -- the very diversion philosophy. From what Barack Obama stands for who should the government be telling people whom they can marry. Setting aside our promotional preferences here. Filling decide whether we liked the idea of seeing two guys kissing in public or what she. You know -- to women getting married on television and then machines have been repeated over and over again since this issue all of a sudden got thrust into the forefront. Should be up to the government or should that be something which is really up to individuals whether or not you and I approve of their behavior. Mean if we are going to take a position and say. That they should be freed -- an adult should be able to make decisions even decisions that we don't agree -- Right there and not everybody would say you should ride motorcycles or go skydiving or bungee jumping or or for that matter scheme because it's risky. And there are some people who say we'll get to this in the next hour that you really shouldn't have as many cupcakes. But should does translate. Into our abrogating our political power. And having the government come and say not only -- through some people here -- not agree with your origination but we're gonna prevention from doing it. There really shouldn't be a matter of personal preference even with the present in the United States I'm not surprised that Obama doesn't get that. Because Obama is a big believer in big government. But for the rest of us it's really challenging. Mean if you're going to Shea than adults ought to be able to make the determination. And we -- need -- bye your leave from the -- function John Kerry's. Of the world horror anybody else to even take the Republican side or -- or inaction in the world. If we believe that adults ought to be able to function that way then that's. That's the decision. But notice would that bleached of at least to not only homosexual marriage same sex marriage but. Well polygamy actually be able wanna get married and for that matter. Incensed as well I -- sure adults. And people can make that determination is really lead to unpleasant and uncomfortable. Conclusion. And so we could challenge -- basic idea is. Sometimes even in the real world OK you can tell from the music we're going onstage what is happening in this real world and I'll be back on the other side. This is nothing else.